Vaccine Misinformation

[Faux Pas]

First, congratulations on your anniversary!


Second, why do you call the vaccine "poison"?  There is nothing in it that you don't either already have in your body, or consume in foods.

There is much in the Death Jab that isn't already in one's body or consumed in foods. How or why you'd make such a statement is a mystery and certainly incorrect. Why my last response to this has been deleted is also a mystery. Nothing in it violates the TOS

Ken I agree with you. It's poison, don't take it. I understand you can fly with a negative PCR and Russia will let you in with a negative PCR. Russia is getting more difficult by the day to do normal things without a death jab. IMHO it isn't worth the chance of getting there and unable to get back at this time. Big Pharma is working it's puppet strings in Russia as well as most of the world

[fathertime]

There is much in the Death Jab that isn't already in one's body or consumed in foods. How or why you'd make such a statement is a mystery and certainly incorrect. Why my last response to this has been deleted is also a mystery. Nothing in it violates the TOS

Ken I agree with you. It's poison, don't take it. I understand you can fly with a negative PCR and Russia will let you in with a negative PCR. Russia is getting more difficult by the day to do normal things without a death jab. IMHO it isn't worth the chance of getting there and unable to get back at this time. Big Pharma is working it's puppet strings in Russia as well as most of the world

I was browsing the internet this morning and happened upon good old CNN.  According to them, all the covid deaths at their hospital have been either unvaccinated or old vaccinations with no boosters.  They also continue to state the deaths are younger people. 
If this is true, the death jab, could be named the 'life jab'. 

Covid-19 patients at this hospital are dying 'at a rate we've never seen die before' -- and it's taking a toll on health care workers

"Since January, we've had about 289 deaths; 75% are unvaccinated people," Dover said. "And the very few (vaccinated people) who passed away all were more than 6 months out from their shot. So we've not had a single person who has had a booster shot die from Covid."

http://www.cnn.com/2021/12/09/us/hospital-covid-19-deaths-michigan/index.html   

Fathertime!   

[civi68]

The last thing anyone wants is to get a bad case of COVID and need medical treatment in the FSU. I got several vaccines while in the national guard for 21 yrs, got the COVID booster, and feel fine.
    I now work in the medical field. Almost all of the people I work with are vaccinated. Some are Trump supporters who quietly got vaccinated after losing family members who were not vaccinated or who got a bad case of COVID themselves. My boss finally got his shot after his healthy, athletic, 24 yr old son got COVID. He has been struggling for his life over the past 3 weeks. He is still in critical condition.
   Although the Trump supporters at work scoffed at us who got the vaccine and who took precautions, we have been nothing but supportive while they went through their COVID health problems and family deaths. Now, most are vaccinated and moved on from all of the conspiracy theories about vaccines.

[GQBlues]

http://www.cnn.com/2021/12/09/us/hospital-covid-19-deaths-michigan/index.html   

Fathertime!

CNN! That should’ve been your first clue. Just like MSNBC’s Maddow when she circulated the silly story about ivermectin and gunshot victims in Oklahoma. Lol.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/09/09/bogus-oklahoma-ivermectin-story-was-just-too-good-check/

I’m certain there’s RWD poster who bought into that story, too. There are still many in the US who not only still reads ‘Dreams From My Father’, but still believes Obama is really the messiah. Lol.

   According to them, all the covid deaths at their hospital have been either unvaccinated or old vaccinations with no boosters.  They also continue to state the deaths are younger people.

  Pretty loaded, isn’t it? Did you notice that feed?

I still remember just before we go down Avalanche Chute in Mammoth mountain, we’d pass around that peppermint schnapps, take a big swig, exhale and say, ‘the best things in life resides on the other side of fear!’

[Faux Pas]

The last thing anyone wants is to get a bad case of COVID and need medical treatment in the FSU. I got several vaccines while in the national guard for 21 yrs, got the COVID booster, and feel fine.
    I now work in the medical field. Almost all of the people I work with are vaccinated. Some are Trump supporters who quietly got vaccinated after losing family members who were not vaccinated or who got a bad case of COVID themselves. My boss finally got his shot after his healthy, athletic, 24 yr old son got COVID. He has been struggling for his life over the past 3 weeks. He is still in critical condition.
   Although the Trump supporters at work scoffed at us who got the vaccine and who took precautions, we have been nothing but supportive while they went through their COVID health problems and family deaths. Now, most are vaccinated and moved on from all of the conspiracy theories about vaccines.

