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« Reply #1550 on: March 29, 2020, 10:17:45 AM »
No, not agitated at all. Disappointed, yes.

The substance of Trump's opinion to quarantine New York, etc. was not only valid, it was consistent with the widely accepted policies of "stay at home"  and "self-isolation of infected."

The style of how it was delivered and the "devil in the details"  gave the opportunity to criticize it.  And some anti-Trumpers leaped.  It reminded me of the cry of "racism" against Trump's January directive to ban foreigners who had traveled from China, a directive now viewed in retrospect as both positive and significant.

We should examine the appropriateness of Trump's ideas about how to fight the virus from the Federal perspective, knowing the state and local governments are responsible for fighting the public health battles.   Even more important is Federal government's assistance in replenishing medical supplies.

Nevertheless, we need to differentiate  style vs. substance.  For those who dwell on Trump's style, and ignore substance, I assert you are not helping the war effort.   

This especially applies to expressed aspirations as well.   A message of optimistic hope from our leader is better than pessimism.   After Pearl Harbor, the successes progressively grew from Doolittle's raid to Coral Sea to Midway Island to Guadalcanal to ....Parallels  will come with COVID-19. 

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« Reply #1551 on: March 29, 2020, 10:39:39 AM »
TRIAGE AT FEDERAL LEVEL?


The substance of Trump's opinion to quarantine New York, etc. was not only valid, it was consistent with the widely accepted policies of "stay at home"  and "self-isolation of infected."

I forgot to mention the concept of a quarantine was certainly appropriate given that 56% of the nation's cases each day  were originating from the NYC area.

Other issues will be prompted by the differences among the states with regard to the growth of new cases.   Consider the distribution of ventilators.  If a national shortfall indeed occurs, do we spread the shortfall proportionately among all states?   Or is it first come, first served, i. e., once New York State gets it request for 30,000 additional respirators, other states may have a proportionally larger shortfall?

This is akin to triage at the national level.  Sam Houston chose not to rescue the Alamo, thereby giving Texas more time to prepare for Santa Anna.  Houston lost the battle but won the war.   

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« Reply #1552 on: March 29, 2020, 10:50:11 AM »
Some have put infection rate down to culture. Italians hug and kiss a lot, Germans don't know what that is, lol ;D

Currently, the worst situation is:

Italy
Spain
France
Germany

France also does a fair bit of kissing on greeting but just the females I think, Spain probably also does a bit of that.


A culture that hugs and kisses often can increase infection rate but that doesn't affect death rate. For every 9 Italians that are infected, 6 Germans are infected. Not even double yet Italy has over 20 times more deaths than Germany. Does anybody know if German hospitals are almost as full as Italy's?
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« Reply #1553 on: March 29, 2020, 11:08:16 AM »
A culture that hugs and kisses often can increase infection rate but that doesn't affect death rate. For every 9 Italians that are infected, 6 Germans are infected. Not even double yet Italy has over 20 times more deaths than Germany. Does anybody know if German hospitals are almost as full as Italy's?

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SURELY, you've been to Germany ?

It is considered rude ( in normal circumstances) not to shake hands ...

Italians have't been 'cuddling' for nearly two weeks, Germany has has social distancing in place for a lessor time ..

NO, they aren't as full  - surprised your mate Google / Bing / Yahoo isn't keeping you up to date .. The Germans are taking ICU / ITU patients from neighbouring nations like France and Italy
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« Reply #1554 on: March 29, 2020, 11:11:33 AM »
Gator,

There is a reason why all the playbooks insist on one unified message.  A part of creating a unified message that the populace can understand is to discuss the matter at hand with all the stakeholders and create that message.

Trump is doing it for his own benefit, but ok as you say that is Trump.  It is not however helping matters.  Here and most other places in the world we have one message and one official messenger.  The political spectacle is for all practical purposes inexistent here which is unusual for Italy.

In any case, I think it is far too late for a US lockdown to have much effect. The unruly mentality we have is not conducive to such. To be effective it has to be done as early as possible and nationwide. All one can do is hope or pray if that is your thing, that every city and town in the US doesn't become the next NYC not once, but twice or more times. 

Meanwhile, the lockdown here will be extended but folks see continued progress with a decent prognosis that the number of daily infections will fall later in the coming week.

One picture pretty much says it all as far as the US goes.

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« Reply #1555 on: March 29, 2020, 11:35:29 AM »
Gator,

There is a reason why all the playbooks insist on one unified message.  A part of creating a unified message that the populace can understand is to discuss the matter at hand with all the stakeholders and create that message.   

Whatever message Trump gives will be attacked by the Democrats .... 

Correction:  Whatever message Trump gives will be attacked by the some Democrats focused more on politics and the media. 


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In any case, I think it is far too late for a US lockdown to have much effect.  The unruly mentality we have is not conducive to such.

