A travel companion

[GatoMessi]

I do not know where to start in this forum.   First, let me introduce myself.   I am 50 years old from United Kingdom.  Never married, do not have any children and live alone.  I am not Brad Pitt nor Radek Stepanek :-D

Anyway, I am not looking for a serious relationships, certainly not with any FSU women, but also am not looking for any sexual relationships.  I just want to have a travel companion to have a company.   I have joined a site called "Travel Girls" where you can find a travel companion.  Unfortunately, about 80% of the women are from FSU mostly from Ukraine or Russia.  The rest of the women are made up of Africans, Europeans and South Americans.   There are, of course, potential scammers in the site, like everywhere  (probably also male scammers as well).   I can weed off any scammers easily to focus on genuine women.

To get to the point of this topic, to focus on these 80% women  (because this site is all about Russian women).    Most of these FSU women want to have luxury travel rather than having free vacation.  One Russian woman was really rude to me  After exchanging 2 messages, she demanded me to offer her business class flight and 5 star hotels to go to Dominican Republic. Is that normal from any FSU women?     When I replied to her that I would be happy to offer a travel companion to fly economically and 3-4 star hotels, she called me many bad names  "so ugly, little and poor dick"  !!!

Any genuine women will be happy for a free holiday to any tropic islands, never mind about business class flight and 5 star hotels !    I've never flew in business or first class flights nor stay at any 5 star hotels in my life, let alone offering her after knowing 2 messages!     

Many of other women want to go on holiday "next week" when I haven't had a plan yet, and I don't even know them at all.  Again, is this a normal behaviour from any FSU women? 

One woman asked when will I have a vacation.  I told her that I am having a short break this August and a big vacation in October, she replied that she will speak to me when the time comes  (eg in August). Is this a normal behaviour from any FSU ladies not interested in knowing me a bit beforehand?

[msmob]

It's 'normal behavoiour' for a woman wanting to fleece you and only interested when you have a plan - don't do it

I have a friend - now in his 70's who was single and not in a relationship ..

He went Flotilla sailing  - you have no idea who the crew members will be ( or sexual mix) and he married the widow he met on that trip a year later ..

They have been together 31 years

He's English, she's Scottish and they retired to France

Good luck

[Trenchcoat]

I do not know where to start in this forum.   First, let me introduce myself.   I am 50 years old from United Kingdom.  Never married, do not have any children and live alone.  I am not Brad Pitt nor Radek Stepanek :-D

Anyway, I am not looking for a serious relationships, certainly not with any FSU women, but also am not looking for any sexual relationships.  I just want to have a travel companion to have a company.   I have joined a site called "Travel Girls" where you can find a travel companion.  Unfortunately, about 80% of the women are from FSU mostly from Ukraine or Russia.  The rest of the women are made up of Africans, Europeans and South Americans.   There are, of course, potential scammers in the site, like everywhere  (probably also male scammers as well).   I can weed off any scammers easily to focus on genuine women.

To get to the point of this topic, to focus on these 80% women  (because this site is all about Russian women).    Most of these FSU women want to have luxury travel rather than having free vacation.  One Russian woman was really rude to me  After exchanging 2 messages, she demanded me to offer her business class flight and 5 star hotels to go to Dominican Republic. Is that normal from any FSU women?     When I replied to her that I would be happy to offer a travel companion to fly economically and 3-4 star hotels, she called me many bad names  "so ugly, little and poor dick"  !!!

Any genuine women will be happy for a free holiday to any tropic islands, never mind about business class flight and 5 star hotels !    I've never flew in business or first class flights nor stay at any 5 star hotels in my life, let alone offering her after knowing 2 messages!     

Many of other women want to go on holiday "next week" when I haven't had a plan yet, and I don't even know them at all.  Again, is this a normal behaviour from any FSU women? 

One woman asked when will I have a vacation.  I told her that I am having a short break this August and a big vacation in October, she replied that she will speak to me when the time comes  (eg in August). Is this a normal behaviour from any FSU ladies not interested in knowing me a bit beforehand?

Messi, that's very bad behaviour from a FSU, DON'T take any of that or they will run all over you, they will have no respect for you when you hook up and will treat you worse and worse, so much so that you will probably wish you went wherever as a single guy.

