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« Reply #1300 on: March 25, 2020, 05:48:26 AM »
SC escaped Pattaya to the airport at Bangkok and is checking in to fly to Moscow ... The beaches were closed this am - so that really IS 'serious' - if she'd had to stay

The seats are marked with green ticks and red crosses as one waits for a flight and while we chatted a passenger with a suitcase walked past in FULL Haz gear !

As soon as check-in opened the Russians scrambled into a queue and 'social distancing' went out the window .. :dh:   Couldn't bear to watch the stupidity in action and asked her to call me AFTER she clears security / passport control


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« Reply #1301 on: March 25, 2020, 06:02:05 AM »
Thailand even closed the beaches? Probably pretty hard to enforce beach closures, except for the main beaches in resort areas like Pattaya, Koh Samui and Phuket. Personally, I cant believe anyone would swim at the main resort areas with all the raw sewage Thailand pumps into them. The only people I see going swimming at those beaches are Russians.

SC was 5 miles north of the main drag and I've also swum in the sea, there ...   For sure - the first time she swims in the sea there, each time she arrives, her eyes go puffy for a few days ... !


  Phi Phi Island is somewhat isolated with nice hotels and a good beach. I would guess hotel security looks the other way when people go to the beach. Otherwise, everyone would just leave

Don't know if it's a local ordinance, but a state of emergency kicks in at midnight ..

Update: They closed the borders to foreigners save those with residency / work permits as SC boarded

 
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« Reply #1302 on: March 25, 2020, 07:46:16 AM »
Testing (US): So far we are averaging 50,000/Day. By early next week they’re estimating double that number. Yet, once the 45-min test kits AND the self-swabbing test kits finally get widely distributed, we could finally get much better at mitigating the virus. The viral-musical infection chair will (should) be eliminated.

Vaccine: Inovio Pharmaceutical, San Diego-based laboratory, announced they are accelerating clinical trials of the vaccine they’re able to create against COVID-19 after only 3 hours of plotting its genetic sequence. They’re the same company that found the MERS vaccine.

Since this virus doesn’t easily mutate, and if the vaccine Inovio is trying to advance is widely distributed, then COVID-19 will not become ‘seasonal’. For lack of a better term…once you’re vaccinated with this, it is highly unlikely you’ll be infected by this virus.

I believe (speculating here folks), the fact it doesn’t easily mutate is because of what I read about the virus. This strain of coronavirus, apparently, is what is medically termed as “chimera’ (not to be defined in Greek term – no such things as ‘dragons’), which just means that it is a fusion of at least two different viruses. Not hydrid, which is a product of two or more, but a bond of two or more viruses.
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2. The 2018 Camp Fire and Woolsey California wildfires are forests burning because of global warming
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« Reply #1303 on: March 25, 2020, 07:52:15 AM »
Quote from: Mark Cuban
"When you make decisions using imperfect information, you make imperfect decisions. No matter what we decide, it will have problems,”

I never had perfect information when making many critical decisions.  Instead I had a plan, a plan that inevitably had to be changed as 'things' changed.

Obtaining perfect information is time consuming, and meanwhile the world is changing, and the opportunity could be missed.

These situations are constantly with us and call for the Bayesian Approach.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/bayesian-approach

Quite. My mechanic calls this, band-aid fix. Treating the symptoms rather than cure the cause.

But I understand. Not knowing the cause, we’re left with progressions of treatment, and until information becomes ‘perfect’ – thereby the cure; all we really have so far are imperfect decisions.

Case in point, we looked at what appears to be a massive (potential of) mass wasting occurring close to our current project yesterday. Archived information doesn’t denote any known landslide plane. Bedding planes are fairly consistent and have inclination on a counter angulation. It would be easy to assume it is caused by rain, but characteristics of mass wasting is different than that of seismic or moisture-driven geologic slippages e.g. landslides. We basically surveyed the general area to gather as much information as we can. The soils engineer will do further geologic investigation. Maybe even perform seismic lines to find ‘some’ energy break underneath. In the meantime, we decided to proceed and mitigate further wasting and slippages until ‘perfect’ information is established. We are resigned to carry on with this *imperfect decision* to prevent further damage in the near surrounding infrastructure.

In some ways, akin to the battle we face against this pandemic.
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« Reply #1304 on: March 25, 2020, 07:55:51 AM »
Several posters here have talked about how 'exceptional' we in the US are so a few weeks under lockdown shouldn't cause mass suicides. 

