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« on: November 19, 2020, 01:33:18 PM »
The purpose of this thread is to discuss other strategies or substrategies
besides the two biggies.

There are two main strategies Visit One and Visit Many but there are
also different strategies and substrategies. You can argue that there
are only minor differences from hiring a wingman and a matchmaker
but there are differences. Going to the area to do research, or for a
church group, or to teach English, work for an extended time are
very similar but slightly different.

1. Hiring a guide/wingman
2. Hiring a match maker
3. Going on a tour
4. Moving to the area for a time
5. Going to School in the area
6. Working or teaching English
7. Volunteer/church groups
8. For Euro's there are weekend trips

« Last Edit: November 19, 2020, 01:35:49 PM by 2tallbill »
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Re: Other Strategies
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2020, 06:41:03 PM »
9. Setting up an easel and painting in Shevchenko Park

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Re: Other Strategies
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2020, 07:25:17 PM »
9. Setting up an easel and painting in Shevchenko Park


Joke property of cartoon stock

FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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Re: Other Strategies
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2020, 02:44:13 PM »
From the same artist who brought you number 9, I give you number 10 and the holy grail ..... The TTT, or the “Time travelling Texan” method.

1. Invent a time machine.
2. Buy a smart phone.
3. Travel back in time to the 1990’s.
4. Hang out at Universities.
5. Give a young female student the phone and teach her the art of the selfie.
6. Get naked with student.

If you’re a newbie here and have some scepticism, here’s a first hand account from the master of this method and a picture of the worlds first bunny eared selfie, decades before it’s time. The woman is now in her 40’s and living a quiet married life in Italy..... The proof is undeniable!!

“Just for you Trench
here are the pics of my first girl fiends in Kyiv
both students at Taras Shavchenko Univ that I met on campus (it's a totally funky lookin place!)
just the sweetest, most natural girls, I ever met
and physically the most perfect erotic specimens of womanhood I had ever seen
they had a devastating effect on me
imagine one of these girls curled up naked in your lap”

“The pic is actually pretty old
girl is now married and lives in Italy”
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« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2020, 07:35:37 PM »
3. Going on a tour

The late great Jack Bragg had a tour and was popular among
the members here years ago.

The best tour now is probably Mark Davis at Dream connections
I would highly recommend staying away from AFA/Love me. 

http://www.dreamconnections.com/about/markdavis/index.php

I will invite somebody from there to stop by in case anybody has any
questions for them.

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« Last Edit: November 21, 2020, 07:40:32 PM by 2tallbill »
FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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Re: Other Strategies
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2020, 01:54:41 PM »
The late great Jack Bragg had a tour and was popular among
the members here years ago.

The best tour now is probably Mark Davis at Dream connections
I would highly recommend staying away from AFA/Love me. 

http://www.dreamconnections.com/about/markdavis/index.php

I will invite somebody from there to stop by in case anybody has any
questions for them.

Udachi!
Bill

I watched some of dream connections videos a few years ago and have been following them since. Lately their reputation has taken a big hit and they are seen to be just as bad or worse than AFA.

They’ve mis-represented their customers success rates and claim a false 0% divorce rate..... holiday “relationships”with prodaters are made to look like a successful marriage statistically. A lot of clients have been left with a bad taste in their mouth after tours...... packing socials with pro daters and women looking for a free night out  and bad customer service when disgruntled customers return home. They started an online service during covid..... Again loaded with prodaters and overpriced. The worst thing he’s been caught out with lately was mis-representing his own “successful” marriage. His wife divorced him, but in his videos they still pretended to be married. Earlier this year the anonymous hacking group (or a disgruntled customer posing as anonymous) exposed lots of his bad business practices and lies regarding his marriage on YouTube before the videos got pulled.


Stories like this are all too common when it comes to Dream connection customers... Inexperienced men are encouraged to date and get engaged to women who are clearly prodaters.

“WARNING: The woman 41 seconds in the video "Anna" Anya Bulat, was engaged to me 6 weeks ago and we lived together for 5 weeks! I was on the Dream Connections tour in Nov 2018 and she had multiple men on social media and in real life, she was seeing on the side secretly. Guys on the tour: she is very dangerous, a narcissist, and will use you for every dime you have and then toss you aside. I told Mark and DC about this, but I had already paid my $5,000 so they really didn't care. Watch out for her.

Not only did the "champion of men" and "man card academy guru" not stand up for me as the man, he believed every word and lie she said. Once your $5,000 is paid, they really don't care about you. He is also using his "Quest Mastermind" as a funnell to bring more guys into the Dream Connections fold, even if they are married at the time. He told me I was ready emotionally ready for the tour, 3 weeks after my divorce. I clearly wasn't ready, but he was my Quest Mastermind mentor and "man's coach", so I believed him. I was nearly destroyed by a professional scammer and narcissist. Not only did Dream Connections and Mark not take her profile down to protect other guys as I asked multiple times, but they featured her on their new video for the next tour! Feeling very used and scammed.

Oh, and maybe 1 out of 20 guys is getting married from the tour.. That's a 5% success rate, not 80% as they claim...., unless you count getting scammed and used by professional daters, a "meaningful relationship". Guys, as a military veteran and a man, I can tell you: avoid the personality cult of Mark Edward Davis, and Dream Connections. There are much safer and more cost-effective options out there”
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« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2020, 11:07:07 AM »
I watched some of dream connections videos a few years ago and have been following them since. Lately their reputation has taken a big hit and they are seen to be just as bad or worse than AFA.

I told you everything I know in my post. Made the post as if you
experienced Mark and Dream connections first hand. Is that the
case?