Like you I am a single guy from the UK, no children and live alone but in my early forties. I found little joy out of dating or attempting to date in the UK through online dating sites like Match, speed dating, etc.

I first started of dating FSW on Elena's Models, some scammers on there as they use feeder agencies but on the whole better than the site you have been on. A lot of the more genuine FSW are far more reasonable and will be happy if you paid for train travel, which is fairly cheap in Ukraine, taxi's (cheap in Ukraine through Uber, Uklon, etc) and everday dating cost of standard restaurants, entry into tourist sites, etc. This is largely because many Ukrainian & Russain women get low pay unless they are in particualar professional jobs in finance, etc, as they can earn a lot less then most men out there and of course its the way of dating out there that the man pays for the date to restaurants, but not for clothes shopping, etc.

Anyway, the girl I met of Elena's models was a tall, blond in her late twenties, I met her in Kiev (I paid for her train in and a separte hotel room at the same hotel as me) and she showed me around the city for the week, doing some of the stuff she like and some of the stuff I liked in terms of attractions to visit. They were all cheap attrations, not deliberately chosen so but because they were largely your everday tourist attractions, visiting the famous Cathedrals, Theatre, Orchestra, Opera (not really my thing but Kiev is famous for it) Jazz Club, Open Air Museum, etc, etc. She was fairly attractive looking and very hospitable and nice to be with, she tranlated a lot of what was going on in the Opera, etc and basically tourguided me around the city. When I met her in the mornings she was always cherpy and smily and through most of each day also. There was however no chemistry there, just a liking of each other I think, she wanted to meet up for a second holiday in Turkey (at my expense of course as she earned too little) I did not see the point as I wanted a partner, for you however such a girl I think would be ideal.

I think the best way forward on this is to just get on more reputable FSU dating sites, do yourself a nice profile, smiling, smart looking with a small write up and choose from the girls on there. It may take you a good few weeks or months for a good one to come up that you have some natural traction with in terms of wanting to message each other forward and back but you'll probably find someone. I wouldn't put that you just want a travel companion just leave it open, say you wnat someone to be with, hobbies, etc, etc. On meeting a lot of the time there isn't natural chemistry for most people since it is such a random thing. In which case a lot of the girls will happily show you around the city as a friend and a lot will be open to further holidays abroad after that as they are generally more open and friendly to guys in general than Western Women and they often lack the means to do so themself plus they are also single, presumably. A lot of FSW will see it as their responsibility to show you around and make sure you are ok and not leave you in a strange city by yourself whatever else they may be looking for. Of course you do occasionally get girls that are no show, or depart shortly after meeting but most girls that you have spent a few weeks messaging, skype and any advance basic costs (never send them money for this btw always pay for train tickets etc over the internet which you can do for Ukraine, etc and email them to her) will show up and spend time with you. I would however if I was you keep it down to time spent with girl to no more than a few days, say four days for the first time you see her, if the two of you don't get on you don't want to feel compelled to being stuck with each other a week or more.

That I think should be the best way to fullfill what you want. No doubt many FSW approach it as they just looking for a travel companion and 'who knows they 'might' end up in a relationship (but know its not really why they are doing it they just really want a travel companion)' so you might as well do the same. 'Fdating' is also a good, and free! online dating site to use to find such a woman.     

[msmob]

Public Health Warning

Ignore any 'advice' from Trench ..   

1/ He's a failure with dating in the UK and the former Soviet Union - blaming the fairer sex

2/ Doesn't understand women - in general

3/ He might as well have used travel companion sites - at least he wouldn't be expecting the lass to put out

[krimster2]

your fellow countryman “Charley Darwin” said it best and succinctly
“organisms tend to speciate”

your travel companion agency is a species of escort agency
and the girls are a type of escort...

you need to frame it that way, that the agency is the girl’s pimp
and that it’s NOT facebook....

if you engage with them
you will be dealing with sharks every step of the way
who KNOW EXACTLY what they are doing
while you will have NO CLUE, until it’s too late

so what’s a bruv in the UK to do?

first, I’d make a conscious decision about what it is you’re looking for...
since, I don’t know that, let me tell you of JUST ONE of many possibilities for you in Ukraine

single mom in her 20s
if you can handle the stress of raising children, this might be an option for you
I have MANY, MANY Russian and Ukrainian contacts on VK who are single mothers in their 20s, ALL of these women would jump on a 50 years old guy in the UK if he was an upper middle class professional, owned his own home, etc, and ESPECIALLY if he didn’t have his own children. 