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*WE*?!? I wasn't aware you included yourself to the distinction already?  Or are you just being presumptuous? Wishful thinking, perhaps?

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« Reply #1305 on: March 25, 2020, 08:00:22 AM »
MORE GOOD NEWS

For those interested in the fatality rate of COVID-19, you can read Krimster's posts or you can refer to the latest from the best minds in the medical field. 

Here is an example of the latter in the Wall Street Journal:

Is the Coronavirus as Deadly as They Say?
Current estimates about the Covid-19 fatality rate may be too high by orders of magnitude.


http://www.wsj.com/articles/is-the-coronavirus-as-deadly-as-they-say-11585088464

It is opinion piece written by two professors of medicine at Stanford, suggesting a mortality rate possibly as low as 0.01%.   

As with any new information, it needs to be tempered by the opinions of medical professionals broadly accepted as prominent authorities (e. g., Dr. Tony Fauci).  One such credible professional is Dr. Scott Gottlieb.  Gottlief is former FDA commissioner, and referred to by Politico as "the shadow coronavirus czar..... from Twitter to TV, he’s become the face of truth-telling about the coronavirus pandemic."

http://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/15/shadow-coronavirus-czar-scott-gottlieb-129563

Dr. Gottlieb is interviewed frequently and broadly, and for those of you not aware of him, I suggest you read what he has to say.  He has been on CNBC almost daily.   

Today in an CNBC interview, Gottlieb reacted to the Stanford analysis of mortality rate, saying the rate could be less than the 0.5 - 1.0% range for situations with a)  well functioning healthcare systems and b) the surge of patients has not exceeded the system capacity. 

The latter does not apply to New York City, whose hospitals are already nearing capacity, yet the peak  infection case count is 2-3 weeks away, and hospitalization cases will peak in another 2-3 weeks after that.       
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« Reply #1306 on: March 25, 2020, 08:16:27 AM »
The mortality rate is probably tiny.. in circumstances where the health services can cope ... THAT is the rub... in hot spots ...they can't and people who could normally expect treatment don't get it


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« Reply #1307 on: March 25, 2020, 08:21:34 AM »
Every nation on the planet has underestimated the virus.
 

Every nation is guilty for trusting China and WHO. WHO is supposed to get to the bottom of every infectious disease and put out warnings and recommendations but they failed because China wouldn't let them in China to study the virus so WHO simply trusted China. From the article below "China confirmed human-to-human transmission on Jan. 20. The WHO said on Jan. 12 there was no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission." No wonder WHO was recommending travel to and from China was safe and notice China announce human to human transmission was possible right before their quarantining of 60 million people which soon led to lock downs of 760 million people soon after? China knew since December or earlier this virus was moving among it's people but lied to the world. We will all pay for it.

Also read below that the UN's WHO ignored Taiwan which is not considered a nation. Taiwan was probably the first nation to call BS on China and the WHO and enacted travel restrictions.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/taiwan-says-who-ignored-its-coronavirus-questions-at-start-of-outbreak/ar-BB11CNet?ocid=spartanntp

Vaccine: Inovio Pharmaceutical, San Diego-based laboratory, announced they are accelerating clinical trials of the vaccine they’re able to create against COVID-19 after only 3 hours of plotting its genetic sequence. They’re the same company that found the MERS vaccine.


On this forum and another, there's articles linked almost everyday of a possible cure. We are going to be bombarded with stories to give us hope. I searched for old articles when SARS and MERS came out during the search for cures and treatments which were never found. Sometimes a medicine actually works for 5% of the people but not for most from the studies I read. So when a lab says their medicine kills the virus for the sample group they used compared to the sample group that didn't take it, it sounds promising when in reality it worked for only a few people and not for the rest. The lab trying to make a sales pitch pertaining to it's invention will most like have their product rejected by FDA, CDC, and WHO. It's like the debate on Vitamin C. Vitamin C probably won't work on everybody, especially if the person's immune system is already at 100% but it will work on some people who's immune system is less than 100%. The authorities need to fine a cure or treatment that will work for all people, not just a few percent.

Vaccine: Inovio Pharmaceutical, ….. They’re the same company that found the MERS vaccine.