Its too late for NYC, yet even in NYC continued social distancing is a necessity and will help. 


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One picture pretty much says it all as far as the US goes.

Number of passengers are well below capacity, yet you show a real problem.  I say real because of what Desantis reported yesterday, prompting him to ask Trump to ban New Yorkers, etc.:     

"Speaking during a press conference Saturday afternoon, DeSantis said a traveler who had previously tested positive for COVID-19 was on a flight from a New York City airport to Jacksonville International Airport on Friday when he was intercepted at an airport checkpoint and taken to a local hospital." 

How many went undetected? 

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« Reply #1556 on: March 29, 2020, 12:02:34 PM »
Germany has a more developed economy than Italy, German engineering and likely science is generally thought well off. German people tend to be in general very methodical, technically minded and controlled emotions. Italians tend to lose it emotionally at the slightest thing, prone to illogical outbursts. Italians possibly also lack the ability to organise efficiently on the whole where for Germans it's one of their foremost positive traits, generally.

Just look at how the German car industry has come to be dominant in Europe. Look at WWII also, the Germans were very effective, the Italians very ineffective. Germany had to help out Italy in its entanglements in the war, Italians lost virtually every battle, lol. So it could come down to cultural matters and overall competence at being able to organise effectively.

Take this crises for instance. Some people got their arse in gear early on, organised early, determined what was needed and when, provisioned themselves and were prepared. They recognised the threat, others did not and/or could not organise and prepare themselves. Some wallies even went abroad on holiday as others were flying home to get back in before the gates such or to escape from places like Italy.
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« Reply #1557 on: March 29, 2020, 12:11:24 PM »
Another apparent reason is Germany is testing for Coronavirus far more so a lot of mild cases are appearing in the figures. This will skew the figures into looking like far fewer die. Whereas other countries just include those cases that come forward which are of course the serious cases since they don't then know about the mild cases to include them in the figures.
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« Reply #1558 on: March 29, 2020, 12:35:22 PM »
Germany has a more developed economy than Italy, German engineering and likely science is generally thought well off. German people tend to be in general very methodical, technically minded and controlled emotions. Italians tend to lose it emotionally at the slightest thing, prone to illogical outbursts. Italians possibly also lack the ability to organise efficiently on the whole where for Germans it's one of their foremost positive traits, generally.

Jeez, the Trench 'guide to why DE  is behind the curve, compared to IT'.. because 'the DE economy is more developed' )))))




Trench, you DO realise that the powerhouse of the Italian economy IS the north .. where they make the cars, have all the expensive fashion houses ?

Where was the epicentre of the Italian outbreak ?....


Don't 'think' ...

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« Reply #1559 on: March 29, 2020, 12:38:44 PM »
Gator,

Trump does not even stay on message with his own team.  This is the root of the problem. 
 
He has to play the role of a quarterback, to make sure the play is successful but not necessarily call the strategy which is developed in concert with coaches on the sidelines that have more information at hand.

He is not a team player, never has been never will be.

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« Reply #1560 on: March 29, 2020, 12:50:25 PM »
Its too late for NYC, yet even in NYC continued social distancing is a necessity and will help.

It may help, heck I hope it does for the sake of those dealing with trying to save lives.  It does, however, leave the virus to roam at will, coming back again and again.  It only takes one person to cause a new hotspot undetected, amongst those that strictly followed the rules and remained not infected. Have to remember the vast majority of the population will not be immune until a vaccine is available which is still a big question mark as to 'if' and 'when'.

The national lockdown strategy lets the fire die out.  Thereafter, those entering will need to have a known status. Without it, the fire will burn and burn and burn here and there until the forest is consumed.

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« Reply #1561 on: March 29, 2020, 01:09:20 PM »

Wife has me disinfecting my phone every time I come home. She makes a good point of what's the sense of washing hands when we touch a phone that may have a virus on it afterwards.

Her nursing teacher working at the VA hospital says medical professionals spend an hour getting checked out and to put their PPE gear on before being allowed in the hospital and going to work.

A Ukrainian friend of my wife said 8 members of her family in Massachusetts have the virus. They all live in the same house.

Gas prices continue to go down. Some places in America gas can be had for less than $1.23 a gallon(3.8L)

http://www.gasbuddy.com/GasPriceMap?lat=38.822395&lng=-96.591588&z=4
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« Reply #1562 on: March 29, 2020, 01:11:31 PM »
Thanks, where did you get that info? I'd like to keep updated.


I read it in a Russian newspaper the day it was announced.


I suspect you could find the information on the US State Department website.


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« Reply #1563 on: March 29, 2020, 01:13:34 PM »
Whatever message Trump gives will be attacked by the Democrats .... 

Correction:  Whatever message Trump gives will be attacked by the some Democrats focused more on politics and the media.

