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« Reply #1676 on: April 01, 2020, 04:11:39 AM »
"They are no longer singing on the balconies" says Salvatore Melluso,a priest at Caritas Diocesana di Napoil,a church-run charity in Naples.

"Now people are more afraid,not so much of the virus,but of poverty.Many are out of work and hungry.There are long queues at food banks ".

Who knew ?

Well I did predict economies going into meltdown on here.




Meanwhile in lockdown,social-distancing and self-isolation UK(going the same way as Italy ) we've now had 1789 Corona virus deaths since our first case on 30th January...success according to Moby.

Whilst in restauarants,bars,schools,ski-resorts,sports centres,hairdressers ,kindergartens still open Sweden where they've only shut-down Universities and banned gatherings of more than 50 people,they've had 180 Corona virus deaths since their first case on …..30th January.



Ho hum.
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« Reply #1677 on: April 01, 2020, 04:33:44 AM »
CB,

Up to date stats for Sweden available here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Sweden#Statistics

That article was written a number of days ago.  Intensive care cases and deaths have risen considerably since then.

They are learning as they go.  First banning groups of 500 then a couple of weeks later 50.  The next may be 5.
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« Reply #1678 on: April 01, 2020, 04:44:15 AM »




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« Reply #1679 on: April 01, 2020, 04:48:11 AM »
That doesn't mean you should attack her.  She's not posting here. 

To be pedantic, moby didn't raise the issue of sunflower seeds.  Maxx did.


This post was composed without the aid of google.


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« Reply #1680 on: April 01, 2020, 05:05:28 AM »
CB,

Up to date stats for Sweden available here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Sweden#Statistics

That article was written a number of days ago.  Intensive care cases and deaths have risen considerably since then.

They are learning as they go.  First banning groups of 500 then a couple of weeks later 50.  The next may be 5.


March 31:
Positive: 4,435
Women :2,107 | Men: 2,328
ICU: 358
Women: 89 | Men: 269
Dead: 180
Women: 75 | Men: 105

http://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6f9f87457ed9aa

Update everyday 14:00

We do VERY little testing, only of you are sick enough to get hospitalized or if you work in healthcare
(so those just showing symptoms and are well enough to stay at home, are not tested)

About 30000 tested so far but orders are to ramp up to test between 10-25000 /week

You should know that Swedes are prone to listen and obey recommendations from the government in a much larger extent then for example France, Spain and Italy, a culture thingy..

That is why they seem more lenient on making laws about these things, and to some extent it is working, our curve seems to look the same as Norway and Denmark that are imposing stricter laws where we have recommendations in place instead.

but then of course, my friend who works at IKEA don't really see a big drop in people visiting, but instead those who DO visit are complaining that IKEA don't provide plastic gloves and hand sanitizers   :rolleyes:
People in general are morons after all.
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« Reply #1681 on: April 01, 2020, 05:10:26 AM »
BC,

    The article about Sweden was written in the Guardian on 28th March.

Yes..deaths and cases in Sweden through Coronavirus have risen since then..but they've risen a LOT more in the UK with all our lock-down,social distancing and self-isolation,which will lead to a lot more deaths non Corona virus related also.
Just saying it like it is.

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« Reply #1682 on: April 01, 2020, 05:19:35 AM »
BC,

    The article about Sweden was written in the Guardian on 28th March.

Yes..deaths and cases in Sweden through Coronavirus have risen since then..but they've risen a LOT more in the UK with all our lock-down,social distancing and self-isolation,which will lead to a lot more deaths non Corona virus related also.

CB,

It takes 2-3 weeks to even start seeing a hint of the effect restrictions have, or not.  Compliance to restrictions is another issue IT had to address with controls and increasing fines.

What restrictions are in place and when were they implemented?  Were they true lockdowns?

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« Reply #1683 on: April 01, 2020, 05:27:33 AM »
BC,

     All restaurants,bars,clubs,schools etc were ordered to close on the evening of 20th March here in the UK...so this is our 12th day of lockdown.

The Police are even enforcing self-isolation in open countryside here... we musn't go to parks .
« Last Edit: April 01, 2020, 05:32:08 AM by Chelseaboy »
Just saying it like it is.

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« Reply #1684 on: April 01, 2020, 05:31:41 AM »
BC,

    The article about Sweden was written in the Guardian on 28th March.

Yes..deaths and cases in Sweden through Coronavirus have risen since then..but they've risen a LOT more in the UK with all our lock-down,social distancing and self-isolation,which will lead to a lot more deaths non Corona virus related also.