There's no such thing as a MERS vaccine or treatment. If you read that in their paid advertisement disguised as an article written by a journalist with no stake in the company, they are lying.

http://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/middle-east-respiratory-syndrome-coronavirus-(mers-cov)

http://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/mers/about/prevention.html

Since this virus doesn’t easily mutate,


This virus has been around only a few months. Questing anybody who says it doesn't mutate easily because it's too early to make that claim.


It is opinion piece written by two professors of medicine at Stanford, suggesting a mortality rate possibly as low as 0.01%.   


WOW!!!! Those experts say the virus is ten times less deadly than the flu. We can let this virus run loose like we do with flu viruses and carry on like nothing is happening.  Gator, a lot of what you are reading is put out there to save lives. Panic will kill more than the virus. The truth will come out in the end but the experts who calculated the truth have told governments this virus is worst than anything they've ever seen. Keep in mind, MERS had a case fatality rate of 34% but nations aren't afraid of MERS like they are with this one.
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« Reply #1308 on: March 25, 2020, 08:44:14 AM »
Silly BillyB

It's about time to had a lie down with an expert re your 'pronouncements'  from the efficacy of surgical masks to the potential of this virus to be our worst nightmare 

Really, your posts are going to look VERY silly in a week or two


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« Reply #1309 on: March 25, 2020, 08:48:43 AM »
On this forum and another, there's articles linked almost everyday of a possible cure. We are going to be bombarded with stories to give us hope. I searched for old articles when SARS and MERS came out during the search for cures and treatments which were never found. Sometimes a medicine actually works for 5% of the people but not for most from the studies I read. So when a lab says their medicine kills the virus for the sample group they used compared to the sample group that didn't take it, it sounds promising when in reality it worked for only a few people and not for the rest. The lab trying to make a sales pitch pertaining to it's invention will most like have their product rejected by FDA, CDC, and WHO. It's like the debate on Vitamin C. Vitamin C probably won't work on everybody, especially if the person's immune system is already at 100% but it will work on some people who's immune system is less than 100%. The authorities need to fine a cure or treatment that will work for all people, not just a few percent.

LMAO. There's the Vit. C again.

Read: CLINICAL TRIALS.

INO-4800 by Inovio Pharmaceuticals and Beijing Advaccine Biotechnology

Inovio Pharmaceuticals has collaborated with Beijing Advaccine Biotechnology Company to advance the development of the former’s vaccine, INO-4800, as a novel coronavirus vaccine. The company has started pre-clinical testing for clinical product manufacturing.

The vaccine development is supported by a $9m grant from the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations (CEPI).

Inovio announced an accelerated timeline for the development of the vaccine on 03 March. Preclinical trials are ongoing and the design for human clinical trials have been completed. The company has also prepared 3,000 doses for human clinical trials planned to be conducted across the US, China, and South Korea.  Plans for large-scale manufacturing have also been developed.

Human clinical trials in 30 healthy volunteers are expected to commence in April 2020 in the US, followed by China, and South Korea. A phase one clinical trial is planned to be conducted in parallel in China, by Beijing Advaccine. Results from the clinical trials are expected to be available in September 2020.
Inovio aims to produce one million doses of the vaccine by the end of 2020 to perform additional clinical trials or emergency use.

::::they should've consulted with our BillyB first:::::

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There's no such thing as a MERS vaccine or treatment. If you read that in their paid advertisement disguised as an article written by a journalist with no stake in the company, they are lying.

Inovio Pharma’s INO-4700

The investigational DNA immunotherapy, INO-4700 (GLS-5300) is being developed by Inovio in partnership with GeneOne Life Science. It is delivered as vaccine intramuscularly, using the Cellectra® delivery device.

The company has received a $5m grant from the Bill and Mellinda Gates foundation to accelerate the development of the Cellectra® delivery device.

The vaccine was well-tolerated and demonstrated high immune responses against the MERS-CoV in 94% of patients in the early-stage clinical trial in July 2019. It also generated broad-based T cell responses in 88% of the subjects.

BillyB, here's the contact page for Inovio Pharmaceutical. Will you please enlighten them with your links please. http://www.inovio.com/contact.

I didn't realize Bill Gates can be this stupid, you know. He should've consulted you first. I'm sure you can easily Google his contact information. Let him know he's wasting his money...

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This virus has been around only a few months. Questing anybody who says it doesn't mutate easily because it's too early to make that claim.

