Christian Orthodox Family

[Trenchcoat]

Trenchcoat if you find an Orthodox Christian in Ukraine it is likely they want to leave. Ukraine is attemtping to remove the Christian Orthodox church becauae of their strong connection with Russia, in favour of Western Catholicism and Protestant religion.
As you are not religious, all may seem the same to you, but there are a great deal of differences.

Good to see you are alive and well Shadow, so far.

That news about the Ukraine turning to Catholicism and Protestant religion is news to me, I would doubt it's authenticity. As far as I know there is now a Ukrainian Orthodox Christian Church that is separate to the Russian Christian Orthodox Church. Last I heard that remnants of the Russian Orthodox Church in Ukraine were still around here and there but they were under the suspicion of the Ukrainian government and relations were not well between the two

I don't usually follow religious stuff much as I'm not religious but your news is interesting nonetheless.

[olgac]

They are not going away from Orthodoz church, they just broke away their orthodox church from the Rossian one which is 100% controlled by Putin and where the priests advocate for murder

[olgac]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Moscow%E2%80%93Constantinople_schism#:~:text=On%2015%20October%202018%2C%20the,ties%20with%20the%20Constantinople%20Patriarchate.

[Shadow]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Moscow%E2%80%93Constantinople_schism#:~:text=On%2015%20October%202018%2C%20the,ties%20with%20the%20Constantinople%20Patriarchate.

The Western edits are clear.
Breaking away is simply to hide like they did in Communist times. After the war is ove expect a reunion.
Perhaps the news about Othodox holidays being scrapped in favour of Catholic ones in the Dutch press was fake.

[krimster2]

no, I believe that's TRUE
funny isn't it?
you're invaded by someone, and you move away from them in response
like a bad "break-up"
Putin tells Ukraine, you CAN'T breakup with me, because if I can't have you, nobody else can
so Ukraine is flirting with the EU
and thanks to Putin, Sweden and Finland joined NATO, and NATO members have raised their military spending to 5% of GDP
all because of Putin's war

Ukraine is shifting to the West, and wants the holidays to align with western europe
English is now one of the official languages of Ukraine
ALL BECAUSE OF PUTIN'S WAR!!!

when I lived in Crimea, my children went to an elitny school that was being elevated to Western European educational standards and not Russian so students could easier apply to western universities
now that same school, requires all students to wear military uniforms, and learn basic military training, so they can save time later
not one student will be attending a western university

and you call that progress
just out of curiosity, regarding the Nazi occupation of Holland
how's that different from what Russia is trying but failing to do in Ukraine

one people, one leader, One Russia
come for the borscht and stay for the fascism

[Trenchcoat]

A couple of answers from Google AI:

"In Ukraine, the dominant religion is Eastern Orthodox, but Catholicism is also present, with the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church being the second-largest religious organization. A significant minority of Ukrainians, particularly in the western regions, identify as Catholic, primarily through the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church. Additionally, a smaller percentage of Ukrainians belong to the Latin Church and other Catholic rites."

"In Ukraine, the dominant religion is Eastern Orthodox, but Catholicism is also present, with the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church being the second-largest religious organization. A significant minority of Ukrainians, particularly in the western regions, identify as Catholic, primarily through the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church. Additionally, a smaller percentage of Ukrainians belong to the Latin Church and other Catholic rites."

If Ukrainian girls become Catholic they will be even more sexier. Catholic girls love to drop their knickers then pretend they are good girls

Seriously though apart from the change to the western calendar I am not so sure that there will be a shift from a independent Ukrainian Eastern Orthodox religion but will be interesting to see I guess.

[krimster2]

catholicism is more prevalent in western Ukraine, due to their historical roots in the Austro-Hungarian Empire

[olgac]

I wanted to mention that my best friend here is a woman from Russia who got very much into a Russian Orthodox church here in US after her son commited suicide 12 years ago. She is super religious and is very much against Putin's war. Her church leadership have also broken off with the orthodox leadership in Russia out of principle even though the community isn't religious at all.
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[2tallbill]

They are not going away from Orthodox church, they just broke away their orthodox
church from the Russian one which is 100% controlled by Putin and where the priests
advocate for murder

I copied this quote from Google AI to my question how many Christian Orthodox
churches are there.

"15 self-governing (autocephalous) Eastern Orthodox Churches and a number of autonomous
churches. These churches are in communion with each other, meaning they share the same
core beliefs and traditions."

Udachi!
Bill

[Shadow]

Artificial stupidity does not answr quesstions but generates them from an algorythm contaning favoured and most common responses.