me bruv, you COULD get a super model looking wife, IF YOU WANTED TO, as long as you are able to handle the task of helping her to raise her child

and this is just ONE of MANY options you have in Ukraine

the journey of 1,000 miles begins
with the first small step

learn to speak some Russian

part dva

please understand that every agency is just a variation of a device to separate you from some of your money, this is its first principle of operation...

it’s second principle is to convince you that it is giving you something for your money

and it’s third principle is that once it starts getting money from you you maximize the amount it can get

these are the basic rules of the “machine”

instead...
if you learned Russian, made a web site about your favorite hobby in Russian\English complete with glossy photos of your handsome self and promoted this on VK, you’d have a thousand female contacts after a year....

sort the 1000 contacts by whatever index you want...
then choose the top ones to visit

with this approach:

you know they’re real, you chat with them on Viber
you only pursue the ones you match with
this could be appearance, intelligence, ability to get along, etc
women that you make some kind of connection with
who you like, and you feel like they like you
and they have nothing at all to gain materially from the contact

because it takes a real active effort to achieve this
it means hardly anyone will ever do this...

because I can tell you
if I were single right now
one the top 10 women on my VK\Viber contacts would be my girlfriend
most are in their 20s, two are early 30s
all single, most never married, University educated, 2 are engineers
on a scale of 1 to 10?
solid 9s....
word....

[Trenchcoat]

Public Health Warning

Ignore any 'advice' from Trench ..   

1/ He's a failure with dating in the UK and the former Soviet Union - blaming the fairer sex

2/ Doesn't understand women - in general

3/ He might as well have used travel companion sites - at least he wouldn't be expecting the lass to put out

Mobe, must you take every post I make as an opportunity to knock me?

There is nothing wrong in what I told Messi, it was just my experiences I was imparting that seemed relevant to his situation.

Messi is not asking about dating but instead about traveling companions, there is an articulate difference here Mobe that you seem to have missed. Hence the experience of the first girl I met in Ukraine fits very much into the travelling companion category and that is what Messi is after. She would have been just the type of girl (travelling companion) he is looking for I think.

Some people can't be had with relationships with all the ins & outs, they just want to go off and enjoy their time with someone, share the experience and make friends they can keep in contact with.

As I have said in here before, in an everyday looking guy who is not great socially. I'm about 6ft tall with a full head of hair that is not greying.

I don't know how Messi compares, the description the unpleasant women have him was not good. How much truth there is in that only Messi knows. End of the day none of us get a choice is the genes/looks etc that are bestowed on us we just got to go with stuff we largely can't change.

If Messi is towards the description one of the girls gave, short and not necessarily an average or better on looks then women can have a issue with such things, some more than others. He may have other qualities but may feel that if he may struggle to find a woman genuinely attracted to him then a traveling companion may be a much more comfortable choice, nothing wrong with that.

[Gator]

GatoMessi,

For several years I traveled with RW  to places all over the globe.  It was a great time.  So I speak from experience. 

First, you are barking up the wrong tree.  You are pursuing prostitutes/escorts who are in this solely for the money. They are not interested in the social companionship so they would make a lousy travel companion.   Why would you want to travel with such a woman?  Especially one who expect luxury when you are more interested in adventure than luxury. 

Traveling is intimate, and choosing a woman without first meeting her could result in the "vacation from hell."

Instead, it would be easy to find a delightful RW who would go along for the travel experience, social companionship, and the possibility of a long term relationship.   I did this several times.  I paid for everything, even buying a gift or two.  No RW asked for first class and all were happy with less than luxury accommodations.  They do demand flush toilets, clean sheets, and safe food.   

To find a companion, open your mind to exploring the possibilities that the woman may be a fine person , she may be compatible with you, she maybe is a lot of fun, and you are capable of an emotional relationship. 

So go to different websites for meeting RW.  First seek a woman with good qualities without mentioning travel.   You should first travel to the FSU to meet several women, choosing one to travel with.  This is a great travel adventure in itself. 

It is soooooooo easy to do. 

[Boethius]

Mobe, must you take every post I make as an opportunity to knock me?