:ROFL:

Why question 'them' when we have an expert like you on the board, right? LMAO.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/03/low-coronavirus-mutations-mean-hope-for-a-single-vaccine.html

Dunno dude, Between a) BillyB of RWD, a Googling construction worker from Seattle, WA, b) Iowa's virologist Spencer Perlman, or maybe even c) Peter Thielman, John Hopkins molecular geneticist; I don't believe it'll be that tough for me to choose who to subscribe to.

Would you agree? You need a vacation, BillyB.
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« Reply #1310 on: March 25, 2020, 09:02:13 AM »

WOW!!!! Those experts say the virus is ten times less deadly than the flu. We can let this virus run loose like we do with flu viruses and carry on like nothing is happening. 

Not what I wrote nor what the Stanford Professors wrote.  The number is higher, but not as high as the panicked proclaim. 

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Panic will kill more than the virus.

From suicides, etc.?  Panic cause mistakes, overreactions, less than optimal distribution of limited resources.  The expression "squeaky wheel gets the grease" can be interpreted when the grease supply is constrained that the other wheels lock up. 

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« Reply #1311 on: March 25, 2020, 09:19:06 AM »
Really, your posts are going to look VERY silly in a week or two


I checked the posts I made last month and they don't look silly today. Promise me you will remind me of your words in two weeks by quoting the above.

The company has received a $5m grant from the Bill and Mellinda Gates foundation to accelerate the development of the Cellectra® delivery device.

I didn't realize Bill Gates can be this stupid, you know. He should've consulted you first. I'm sure you can easily Google his contact information. Let him know he's wasting his money...


Gate's foundation donates money to fight every epidemic. Sometimes a cure is found, sometimes not and containment was the solution. In the search for a cure, lots of money is wasted but it's not stupid throwing away money. We need to try to find a cure but success is not guaranteed. Based on history of trying to create a vaccine and treatments for coronaviruses, including for a weak common cold, nothing has ever been found. Those clinical trials you refer to with great numbers is what the labs advertise. Big money and fame is involved. WHO and CDC have not agreed with those labs assessments on SARS and MERS and still say at their websites a vaccine and treatment have never been found after all these years but they continue to give people hope saying they are working on a solution. Don't be surprised 10 years from now WHO and CDC say at their websites they are still looking for a solution to COVID-19. It's possible WHO and the CDC will accept defeat and may approve something that only works for a small percentage of people but don't expect something to be invented for all people. If it gives you hope that something will be found, believe what you need to believe to give you peace of mind.

If you want an idea of the magnitude of the problem, look at what is going on. First our government proposed 2 billion dollars to fight the virus, then 8 billion, then 50 billion and now 2 trillion. This all happened in a very short time. 2 trillion is what they feel is needed to fight this first outbreak in America but a lot more is needed to solve the rest of the world's fight against the virus. If this virus is allowed to infect every person on earth once, we will lose more people than we did in WWII. Just think if it's allowed to infected us multiple times over our lifetimes. If there is one time in our lives to jump on Noah's Ark, this is it. Unfortunately there is no Noah's Ark(vaccine).

Not what I wrote nor what the Stanford Professors wrote.  The number is higher, but not as high as the panicked proclaim. 


If what you wrote it true, that the Stanford professors say the mortality rate can be as low as .01%, they are saying it can be ten times less  deadlier than the flu which as a mortality rate of .1%. It is a good article to put out there to reduce panic though. You will see many more of them every week because if repeated enough, it becomes true.
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« Reply #1312 on: March 25, 2020, 09:26:47 AM »
Gate's foundation donates money to fight every epidemic. Sometimes a cure is found, sometimes not and containment was the solution. In the search for a cure, lots of money is wasted but it's not stupid throwing away money. We need to try to find a cure but success is not guaranteed. Based on history of trying to create a vaccine and treatments for coronaviruses, including for a weak common cold, nothing has ever been found. Those clinical trials you refer to with great numbers is what the labs advertise. Big money and fame is involved. WHO and CDC have not agreed with those labs assessments on SARS and MERS and still say at their websites a vaccine and treatment have never been found after all these years but they continue to give people hope saying they are working on a solution. Don't be surprised 10 years from now WHO and CDC say at their websites they are still looking for a solution to COVID-19. It's possible WHO and the CDC will accept defeat and may approve something that only works for a small percentage of people but don't expect something to be invented for all people. If it gives you hope that something will be found, believe what you need to believe to give you peace of mind.

