Canadian Gun Ban

[tfcrew]

 Trudeau says legislation on municipal handgun bans coming

Published Sunday, May 3, 2020 2:23PM EDT
OTTAWA -- Prime Minister Justin Trudeau defended his assault-rifle ban on Sunday and promised to go even further by targeting handguns and tightening border security with new legislation introduced in the Parliament. Yet he stopped short of providing a timeline for when such measures would be introduced, saying only that the federal Liberal government would move forward with legislation "when Parliament allows." The comments came during the prime minister's daily COVID-19 news conference after the government on Friday outlawed a wide range of assault-style weapons. The ban did not require parliamentary approval and was instead published in regulations in the Canada Gazette.
Some have said the ban doesn't go far enough and should include handguns while others have argued that it targets legal gun owners and that Ottawa should instead focus on the smuggling of illegal weapons at the border and stronger jail sentences. Trudeau acknowledged his government has more work to do when it comes to guns in Canada, which was why it was working on legislation that will deal with the border, gun storage and handguns.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/trudeau-says-legislation-on-municipal-handgun-bans-coming-1.4922898
I am trying to understand a couple of things... Trudeau has the power to ban guns?
Can't someone be entitled to defend their home from intruders?

[msmob]

After 'we' in the UK experienced wackos massacring kids in a school, 'we' banned hand guns, rifles ( but not shotguns ) from being kept at home.... no more massacres with said weapons... 24 years..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_massacre 

Former world #1 Tennis player Andy Murray was at the school that day with 16 primary school kids, and a teacher lost their lives and 15 others were injured ,, he doesn't like to talk about it .. ( not a surprise )




 

[BC]

Can't someone be entitled to defend their home from intruders?

In many places in the world, it's not necessary. Imagine that.

[Boethius]

The ban is for fast shooting (i.e. multiple round) arms.  There are less than 40,000 of those legally held by individuals in the entire country, and no one requires them.

Trudeau cannot ban weapons.  That will be done by Parliament, in a bill.  The Liberals are in a minority position, and require the support of other parties.  In this case, the NDP and Bloc Québécois will support the bill.

This Liberals campaigned on this promise, and it is supported by 80% of Canadians.  Most urban Canadians, other than criminals, don't own guns.  In Canadian cities, many people don't even bother locking their doors when they are home. In rural areas, shotguns and semi automatic rifles are used for hunting.  Those aren't banned, nor is it contemplated they be banned.

What is required is a crackdown on illegal weapons, mosty smuggled from the U.S.

This post was composed without the aid of google.

[tfcrew]

In many places in the world, it's not necessary. Imagine that.

In many places in the world, it's not necessary...[yet]

[BillyB]

What is required is a crackdown on illegal weapons, mosty smuggled from the U.S.

Those smugglers are hoping Canada bans more guns. It'll boost business. Cracking down on illegal activity is much more beneficial than banning guns.

[msmob]

In many places in the world, it's not necessary...[yet]

'Sure'..  Your murder rate by guns goes up ... and you'll delude yourself that means you need 'more protection' ..

'Funnily enough' in places where they tried what you 'fear', the murder rate falls ..

[tfcrew]

Those smugglers are hoping Canada bans more guns. It'll boost business. Cracking down on illegal activity is much more beneficial than banning guns.

Exactly.
 Canada wasn't really on the murder map at all in relation to the rest of the world.
Now there will be oodles more firearms sold to the Maple Leafs under the table--- way to go Trudeau!
While I'm here there are 3 big USA cities on the map...Baltimore, St Louis, and the ever present Detroit.
The rest belong to the rest of the world accd to wiki----
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate

[tfcrew]

'Sure'..  Your murder rate by guns goes up ... and you'll delude yourself that means you need 'more protection' 

'Funnily enough' in places where they tried what you 'fear', the murder rate falls ..

"More protection"?
My 12 gauge says that's 'nuff protection

[GQBlues]

Exactly.
 Canada wasn't really on the murder map at all in relation to the rest of the world.
Now there will be oodles more firearms sold to the Maple Leafs under the table--- way to go Trudeau!
While I'm here there are 3 big USA cities on the map...Baltimore, St Louis, and the ever present Detroit.
The rest belong to the rest of the world accd to wiki----
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate

Strange they didn't have the city/state with one of the strictest gun control law, Obama's beloved town of Chicago.