Everybody doesn't feel fine after the jab. In fact many folks are dying and getting very ill after the jab. Child deaths are up 60% over just a year ago. Athlete deaths are up 268% over a year ago. Let me take a shot in the dark here civi68 and guess you are a proud Biden supporter? Did you and your coworkers actually have a choice to take the death jab? Or did your employer convince you that in order to win the new $5k drawing at work you needed to have a vaxx card to enter? Maybe you got some free Lotto tickets?

You said you work in the medical field, tell us please what are the ingredients? The complete list, you know the redacted ingredients? You were scoffed at by Trump supporters for getting a jab. Seriously? I will state this emphatically, should I ever get covid the last place I will go is to the hospital. They're killing covid patients there with the covid protocols. The medical community is largely responsible for the plandemic

[BC]

Fear-mongering again I see...

[Boethius]

There is much in the Death Jab that isn't already in one's body or consumed in foods. How or why you'd make such a statement is a mystery and certainly incorrect. Why my last response to this has been deleted is also a mystery. Nothing in it violates the TOS

Your last response was not deleted.  It was merged with an existing thread.

Here are the contents of the Pfizer vaccine.  Please tell me what is not either occurring in the body (such as lipids, which is what the first ingredient is, together with a code to produce an immune response), or is not consumed by humans in foods-

ALC-03415=((4-hydroxybutyl)azandediyl)bis(hexande-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate)
ALB-0159=2-[(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide1,2=Disteroyl-sn-glycero-3-phosphocholine cholesterol
dibasic sodium phosphate dihydrate
monobasic potassium phosphate
potassium chloride
sodium chloride
sucrose
water for injection

You know what arguably was a poison - not existing in the human body until injected in a vaccine?  The polio vaccine.  But that vaccine changed history for the better.

[Faux Pas]

Fear-mongering again I see...

Fear mongering would be trying to convince the gullible to take the death jab or else they'll die and/or kill others because they didn't. You know, like you do?

[Faux Pas]

Your last response was not deleted.  It was merged with an existing thread.

Here are the contents of the Pfizer vaccine.  Please tell me what is not either occurring in the body (such as lipids, which is what the first ingredient is, together with a code to produce an immune response), or is not consumed by humans in foods-

ALC-03415=((4-hydroxybutyl)azandediyl)bis(hexande-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate)
ALB-0159=2-[(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide1,2=Disteroyl-sn-glycero-3-phosphocholine cholesterol
dibasic sodium phosphate dihydrate
monobasic potassium phosphate
potassium chloride
sodium chloride
sucrose
water for injection

You know what arguably was a poison - not existing in the human body until injected in a vaccine?  The polio vaccine.  But that vaccine changed history for the better.

FTR, I did not start this thread. My question posed to you was in KeninUtah's traveling to Moscow thread. Why do you have a driving need to move it around?

Boe there is much redacted from the lists of ingredients in all of the vaccines and Big Pharma is not required to disclose them. I am really astonished at the level of stupidity you're displaying and I have no chance of comprehending it. It is truly killing and maiming folks and you have no clue. You are truly lost

[BC]

Fear mongering would be trying to convince the gullible to take the death jab or else they'll die and/or kill others because they didn't. You know, like you do?

Providing contrast to your misguided assertions is not fear-mongering.  But you do bring up a good point. I should be applying Hanlon's Razor more liberally.

[John Gaunt]

FTR, I did not start this thread. My question posed to you was in KeninUtah's traveling to Moscow thread. Why do you have a driving need to move it around?

Boe there is much redacted from the lists of ingredients in all of the vaccines and Big Pharma is not required to disclose them. I am really astonished at the level of stupidity you're displaying and I have no chance of comprehending it. It is truly killing and maiming folks and you have no clue. You are truly lost

No adequate response so a deflection. Lol

[rwd123]

At this point, anyone who denies the risks and injuries (and deaths) sustained by some who have received injections is willfully dishonest, brainwashed or 'unwashed'.

The evidence available points to natural immunity providing greater protection than the injections, injections don't stop transmission, injections don't stop infection, and injections can cause serious harm.