If you want an idea of the magnitude of the problem, look at what is going on. First our government proposed 2 billion dollars to fight the virus, then 8 billion, then 50 billion and now 2 trillion. This all happened in a very short time. 2 trillion is what they feel is needed to fight this first outbreak in America but a lot more is needed to solve the rest of the world's fight against the virus. If this virus is allowed to infect every person on earth once, we will lose more people than we did in WWII. Just think if it's allowed to infected us multiple times over our lifetimes. If there is one time in our lives to jump on Noah's Ark, this is it. Unfortunately there is no Noah's Ark(vaccine).


This post bore no RELEVANCE to the CLAIMS and DECLARATION you made above.


Here, I found the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation contact page: http://www.gatesfoundation.org/who-we-are/general-information/contact-us

Knock yourself out.


edit: Billy. not busting your apples, man. None of us are epidemiologist, virologist, Dr. Fauci's offspring, or even on Dr. Birx's lustful wish list...thus, none of us are 'experts' to this current event. We're here to converse and share info, is all... Don't let that fact gets lost..

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« Reply #1313 on: March 25, 2020, 09:36:08 AM »

Respectfully,
From a known exceptional and resilient Patriot.

Most of us already understand Samuel Johnson and his referring to    

"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel." ..

I prefer this test of his:

"A patriot is necessarily and invariably a lover of the people. But even this mark may sometimes deceive us.......The people is a very heterogeneous and confused mass of the wealthy and the poor, the wise and the foolish, the good and the bad. Before we confer on a man, who caresses the people, the title of patriot, we must examine to what part of the people he directs his notice."



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« Reply #1314 on: March 25, 2020, 09:41:50 AM »
Gee...I thought it was Mel Gibson.
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« Reply #1315 on: March 25, 2020, 09:46:40 AM »
This post bore no RELEVANCE to the CLAIMS and DECLARATION you made above.


Just Google for past efforts. MERS came out in 2012 and 5 years later the 2017 article below shows Some governments and the Gates Foundation donating hundreds of million of dollars to find a vaccine for MERS and other viruses. Of course they failed on MERS and SARS but they may have been successful against viruses that's related to flus.

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2017/01/new-460-million-effort-takes-aim-mers-lassa-nipah

No matter how powerful Google is, there isn't a claim Google can find from a legitimate source that a vaccine or treatment was invented for SARS and MERS which are also dangerous coronaviruses. You will find many labs tout success but none of their products were ever approved. I wish I could find a legitimate source that says a vaccine for a coronavirus, any coronavirus have been found. There is none. Have hope a vaccine will be found but prepare your life as if a vaccine will never be found.
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« Reply #1316 on: March 25, 2020, 10:05:22 AM »
many white men speak with forked tongue
it is wise to not listen to what your ears tell you about what they said...

the truth is not in words
for an animal knows truth, yet knows not a single word...

the truth comes to the brain straight from your eye
‘tis not by accident your occulus is called an Iris
IRIS was the goddess of the rainbow and the messenger of the Olympian gods

your eyes on the inside
can see more than the ones on the outside
some of us more than others

since most of them big werdz is hard for all you silly-assed rednecks to grasp
let the truth come to you instead through your eyes
and just see the truth
and not listen to ANY words that represent the truth

here is the visual evidence, ladies and gentleman of the Jury, that will establish the defendant’s guilt beyond a reasonable doubt

because if you silly-assed rednecks just look at the little picture
you will verify what I have been tellin ya’ll here for weeks....

1. the USA has the highest virus growth rate of any country on earth!!!   we’re #1
2. because of #1, in a couple of more days, we are also going to have the highest number of infected people in the world. again #1

1. highest virus growth rate
3. highest total number of infected

7 weeks ago, we had a total of 5 confirmed cases from travelers...
anyone starting to grasp the situation yet
or are you still trying to cling to the very last shred of denial?

Gator,
death rate will be proportional to quality of medical care and number of cases and when you have to implement triage on over 60 and "medically challenged"
currently in the USA, it is at 1.5% but I expect it to go up when ventilators and ICU beds will be gone and then when triage is implemented...
in addition by summer's end, we will lose 10% of our medical personnel to the virus....
some by suicide

and you are in year zero of "After Corona", just a couple of months in...
if you were comparing the effect of the Corona virus on human destiny over the next decade
to climbing Mount Everest
we just took the second step today....

now do you understand?


