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[DCCowboy71]

Hello all, it has been a rocky ride to see for sure. I had planned several trips, then the COVID happened, and my employer said no traveling what so ever. so like a lot I have gone through q depression, none of the women turned out to be viable. I don't know why but I keep getting drawn back into Ukrainian women, its like a magnet. I started communicating with three new women, hopefully planning some trips late next year, soonest my employer will let us travel. But just wanted to say Hi, and I am still out here looking. DC

[BC]

Welcome back!

Yes, this bug has been quite a damper on travels these days...

[2tallbill]

Hello all, it has been a rocky ride to see for sure. 

none of the women turned out to be viable.

DCCowpoke,

Welcome back!

Since you can't visit and are starting over this is a good chance to
take a hard top to bottom look at everything you have been doing
and review, what has been successful, what could have been done
better and what you plan to change.

I've done this myself and I have a few ideas if you are interested. 

[DCCowboy71]

DCCowpoke,

Welcome back!

Since you can't visit and are starting over this is a good chance to
take a hard top to bottom look at everything you have been doing
and review, what has been successful, what could have been done
better and what you plan to change.

I've done this myself and I have a few ideas if you are interested.

“Happens to every guy sometimes this does” — Yoda.  It has been a great time to reflect for sure   

Always open to advice! “Always pass on what you have learned.” — Yoda

[DCCowboy71]

Welcome back!

Yes, this bug has been quite a damper on travels these days...

Thanks! Looking forward to the restrictions being lifted.

[2tallbill]

Since you've got a new moniker I can't look up where you've traveled in
the past, but I would avoid the MOB industry cities of Odessa, Nikolaev,
Kharkov and Kiev.

The girls in Ukraine are not better or worse than the girls in Belarus,
Russia, Moldova or Romania. If you are dead set on going to Ukraine,
then go to Dnepropetrovsk and Zaporizhzhia and find the very best
girl in that area.

Also, it appears you are doing a visit many using visit one tactics. That is you
are communicating with several FSUW well ahead of your trip. If you want to
do that then I advise figuring out which one of those women is the best and communicating with her exclusively and daily for the last month before your
trip.

This helps her feel excited for your visit and she won't be worried you are
visiting somebody else thereby keeping one of her toes in the water and
one of her toes out. You want a girl who is ALL IN, ALL THE TIME.

If things don't work out with that girl then you go to your backup plan of
meeting new girls in the city that you are in. Your backup plan in my opinion
should not be going to visit the second and third place girls.

I don't remember your exact situation, but let me know if I got something
wrong. (You aren't the one using Mordinson correct?)

Udachi!

Bill

[DCCowboy71]

Since you've got a new moniker I can't look up where you've traveled in
the past, but I would avoid the MOB industry cities of Odessa, Nikolaev,
Kharkov and Kiev.

The girls in Ukraine are not better or worse than the girls in Belarus,
Russia, Moldova or Romania. If you are dead set on going to Ukraine,
then go to Dnepropetrovsk and Zaporizhzhia and find the very best
girl in that area.

Also, it appears you are doing a visit many using visit one tactics. That is you
are communicating with several FSUW well ahead of your trip. If you want to
do that then I advise figuring out which one of those women is the best and communicating with her exclusively and daily for the last month before your
trip.

This helps her feel excited for your visit and she won't be worried you are
visiting somebody else thereby keeping one of her toes in the water and
one of her toes out. You want a girl who is ALL IN, ALL THE TIME.

If things don't work out with that girl then you go to your backup plan of
meeting new girls in the city that you are in. Your backup plan in my opinion
should not be going to visit the second and third place girls.

I don't remember your exact situation, but let me know if I got something
wrong. (You aren't the one using Mordinson correct?)

Udachi!

Bill

Thanks Bill, no on Mordinson.... What's that? One of the girls I have been communicating with is from Zaporizhzhia.