There is nothing wrong in what I told Messi, it was just my experiences I was imparting that seemed relevant to his situation.

No, there was something wrong.  The OP specifically stated he was not looking for a romantic relationship.  So your post was unhelpful.


This post was composed without the aid of google.

[Trenchcoat]

No, there was something wrong.  The OP specifically stated he was not looking for a romantic relationship.  So your post was unhelpful.


This post was composed without the aid of google.

He's got to be reasonable, yes as I said above he was after a travelling companion and not dating. For sure most of the girls on FSU sites are there for romance, whether they get it though is a different matter. Some will be there on the same or similar grounds to Messi. Some FSU Dating sites let you choose options on if you are just looking for friendship and let you filter search for that but only a few of the girls will be there for that. Plus the site that used to be good for that has gone downhill a lot over the past year so can't recommend it.

All in all though I think it's Messi's best bet. He will get girls up that nicer than the girls he was contacting and most FSW won't mind if there turns out to be no  romance as most are up for travelling.

[GQBlues]

I do not know where to start in this forum.   First, let me introduce myself.   I am 50 years old from United Kingdom.  Never married, do not have any children and live alone.  I am not Brad Pitt nor Radek Stepanek :-D

Anyway, I am not looking for a serious relationships, certainly not with any FSU women, but also am not looking for any sexual relationships.  I just want to have a travel companion to have a company.   I have joined a site called "Travel Girls" where you can find a travel companion.  Unfortunately, about 80% of the women are from FSU mostly from Ukraine or Russia.  The rest of the women are made up of Africans, Europeans and South Americans.   There are, of course, potential scammers in the site, like everywhere  (probably also male scammers as well).   I can weed off any scammers easily to focus on genuine women....

Maybe try a site they call Meetup.com. They even have local groups close to you.  http://www.meetup.com/cities/gb/

To get to the point of this topic, to focus on these 80% women  (because this site is all about Russian women).    Most of these FSU women want to have luxury travel rather than having free vacation.  One Russian woman was really rude to me  After exchanging 2 messages, she demanded me to offer her business class flight and 5 star hotels to go to Dominican Republic. Is that normal from any FSU women?     When I replied to her that I would be happy to offer a travel companion to fly economically and 3-4 star hotels, she called me many bad names  "so ugly, little and poor dick"  !!!

Any genuine women will be happy for a free holiday to any tropic islands, never mind about business class flight and 5 star hotels !    I've never flew in business or first class flights nor stay at any 5 star hotels in my life, let alone offering her after knowing 2 messages!     

Many of other women want to go on holiday "next week" when I haven't had a plan yet, and I don't even know them at all.  Again, is this a normal behaviour from any FSU women? 

One woman asked when will I have a vacation.  I told her that I am having a short break this August and a big vacation in October, she replied that she will speak to me when the time comes  (eg in August). Is this a normal behaviour from any FSU ladies not interested in knowing me a bit beforehand?

As for the 'point' of your topic, who cares what the answer to your questions are if you found most of what you experienced so far to be unfavorable. Frankly, I find it even more odd that anyone is willing to pick up travelling expenses for a random person he/she met in the internet. No friends/family?

[krimster2]

seriously you guys...

1. learn Russian...
2. learn Russian social media
3. learn how to promote your “Russian" web site on Russian social media
4. participate in group chats on Russian social media

and at the end of the year, there will be OVER 1,000 women in your contacts
everyone will also be on viber so you can video chat with them

guys in the UK are luckier with closer time zones than the USA
shorter distance to travel you guys can take long weekends with only 5 hours to Kyiv

natural advantage for y'all
compared to rich Yankees who live 8 time zones to your West

i'd use that advantage if I were you
and make a social media/video chat connection to in person meeting in her country....
choose from the top 10 in your contacts

if you have a lot of pieces of paper with portraits of QE and the numbers 50 on it
and she has her passport, take her to some place like Paris or Amsterdam
I was in Amsterdam last summer, and heard Russian spoken everywhere...

[Trenchcoat]

seriously you guys...

1. learn Russian...
2. learn Russian social media
3. learn how to promote your “Russian" web site on Russian social media.
4.participate in group chats on Russian social media

and at the end of the year, there will be OVER 1,000 women in your contacts
alost everyone will also be on viber so you can video chat with them

guys in the UK are luckier with closer time zones than the USA
shorter distance to travel you guys can take long weekends with only 5 hours to Kyiv

What sort of 'Russian' website?

