How much more successful might a FSW be in the west?

[Trenchcoat]

So as a break from the Coronavirus & politics I thought I would field a question that intrigues my mind every so often. That of how much more successful might a FSW be in the west?

What I'm talking about here are girls that score highly in a particular area but lack the opportunity in the FSU (other than Eastern Bloc) to capitalise on their particular talent. Now we all know in the west in general you have to hit it pretty much on the mark to win big, a few get lucky but in general you need to score high enough in your given area to make it. So a pop star would likely need around an 8 - 10 in terms of singing voice etc to make it. A model would need an 8 - 10 in terms of looks to make it or at least get a look in, etc, etc.

My thought is how often do we hear how beautiful FSW are with pretty girls a frequent occurrence out in those parts. More than that a fair few can even look like celebrity doubles, lol. Now some of us can have access to these women that wouldn't look at us twice in the west. That said even then the boat can only be pushed out so far.

During my time in the FSU, I met with a Belarusian girl in Minsk who was very talented as a singer coming second in an International Singing contest. She also had a lot of experience in the theatre. It made me wonder what chances she might have had in her young years in the west. Another girl that I dated in Ukraine had model looks facially and easily would fall into the 8 - 10 looks category. Yet she came from a poor background and lived in a concrete block apartment in a poor mostly unattractive provincial city well away from Kiev. I couldn't help but think that she would have been snapped up by some rich guy in the west whereas most local men would fall far short of what she was after. That and she was working in a low paid retail job whereas in the west model looking women can usually get something better through men wanting them around for the eye candy.

So what do you guys reckon the likelihood is that many of these women taken out off their predicament during their young adult years could do better for themselves than if they stayed in their rut inf the FSU?

[Shadow]

The ones that have the talent will make enough in the FSU not to be willing yo leave ther area. Being pretty is not enough to be a model, nor is having a good voice enough to make it as a singer.

[msmob]

I can read Trench's title thread and Shadow's response..

I'm wondering why Trench (the misogynist serial fail on the UK and FSU dating scene )  is concerned, as he:

1/ Hasn't lasted long enough with any lass to be close to importing one

2/ doesn't earn enough to support a FSU partner - by his own admission

Most FSU partners take some considerable time to get commensurate work / remuneration at the level they had as western institutions do not respect FSU qualies at the same level, particularly the UK ( and I have plenty of evidence of that )

Sorry, Trench .. You'll be out of pocket for some time, before you see a return on any 'investment'

[Trenchcoat]

The ones that have the talent will make enough in the FSU not to be willing yo leave ther area. Being pretty is not enough to be a model, nor is having a good voice enough to make it as a singer.

You have a lot of wisdom Shadow It is likely true. The girl I met in Belarus, she was attractive in an everyday sort of way and personality was ok but nothing special. I get the impression in the theatre she did well but no talent exceeding that. She sent me audio of her singing, she was good at that probably better than her acting/theatre stuff I got the impression, but again I think she hadn't made it all those years for a reason. She was around 30 and getting over the hill in terms of being seen as I viable prospect for something big, that would have happened already in her twenties if she had it enough. If fate had not delivered opportunity by poor luck then she was in the very late part of being in the frame at all and so unlikely.

The girl I state had model looks, well facially she was model looks in terms of being model looking to guys in terms of relationships and being very photogenic while being naturally beautiful also. However, in terms of the modelling industry she wouldn't have made it as a catwalk model - not tall enough nor slim enough (though I wouldn't say she was fat). She didn't have that gaunt facial look a lot of catwalk models seem to have. That didn't bother me as I never find catwalk models very attractive. She had more dating style model looks that most guys would find appealing. Beyond that possibly some commercial type of model looks say if it were for a cosmetics and, maybe a fashion magazine, etc. I don't think she was far out (and of course we are talking top level competition here) but I think she probably just fell short. If she had been a little bit taller and slightly slimmer build she would likely be in the frame more for actual modelling stuff. Without that then really more a very attractive girl for the guys really I guess. I think many girls on FSU dating sites would struggle to compete with here on looks so that in itself is pretty impressive especially for Ukraine where there are a lot of attractive girls.

[Shadow]

Trenchcoat you would be shocked when meeting most real models. They are without makeup not overly attractive, but their face can be very versatile by t right makeup artist to support different looks. As for body, they are mostly just a coat hanger and forms are created by the people dressing them. Having spent some time in sports fashion, we rarely used fashion models as it was too much trouble making them look like an actual sports woman apart from the attitude.