People are more than welcome to make their own informed decisions but I don't believe a great percentage of those who have received injections have done so with free and informed consent. Hell, Pfizer wants to suppress trial data for 75 years. If that doesn't ring alarm bells I don't know what will.

[Boethius]

FP, in Canada, every ingredient in any drug you are taking, whether orally or injected, must be readily available.  So everything I listed is, in fact, all that is in the Pfizer vaccine.

In the UK, as of September 24, 2021, the death rate among the fully vaccinated is 1.10 vs 5.40 for the unvaccinated. (Note, this is per 100,000.)

In Switzerland as of December 4, 2021, the death rate among the fully vaccinated is 0.74 vs 8.63 for the unvaccinated.

In Chile as of December 4, 2021, the death rate among the fully vaccinated plus 1 booster shot is 0.23, among the fully vaccinated, 1.99, and among the partially vaccinated or unvaccinated, 3.15.

In the US, as of October 2, 2021, the death rate among the fully vaccinated with Pfizer is 0.78, among the fully vaccinated with Moderna, 0.86, among the fully vaccinated with Johnson & Johnson, 1.17, among the unvaccinated, 5.0.

Deaths from COVID vaccines, even AstraZeneca, are very rare.

Pfizer wants to suppress trial data for 75 years.

Link?  I have seen results of their studies, so clearly, they aren't suppressing everything.

ETA - I found this.

http://www.euroweeklynews.com/2021/12/09/fda-says-it-needs-75-years-to-release-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-data-to-the-public/

It appears it's the FDA that is having issues, not Pfizer.  I don't even know if I'd call it a restriction.  The FDA needs to go through the information page by page for FOIA requests, it appears.  The 75 years is how long the FDA estimates it will take them to go through all the materials, at 500 pages per month.  The FDA proposes to release high priority information by January.  I am not particularly surprised by this - a government agency reacts bureaucratically, and estimates it can't review more than 23 pages a day of a file.

Here's another opinion on the matter -

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/12/13/55-years-fulfill-records-request-clearly-fda-needs-serious-reform-its-data-sharing-practices/

But this is no coverup. This glacial pace is broadly consistent with the FDA’s standard timelines for fulfilling record requests. The FDA does often prioritize more important documents, but complete responses can take years. The agency’s FOIA office is badly backlogged, with more than 3,000 requests outstanding at the end of 2020. The agency routinely fails to meet response deadlines set by Congress.

[Faux Pas]

FP, in Canada, every ingredient in any drug you are taking, whether orally or injected, must be readily available.  So everything I listed is, in fact, all that is in the Pfizer vaccine.

Keep telling yourself that if you need to

[fathertime]

Keep telling yourself that if you need to

These 'responses' you are giving are completely lame.  She has provided good information.   Maybe it is you that is the uncooperative lemming.   I may be no different in that I haven't got the shot, but I wouldn't pretend I'm right and science is wrong.   For you, you have to pretend to be right, when scientists and stats around the globe by and large are showing the shots are saving more than they are killing. Not everything is some grand worldwide conspiracy.      It is about time you be a good little boy, line up for your meal of Ensure, potato chips, and 'death jab'.

[GQBlues]

These 'responses' you are giving are completely lame.  She has provided good information.   Maybe it is you that is the uncooperative lemming.   I may be no different in that I haven't got the shot, but I wouldn't pretend I'm right and science is wrong.   For you, you have to pretend to be right, when scientists and stats around the globe by and large are showing the shots are saving more than they are killing. Not everything is some grand worldwide conspiracy.      It is about time you be a good little boy, line up for your meal of Ensure, potato chips, and 'death jab'.

Geez...who exactly is the good information keeper in the US these days? CDC? FDA? LMAO! Did you missed all the gyrations and vacillations those two made the past 2 years? CNN? FOX maybe MSNBC?

I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but at least I'd like to believe there's always a very viable argument from both sides. Many Americans lately, especially clearly seen in how the media AND politicians had spread tales and lies many swore to be the 'truth and nothing but the truth' the past 5 years - BLATANTLY - and still are lying to us. Selective censorships, information suppression, false information feed and saturation, etc...Our society had slowly been saturated with mass psychosis. Our society had started acting like wildebeests. They don't know exactly why, but they conform to the general mass movement because of inner drives they pretend to understand but cannot explain. You should read about that.