Spot on! BC is the male equivalent of Kathy Griffin. Guaranteed he’s hoping upon hope US death rate would pass his beloved Italy so he can get the hopeful opportunity of being able to say ‘I told You so!’

You would think in times like this people would at least give it a rest for a while. Man, I hope Trump wins the next election so BC can squirm for another 4 years.

BC, Italy had suffered over 10k dead despite the wonderful health care system you. Best you pay attention to that because the infection is spreading southward out there.

As for what he’s making a big deal of, quarantining NY/NJ, Cuomo was trying to be coy of not understanding the need of containing New Yorkers is BS. He mandated forced containment of New Rochelle less than a month ago himself.
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« Reply #1564 on: March 29, 2020, 01:16:23 PM »
GQ,

Obviously, you have not been reading my posts.

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« Reply #1565 on: March 29, 2020, 01:21:37 PM »
GQ,

Obviously, you have not been reading my posts.

BC-

What’s happening the world over is unprecedented. No country was prepared to tackle the magnitude of a crisis in this proportion. To constantly trot your silly political jive for whatever reason you believe it justified is just moronic.

Did you even read Hillary’s latest tweet? She would’ve been president if not Trump.
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« Reply #1567 on: March 29, 2020, 01:27:05 PM »
BC-

What’s happening the world over is unprecedented. No country was prepared to tackle the magnitude of a crisis in this proportion. To constantly trot your silly political jive for whatever reason you believe it justified is just moronic.

Did you even read Hillary’s latest tweet? She would’ve been president if not Trump.

What's 'moronic' is suggesting the Presidents flip-flops have anything to do with politics ..

As BC suggested, he's clearly not in control, not a team player ... the nut-job is screwing with lives..

You guys should have been staying at home - not on the f'n golf course 

Jeez, it's not like you've not had enough warnings from the mistakes of other nations
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« Reply #1568 on: March 29, 2020, 01:32:10 PM »
BC-

What’s happening the world over is unprecedented. No country was prepared to tackle the magnitude of a crisis in this proportion.

No doubt there.  Have I posted anything to the contrary?

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To constantly trot your silly political jive for whatever reason you believe it justified is just moronic.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion.  Is anything I posted factually wrong? 

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Did you even read Hillary’s latest tweet? She would’ve been president if not Trump.

No, why should I delve into irrelevant tweets?

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« Reply #1569 on: March 29, 2020, 01:32:52 PM »
Presidents flip-flops


What did the president flip flop on recently? He's been pretty solid with his decisions on how to combat the virus and keep the country running.
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« Reply #1570 on: March 29, 2020, 01:34:56 PM »
Jeez, the Trench 'guide to why DE  is behind the curve, compared to IT'.. because 'the DE economy is more developed' )))))




Trench, you DO realise that the powerhouse of the Italian economy IS the north .. where they make the cars, have all the expensive fashion houses ?

Where was the epicentre of the Italian outbreak ?....


Don't 'think' ...

I'm not talking of a direct correlation when I speak of advanced economy my dear Mobe.

I'm saying that the more advanced an economy in general the better that country will likely do in other areas. That a strong economy will relate to better technology, science understanding, medical development, research, etc, etc. Generally overal it can significantly that a country has got its sh*t together.
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« Reply #1571 on: March 29, 2020, 01:39:24 PM »
UK gov shifting it postion already from 12 weeks for lockdown to six months:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52084517

Expect the six months to be echoed more than the three as time goes on. That's even before we get to flights back on.

So if we count it as beginning of April then we could say not much let up unless we are lucky before the end of September/beginning of October probably at the earliest in most likelihood.
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« Reply #1572 on: March 29, 2020, 01:39:57 PM »
What did the president flip flop on recently? He's been pretty solid with his decisions on how to combat the virus and keep the country running.

I've long understood you're totally inept at spotting 'Trampu' howlers

TRY reading your 'leaders' stance on quarantining "..New York, probably New Jersey, certain parts of Connecticut"  from am to pm ..

 
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« Reply #1573 on: March 29, 2020, 01:49:27 PM »
I'm not talking of a direct correlation when I speak of advanced economy my dear Mobe.

I'm saying that the more advanced an economy in general the better that country will likely do in other areas. That a strong economy will relate to better technology, science understanding, medical development, research, etc, etc. Generally overal it can significantly that a country has got its sh*t together.

So, Switzerland didn't have  it's sh*t together ...  a non EU ( but EEA member - 'coz those things are 'important' to you )

What about NL, B, A ?  Would you say they 'suffer' the S. Med 'malaise' ( pls excuse me, I'm characterising Trench BS)  ..they have proportionally more cases than the UK ( currently)


These nations are ahead of the UK / US in the spread - simple as that ..









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« Reply #1574 on: March 29, 2020, 01:51:13 PM »


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