[krimster2]

as Alan Turing said, "machines don't think the same way humans do, they think like machines"
ChatGPT has passed a business school exam, several law school exams, and even the United States Medical Licensure Exam
so it's a lot more than a search engine - unless you think you can pass a Medical or "Bar Exam" using google
current LLMs, Large Language Models employ basic reasoning skills, and an ensemble "of experts" and is evolving faster and faster as more and more money is thrown at it

did Google cause a loss of Knowledge Worker Jobs?  Nope
but ChatGPT already is

AI is a bit more than just a "statistical parrot" as you claim
AlphaZero Chess is trained in a similar method, as ChatGPT
it "learns" and not just copies chess moves


see, http://www.chess.com/blog/the_real_greco/understanding-alphazero-a-basic-chess-neural-network
previously, Chess Engines were hard coded by a programmer to generate the moves
instead of learning from a huge store of games

[Shadow]

as Alan Turing said, "machines don't think the same way humans do, they think like machines"
ChatGPT has passed a business school exam, several law school exams, and even the United States Medical Licensure Exam
so it's a lot more than a search engine - unless you think you can pass a Medical or "Bar Exam" using google
current LLMs, Large Language Models employ basic reasoning skills, and an ensemble "of experts" and is evolving faster and faster as more and more money is thrown at it

did Google cause a loss of Knowledge Worker Jobs?  Nope
but ChatGPT already is

AI is a bit more than just a "statistical parrot" as you claim
AlphaZero Chess is trained in a similar method, as ChatGPT
it "learns" and not just copies chess moves


see, http://www.chess.com/blog/the_real_greco/understanding-alphazero-a-basic-chess-neural-network
previously, Chess Engines were hard coded by a programmer to generate the moves
instead of learning from a huge store of games

Keep drinking the koolaid.
While AI has the potential to be a game changer, the current use is far below what it is claimed to be.
TStudents trying to cheat by using it for their homework are easily caught.Considering the level of American education, it is not surprising it woudl pass an American exam.Now try to show it real intelligence by having to figure out something not available with a web search.
Or just switch off the internet and see how well it does...

[krimster2]

imagine you're a graphic artist, how long before you're replaced by AI?


I have DeepSeek-R1 running on a high-end PC, it's comparable to Chatgpt4 and doesn't need a network connection and I have all the source code and can do what I want with it
and I use another AI, called "CLAUDE AI" to generate source code for my own programs
http://claude.ai/login?returnTo=%2F%3F

I was really stunned by it's ability
note: I've been writing code for around 50 years

in the near future, every company will be running some form of "Agent AI" to perform tasks that humans were previously required to complete
it's just a matter of time

I refer to it as "The AI job apocalypse"

note: I haven't been in a San Francisco "Hackathon" in many years, I used to be a player many years ago
now, Gen Z dopers using AI walk away with the winnings

http://developers.slashdot.org/story/25/07/06/0357235/vibe-coder-who-doesnt-know-how-to-code-keeps-winning-hackathons-in-san-francisco

the future, is already here, it's just unevenly distributed at the moment, but it's already here

[Shadow]

Krimter using the Chinese powered Deepseek.... what a surprise.
The point is that AI does not create anything new. It uses computer power to generate things according to the ideas of those using it. That is both a good and a bad thing. People with limited skills but good imagination can no create things they could only dream of beofre. But those with the skills now have to compete with people with less skills but better imagination.
While results seem impressive, AI still misses the lat part. Your examples show just that.Yes you can give AI the order to create something, and it wil generate faster than you can do it yourself. Just a the firt computers could present the result of a calculation much faster than doing it by hamd or even machine.But intelligence is the power to go beyond what others tell you, to break free from the propaganda of those feeding you what to say and do. And that seems to be lacking. Not only in AI.

[krimster2]

human creativity is a process that can be automated, just like accounting
there is "no god in the machine" Deus ex machina, even man is mechanical

almost every computer chip, motherboard I own came from Asia
why shouldn't I use Chinese software if I also use their hardware, especially when I have the source code to it to make certain it's not spyware

in the past, I spent a lot of time in shenzhen (roughly twice the size of New York City)
what Detroit ONCE was for autmobiles, shenzhen is for the electronics industry
a fascinating place
sometimes I wonder what my life would've been like if I had married a Han Chinese woman with a "white boy" fetish and moved there instead of going Ukrainian

George Orwell predicted "generative AI" in 1949 in his novel "1984"

"There was a whole chain of separate departments dealing with proletarian literature, music, drama, and entertainment generally. Here were produced rubbishy newspapers containing almost nothing except sport, crime and astrology, sensational five-cent novelettes, films oozing with sex, and sentimental songs which were composed entirely by mechanical means on a special kind of kaleidoscope known as a versificator

It was one of countless similar songs published for the benefit of the proles by a sub-section of the Music Department. The words of these songs were composed without any human intervention whatever on an instrument known as a versificator."

when the prophets speak, it pays to listen

[2tallbill]

Artificial stupidity does not answr quesstions but generates them from an algorythm contaning
favoured and most common responses.

I was just quoting my source. I could go to Wikipedia or if it's important, which this is not (to
me) I would research the answer myself and post what I found and where I found it.

I am Catholic which is not Orthodox, I am definitely not an expert in all the various Schisms that
caused the various fragmentations of the original Christian church. We Catholics believe that we
are the original Christian Church.

My original point was that there are several versions of Eastern Orthodox that aren't even remotely 
controlled or in communication with the Russian Orthodox or Putin. During Soviet times, the Greek
Orthodox is an example. My original point was very similar to what OlgaC was making several post
#57 above

[2tallbill]

If Ukrainian girls become Catholic they will be even more sexier. Catholic girls love to drop their
knickers then pretend they are good girls

Now you are showing more about what you find in your porn search results rather than any knowledge
on any subject.