2 years after this pandemic, there isn't a medical institution (Not Harvard, not John Hopkins, etc..) that had established a treatment protocol to treat and prevent hospitalization and death from COVID-19. None. All roads, according to our institutions, must lead to vaccination!! Bar none. WHY? Doesn't that strike you weird? Can you grasp how many likely need not die had there actually been a treatment protocol established by any of the hundreds, if not thousands, of medical institutions in the US and worldwide?

Here, I'll give you a little math exercise as it relates to vaccinated people dying of COVID-19 and what the realistic values are. I will isolate the exercise in the most vulnerable segment of our society. The old farts.

Total # of residents in certified nursing facilities in the US - report dated 2020 (caveat, not sure if the number of resident in NY was before or after Andrew Cuomo killed many of them - hahah (visualize Tucker Carlson laugh here)

1,290,177 old farts. Report in the year of 2020
Citation

US estimated number of personnel working in these nursing facilities:
600,000+. Roughly a 2:1 ratio residents to staff. Pretty good ratio.
Citation

Data from Center for Medical Services (CMS), updated as recently as December 10, 2021, are the following:
86.8% of vaccinated residents per facility; 75.9% vaccinated staff per facility.
Citation

Active cases of COVID-19: Resident 734,953; Staff: 686,520 (for better or worse - figuratively all of them)
Death: Residents 140,794; Staff 2,162. (in essence, reflects what we generally know. Old farts die with greater frequency than the young).

So if we took those silly numbers cited above for the US, even using the 'reported' Pfizer low death rate of .78/100K vs. (high) reported death rate of Trump supporters of 5/100K - go ahead, exercise your basic mathematic acuity and see if those *reported* ratio resembles the actual 'controlled' study report with nursing homes report. Tell me what you find.

Moreover, to report Pfizer have a lower death rate than Moderna is faulty, if not CNNesque because a) Pfizer is used far more widely than Moderna, and b) Moderna actually have 96.3% effectiveness than Pfizer's 88.8%.
Citation

Always be skeptical when you read or hear reports about most of those dying are the unvaccinated, etc. While there is in fact 'some' mortality benefit in vaccination (age/ immuno-compromised) - it is on a wider scale - and all things considered (age/health state - statistically insignificant)). Use rational thinking in your evaluation of what we know now, and how to best apply them. Never be driven to be swayed, and easily stake your belief and argument solely by your emotion - those you like from those you do not. Understand what *Differential Treatment* means and its purpose in the current era of COVID-19/Vaccine.

If you have the time and/or interest, it will behoove you to read John Hopkins’ The SPARS Pandemic 2025-2028: A Futuristic Scenario to Facilitate Countermeasure Communication.
http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/Center-projects/completed-projects/spars-pandemic-scenario.html

It's that 89-page PDF file just to your right on this page. You’ll be surprised to know these vaccines had been under development at least 2 years before the first known case of COVID-19.

[fathertime]

I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but at least I'd like to believe there's always a very viable argument from both sides. Many Americans lately, especially clearly seen in how the media AND politicians had spread tales and lies many swore to be the 'truth and nothing but the truth' the past 5 years - BLATANTLY - and still are lying to us. Selective censorships, information suppression, false information feed and saturation, etc...Our society had slowly been saturated with mass psychosis. Our society had started acting like wildebeests. They don't know exactly why, but they conform to the general mass movement because of inner drives they pretend to understand but cannot explain. You should read about that.

 

Ha!  I'm envisioning a herd of buffalo suddenly all in unison taking off! Most of us poor people just don't know what to do and just instinctively join in.    Personally, I'm just holding my position as a not interested in vax, for better or worse....at this time.  I held my position once when I shattered my thumb, wouldn't see a doctor for a month because I didn't think it was too bad.  Of course, I'm no great example, by the time I saw the doc, I had caused more/permanent damage.   In the case of the covard virus, the permanent damage can be a minor case of death.

Fathertime! 

[Jumper1]

Its personal risk assessment  , with  a world mortality rate of  0.007

Obviously in third world countries losing tens of thousands weekly  under regular conditions, the ones being related to covid might be underreported, but the healthcare availability isn't as good which offsets that some.

So living in a western nation, it would come down to ones own age and health factors.