[Boethius]

Exactly.
 Canada wasn't really on the murder map at all in relation to the rest of the world.
Now there will be oodles more firearms sold to the Maple Leafs under the table--- way to go Trudeau!
While I'm here there are 3 big USA cities on the map...Baltimore, St Louis, and the ever present Detroit.
The rest belong to the rest of the world accd to wiki----
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate

Handguns are already banned, and always have been in Canada.  They are disproportionately the guns that are smuggled across the border (over 90%), notwithstanding that there is mandatory minimum sentence of three years for trafficking in firearms (maximum 10 years), and a sentence of up to five years for illegal possession of a handgun.  Handguns are disproportionately the guns used in committing crimes.


I doubt there will be a huge increase in smuggling the banned automatic and semi automatic guns listed.  There is just no need for them in a modern society.


This post was composed without the aid of google.

[Davo]

I doubt there will be a huge increase in smuggling the banned automatic and semi automatic guns listed.  There is just no need for them in a modern society.


This post was composed without the aid of google.

There were worries here that the assault rifle ban would create a bigger smuggling problem..... It actually achieved the opposite and killed the smuggling industry. The banned guns rose in price to over $30,000 on the black market, putting them out of reach of the average citizen or criminal.

[tfcrew]

Strange they didn't have the city/state with one of the strictest gun control law, Obama's beloved town of Chicago.

If Chicago is so beloved...then why does Obama live in Wash DC?

[tfcrew]

There were worries here that the assault rifle ban would create a bigger smuggling problem..... It actually achieved the opposite and killed the smuggling industry. The banned guns rose in price to over $30,000 on the black market, putting them out of reach of the average citizen or criminal.

           WARMINGTON: Illegal guns have become easy to buy in Toronto

A gun trafficker showing his illegal product line in a big-box store parking lot in broad daylight? That’s the new reality in Toronto.
Even Mayor John Tory told reporters he was not surprised.
If you look at the year 2019, it actually make sense that a local radio talk-show host could — in just a little more than five hours — get hooked up with a seller of guns and meet to look at the merchandise.
It was a journalistic enterprise that shined a light on the ugly problem. Guns and shootings are common place in Toronto now.

MORE---
http://torontosun.com/news/local-news/warmington-illegal-guns-have-become-easy-to-buy-in-toronto

[GQBlues]

If Chicago is so beloved...then why does Obama live in Wash DC?

I remember 2 years before he finished his second term, they took out an ad and a mural with Harry and Michy standing side by side with Chicago's skyline in the background, and a caption "We're Coming Home!", or something like that. Then the southside brothers gave rise to Marvin's hymn, "Brother, brother, there's far too many of you dyin'"

So it was decided then to use the excuse the gals will finish school in DC. LMAO!

 

[tfcrew]

I remember 2 years before he finished his second term, they took out an ad and a mural with Harry and Michy standing side by side with Chicago's skyline in the background, and a caption "We're Coming Home!", or something like that. Then the southside brothers gave rise to Marvin's hymn, "Brother, brother, there's far too many of you dyin'"

So it was decided then to use the excuse the gals will finish school in DC. LMAO!
 

I think the younger daughter will be going to the University of Michigan. The older [I guess] finished college.

[Boethius]

           WARMINGTON: Illegal guns have become easy to buy in Toronto MORE---
http://torontosun.com/news/local-news/warmington-illegal-guns-have-become-easy-to-buy-in-toronto

Yes, that's a huge problem that needs to be addressed. 

In my city, which is not close to the US border (as Toronto is), guns are not sold openly, but handguns are used by drug dealers.  However, they have learned not to be too "public".  The last time they were (shooting at each other in a restaurant - it was a miracle no one was shot), 40 drug dealers were arrested a few months later in simultaneous raids.  I personally witnessed the takedown of 3 of them in a parking lot as I was waiting to pick up our children.  The drug dealers tried to drive around a roundabout immediately beside me (I was parked), but an unmarked car blocked the entrance and exit.  The drug dealers then jumped the curb but couldn't turn, so they jumped out of the car, only to be tackled by a couple of huge plainclothes officers.  I wouldn't have known it was an arrest, but for the handcuffs that followed immediately thereafter.  Another drug dealer was arrested in the parking garage just beside me a few minutes later.

A few weeks later, I witnessed another takedown on a street, right in front of me as I was driving back to the office from a meeting.  It's interesting to see the police tactic, they basically box the car in, pull weapons, and pull the driver out of the car.  No instructions to me, not even an acknowledgement.  I just continued on my way. There were no cars behind me (I was eastbound, turning south, and there were cars stopped in the southbound lane at a light).  I witnessed a third takedown randomly, again from my car.  All, incidentally, were plainclothes police, all in unmarked cars.  Then, we had years of peace.  There has since been one "civilian" killed by a Rwandan refugee/drug dealer after the parties got into an argument in a parking lot, but, for the most part, their gun deaths are restricted to the drug world.

