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« Reply #25 on: September 19, 2020, 10:34:56 AM »


I believe most independents who voted for Trump last election knew full well he'd be nominating conservative judges to all high courts and aren't afraid he will nominate conservative judges next term.

Independents, and perhaps moderate Democrats and moderate Republicans, might have been OK with the prospect of a 5-4 court containing one swing vote.

But a 6-3 court containing one useless swing vote, is another story.

As has been discussed elsewhere, the make-up of S.C. is perhaps more important in the long-run than who is elected president for any 4 year period.
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« Reply #26 on: September 19, 2020, 10:56:40 AM »
RIP RBG.

What news to wake up to!

Life is awful quirky. The good ol' gal has managed to put the GOP, Trump, and our country on the spot in a way no one else can.

Eerily, it's almost like she thought this through as a parting test of our political moral compass.

Talk about going out with a bang...

Smart as a whip I say.

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« Reply #27 on: September 19, 2020, 12:50:50 PM »
This could be an excellent opportunity for GOP to reach across the aisle in a neutral fashion without even appearing to do so.  GOP can decide they need to live up to their word and allow Trump the chance to finish the race on his own merits. If he wins, move forward with the nomination.  If he loses GOP has a better chance of surviving intact instead of having put all their eggs in Trump's falling basket. It would be a first step forward at the right time on the high road for a change, put the spotlight back on Trump with good chances of de-escalating the political divide in Congress.  Win-Win.

All sides should step back, test public reaction over the next days and ceremonies, and reflect before acting.

Anything less only sends us in a spiraling race down divided paths, destroying even the last smidgen of trust and good faith we have we have in politics, and each other.
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« Reply #28 on: September 19, 2020, 01:28:28 PM »
This could be an excellent opportunity for GOP to reach across the aisle in a neutral fashion without even appearing to do so.  GOP can decide they need to live up to their word and allow Trump the chance to finish the race on his own merits. If he wins, move forward with the nomination.  If he loses GOP has a better chance of surviving intact instead of having put all their eggs in Trump's falling basket. It would be a first step forward at the right time on the high road for a change, put the spotlight back on Trump with good chances of de-escalating the political divide in Congress.  Win-Win.

All sides should step back, test public reaction over the next days and ceremonies, and reflect before acting.

Anything less only sends us in a spiraling race down divided paths, destroying even the last smidgen of trust and good faith we have we have in politics, and each other.

I suspect that ship has left port long ago with the constant attacks on Trump and his administration. Not to mention the all out pull no punches attack on the Kavanaugh appointment. I'm relatively confident an olive branch from the president would be met with nothing but more attacks

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« Reply #29 on: September 19, 2020, 01:37:42 PM »
Well, RBG put the ball squarely in GOP's court FP.  They have a choice, and responsibility for what happens with it.

We'll see...

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« Reply #30 on: September 19, 2020, 02:32:01 PM »
I doubt that Trump nominating a SC judge would be changing that many votes.  Why are the Republicans supposed to be 'nice' now, after all the efforts the dems have made to bring down his administration?  As far as I am concerned it is time to squash the leftists and return our country to the ideals of our founding fathers and those supporting the constitution.

My observations show me that the left is very loud and noisy but benefits from a media that exaggerates their size and power.  I expect the silent majority to give Trump a victory in the election.  We will see.
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« Reply #31 on: September 19, 2020, 02:43:53 PM »
As has been discussed elsewhere, the make-up of S.C. is perhaps more important in the long-run than who is elected president for any 4 year period.


If a Supreme Court Justice on the bench for 20+ years is more valuable than 4 more years of Trump and if a Senate majority of Republicans can muscle in Trump's pick before the election, then they should do so instead of taking a chance Biden gets to pick the next judge.
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« Reply #32 on: September 19, 2020, 03:37:50 PM »

For the record, I still think Trump needs to do what is best to win the presidency for himself. A SC judge is worth a SC judge. A 4 year president is worth much more since he/she may get to appoint an SC judge or two and hundreds of other judges. That is a President's influence on just the Judicial Branch.
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« Reply #33 on: September 19, 2020, 03:50:11 PM »
That is a President's influence on just the Judicial Branch.