[BillyB]

What I'm talking about here are girls that score highly in a particular area but lack the opportunity in the FSU (other than Eastern Bloc) to capitalise on their particular talent.

There's more opportunity for people with talent in Western nations to go further. Immigrants almost always do better in the USA than at home.

GQ's wife makes over six figures. She may be the richest FSU woman a guy is married to on this forum. My wife is approaching the end of her nursing program and will make close to six figures when she gets a job. She'll later study to become a nurse practitioner and easily make over six figures. The other day she told my friend she will support me should I want to back to school but confessed I'm smarter than teachers to which I replied "Going back to school now would waste my time". ML's wife is a professor at a university. IIRC, an old member here JB's wife was also a university professor. SteveinBoston's gal has plans on opening a chain of stores even before coming here. She's had success back home and she probably feels she can achieve more here. There's an initial cost in marrying and supporting an FSU woman but in the end, it can be considered the best investment a guy ever made. But if a guy wants to lock up his woman in a closet, he shouldn't expect her to go far.

[msmob]

Reading about these FSU wives married to US guys on 'six figure' sums had me thinking ..  IF the GBP was stable ( 'thank you 'Brexit' ) and at ! GBP to  1.33 USD ( as it was pre 'our' suicide mission ) 'six figures would be c.£65K which is  still £5k/month ..and this is WAY above the UK average ..

We don't have the onerous medical bills so, I'm going to say that's c. £45k  which is STILL more than any FSU wife married to a Brit... ( unless he is sharing his income / dividends, to reduce taxes )

So.. Trench , you'd better sell up and find a divorced FSU wife in the US

[Trenchcoat]

Reading about these FSU wives married to US guys on 'six figure' sums had me thinking ..  IF the GBP was stable ( 'thank you 'Brexit' ) and at ! GBP to  1.33 USD ( as it was pre 'our' suicide mission ) 'six figures would be c.£65K which is  still £5k/month ..and this is WAY above the UK average ..

We don't have the onerous medical bills so, I'm going to say that's c. £45k  which is STILL more than any FSU wife married to a Brit... ( unless he is sharing his income / dividends, to reduce taxes )

So.. Trench , you'd better sell up and find a divorced FSU wife in the US

Mobe will never know that he has just devised my retirement plan for me

[SteveInBoston]

These are outliers.

Pretty FSW women, even talented women, would not necessarily do well in the West.  Most would not.  Because an important factor is drive and ambition.

The ladies we here married, the one factor they all share is that they had the intelligence and drive and language skills to meet Western men.  And all were impressive.  ML searched and met many women, and out of those multitudes his wife stood out.

There are many successful Western women, and many more unsuccessful.  The same ratio applies to FSW women, more or less.  Women are women.

Having said that, I think certain women can make more money here, when they are doing fine over there.  There was this one young lady in Kharkiv who I went to to cut my hair.  She is young, skilled and very beautiful.  She made good money there ($20 haircut), but I was thinking that if she worked in downtown LA or NY, or even Boston, she could easily charge $100 or more.

[msmob]

IF a FSU woman comes to the west  ( with a diplom ) and hopes to continue at a commensurate level in management, accounting  or healthcare, she will be in for a shock ..

Those that have a head for biz and are supported by their hubbies often study for local qualies to be 'recognised' and THEN do well. 

That period of re-adjustment is when the local partner is to be relied on

[ML]

IF a FSU woman comes to the west  ( with a diplom ) and hopes to continue at a commensurate level in management, accounting  or healthcare, she will be in for a shock ..

Those that have a head for biz and are supported by their hubbies often study for local qualies to be 'recognised' and THEN do well. 

That period of re-adjustment is when the local partner is to be relied on

No big shock for those with degrees in accounting.  If they have English skills, they can start to work almost immediately . . . but perhaps at lower levels such as book keeper initially.  But if work  is satisfactory, they can move on to junior accountant fairly quickly, then to senior accountant, ect.  The CPA designation (Chartered Accountant) in UK will take longer to achieve, but is not necessary for those who work in the business sector.

