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[Confederate]

Hitler came within 50 miles of Moscow. Should he have defeated the Communists, I wonder what kind of world would we be living in today? Would China and North Korea be our friends? Would Russia be an economic powerhouse bigger than Japan and Germany?

Those are some damn good questions!

[msmob]

For conspiracy theorists, perhaps ...  Some of us deal in reality.. 
.. your know, what ACTUALLY happened.

[GQBlues]

GQB history 101

1/ It wasn't a 'stupid' European war ..the AXIS included Japan. Your President at the time HAD a clue, it was the Germans and fippin' Oirish who forgot they were now American that wanted him to sit on his arse.. IF the US had joined in earlier, the war would have been over quicker ..  Hitler thought he could polish off the Soviets, get his oil and then deal with Europe. and then the US would still not want a war ..

2/ Japan attacking Pearl Harbour was what changed the course of the war in that it would end earlier, but Hitler was already fighting out a stalemate in the battle of Moscow and would be in retreat by Dec 41 , in the north, ultimately leading to Paulus' army in Stalingrad being cut off and full retreat in the south of the Soviet Union.  America and the western European allies 'helped' to the extend of convoys until Soviet industry came on strong to the east of the Urals .

3/ Stalin constantly chided the allies to open up the second front - they didn't actually land on occupied European teritory until mid '43 .

4/ When it was clear that Hitler was defeated, it became a rush to seize Nazi intellectual property and the WHOLE reason for the war starting was to free Poland and other nations invaded prior to the declaration from tyranny.

It's at times like this when I REALLY miss Sando, as he'd have been all over your historical howlers

1. It was a fuc@king STUPID European war! Greed, territories and raping and taking other country's resources. You can try and convince anyone interested that it was somehow some holy European benevolent causes, go have at it...

2. Had it not been for Roosevelt blocking attempts to exclude the Soviet Union from receiving US assistance via lend lease bill In 1941, SU would've been on the sh!t creek because they were precariously running out of much needed supplies. *US steel, Russian blood* Ever heard of the phrase? Lot's of SPAM, too.

3. That STUPID European war due to greed, territorial grab and raping other country's resources ended because the allies, including the Soviet Union, engaged Hitler on two fronts.

adios...

[Boethius]

Tell the descendants of the 15-20 million dead Chinese that WWII was a "European" war.


This post was composed without the aid of google.

[GQBlues]

Tell the descendants of the 15-20 million dead Chinese that WWII was a "European" war.

This post was composed without the aid of google.

No need. They know. Europeans were raping and murdering millions of them for their resources. Europeans were all over that world doing exactly that for centuries. So Asian folks know both WW I & II are nothing more than greedy Europeans grabbing territories, raping and murdering everyone in the world and taking their resources due to greed. Cannibalizing each other for it. From Africa, to Brazil, from India to Persia.

Thousand are still dying today because of it. Go ahead, Google. You know you want to.

[Confederate]

No need. They know. Europeans were raping and murdering millions of them for their resources. Europeans were all over that world doing exactly that for centuries. So Asian folks know both WW I & II are nothing more than greedy Europeans grabbing territories, raping and murdering everyone in the world and taking their resources due to greed. Cannibalizing each other for it. From Africa, to Brazil, from India to Persia.

Thousand are still dying today because of it. Go ahead, Google. You know you want to.

 

Well said.

These parades and remembrances are carefully orchestrated propaganda by TPTB who hope to inspire current and future generations to go into more conflicts and wars with carefully crafted lies and appeals to “patriotism”.

[Boethius]

No need. They know. Europeans were raping and murdering millions of them for their resources. Europeans were all over that world doing exactly that for centuries. So Asian folks know both WW I & II are nothing more than greedy Europeans grabbing territories, raping and murdering everyone in the world and taking their resources due to greed. Cannibalizing each other for it. From Africa, to Brazil, from India to Persia.

Thousand are still dying today because of it. Go ahead, Google. You know you want to.

It wasn't Europeans who returned a total 65 Chinese POWs after WWII.  It wasn't Europeans who held contests on who could decapitate the most civilians with a sword.  It wasn't Europeans who slaughtered 10-15 million Chinese in WWII.

It wasn't Europeans who took Koreans as "comfort women" during WWII.  It wasn't Europeans who perpetrated the Manila massacre in 1945.

If you want to go back a little further, it wasn't Europeans who were responsible for the rape of Nanking.

Go back further still, read some history, and you will learn that Slavs, for example, were being raped and pillaged, rather routinely, by Asians.

Human greed and atrocity knows no race nor creed.

You go ahead and google.  Or for a change, pick up a book.  You may actually learn something.

This post was composed without the aid of google.

[Shadow]

No need. They know. Europeans were raping and murdering millions of them for their resources. Europeans were all over that world doing exactly that for centuries. So Asian folks know both WW I & II are nothing more than greedy Europeans grabbing territories, raping and murdering everyone in the world and taking their resources due to greed. Cannibalizing each other for it. From Africa, to Brazil, from India to Persia.

Thousand are still dying today because of it. Go ahead, Google. You know you want to.