Unless, of course, the GOP Senate uses 500 or so filibusters to block judicial and other appointments. Remember when this happened and what the result was?
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« Reply #34 on: September 19, 2020, 04:18:54 PM »
I doubt that Trump nominating a SC judge would be changing that many votes.  Why are the Republicans supposed to be 'nice' now, after all the efforts the dems have made to bring down his administration?  As far as I am concerned it is time to squash the leftists and return our country to the ideals of our founding fathers and those supporting the constitution.

My observations show me that the left is very loud and noisy but benefits from a media that exaggerates their size and power.  I expect the silent majority to give Trump a victory in the election.  We will see.

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« Reply #35 on: September 19, 2020, 04:39:14 PM »
Unless, of course, the GOP Senate uses 500 or so filibusters to block judicial and other appointments. Remember when this happened and what the result was?

Reid changing the rules

Keep in mind, the below link said the reasons getting an Obama judge approved was slow came from minority resistance AND Obama was slow to nominate. Obama shares the blame. There are charts showing median days he took to nominate a judge after vacancy.

http://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2020/01/28/judicial-appointments-in-trumps-first-three-years-myths-and-realities/

Table 6b: Median Days from Nomination to District Judge Confirmation—Through late January, Fourth Year (parenthetical indicates number)
 
For Vacancies in Districts with
Districts with
Senate during
2 R senators
1 D, 1R
2 D senators
No senators (DC/PR)
Trump
217 (71)
343 (35)
412 (22)
90-387 (5)
Obama
208 (19)
212 (28)
195 (46)
161-273 (4)

Take a look at table 6b in that link which I posted names and numbers above. Trump's judges in most cases take up to twice as long to get approved after nomination than Obama's judges. Blame that on the Democrats who obstruct. In districts with two Republicans, Obama got his judges from nomination to confirmed in less time than Trump. Republicans have been fair. Look at the huge difference when two Democrats decide on a judge or where the district is split with one Senator from each party. It is clear which party obstructs to delay more.
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« Reply #36 on: September 19, 2020, 05:56:35 PM »
Well, RBG put the ball squarely in GOP's court FP.  They have a choice, and responsibility for what happens with it.

We'll see...

Then they should do exactly what the Democrats would do and appoint
a conservative Judge and push them through. Then you would have
5 conservatives, 3 Left wingers and 1 moderate. If the situation were
reversed then the Democrats would never, ever, ever, ever take the
same chance that you are suggesting the Republicans to take. The
Dem's would consider it their birthright after not getting Merrick Garland

They would laugh in our faces if we asked them to wait after the election
when they had the majority in the Senate.

The days of reaching across the isle about appointments to the Supreme
court are gone forever.

« Last Edit: September 19, 2020, 06:04:19 PM by 2tallbill »
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« Reply #37 on: September 19, 2020, 06:23:55 PM »
Give RBG the respect she's earned. Let the country be in mourning for a week. After that, FILL THAT SEAT!! FILL THAT SEAT!!


Even she knew it was well within the POTUS Constitutional right to do so as every POTUS before him did. The difference between now and 2016 is both the executive and house of Senate are of the same political party. Make no mistake about it, these zany Democrats would've done it had THE Stooge had the Senate in 2016.


FILL THAT SEAT!! FILL THAT SEAT!!  A week, and not a minute longer!!!!


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« Reply #38 on: September 19, 2020, 06:27:02 PM »
Even if he loses the election  :o .....a lame duck Trump can still nominate someone.
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« Reply #39 on: September 19, 2020, 06:33:05 PM »



I've been thinking of various scenarios and the best scenario that benefits Republicans is Trump has to nominate somebody SOON to begin the process. That doesn't mean the Senate will vote on Trump's nominee before the election. They don't have to. On election day, they can lose their Senate majority and have Biden win the Presidency but the Republicans still maintain a Senate majority until Jan 3, 2021 and can approve Trump's SC nominee before a new President and Senate takes over should they lose everything in the election.


Liberals are hating on Lindsey Graham right now and the media will run with his words all the way up to the election hoping to get public support to pressure Republicans to back off. I doubt Republicans will back off and the price Lindsey will pay is he'll have to eat his words. Not the end of the world.
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« Reply #40 on: September 19, 2020, 07:55:25 PM »
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« Reply #41 on: September 19, 2020, 07:58:55 PM »
Then they should do exactly what the Democrats would do and appoint
a conservative Judge and push them through. Then you would have
5 conservatives, 3 Left wingers and 1 moderate. If the situation were
reversed then the Democrats would never, ever, ever, ever take the
same chance that you are suggesting the Republicans to take. The
Dem's would consider it their birthright after not getting Merrick Garland

They would laugh in our faces if we asked them to wait after the election
when they had the majority in the Senate.