Same with health care workers.  With basic English, they can start immediately as nurses aides, etc.  Then progress over time to re-certify as nurses, lab techs,  etc.  For those who want to re-certify as MDs, the road is longer and tougher.  Some FSU MDs opt to go the Physician Assistant route in USA which pays $100,000+ out of the gate.  Nurses can upgrade to Nurse Practitioner which also pays close to $100,000 starting.

I wish my FSU spouse had been in one of the above professions rather than teaching profession.  The big advantage for teaching profession, is the summer off to return to visit family in FSU.

[msmob]

I'm sorry, ML but WHERE do you get your 'info' re the UK ?

It is my current bete noir that the UK NARIC is systematically downgrading FSU tertiary qualies compared with our neighbours in Ireland, France, Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany and Cyprus.

1/ Russian Medical Doctors coming here cannot practice and must complete UK courses and work place practical - this will take 3-5 years

2/ My RU programmer friend has a red banner diplom with the equiv of a distinction and was told it was a mere BSc in the UK, when it is a good Masters  in the US / and most EU nations

3/ Accounting ? : Even if you've qualified with a Russian Auditor Qualification Certificate you'll need to requalify with a UK recognised degree level - but you get a whole six exemptions... normal time period 2 years

[pitbull]

Smart FSU women would do well in the US specifically because “connections” and sleeping with the boss is not a requirement for a successful career. Professionalism, personality and brains is this requirement, not the tight ass.
Being good looking doesn’t hurt but not the main prerequisite

[pitbull]

These are outliers.

Pretty FSW women, even talented women, would not necessarily do well in the West.  Most would not.  Because an important factor is drive and ambition.

The ladies we here married, the one factor they all share is that they had the intelligence and drive and language skills to meet Western men.  And all were impressive.  ML searched and met many women, and out of those multitudes his wife stood out.

There are many successful Western women, and many more unsuccessful.  The same ratio applies to FSW women, more or less.  Women are women.

Having said that, I think certain women can make more money here, when they are doing fine over there.  There was this one young lady in Kharkiv who I went to to cut my hair.  She is young, skilled and very beautiful.  She made good money there ($20 haircut), but I was thinking that if she worked in downtown LA or NY, or even Boston, she could easily charge $100 or more.

Color and cut for medium length hair at a good salon in Boston is about $400

[krimster2]

before Corona my wife owned 3 skin salons in the North Houston area and had an income to match an MD
not any more...

successful self employed people do better than professionals who work for others
my neighbor has a high school diploma, but owns one of the largest roofing companies in Houston with around 30 employees and the business grosses 12 miilion USD/yr
if he were in Ukraine he'd be making 300 USD/month
that's the difference

[Confederate]

before Corona my wife owned 3 skin salons in the North Houston area and had an income to match an MD
not any more...

successful self employed people do better than professionals who work for others
my neighbor has a high school diploma, but owns one of the largest roofing companies in Houston with around 30 employees and the business grosses 12 miilion USD/yr
if he were in Ukraine he'd be making 300 USD/month
that's the difference

yeah but let’s all vote for the (formerly) demokkkratic party of Amerika so we can become more like Ukraine: high taxes, high poverty, “free” healthcare.

[Confederate]

Color and cut for medium length hair at a good salon in Boston is about $400

So you need not sleep with the boss in America but that “tight ass” gets worked over by the local salon?

 

Honestly though there must be an excellent stylist in the surrounding area for only about $65 to $100, yes?

I really cannot tell the difference between a $100 cut and color and a more pricey one.

However we all have our “vices” when it comes to clothes and style.

[pitbull]

So you need not sleep with the boss in America but that “tight ass” gets worked over by the local salon?

 

Honestly though there must be an excellent stylist in the surrounding area for only about $65 to $100, yes?

I really cannot tell the difference between a $100 cut and color and a more pricey one.

However we all have our “vices” when it comes to clothes and style.

Where do you see me worked over the salon price sweetie?
The trick is - I make enough to easily afford these salon prices. And choose to pay this amount. Sure thing you can get a $15 haircut at the local Supercuts if that’s all you can afford.

[Confederate]

Where do you see me worked over the salon price sweetie?
The trick is - I make enough to easily afford these salon prices. And choose to pay this amount. Sure thing you can get a $15 haircut at the local Supercuts if that’s all you can afford.

I pay more than that, but admittedly I think a mans hair is much easier to cut.

My vice are shoes. If you’re happy with it, more power to you!