[krimster2]

I'd recommend doing a general interest web site, the more popular and general the better
and add lots of professionally produced images of yourself...

for instance you could have a web site about collecting old Soviet and Russian stereophonic LP records
heavily illustrated, well written
in Russian and English
then you start your own fan group on VK and you put a VK "Like widget" on your web site...
they click on it and it goes to your fan page
people share their likes with all the people in their network
once you get up to a certain number of fans
you can exchange your fan list with another fan group for theirs
and double your fans...
you can also create fake fan pages that link to yours that "bumps" its visibility
and game the system to get a high position on VK.com search results

bottom line, it's possible to get a total of 50,000 or more followers on VK
and maybe 10% that number will be total eye candy whose face lights up whenever you video chat with her on viber
you should have at least a thousand active contacts, single women, age 18-40, living somewhere in Russia or Ukraine
after one year of working this system...

if you're single and you have a high ranked fan group, women will send you naked selfies ALL THE FREAKIN' TIME!
if you don't want that, put pictures of your wife and kids on your web site - that reduces it by 90%

[Trenchcoat]

I'd recommend doing a general interest web site, the more popular and general the better
and add lots of professionally produced images of yourself...

for instance you could have a web site about collecting old Soviet and Russian stereophonic LP records
heavily illustrated, well written
in Russian and English
then you start your own fan group on VK and you put a VK "Like widget" on your web site...
they click on it and it goes to your fan page
people share their likes with all the people in their network
once you get up to a certain number of fans
you can exchange your fan list with another fan group for theirs
and double your fans...
you can also create fake fan pages that link to yours that "bumps" its visibility
and game the system to get a high position on VK.com search results

bottom line, it's possible to get a total of 50,000 or more followers on VK
and maybe 10% that number will be total eye candy whose face lights up whenever you video chat with her on viber
you should have at least a thousand active contacts, single women, age 18-40, living somewhere in Russia or Ukraine
after one year of working this system...

if you're single and you have a high ranked fan group, women will send you naked selfies ALL THE FREAKIN' TIME!
if you don't want that, put pictures of your wife and kids on your web site - that reduces it by 90%

That's great Krim. So I'm guessing that Russians would have to find your website first before hitting the VK fan page button and going through to that. Hence why you say to start a website about Russian stuff, but would it still not be hard to find, I mean there are loads of websites out there?

[krimster2]

one of my web sites, gets over 2,000 hits/day in Russia/Ukraine
don't expect me to hand out my secret sauce though...
google the topic of web site promotion on vk.com to learn more...

[nano]

To get to the point of this topic, to focus on these 80% women  (because this site is all about Russian women).    Most of these FSU women want to have luxury travel rather than having free vacation.  One Russian woman was really rude to me  After exchanging 2 messages, she demanded me to offer her business class flight and 5 star hotels to go to Dominican Republic. Is that normal from any FSU women?     When I replied to her that I would be happy to offer a travel companion to fly economically and 3-4 star hotels, she called me many bad names  "so ugly, little and poor dick"  !!!

Its not normal if she say so, but at the same time why she should agree to stay with unfamilia man in not convenient circumstance and hotel. Was you know her well?

I think most man want to be strangers for women but want she trate him as husband. Be tolerate to his "we havent money for this hotel", be close to him and show how she like him and the "chemistry" all the time.
And I really cant understand what for this trip? Is it serching a wife or just social companion? If social companion why not to find a man-friend who would tolerate to cheap hotel and pay for himself?

 

Many of other women want to go on holiday "next week" when I haven't had a plan yet, and I don't even know them at all.  Again, is this a normal behaviour from any FSU women? 

They just trying to evoid endless panpal messaging maybe. A lot of man messaging through years with nothing visit.

One woman asked when will I have a vacation.  I told her that I am having a short break this August and a big vacation in October, she replied that she will speak to me when the time comes  (eg in August). Is this a normal behaviour from any FSU ladies not interested in knowing me a bit beforehand?

