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[Marcopolo]

 Hello,

  I need the advice of the experienced. I have been researching the process for a while and am traveling to Ukraine in September. I am signed up for the "romance tour" but my attempts at preliminary e-mail correspondance have been zilch. Aftera  few short e-mails and the girls seem to lose interest.

  I have a broad general plan to utilize want ads alongside the romance tour but the question is this:

   Am I doing something wrong or is the purchase profile info and trade e-mails method completely a loser? I have tried a number of sites but the girl's interest lifespan is that of a Mayfly.

  Hope to have better luck with real meetings over there but was attempting not to go into them cold with no prior communication. I have heard before RW skepticism with keyboard romeos. That stigma may be insurmountable but invite feedback.


Mark (Bull)

[BC]

Welcome Bull!
I can't share any experiences going through agencies, etc, but I think if I were to actively look for a RW I would just do a couple classified ads in the smaller city papers requesting correspondence by snail mail only, then upgrade the 'cut' to telephone and email later on.

The 'information highway' would be a bit too clogged for my liking.  Maybe you'll even enjoy the slow scenic route better.

I suggested this long ago but haven't found anyone that tried.. guess the quest for instant gratification is too much to resist.

In any case good luck!

[Turboguy]

Hi Mark,

Lining up some gals in advance is a good move.   Running a classified ad is a good way to go but if you are going in September you are probably getting tight on time.  I will also mention that August is not a good month for classifieds.   It is vacation time there.

As to is the purchase of addresses and sending E-mails a waste of time.  I would have to say no.  One of the frequent problems is that guys want to write long enough to feel there is sincere interest.  For the gals if they have to write too many letters without talk of a meeting they thing the guy is using them.  End result is about the time you think she is interested she quits writing.

E-Mails can work.  Trust me.  I am writing enough gals that my problem is finding the time to keep up and not finding gals to write.  I guarantee you it can work.

Sometimes it is a shear numbers game.  You will get a response from a certain number of gals.  It might be 50%, it might be 10%.  It will vary on where the addresses are from.  I use two sources.  Elenas Models and Free Personals.  I get a much higher response from Elenas and they hang in longer.  There are more gals run through Free Personals and I might have to make more conacts but I can end up with a lot of good girls from there.

I can only guess what you are running into.  One possibilty is where you are getting your addresses from.  There are a lot of good sources and some not so good.  It may be the letter you are sending.  Do a little research.  Try different letters and track the results.  Use differnt photos.  There are some things that will cut your response rate.  Thinkgs like sending your photo standing in front of a Red Ferrari, sending a naked photo or even a shirtless one sometimes.  Talking about sex in your first letter.  Talking too much about the things you have and not yourself.

May I ask whose tour you are gong on and where you are going.  I am only asking because I want to help you.  Could I also ask the source you are using for your addresses.

[beattledog]

emailing, phone calls, and writing letters is a waste of time. take the plane and go.

great beattledog

[BC]

beattledog,

Is that what you did?  Please do tell us more..  Some of your one liners are pretty good but would have a lot more impact with a personae behind them.  If you haven't noticed, this website is called russianwomendiscussion.com..

I can program a bot to spit out one liners all day long.

[Turboguy]

Maybe we can get Alena from the chat room to post.  She has great one liners and great questions.

[TexasBoar]

Maybe we can get Alena from the chat room to post.  She has great one liners and great questions.

Who IS that, if you don't mind my taking this OT?

Because as near as I can tell, they are always in the chatroom. I was thinking they were a software glitch! 

~Boar

[BillyB]

Marco,

E-mails and phone calls can work eliminate incompatible women as well as help you find women you are compatable with. Maybe you are concentrating on women out of your league? Maybe you are a strange guy and turning off the women? Maybe the women need translated letters or have the means to translate your letters but you might misspell a lot of words to the point they don't understand you. Before wondering what the problem with the women are or the system you're using, look at yourself. If you got your life in order and a decent looking guy, there should be no excuses on why you can't attract a woman's interest for more than a few letters. I wrote a few hundred women and had great results. You can read my story here:
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=1303.0

[PeeWee]

emailing, phone calls, and writing letters is a waste of time. take the plane and go.

great beattledog

LOL!  Wham. Bam. Thank you, mama. He is going but he needs some preamble prior to his journey.