[krimster2]

democrats?
you mean like FDR who championed the New Deal that saved America from the great depression, and then defeated Global fascism with the lightest casualties of any major power in the war, those Democrats?
yeah he was a cripple, imagine how Trump would mock him
sure... it totally sucked back in the Clinton and Obama eras, hmmm hmmmm
I paid higher taxes but I still made a sh%tload of money back then both in business and in the stock market
today I own no stocks, and I’m pulling ALL my money out of banks and I’ve temporarily shutdown most of the businesses I own
yeah, those evil democrats

instead of annoying us with your nonsense
why not make it more interesting for us poor readers
and tell us about your failed trip to Ukraine or Russia
what went wrong...
I can take a guess...

[Confederate]

democrats?
you mean like FDR who championed the New Deal that saved America from the great depression, and then defeated Global fascism with the lightest casualties of any major power in the war, those Democrats?
yeah he was a cripple, imagine how Trump would mock him
sure... it totally sucked back in the Clinton and Obama eras, hmmm hmmmm
I paid higher taxes but I still made a sh%tload of money back then both in business and in the stock market
today I own no stocks, and I’m pulling ALL my money out of banks and I’ve temporarily shutdown most of the businesses I own
yeah, those evil democrats

instead of annoying us with your nonsense
why not make it more interesting for us poor readers
and tell us about your failed trip to Ukraine or Russia
what went wrong...
I can take a guess...

FDR who had jack booted FBI thugs going around and seizing gold bullion from average citizens?

Good times for two-faced Commie rat basterds!

War? War is futile. The USA should have stayed out of both WWI and if it happened, WWII.
 
Let the Europeans learn the hard way without any assistance at all from Uncle Sugar!!

[msmob]

yeah but let’s all vote for the (formerly) demokkkratic party of Amerika so we can become more like Ukraine: high taxes, high poverty, “free” healthcare.

Dumb phuque, go take some more drugs.

Confed has been on the sauce again ?

Comparing America with Ukraine..?  Let's compare Canada with Belarus...  Oh wait a minute .. sensible wouldn't do that ..

Cornfed doesn't even have an FSU partner or had one long enough to know what he's talkin' about ..

[krimster2]

"FDR who had jack booted FBI thugs going around and seizing gold bullion from average citizens?"

yeah, "average citizens" owned tons of gold bullion during the depression, musta really sucked for them
hmmm hmmm

have you by any chance ever read these things called "books" history, economics...
or based on your own life experiences served in the military and were deployed overseas...
no, to both, right?
as well as no wife, kids, and by the sound of it, no education either
no wonder you write the nonsense you do
it's ALL you are capable of doing
when I was your age, I was already married to a Russian woman and having my first kid
you are SO FAR behind the curve, especially considering current circumstances where your future is guaranteed to be MUCH worse than it is EVEN NOW...
and how do you respond?
like a 12 yr old who had to repeat 6th grade...
must SUCK to be you, based on your comments
I hope you vote for Trump in person and DON'T wear a mask
unlike you, I get 4 votes, instead of your one, cuz my wife and two kids and I WILL vote together (FIRST TIME FOR MY KIDS!)
we will cancel out 4 Trump votes, ONE OF WHICH WILL BE YOURS, SWEET!

[krimster2]

"...And if it happened, WWII."

I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure it happened!
I've been to the USS Arizona memorial at Pearl Harbor
and the Peace Memorial in Hiroshima, Japan
I worked in Nuremberg, Germany and I touched the shrapnel holes from US bombs that are still in the Franken Stadium
so yeah, I'm pretty sure it happened...
also pretty sure that Japan attacked us first and that Germany declared war on us first...
how can you be 40 yrs old and be so damned clueless

[2tallbill]

No big shock for those with degrees in accounting.  If they have English skills, they can start to work almost immediately . . . but perhaps at lower levels such as book keeper initially.  But if work  is satisfactory, they can move on to junior accountant fairly quickly, then to senior accountant, ect.etc. The CPA designation (Chartered Accountant) in UK will take longer to achieve, but is not necessary for those who work in the business sector.

I was going to say the same. If they work for an accounting firm they
can usually work under the license of the principal accountant or they
could get a job as an inhouse accountant too.

The gal that I met in Portland Oregon is married in the USA and she went
directly into an accounting job and makes good money.