The better half reminded me of this story.  He read it on a Russian site, where the comments were that Russians would have stolen the store -

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/that-s-canada-for-you-shoppers-leave-cash-ious-at-unlocked-grocery-store-1.4318242

This post was composed without the aid of google.

[msmob]

"More protection"?
My 12 gauge says that's 'nuff protection

GCQ, if you ever paid attention, you'd note that the UK has not banned Shotguns, as long as you have qualified for a licence... somewhat harder to obtain than in many US states ...

http://southdowngunclub.co.uk/which-guns-legal-in-uk/

[Faux Pas]

If Chicago is so beloved...then why does Obama live in Wash DC?

The covid I suspect. Apparently because of Chicago's stringent gun laws there was 70 covid deaths last weekend all with bullet holes

[GQBlues]

I think the younger daughter will be going to the University of Michigan. The older [I guess] finished college.

They’re now living it up at Martha’s Vineyard. Living the high life. That $450k/yr salary really made them afford such luxury.

That ‘Stim Bill’ is still at work.

[Gator]

I witnessed a third takedown randomly, again from my car. 

You drive in dangerous areas.  We avoid them, calling them "rim town," vs. uptown or downtown.   'Rim' means if you have a flat tire, you drive out the area on your rims. 

[ML]

They’re now living it up at Martha’s Vineyard. Living the high life. That $450k/yr salary really made them afford such luxury.

http://youtu.be/L09qnRfZY-k

That ‘Stim Bill’ is still at work.

The Act provides former presidents with a pension.  The pay should equal that of a head of a federal government executive department. In 2020, these Executive Level I employees received $219,200.

They also receive funds for travel, office space, support staff, and mailing costs.

George W. Bush served from 2001-2009. He was the first president to earn $400,000 a year.

As ex-president, Bush receives $1,138,000 per year. That includes $194,000 for staff, and $220,000 in pension and related benefits. He receives $18,000 for travel, $472,000 for office space, and $234,000 for other costs.

[Gator]

In my years in Florida,  I know first hand about three fatal, non-accidental shootings, none of which would have been prevented by a gun ban. 

          -  Taking a break from a daytime antique auction, I walked outside to purchase an afternoon snack from a vendor in the parking lot.  He was in an excited state and pointed to the street corner about 75-100  feet away.  A body lay prone on the pavement and people scurried about in a commotion.  I had missed witnessing the shooting by seconds, and perhaps heard it as I approached the door (I heard something).  About 5 minutes passed before the police arrived.  The newspaper described it as a drug killing. 

          -   The son of a golfing friend was killed at his house in a drug deal gone bad. 

Both were drug killings, and guns are part of the dealers' toolbox for maintaining power.  That will never end regardless of gun bans. 

The third shooting was revenge murder.   We knew a couple whose kids attended the same school as our sons.  We socialized together on occasion. They divorced and a couple of years later, she drove to his house, and emptied her revolver into him.  Then she pistol-whipped his girl friend.  More from a news article:

....after emptying her revolver. She drove to the nearby Sunshine Skyway Bridge and jumped nearly 200 feet into Tampa Bay. The cosmic joke was on her. Instead of evading an ugly trial and lifetime lockup, she survived.

   There are many jumpers each year, and very few survive.   

Would she have committed murder if guns were unobtainable legally?  Years earlier the same woman was questioned about any involvement in the murder of her business partner.   The woman discussed this openly at a school bake sale.  My wife said, "She spoke these bizarre words, 'The police never found any evidence tied to me.'"

This woman is a "bad seed." Her act was premeditated, and if she could not have acquired a handgun, she would have used another weapon, probably a shotgun. I recall her as athletic, enough to wield an ax. 

[BC]

IIRC we have a whole thread on gun related issues.

We really need to repeat all that again?

[GQBlues]

The Act provides former presidents with a pension.  The pay should equal that of a head of a federal government executive department. In 2020, these Executive Level I employees received $219,200.

They also receive funds for travel, office space, support staff, and mailing costs.

George W. Bush served from 2001-2009. He was the first president to earn $400,000 a year.

As ex-president, Bush receives $1,138,000 per year. That includes $194,000 for staff, and $220,000 in pension and related benefits. He receives $18,000 for travel, $472,000 for office space, and $234,000 for other costs.

Yup. But as an accountant, you know of course these alone wouldn't afford anyone the Martha Vineyard's lifestyle. I know they also received 'book deals', 'gifts', etc...which is exactly why I believe the stimulus bill is a gift that reaches far beyond.

If these things doesn't happen, none of our 'elected public officlals' would be in this business after all. I highly doubt any of them comes out destitute after serving offices.