Sweden's 'experiment' based on the numbers( today) suggest that it has proportionally more deaths that the UK based on it being ( approx) 7 times less ..

Not many folk, rely on reported cases from western nations - given the varied testing regimes - but deaths are pretty accurate




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« Reply #1685 on: April 01, 2020, 05:37:13 AM »
The UK has 26 deaths/1M population..that's before todays figures have been announced.

Sweden has 24 deaths/IM population ...that's after todays figures have been announced.

Sweden still doing better than the UK then..without lockdown etc etc.
Just saying it like it is.

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« Reply #1686 on: April 01, 2020, 05:39:32 AM »
http://thehill.com/policy/technology/490523-bill-gates-calls-for-nationwide-shutdown-shutdown-anywhere-means-shutdown

The first thought that came to mind is, it’s so easy for Bill to say that considering his personal condition. His house is about 1.5 acres (actual house footage) that sits on almost 6 acres by lake Washington. He probably have an array of helpers fetching whatever strikes his fancy etc...he also have zero concern economically.

His home: http://www.propertyinvestmentproject.co.uk/blog/bill-gates-house/

Of course, I agree on social distancing and lockdowns.
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« Reply #1687 on: April 01, 2020, 05:40:44 AM »

Boe, I was told to never trust you. Last August this was an issue. Why do you dig up old wounds?

Maxx, Maxx, Maxx

I'm not worried about WHO raised the 'semichki' seeds ...   Mr Mistake simply made stuff up ( again )  and was corrected ...


Nothing 'negative' was construed by me in relation to your name being mentioned ;)   


Chillax ! Far more important things to worry about ..



IF, Mr Mistake sought to highlight that my beloved doesn't always heed my 'advice' ... fine ... he's correct ...  I don't eat all the healthy food she eats .. ( advises me to eat )   :popcorn:   




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« Reply #1688 on: April 01, 2020, 05:46:51 AM »
BC,

     All restaurants,bars,clubs,schools etc were ordered to close on the evening of 20th March here in the UK...so this is our 12th day of lockdown.

The Police are even enforcing self-isolation in open countryside here... we musn't go to parks .

We started here with a full national lockdown on the 7th IIRC which got very strict prohibiting movement between towns maybe 10 days or so ago.  Only now starting to see a possible trend downward.

Patience...


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« Reply #1689 on: April 01, 2020, 05:47:19 AM »
The UK has 26 deaths/1M population..that's before todays figures have been announced.

Sweden has 24 deaths/IM population ...that's after todays figures have been announced.

Sweden still doing better than the UK then..without lockdown etc etc.

You might want to use the figures provided from the source Nightwish used ?
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« Reply #1690 on: April 01, 2020, 05:54:54 AM »
I'm happy enough with Worldometer..it's where all the news outlets seem to be getting their figures from.
Just saying it like it is.

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« Reply #1691 on: April 01, 2020, 06:10:00 AM »
I'm happy enough with Worldometer..it's where all the news outlets seem to be getting their figures from.

The figures are not accurate anywhere it seems, regardless of source.

The link I provided is Folkhälsomyndigheten, Department of health, only updated once a day and only what each hospital reports in, so this should be the most accurate I would think, at least that is the official number and probably where most others get their data from, but it still differs depending on what site you look at.

not pointing out anything wrong with your choice, just clarifies my post :)

Population in Sweden per January 2020: 10 333 456

add to that about 120-150 000 illegal immigrants. No one knows for sure.....
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« Reply #1692 on: April 01, 2020, 06:21:14 AM »
Mr Mistake simply made stuff up ( again )  and was corrected ...


Please do tell what was made up?

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« Reply #1693 on: April 01, 2020, 06:26:33 AM »
Please do tell what was made up?

Are you trying to 'out do' BillyB in the obfuscate and deny stakes ?

I will not respond on this thread, but if you want to start a 'blah, blah' thread, HAPPY to illustrate your 'memory issues' ...
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« Reply #1694 on: April 01, 2020, 06:27:15 AM »
563 Corona virus deaths in the UK in the last 24 hours..bringing the total to 2,352.

That makes our deaths per 1m of population as 36..well ahead of Swedens 24...according to worldometer.

Still no evidence of lockdowns,social distancing or self-isolation making any positive difference...with the ensuing suicides and stress related deaths all still to follow due to crashing economies caused by hysteria.
Just saying it like it is.