Bill
FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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Re: Other Strategies
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2020, 02:21:53 PM »
Other strategies?  How about dating at home until you board a flight.

I get the feeling many guys that are interested in FSUW don't even date at home which seems pretty self-defeating.


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Re: Other Strategies
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2020, 03:26:32 PM »
Other strategies?  How about dating at home until you board a flight.

I get the feeling many guys that are interested in FSUW don't even date at home which seems pretty self-defeating.


I guess my "secret strategy" is not a secret any more.   8)
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Re: Other Strategies
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2020, 04:27:08 PM »
Other strategies?  How about dating at home until you board a flight.

I get the feeling many guys that are interested in FSUW don't even date at home which seems pretty self-defeating.

I dated until I moved to Western North Dakota during the oil boom. I drove 24
hours one time for a date, but there weren't any unmarried women for me
during those years. Obviously once I met Angel Eyes I was done dating.

I know what you are saying though, without naming names there are members
who I wonder how much if any previous dating experience they've had.

FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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Re: Other Strategies
« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2020, 01:03:47 PM »
I told you everything I know in my post. Made the post as if you
experienced Mark and Dream connections first hand. Is that the
case?

Bill

You’re right Bill, I have no first hand experience with DC.... One of my local mate who has a lot more experience than me has been giving me a running commentary from a handful of his online friends from the states. They’ve had horrible experiences with DC... I’ll ask my mate if they are willing to post their stories here.

On a side note don’t take my post as having a go at you. I think  the way you’ve rejuvenated this site is great!.... I’ve actually been sending your advice and links on various topics to some of the guys i’ve met who aren’t members.
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Re: Other Strategies
« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2020, 03:33:47 PM »
On a side note don’t take my post as having a go at you.

I wouldn't do that. I just wanted to know was your information first hand,
second, etc. I went on Marks podcasts a couple of times and I'm hoping
that nobody had a problem as a result of listening to me.
FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2020, 06:19:31 PM »
Another Strategy would be to hire a guide, matchmaker or wing man.

This is more expensive than the do it yourself type of trip that most
attempt to do around here.

Stirlitz in Odessa (he will travel elsewhere)
http://www.igorkalinin.com/index.en.html
 
Pavel in Kiev
http://www.toursbylocals.com/kiev-guide

Eduard
I will look up his contact information

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FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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Re: Other Strategies
« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2020, 10:45:35 AM »
I still dont understand why the agency strategy went by the wayside, even with social media, I think it can still work. The girls would take English classes together through the agency, so girls knew the other girls. That helped me a lot! Because I had a friend who brought home a great girl and she help me pick out some of the girls she knew were good

But imo, I wouldnt start the process until all this Covid thing is over. Lets say you spend a ton of time, find a great girl but cant meet her for a long time because of pop up lockdowns. She will eventually ask for money, you at least will be buying gifts on special days. For what? You guys might not have chemistry in person. Not to mention the long delays in getting K 1 Visas. Back in the 90s, it was only 4 months

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Re: Other Strategies
« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2020, 01:40:58 PM »
I still dont understand why the agency strategy went by the wayside, even with social media
They were dying, even at the peak of the market, mainly because of dodgy practices and or limited market.

Richard was one victim of limited market but was trying to do the right thing.

The late Jack did, I think, work out how to make a bit of money and maintain some sort of reputation at the same time.

The primary reason most dreamseekers don't go to legitimate agents is, if the agent is doing his or her job properly, mostly they won't tell the punter what they want to hear.

I agree, there may still be a place and I know of one working successfully in the Philippines but he is up against the age old thing of 50 something's wanting 20 something's ...


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Re: Other Strategies
« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2020, 03:10:33 PM »
Other strategies?  How about dating at home until you board a flight.

I get the feeling many guys that are interested in FSUW don't even date at home which seems pretty self-defeating.

Local ladies and local Russian ladies while I lived in the world.
Once I moved to Western North Dakota and worked 15+ hours
per day selling windows and construction materials in the oil
fields of North Dakota dating stopped.

I had not had a date with with a girl in at least 6 months. According
to the Williston newspaper the ratio of men to women in Western North
Dakota was higher than 70:1. That included married women, babies
and 80 year old women.

The real unmarried women who had most of their teeth without facial
tattoos, who were over 18 years, younger than 50, who weren't drug
addicts or prostitutes were as rare as blue spotted unicorns. We had
the sweetest, cutest and funniest teen girl who worked at the building
supply center for a few hours for school credit and she asked me to go
to dinner with her. I told her that I couldn't do that to either her or her
parents. 

One time I took a couple days off and drove 24 hours to date a girl in
Portland Oregon (who was from Kiev). It didn't work out and I drove
24 hours straight back, you can read about it in my trip report here
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=3432.0


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FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2020, 03:22:16 PM »
I still dont understand why the agency strategy went by the wayside, even with social media, I think it can still work.

A good girl won't allow the agency fleece her man, so eventually the agency
runs low on good girls. The men who have no intention of traveling were only
willing to pay so much for the fantasy of a Russian wife before they moved
on to their favorite pay per view porn page. The guys I work with or around
ask how can they get a Russian girl friend like I have.

I tell them, that's my wife and you have to win their hearts and marry them.
You can't keep them as girl friends for long. They want a shortcut, a buffet,
a way to take the good stuff and leave the yucky or the difficult stuff behind.

They can't do everything that one has to go through. They don't have the
patience, they can't handle the failure, it's too much for them.


NOTE HOW BILL GET'S BACK ON TOPIC


For the buffet guys who don't mind spending money, maybe a guide
or a wingman is the way to go.


guys who don't mind spe

FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

 

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