[DCCowboy71]

Since you've got a new moniker I can't look up where you've traveled in
the past, but I would avoid the MOB industry cities of Odessa, Nikolaev,
Kharkov and Kiev.

The girls in Ukraine are not better or worse than the girls in Belarus,
Russia, Moldova or Romania. If you are dead set on going to Ukraine,
then go to Dnepropetrovsk and Zaporizhzhia and find the very best
girl in that area.

Also, it appears you are doing a visit many using visit one tactics. That is you
are communicating with several FSUW well ahead of your trip. If you want to
do that then I advise figuring out which one of those women is the best and communicating with her exclusively and daily for the last month before your
trip.

This helps her feel excited for your visit and she won't be worried you are
visiting somebody else thereby keeping one of her toes in the water and
one of her toes out. You want a girl who is ALL IN, ALL THE TIME.

If things don't work out with that girl then you go to your backup plan of
meeting new girls in the city that you are in. Your backup plan in my opinion
should not be going to visit the second and third place girls.

I don't remember your exact situation, but let me know if I got something
wrong. (You aren't the one using Mordinson correct?)

Udachi!

Bill

Bill, what are your thoughts on Pskov, Russia, and  Sumy, Ukraine. anyone else have thoughts? I know I can (eventually) visit Estonia, is Pskov close? it looks close on a map.

[japtats]

Bill, what are your thoughts on Pskov, Russia, and  Sumy, Ukraine. anyone else have thoughts? I know I can (eventually) visit Estonia, is Pskov close? it looks close on a map.

Odessa was too much of a minefield for me , I never realised it was scam central . I ran to Kharkov , then lviv , and other cities . Never been to Kiev , but I think Kiev and other cities are fine . Odessa just keep away from . I prefer Russia than Ukraine , less scam attempts .

Stick to cities with a large population, increases your chances of finding the right person . I tend to avoid capitals , as I tend to find they attract the worse sort of people within a country. but that is just a correlation, not an absolute fact , I am from a capital .

[Trenchcoat]

Never been to Kiev , but I think Kiev and other cities are fine .

Shocked you've never been to Kiev Japs, especially as you've been out in the FSU a fair bit now. I've been three times lol, never been to Kharkov (Kharkiv) though, kind of fancied it as its the last big Ukrainian city that I haven't been too. I heard some of the women there aren't the most trustworthy there though and not the prettiest city around though apparently the city centre isn't too bad. Kiev though I always kind of thought it's a difficult one for WM to avoid if looking for women in Ukraine. Not that looking there is a good idea, I don't generally think it is but because it just generally tends to be the card that comes up on this search. It's a pretty interesting city and the one where my search first started so some pretty surreal memories of past happenings for me there.

DC Cowboy, am I right in recalling that you had previous health problems, with your heart but got past it with a lot of working out?

[Rosco]

If you are dead set on going to Ukraine, then go to Dnepropetrovsk and Zaporizhzhia and find the very best
girl in that area.

Once you've practiced to say Dnepropetrovsk and Zaporizhzhia whilst in country, you'll realise that you've got grit in your teeth from the smog. Lol

That's where I started out too.

[2tallbill]

Bill, what are your thoughts on Pskov, Russia, and  Sumy, Ukraine. anyone else have thoughts? I know I can (eventually) visit Estonia, is Pskov close? it looks close on a map.

What is your plan? Angel Eyes my then Russian girl friend wanted
to visit Niagra Falls, Yellow Stone park, the Grand Canyon and
naturally the Pacific Ocean when she came to visit me. Did you talk
to her about planning your trip?

From Pskov to Tallinn is a long way because of the route you
have to take. 12-18 hours by train? To drive 5 hours? 

[2tallbill]

Thanks Bill, no on Mordinson.... What's that?

Forget I asked.

One of the girls I have been communicating with is from Zaporizhzhia.

There are two primary strategies to find an FSUW. One is to visit many
and the other is to visit one (with a back up plan).