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« Reply #1695 on: April 01, 2020, 07:11:18 AM »
OK, CB

Let's use Nightwish' figures

Deaths in Sweden leapt up by  59 that's ( from 180)   33% in Sweden  http://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6f9f87457ed9aa   

UK's increase 589 (was 1789, yesterday)  to 2352 31.4%


Let's keep checking the numbers ...

Is CB saying doing nothing would be the right tactic, given Sweden is reducing the numbers of folks that should be gathering ?



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« Reply #1696 on: April 01, 2020, 07:30:24 AM »
Yes i'm saying total lockdown,social distancing and self-isolation is an over-reaction...caused by mass hysteria.

Swedens way of doing it so far is much more sensible...which is the way Boris Johnson wanted to go until being pressurised otherwise by Macron making threats after the ludicrous Imperial College project fear report.

Macron was crapping himself because he knew if things stayed as they were our economy would still be strong after the virus passes,while his would be in tatters...so he seized on the Imperial college report to make demands on Johnson.

Now both economies will be in tatters.....Boris was weak and should have told Macron we won't be dictated to by him or some dodgy report.

This is the same college that caused the unnecessary slaughter of untold cattle and sheep with their project fear foot and mouth disease claims until the Govt Chief scientist stepped in and stopped the carnage.

People at high-risk of death from the Corona virus,such as over 70's and younger people with underlying serious health problems,could have gone into self-isolation for three months ,whilst the rest of the population could have got on with keeping the country/economy alive.
« Last Edit: April 01, 2020, 07:46:32 AM by Chelseaboy »
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« Reply #1697 on: April 01, 2020, 08:13:21 AM »
We started here with a full national lockdown on the 7th IIRC which got very strict prohibiting movement between towns maybe 10 days or so ago.  Only now starting to see a possible trend downward.

All restaurants,bars,clubs,schools etc were ordered to close on the evening of 20th March here in the UK...so this is our 12th day of lockdown.

We do VERY little testing, only of you are sick enough to get hospitalized or if you work in healthcare
(so those just showing symptoms and are well enough to stay at home, are not tested)

About 30000 tested so far but orders are to ramp up to test between 10-25000 /week

You should know that Swedes are prone to listen and obey recommendations from the government in a much larger extent then for example France, Spain and Italy, a culture thingy..

Just from this morning's posts, we see our RWD's European members providing interesting and very useful information about their situations. 

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« Reply #1698 on: April 01, 2020, 09:15:02 AM »
Only now starting to see a possible trend downward.

Patience...

Promising information.  Please keep reporting.   

IS "NUMBER OF HOSPITALIZATIONS" A MORE COMPARABLE VARIABLE?

Testing is important because it is the leading indicator of whether mitigation efforts  are effective.   However, it is apparent that the extent of testing (the denominator) varies widely among the nations, thus limiting comparisons.

In my state of Florida, testing has increased significantly, hitting some constraints along the way, yet still increasing.  Florida has a population of 21 million, about twice Sweden's population,  with more undocumented immigrants than Sweden.  Florida testing:

     65,000 total tests
       6,741 "positive" tests (or 10% of total tests, and 0.3% to date of the population, a percentage
           that will grow.   

Testing has not increased uniformly on a daily basis as different methods are rolled out.   

A variable that should be more consistent (thus, more comparable), is "daily increase in  number of hospitalizations."  I follow hospitalizations in Florida and particularly my county.   The number is still small for my county, such that an outbreak at a senior home would skew the data.  Out of 1.5 million population, only 56 have been admitted to a hospital with 3 deaths. 

Also, I reside north of the densely populated districts within my county,  a few miles from a county that has an even lower rate of hospitalizations.   

Do I assume my risk as negligible?   Florida was one of the states that recently had media reports of its residents and out-of-state tourists congregating on the beaches.  And we had a pastor arrested for holding Sunday services at his megachurch.   Hospitalizations have increased by 25% over the past three days.  Our numbers will increase. I must stay vigilant.  I must  distant socially. 

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« Reply #1699 on: April 01, 2020, 10:02:25 AM »
Do I assume my risk as negligible?   

absolutely not...

Hospitalizations will follow new infections, so is an indicator up to the capacity of the hospitals (which end up full) of course with rest more minor cases sent home.  I would think the number of positive cases (minus deaths and recovered) would be the next indicator to look for in the trend and lastly increase in recoveries vs deaths.

We seem to be in a painfully slow decline stable at between 4-5000 new cases daily with no definite downward trend ..  which is I guess to be expected in a 'flattened' curve scenario  : /

I take it the longer the flat part lasts indicates the effectiveness of the lockdown.  We have at least another month to go for the contained fire to peter out.

 

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