The days of reaching across the isle about appointments to the Supreme
court are gone forever.

So speaks the Barry Goldwater theory of politics.
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« Reply #42 on: September 19, 2020, 08:18:27 PM »
I doubt that Trump nominating a SC judge would be changing that many votes.  Why are the Republicans supposed to be 'nice' now, after all the efforts the dems have made to bring down his administration?  As far as I am concerned it is time to squash the leftists and return our country to the ideals of our founding fathers and those supporting the constitution.
 
I think many of the votes will be changed (Or turnout increased) by the mere fact that trump will now have the ability to replace this particular liberal judge. 

It is a fantasy that leftists will be 'squashed'.  if trump succeeds in nominating a replacement as a lame duck or as the loser, it will further detach majority of voters from feeling represented as they might like to be.  The country will likely continue right on it's same path regardless.  There would just be more defiance. 

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« Reply #43 on: September 19, 2020, 09:20:20 PM »
Give RBG the respect she's earned. Let the country be in mourning for a week. After that, FILL THAT SEAT!! FILL THAT SEAT!!


Even she knew it was well within the POTUS Constitutional right to do so as every POTUS before him did. The difference between now and 2016 is both the executive and house of Senate are of the same political party. Make no mistake about it, these zany Democrats would've done it had THE Stooge had the Senate in 2016.


FILL THAT SEAT!! FILL THAT SEAT!!  A week, and not a minute longer!!!!


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« Reply #44 on: September 19, 2020, 09:34:16 PM »
I think many of the votes will be changed (Or turnout increased) by the mere fact that trump will now have the ability to replace this particular liberal judge. 

It is a fantasy that leftists will be 'squashed'.  if trump succeeds in nominating a replacement as a lame duck or as the loser, it will further detach majority of voters from feeling represented as they might like to be.  The country will likely continue right on it's same path regardless.  There would just be more defiance. 

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« Reply #45 on: September 20, 2020, 01:23:50 AM »
I think we can all agree though that RBG sure was ugly looking.
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« Reply #46 on: September 20, 2020, 05:17:44 AM »
The vote turnout will be what the turnout is. With President Trumps next four years expect more draining of the swamp
I think certain events can increase turnout, and RBG dying weeks before the election is one of those things.  It really doesn't matter that much though, if the hypocritical conservatives can ram their pick through before the presidency is lost or the senate.   There is a chance that a few republican senators won't go along with this though and insist on waiting until the election has ended. 
Overall I don't think trump has drained a swamp at all.  He has succeeded at lowering the US standing around the globe, (Which I support), and he has helped fuel discontent internally which isn't a positive. 

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« Reply #47 on: September 20, 2020, 05:23:54 AM »
Just getting feminists out of these sorts of positions in general should help. If it stops them having influence over the law that would give women the upper hand then that could go a long way to making relationships work again.
I'd say relationships are working just fine already if people want to be in them. 

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« Reply #48 on: September 20, 2020, 06:03:58 AM »
The implications are many on both sides of the decision of whether to fill the vacancy. 

If the Democrats had behaved like traditional statesmen in Trump's 4 years, the nomination should be delayed or at least done with some cooperation with the Democrats.    Instead, the Democrats behaved as obstructionists, becoming worse with each year.  To echo 2tallbill, "The Dem's are always begging the Republicans to act with a common decency that they lack."

In fact given the accelerating  tone of the Democrats, I venture that if they do sweep in November,  they will undertake many changes to reduce the limited powers of the minority, such as eliminating the filibuster, stacking the court, etc. 

So, Trump should do his duty and nominate someone. 


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« Reply #49 on: September 20, 2020, 06:09:48 AM »
Trump has stated he will nominate a woman. 

From what I read, the two leading candidates, are Amy Coney Barrett (supporter of religious freedom, pro-life and mother of seven including a special needs child and two adopted from Haiti) and Barbara Lagoa (Florida Cuban, pro-business).

Maybe any potential nominee will decline being named knowing the Democrats will respond with a cruel campaign to destroy them.  That's sad statement about hyper-contentious America.   

 

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