My advice is
1. Pick one of those two strategies, come back and tell us which one.
2. If you don't know which strategy read this thread
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0
and then decide.
3. To always choose the best girl rather than the best city.

[DCCowboy71]

Forget I asked.

There are two primary strategies to find an FSUW. One is to visit many
and the other is to visit one (with a back up plan).

My advice is
1. Pick one of those two strategies, come back and tell us which one.
2. If you don't know which strategy read this thread
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0
and then decide.
3. To always choose the best girl rather than the best city.

Thanks! I am trying to narrow it down, some I have mailed a couple and after 2-3 emails they are like my darling and I love you...etc. I am thinking "you move too fast." But I am in communication now with the one that lives in Pskov, and she seems authentic. Because my last experience I am being a little gun shy and careful. I did map out Pskov to Tallinn, long ways! I will have to think of a way to make that happen..... Maybe fly her and son somewhere to meet me, IF we get to that point.

[DCCowboy71]

DC Cowboy, am I right in recalling that you had previous health problems, with your heart but got past it with a lot of working out?

Hey Trench, nope not me. I do work out, I am pretty fit for a almost 50. I can still take my 20 yo son down. I'm surprised your not married off yet! lol.

[DCCowboy71]

Angel Eyes my then Russian girl friend wanted
to visit Niagra Falls, Yellow Stone park, the Grand Canyon and
naturally the Pacific Ocean when she came to visit me.

Did she realize that is like 4000+ Miles in one trip eventually?

[2tallbill]

Did she realize that is like 4000+ Miles in one trip eventually?

She is super smart but the space time continuum and American
geography aren't always considered when she asks for stuff.

We traveled from North Dakota through the Rocky Mountains and to
the Pacific Coast and back. She is not allowed to plan trips or buy
tickets or plan trips. She makes the goals and then I figure out what
can be managed without creating sonic booms or a disturbance in the
force.

One time I let her get involved with buying tickets and it was a nightmare.
She and Mini-Me got stuck in a Moscow airport, it cost me double what I
would have paid, I had to sort it out from afar at 2 am. Luckily she didn't
get put on any no fly lists.

[Trenchcoat]

Hey Trench, nope not me. I do work out, I am pretty fit for a almost 50. I can still take my 20 yo son down. I'm surprised your not married off yet! lol.

Yeah, I can recall your profile name but not the specifics of your original threads. I know it was only a couple of years or so ago, so not that long. So as for me nah not yet married. I think I could have made a go of it this year if it wasn't for the virus getting in the way. That said I've learned stuff about myself that I think I wouldn't had I been successful that may likely aid me a great deal in the future. I think in the past I've never wanted to settle for less and still don't. Some guys will go with any girl just to have kids and family but I don't I see that as wasting your life with the wrong person to avoid the fear of being alone. Yes I miss out on some stuff like having kids early on but I also haven't ended up being stuck in a relationship for years with someone I don't get on with or feel into or in a messy divorce situation.

On paper I'm pretty good especially for my age. In my early forties but still not significantly greying (brown hair), not balding, no receeding hair, 6ft tall, not fat (average build) no longer wear glasses (laser eye surgery) everyday average looking guy (not a model but theoretically not ugly either), etc, etc. Theirs stuff I can improve on but all in all not too bad. I think a lot of the reason I stayed single in the past is that I never felt that I could settle for less. I was attracted to girls that had options and I probably fell slightly short for them. I never really genuinely felt attracted to girls who were unimpressive in general, they never really peaked my interest. Anyway, I think I've got enough to level the playing field now so hopeful in the near future

[I/O]

Forget geography, go for the one with the biggest boobs.

My point is, it's a bit of a crapshoot however you approach it....

[2tallbill]

I love you...etc. I am thinking "you move too fast."

If an FSUW who you've never met or had sex with sends you a
letter telling you that she loves you then it's a scam.