And most of thoe decided to emigrate to a new world

[msmob]

1. It was a fuc@king STUPID European war! Greed, territories and raping and taking other country's resources. You can try and convince anyone interested that it was somehow some holy European benevolent causes, go have at it... 

Facts are always your downfall, GQB ... The Second World War started in Europe.. and ended in ,,,,?

2. Had it not been for Roosevelt blocking attempts to exclude the Soviet Union from receiving US assistance via lend lease bill In 1941, SU would've been on the sh!t creek because they were precariously running out of much needed supplies. *US steel, Russian blood* Ever heard of the phrase? Lot's of SPAM, too.

Who's arguing this point ...  ?

3. That STUPID European war due to greed, territorial grab and raping other country's resources ended because the allies, including the Soviet Union, engaged Hitler on two fronts.

adios...

Hmm, that 'stupid' war in the Pacific in which many Commonwealth countries found themselves alongside the USA..   

[GQBlues]

And most of thoe decided to emigrate to a new world

How appropriate being spoken by a Dutch!

[Shadow]

How appropriate being spoken by a Dutch!

Yup we did a great job transporting the future labour force.

[2tallbill]

Uh, because it probably is a Soviet song?

This post was composed without the aid of google.

He named the other Artists Vera Lynn British, Glen Millar (spelled wrong)
American and Edith Piaf French but the other was Soviet, hence the question.
If he hadn't spelled Glen Miller wrong I would have bothered to ask.

[Gator]

Yup we did a great job transporting the future labour force.

Some of your forefathers did attempt to colonize the New World in the 17th C, with many Dutch coming as fur traders and settling along the Hudson River where a few Dutch names to locales survive today.    The Dutch swindled the Natives out of Manhattan Island and established New Amsterdam.  In 40 years it became New York after back and forth skirmishing and trading with the English (I believe you received Surinam out of such a trade).  There are some opinions that the term "Yankee" derives from Dutch names.     

And over the centuries the Netherlands has been a good friend to the US, even being the first nation to salute the American flag (St. Eustatius).     

[GQBlues]

Yup we did a great job transporting the future labour force.

Yeah..and look at the fine mess you got us into?

[LAman]

Some of your forefathers did attempt to colonize the New World in the 17th C, with many Dutch coming as fur traders and settling along the Hudson River where a few Dutch names to locales survive today.    The Dutch swindled the Natives out of Manhattan Island and established New Amsterdam.  In 40 years it became New York after back and forth skirmishing and trading with the English (I believe you received Surinam out of such a trade).  There are some opinions that the term "Yankee" derives from Dutch names.     

And over the centuries the Netherlands has been a good friend to the US, even being the first nation to salute the American flag (St. Eustatius).   

Were in grade school at the time?? ))

[Gator]

Were in grade school at the time?? ))

Yes, and I listened on the radio to the famous Dutchman, Little Richard. 

[LAman]

Yes, and I listened on the radio to the famous Dutchman, Little Richard.

Little Richard? Who's that. I am such a young lad!!! Don't pay much attention to ancient history!!

[Gator]

It's a joke in multiple ways.  Shadow may not know about Little Richard, perhaps thinking he was an English King after Richard the Lion  Hearted.     

[LAman]

It's a joke in multiple ways.  Shadow may not know about Little Richard, perhaps thinking he was an English King after Richard the Lion  Hearted.   

In studying the past kings/queens of England and France, and knowing how they were always fighting, they were actually intertwined. I get confused with the Richard's, Henry's, Edward's, Charles', Arthur's and George's

[ML]

In studying the past kings/queens of England and France, and knowing how they were always fighting, they were actually intertwined. I get confused with the Richard's, Henry's, Edward's, Charles', Arthur's and George's

If you want to read about someone who is really intertwined . . . check out wikipedia regarding current Prince Philip, husband of Queen Elizabeth.  Quite a fascinating family background.

[LAman]

If you want to read about someone who is really intertwined . . . check out wikipedia regarding current Prince Philip, husband of Queen Elizabeth.  Quite a fascinating family background.

I'll check it out.
Pretty cool charts of European Monarchies:

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5Ag9n-o0IZD41_L1X1l0PdNsqtNr0aJY

[Shadow]

It's a joke in multiple ways.  Shadow may not know about Little Richard, perhaps thinking he was an English King after Richard the Lion  Hearted.   

I am not that unculturred that I would presume Little Richard to be the name of a small male member. 
As for the influence of the Dutch it is well known. We even provided you with a guy in a red suit that drinks a lot of Coke.

[Confederate]

Those are some damn good questions!

Bump!

[krimster2]

my father's youngest brother fought in the US Marines to liberate your little island in '45, probably while your relatives were hiding...
a good portion of the soldiers doing the fighting to liberate Phillipinas, were Hispanic from Texas and New Mexico
10% of the men who died during the Bataan death march were Hispanic
racist ass-holes can go to hell where they belong


"We even provided you with a guy in a red suit that drinks a lot of Coke."

Sinter Klaus!!! aka "Santa Claus" for those who don't speak a little Dutch



good gawd, I'd like to be chillin in a coffee house in the 'Dam right now, the weather would be perfect...
and Dutch coffee house hostesses are AWESOME!!  god, how much I miss the world before Corona....