Peewee

[Turboguy]

I have to agree with Billy.  It should be working for you.  Tell us a little more and we will try to give you some suggestions.

Beattle, ok, you forget the e-mails, letters, phone calls, and agencys, you just go.  What do you do when you get there other than sightsee.

[catzenmouse]

I have to agree with Billy.  It should be working for you.  Tell us a little more and we will try to give you some suggestions.

Beattle, ok, you forget the e-mails, letters, phone calls, and agencys, you just go.  What do you do when you get there other than sightsee.

He'll mercilessly hit them with one liners until they agree to go out with him... 

[Admin]

Who IS that, if you don't mind my taking this OT?

Because as near as I can tell, they are always in the chatroom. I was thinking they were a software glitch! 

~Boar

You haven't met Aliona?

She is the official RWD Chatroom greeter - and she does a phenomenal job!

Try chatting her up sometime. She is QUITE responsive.

- Dan

[Turboguy]

Quite a job is an understatement.   She is nicer to talk to than any AW I have met and lots of the FSU ones as well.

[Marcopolo]

  Well a little more,

   I am 39, have been told I am good looking and over my lifetime I have dated models, homecoming queens, and exotic dancers ...not neccesarily in that order or because that is what I was looking for.

  Don't smoke , don't drink and I am financially stable to the extent I am probably considered wealthy but I don't want to dangle my millions in front of a girl's face to win her if you know what I mean.


   I purchased addresses through Elena's models, AFA, and Free Russian personals as an attempt to get a good cross section. At first I had good responses and traded a few e-mails with prospects but this WAS  four months before my trip.

  I am thinking of simply pocketing all my leads, add them to responses that I get from personals in small town ads over there and attempt to start correspondance IN COUNTRY  when 'We' can act on it in a more timely manner if both are interested rather than ... " I 'll see you in four months"  sales pitch. The better prospects who dropped off will probably get a gift in the mail when I get to Ukraine as an attempt to say "  Hey, I told you I was coming", but I am not going to stalk them, obvioulsy, ..oh and  my  tour is through AFA but as I mentioned I am not going to rely  on that exclusively.

   It just seems like the better candidates are more skeptical to the whole "keyboard romeo" thing. My best prospect prior to her dropping out really did refer to not wanting to spend months and years writing with no visit A LOT in her e-mails.

Mark(AKA Marcopolo)

[Marcopolo]

   Oh, and I forgot. I understand and completely buy into the whole interpretation miscues which I am willing to live up to but my last question is simply of the reliability of russian/ukraine e-mail delivery. Any experience with  shoddy reception of e-mails, missinng e-mails, lost correspondence?
This IS almost a third world county and region in many respects of technological advances- clean water, A/C, etc.

[BC]

   Oh, and I forgot. I understand and completely buy into the whole interpretation miscues which I am willing to live up to but my last question is simply of the reliability of russian/ukraine e-mail delivery. Any experience with  shoddy reception of e-mails, missinng e-mails, lost correspondence?
This IS almost a third world county and region in many respects of technological advances- clean water, A/C, etc.

Remember when the fax came out and how many times you heard 'Oh... but I didn't get your fax...

Did you believe it then?

If she didn't receive your email and you didn't get an undeliverable notice then there is a reason for it.

[BC]

Oh.. and another thought..

Don't look seriously at the women you do impress.. look closely at those that are not instead.

That is where you will find your 'nugget'.

[Voyageur]

Marcopolo,

If you have not yet been to the FSU, I would keep an open mind about things re: " This IS almost a third world county and region in many respects of technological advances- clean water, A/C, etc.".

You might be surprised.
 

[Marcopolo]

Hello Voyageur,

     Yes , I do have an open mind.  However, from EVERYTHING  I have read the water, in particular, is third world. If I get there and that is wrong it will be a plus. In fairness to the FSU countries my additional inclination to the positive  is that some things, such as performances of the arts like ballets and symphonies, will be heads and shoulders above anything near me in the Midwest of the U.S. and I intend to see some of those performances(with my bottled water).