Its I mentioned above.
And there are prostitutes also and ecscorts and so on categoree of women.
First of all better to find wife (not a photomodel) and travel with her as you both would convenient. Man usially like to choose photomodel ("the best choice") and then complain she is reject his 3* hotel and do not want devide his "simple life".

[ML]

Quote from: GatoMessi on June 19, 2019, 08:23:59 AM
After exchanging 2 messages, she demanded me to offer her business class flight and 5 star hotels to go to Dominican Republic.

And I really cant understand what for this trip? If social companion why not to find a man-friend who would tolerate to cheap hotel and pay for himself?

Good example of a totally dishonest Russian person.

The man talked about woman wanting Business Class flights and 5 Star Hotels.

So an honest response would refer to the man wanting to provide Economy flights and 4 Star Hotel.

But instead, the dishonest person completely rearranges to state that the man wishes the woman to pay for her own flight and he would provide cheap hotel.

Disgusting people.

[Gator]

And I really cant understand what for this trip? Is it serching a wife or just social companion? If social companion why not to find a man-friend who would tolerate to cheap hotel and pay for himself?

You touch the heart of the matter.     

A man friend would not only pay for his own expenses (hotel, flight),  he is more likely to be a compatible travel partner because of already having known each other.  So maybe Gato seeks more than the fun of travel. 

[Gator]

nano, when reading ML's posts, keep in mind  he considers all Russians to be as bad as Putin. 

[krimster2]

if you live outside the law
you HAVE to be HONEST...

quid pro quo is the way to go!!
quo bono?
everyone!

it ain’t
 a zero-sum game
if you’re each up at least a point or two
and that’s MY point

just like in nature
there are MANY stable atomic configurations of molecules
there are also many stable configurations of human relationships

bottom line
you’ll each gain MORE by cooperation than by cheating...
once you understand this
then you need to discuss the "limits and rights" of your partnership
and its goals

a successful wealthy western man, especially if he is nice looking (by Russian standards)
can EASILY find a Russian/Ukrainian partner of whatever kind he wishes...
you are like a rare-earth magnet
and every Russian/Ukrainian woman of child bearing age
a hunk of iron
ya feel me, bros?

BUT...
if you're a "poser" and not an actual successful wealthy guy
then you're just gonna be disappointed, because she will be as well...
ya feel me, bros?

[ML]

nano, when reading ML's posts, keep in mind  he considers all Russians to be as bad as Putin.

No; only those who demonstrate that they are so.

[nano]

The man talked about woman wanting Business Class flights and 5 Star Hotels.

So an honest response would refer to the man wanting to provide Economy flights and 4 Star Hotel.

She do not know him and here a lot of quite pretensiouse women who like luxority life and ask it from men. I suppose GatoMessi was not shy and ask the most fashion and buiterful women to accompany his "simple life" and modest hotel.

Disgusting people.

Its just a women they like luxority life and strong man.

and why should be she tolerate to his "chosing the best choice" and spend time "to know him well" while he would just spend her time for endless communicating and at the end choose another women? The GatoMessi  pursue his own interests do not want to see another part of medal

[krimster2]

so Nano...

please allow me to introduce myself...
I am called Krimster
as you may remember from your childhood
I am the name Russian mothers whisper to their children at night
to prod them into bed
"if you're not hirroshe, krimster will get you"
please allow me to express my delight at making your acquaintance
kak de la?

what kind of education do you have?
describe something that's unique about you...
what do you for fun in Ekateringburg?
especially in the winter?   (I used to go sledding in Kyiv in the winter!)

[ML]

Nano, your response to me was just like your response to GatoMessi.

i.e. You did not address the points made, and your answer deliberately and dishonestly changed the words and meanings of the other posters.

Typical of a dishonest Russian.

[nano]

so Nano...

please allow me to introduce myself...
I am called Krimster
as you may remember from your childhood
I am the name Russian mothers whisper to their children at night
to prod them into bed
"if you're not hirroshe, krimster will get you"
please allow me to express my delight at making your acquaintance
kak de la?

what kind of education do you have?
describe something that's unique about you...
what do you for fun in Ekateringburg?
especially in the winter?   (I used to go sledding in Kyiv in the winter!)

education is very poor as you notice   In winter here a lot of entertaiment but mostly I do not use it. As need to work or just havent time or mood. Or haven't good accompany. And I do not speak with Krimsters especially 2 with such introducings too scaring