The primary fear mongering done on both sides clouds the amount of real health concern for the average person.

I'm not very risk adverse in general.

I also was very sick back.in February  March the prior year when this first broke and noone in.my area had tests for it.
I was given the normal course.of treatment for pneumonia.
 Whatever it was had me down for a long time and longer recovery than I've ever had.

Never was curious enough to get an antibody test now that they are available to see.

[BC]

You’ll be surprised to know these vaccines had been under development at least 2 years before the first known case of COVID-19.[/size][/font]

No surprise at all.

http://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/01/21/fact-check-covid-19-vaccine-nearly-20-years-making/3873247001/

This was discussed in prior forum threads a while back.

[fathertime]

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So living in a western nation, it would come down to ones own age and health factors.

The primary fear mongering done on both sides clouds the amount of real health concern for the average person.

 

Mostly true, although I saw a buddy (With no risk factors) have to fight for his life and still dealing with health effects months later. 
To this point, it seems omicron isn't as bad as the original version of the virus.  Overall, it seems to me that society just needs to move towards normalcy.  Those with considerable risk factors should protect themselves. 

Fathertime!

[Boethius]

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=25438.msg560985#msg560985

I disagree with you, Bill.

The UK has a centre of right government, which has encouraged vaccinations for its population.  My province is run by a very right wing government, yet it has encouraged full vaccination.  It has bribed the vaccine hesitant with cash ($200 for full vaccination), and government run lotteries for the vaccinated.  Provincially, we are now at a little over 77% fully vaccinated.  Those working in government must be vaccinated, or be placed on leave.

I don't think it's a "left/right" paradigm.  I think it's a science/anti science paradigm.

[BC]

I don't think it's a "left/right" paradigm.  I think it's a science/anti science paradigm.

Reticence and objection to vaccines are the direct product of propagandized disinformation, purposefully construed to leverage fear, uncertainty, and doubt to gain political, financial, and other influential powers.  Creating loud and captive audiences leveraged at beck and call, using false, dubious, and illogical sound bites for any deceitful cause or purpose is nothing new. 

It is straight from argumentum in terrorem chapter of the logical fallacy playbook, often used to create and promote anti-social causes and gain power by fueling a strategy of divide et impera.  Essentially, entire movements are created, with near-total reliance on self-amplifying fallacies that instill mistrust of governing bodies and even within them.

The big difference over the past is that today, it all starts with just a few mouse click, at nearly the speed of light, and is almost instantly monetized.

Unfortunately, despite the many hard-learned lessons in history, far too many of us still fall into the trap without even recognizing it.

[Faux Pas]

Reticence and objection Acceptance and encouraging others to covid death jabs are the direct product of propagandized disinformation, purposefully construed to leverage fear, uncertainty, and doubt to gain political, financial, and other influential powers.  Creating loud and captive audiences leveraged at beck and call, using false, dubious, and illogical sound bites for any deceitful cause or purpose is nothing new. 

It is straight from argumentum in terrorem chapter of the logical fallacy playbook, often used to create and promote anti-social causes and gain power by fueling a strategy of divide et impera.  Essentially, entire movements are created, with near-total reliance on self-amplifying fallacies that instill mistrust of governing bodies and even within them.

The big difference over the past is that today, it all starts with just a few mouse click, at nearly the speed of light, and is almost instantly monetized.

Unfortunately, despite the many hard-learned lessons in history, far too many of us still fall into the trap without even recognizing it.

There, fixed that for you. You're welcome

[BC]

FP,

Thanks for providing a perfect example that fully substantiates and validates the premise of the unaltered version of my post.

[GQBlues]

News came to us late afternoon yesterday that 3 of our field folks tested positive, another is sick at home and not yet tested. All 4 vaccinated, one boosted.

We had our Xmas dinner last Friday. The suspicion of course was that was where the guys got dinged. Wifey urged I get tested, so did sometime after learning of the news. Batman result - undetected. Must be my silly waning natural immunity. How fitting, I thought, from all these recent discussion.

Either I am so lucky since Darrel, one of the guys down, was seated next to me almost the entire time, or could be that avocado smoothie / Vit. D I have for my breakfast that did it.

Poor guys, hopeful for their speedy recoveries. After all, the vaccine is supposed to keep them from hospitalization.
   

Life.