     As for e-mail. If you guys think that e-mail service over there is reliable I will take your word for it.

Mark(AKA Marcopolo)

[BillyB]

    Any experience with  shoddy reception of e-mails, missinng e-mails, lost correspondence?

I've had many e-mails bounce back to me, around 8 times with my fiancee alone and it's not because her mailbox is full. But the key word is "bounce". Marcopolo, maybe you'll get lucky and find a woman who'd put as much effort into you as you do for her. I would put in your first e-mail the fact that you intend to travel to the FSU withing 4 months and later get women's phone numbers and make some calls. You might find one you click with well on the phone and can plan your trip accordingly to where she's at instead of you just having to settle for visiting anywhere on a wild guess. You seem like a wise enough man to win a woman over based on yourself than what you have to offer. Best Wishes.

[Voyageur]

Marcopolo,

I surely agree with you, concerning the water. I have never had a problem with the water in an FSU country, simply because I have always used bottled water for brushing teeth and drinking. I hope that I never find out if the FSU country's water is as harmful to US-born stomachs and digestive tracks as I have sometimes heard it was. Your experience may vary, but I would not want to waste precious days abroad, finding out otherwise. Good luck in your journey.

[Christopher]

You haven't met Aliona?

She is the official RWD Chatroom greeter - and she does a phenomenal job!

Try chatting her up sometime. She is QUITE responsive.

- Dan

I think she failed my touring test in about ten questions.  I do not know if that is good or bad.  My ego needs a boost today so its good;)

[Turboguy]

Mark,  The E-Mail there is as reliable as ours. Mail.ru gets a ton of bounces but you will get a notice. Yandex, Ramler and others are quite good.
Elena's, AFA and freepersonals are good sources of addresses. That should not be a problem. I think your letters may be the problem. I will do another post later and talk about how I do my letters. It may be helpful.

[Turboguy]

I mentioned that I think the problem is what you write. I will tell you what I do in the hopes it may help. You sound like someone most any gal would be interested in.

My first letter is pretty much cut and paste but I do try and tailer the first paragraph to things she said in her listing. I try to use her name in my letter. I send two photos.   I try to keep my letters around 5-6 paragraphs.   Not too long, not too short!

After the first letter I try to write real letters to her.  I try and make sure I answer all he questions.  I try and comment on the things she told me in her letter. I try and include a photo with each letter. I try and have one romantic paragraph in each letter.

To speed things up I have a word file with answers to popular questions. If a gal askes me about my family I just go to my word document, copy my two paragraph answer about my family and paste it in. It is good to ask questions. Sometimes it makes their writing easier. They have something to talk about.   Be careful about your questions that you don't ask the same questions two times in a row.  I have to watch that myself.   I send a photo with each follow up letter.

Try to be honest, try not to brag.  Try to tell them that you are sincere.   I may add more later. Maybe others have good suggestions.

[Marcopolo]

Thanks Turbo guy,

   I think I may just pocket my leads and take them with me and contact these leads while I am there. I may have an entirely better sales pitch byt being "in country".  I am probably looking at my e-mail attempts as a "3 and out" with a punt to use a football analogy.

  I am so close to my trip now(5 weeks) I think it will be difficult to get any meaningful exchange going. I could be wrong. But I had planned an extended trip to hopefully circumvent these pitfalls. I will be in the Ukraine nearly a month with leads coming from Agencies, socials, personal ads in newspapers, AND good old fashion chance meetings in public.

  I was going after fairly popular girls, indirectly, I would mark a profile and come to find my picks were also everyone else's picks too. So I may have a problem. I do not think these girls are out of my league, just means they are getting TONS of e-mail from guys who maybe don't mind sending pics of sports cars and mansions(whether truthfully or not) to lure responses.

  I am hoping that it is a different scene actually being there. From what I have read on  pertinant posts regarding this it is the case.

  I also have questions whether my region(the Midwest) is a negative selling point competing against guys who live in Florida or New York etc.


Marcopolo(AKA Mark, AKA Bull)