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« Reply #1317 on: March 25, 2020, 10:57:57 AM »
Ummn I can't believe some of the rubbish these nurses & doctors accept wearing. If it was me I would have popped down to my local Screwfix or Toolstation DIY/Trade chain and bought myself a proper mask. Those paper masks are crap, even the slightly better ones with the breathing piece. Pretty much everyone who has upgraded themselves to the proper rubber masks agree they are so much better. I have one and breathing through them is so much easier, virtually natural, very little co2 build up. It must be murder having those cheap paper masks on all day when for around £20 they could have bought themselves a nice comfortable and safer rubber one that seals all the way around & has proper straps to hold them in/on.

I kind of get the impression that a lot of people are conditioned in this country into thinking they have to wear the rubbish PPE their employer gets them. It's nearly always cheap poor quality rubbish as they don't want to spend the money. For a long time now I've put the sense of 'the Employer should provide PPE' which of course by law they should and just got some decent stuff anywhere so long as the cost wasn't exhorbitant/prohibitive. No way would I be seen dead working their job with the measly crap most governments seem to give them.

In WWII this country produced loads of gas masks for the population of London and probably the military has loads. Yet our government can't seem to provide the same for these nurses & doctors. One video I saw of them gowning up involved a plastic visor, a paper mask, a plastic apron type of thing and nitrile gloves. Sending them in, in that gear I reckon the government aren't too concerned about losing some of them.
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« Reply #1318 on: March 25, 2020, 11:37:58 AM »
rubbish?
I used to dream of wearing rubbish during the plague...
aye lad,
when I was young, I used to have spend all day in the plague pit to find one tiny scrap of cloth
and I'd have to cut that up and share it equally with all the other survivors that were left...
back then, I would dream of finding a used diaper or something more substantial
but no such luck, fortune did not smile upon me with much favor
lucky then just to get a few scraps at a time
aye, they was hard times back then, they was...
before ye go me brother, can ye spare a bit...
ahh bless ye kind sir (doffs hat)
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« Reply #1319 on: March 25, 2020, 11:47:04 AM »
Trench,

A\ decent 3m ABC mask with filters will run you around 50 bucks.  Long term use will cause chafing etc.  Give it a try and wear yours for a week 10-12 hours a day.  It gets tiring very quickly to wear one and communicating is muffled.  Can't have a bunch of medical folks asking 'waat?' when trying to save someone.

The reason disposable masks are used is that they should be changed for every patient.  The mask would have to be sanitized and filters changed (20 bucks) as the filters cannot be sanitized.

A mask costs 50 cents.
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« Reply #1320 on: March 25, 2020, 12:00:23 PM »
Here are CDC approved masks based off manufacture and level of protection. Please don't hoard the masks but buy one just to go out shopping for food if you feel you need one. Do not buy Chinese no name brand masks since their advertised level of protection may not be true.

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npptl/topics/respirators/disp_part/default.html
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« Reply #1321 on: March 25, 2020, 12:04:44 PM »
For the fourth day in a row the trend of new cases in Italy continues to decrease.
Just saying it like it is.

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« Reply #1322 on: March 25, 2020, 12:23:08 PM »
For the fourth day in a row the trend of new cases in Italy continues to decrease.

Unfortunately, the number of active infections in the US has now exceeded those in Italy.

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« Reply #1323 on: March 25, 2020, 12:29:54 PM »
Not surprising really..much larger population...but it will plateau there too before too long.

The big surprise is how Russia has hardly been touched in comparison.

Maybe drinking Vodka makes the virus ineffective.
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« Reply #1324 on: March 25, 2020, 12:46:58 PM »
Not really.  Russia started all the measures the WHO recommends (testing, identifing cases, tracing contacts, social isolation and quarantine) very early.  It closed its border with China.  It tested those at airports arriving  from Asia and Iran It threatened Chinese nationals who did not self quarantine with deportation.  Initially, all those infected were isolated in hospital.  Moscow is now allowing those with mild cases to be treated at home. 

It is possible that Russia is manipulating statistics.  It's done so in the past.  Finally, Russian epidemiologists have stated that the infection curve hasn't hit yet.

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