It looks like you are mostly on the right track and don't need a
bunch of unsolicited advice from me.

Udachi!
Bill

[DCCowboy71]

Anyway, I think I've got enough to level the playing field now so hopeful in the near future

wish you luck!

[DCCowboy71]

Forget geography, go for the one with the biggest boobs.

My point is, it's a bit of a crapshoot however you approach it....

I think I might base the decision off a little more.... lol

[DCCowboy71]

If an FSUW who you've never met or had sex with sends you a
letter telling you that she loves you then it's a scam.

It looks like you are mostly on the right track and don't need a
bunch of unsolicited advice from me.

Udachi!
Bill

figured, as you note. I am always open to advice.

[Davo]

Welcome back cowboy. It’s good to see a fellow member who’s in the dating stage.

I’ll add to bill’s advice....
I’ve been online on and off for over 4 years now and have been lucky to have met several nice women in real life.....I’ve chatted to many genuine women online and also a lot of scammers. If you have women who want to communicate through email 99.9% of the time it’s a scam. Scammers have wised up and have been video chatting too, but on a much lower level than genuine women. They have evolved a lot since I first started and are becoming more convincing. They have started mimicking real women, researching your country and asking all the right questions.

I still see myself as a beginner, so from one beginner to another, I only have one piece of advice (trench take note 🙂) Video chat!!! and lots of it. It’s the only way you can navigate the scams, prodaters and cam girls because they won’t video chat. The  smarter ones who do, keep it to a bare minimum, enough to keep you hooked. A genuine woman who likes you will want to video chat often and openly share her life, even intimate details of it, but only once she trusts you. The easiest way to build trust is via video chatting. It’s their scam check to weed out guys that aren’t serious or even married keyboard Romeos, which is common on free sites.

Here’s a conversation from a FSU woman’s forum on a monthly subscription site. It shows just how important video chatting is to women too.

The first quote is from a new member (Russian) taking her first steps into foreign online dating..... The following quotes are from experienced members. One doesn’t like video chatting (trench!! I’ve found your perfect woman 😉), but she knows it’s the first important step to see if there’s chemistry and if it’s worth meeting in real life.
 


“girls, advise me what to do .talk to the man ( a few posts ) and he wants to talk via video connection, asks for my phone number .and I can't move that fast .... what to do and to refuse do not want to give a phone number like that before .....”


“As for me - so why wait? The faster you see each other, the quicker you will understand whether you need this communication. And so... in my opinion it is communicating with the cat in the bag. But this is my opinion and we are all different. But if something goes wrong lock to help us!”


“Oh well, it happens. We are all people, and much depends on the mood. I don't really like video calls, but it is a necessary step in order to get to know each other better and see whether you want to continue to chat or not. Agree on a convenient time for you, not necessarily immediately in the same day.”


“Katya, be not afraid. Scary only the first few seconds, then will start the smiles, the laughter and the conversation will flow like a stormy spring brook... But if the direct does not please You this man, you can always block it. And forget how terrible dream”

Thanks! I am trying to narrow it down, some I have mailed a couple and after 2-3 emails they are like my darling and I love you...etc. I am thinking "you move too fast." But I am in communication now with the one that lives in Pskov, and she seems authentic. Because my last experience I am being a little gun shy and careful. I did map out Pskov to Tallinn, long ways! I will have to think of a way to make that happen..... Maybe fly her and son somewhere to meet me, IF we get to that point.

What sites are you using? I’m guessing a free or monthly subscription site, by the way you’re meeting overly affectionate email scammers. Are you spending time with the most promising woman on what’s app, Skype etc.. and chatting face to face?

[I/O]

I think I might base the decision off a little more.... lol

I think you missed my real point.

FWIW, I've been looking over a friend's shoulder trying to steer him a bit recently and the whole video phenomenon (which was just beginning in my day) is largely speed dating by app. If that approach is suitable, fine but, it will be very time-consuming....