Anyone here thinking of becoming a War Tourist in Ukraine?

[Trenchcoat]

So anyone here willing to stand by their conviction of standing up to Putin and fighting him by joining the International Foreign Battalion to fight in Ukraine?

Or anyone who of anyone who has decided upon the path of a war tourist and joined up?

Would be interested to hear if any reports of these wannabe Rambo's and how they get on also. No doubt they envision themselves as taking on the whole Russian army all by themselves and becoming the hero of the hour just like our man himself:

[John Gaunt]

So anyone here willing to stand by their conviction of standing up to Putin and fighting him by joining the International Foreign Battalion to fight in Ukraine?

Or anyone who of anyone who has decided upon the path of a war tourist and joined up?

Would be interested to hear if any reports of these wannabe Rambo's and how they get on also. No doubt they envision themselves as taking on the whole Russian army all by themselves and becoming the hero of the hour just like our man himself:

You show yourself to be more deranged with every stupid post you make.

[BC]

Trench,

This is not a war game, nor is it an adventure movie.

What in the world is your interest in starting such inane lines of discourse?  Got some skin in the game?  Got the balls to do anything you describe here?  No.

I'll tell ya.. it's pure schadenfreude.  You're getting your pebbles jiggled by turning a terrible situation into some perverted form of self-gratification. 

Trench-porn, that's all. A sad attempt at justifying your sorry-ass life, and despicable mind.

[fathertime]

So anyone here willing to stand by their conviction of standing up to Putin and fighting him by joining the International Foreign Battalion to fight in Ukraine?

Or anyone who of anyone who has decided upon the path of a war tourist and joined up?

Would be interested to hear if any reports of these wannabe Rambo's and how they get on also. No doubt they envision themselves as taking on the whole Russian army all by themselves and becoming the hero of the hour just like our man himself:

From what I've been reading, there are a lot of people that are going to Ukraine to fight.  Western media has people all fired up.  Other sources state the US is paying mercenaries to enter the fight.  That is an advantage of having money.   Assuming 1 or both of these statements are correct, Russia will probably feel more pressure to get even more aggressive.  Continue to deprioritize civilians' safety in order to meet the objective. Russia seems to have indicated if those types are captured, they are going to suffer a punishment worse than normal POW's.  Perhaps something akin to Guantanamo Bay.

Fathertime! 

[Chelseaboy]

Trench,

This is not a war game, nor is it an adventure movie.

What in the world is your interest in starting such inane lines of discourse?  Got some skin in the game?  Got the balls to do anything you describe here?  No.

I'll tell ya.. it's pure schadenfreude.  You're getting your pebbles jiggled by turning a terrible situation into some perverted form of self-gratification. 

Trench-porn, that's all. A sad attempt at justifying your sorry-ass life, and despicable mind.

I don't understand why Trench bothers with trying to get hold of a Ukrainian woman.


He has no empathy towards Ukrainians at all.,,which a Ukrainian woman will sense very quickly and either dump him quickly or get as much out of him as she can before dumping him.

[Trenchcoat]

I don't understand why Trench bothers with trying to get hold of a Ukrainian woman.


He has no empathy towards Ukrainians at all.,,which a Ukrainian woman will sense very quickly and either dump him quickly or get as much out of him as she can before dumping him.

I have empathy for the Ukrainian people having to suffer this misery that Putin inflicts on them. I don't think it's at all pleasant for Ukrainian people to have to bear.

The question I asked was separate to that, it was about western guys getting all gun ho about going out there. I am just intrigued by their motivations for doing so and their story that's all.

[Jumper1]

Other sources state the US is paying mercenaries to enter the fight.  That is an advantage of having money.

You were just saying yesterday what's good for the goose is good for the gander  as a point of
view  russia might take in its invasion of another country.

   Wagner pmc understood to be owned by putins pal  Yevgeny Prigozhin,
Has been used in past conflicts and
certainly verified in Ukraine  in donbass as a way for russia to have military present while politically denying it.

The westnescalating things?  Arms,sanctions etc Sure ! and at some point they should.
 the entire premise of the current escalation was largely soundbites from.putin regarding donbass and russias recognition of them as independent of ukraine,
 after having these paid russian mercenaries there for 8 years.
Youd also have to have an active imagination not to recogize russian forces were  there in those years without insignia.

So since it's good for the goose...

I agree it could escalate things,,at some point putin would back down.
If that scares some, well that's the nature of a world power stretching its military might in a touchy region

Proof he does have a line he wont cross?
 Border nato countries Estonia and Latvia,  have not been invaded to demilitarize them.
No troops or tanks are rolling into poland out of kaliningrad .

Not a peep out of puti about those nato neighbors, because why?
Because primarly we hold that line in the sand, eastern block nations rush to join NATO,for damn good reason.

The reason couldn't be more clearly apparent right now could it?

Take your view along its path,what if *estonia is next? Should we let the bear annex it as well or is that too far?

Pull out of nato and become isolationist?

I'm not postulating something impossible with estonia.

Russias history.of border annexing by the method of  stirring trouble, recognizing a regions independence, going in to protect thier* civilians. taking a big bite,concede to small bite,repeat,is decades old and routine
Chechnya,Georgia, Ukraine/Crimea donbass
Why are kazakhs a minority in thier own country?


 

[Admin]

So anyone here willing to stand by their conviction of standing up to Putin and fighting him by joining the International Foreign Battalion to fight in Ukraine?

Or anyone who of anyone who has decided upon the path of a war tourist and joined up?

Would be interested to hear if any reports of these wannabe Rambo's and how they get on also. No doubt they envision themselves as taking on the whole Russian army all by themselves and becoming the hero of the hour just like our man himself:

Projection of your own fantasies onto others is unhealthy.

There are many ways to take action in support of Ukraine. Personal circumstances will dictate the most prudent and effective course.

[Admin]

I have empathy for the Ukrainian people having to suffer this misery that Putin inflicts on them. 1. I don't think it's at all pleasant for Ukrainian people to have to bear.

The question I asked was separate to that, it was about western guys getting all gun ho about going out there. 2. I am just intrigued by their motivations for doing so and their story that's all.

1. Yeah? You think it might not be PLEASANT for Ukrainian people to have their lives uprooted and their family members killed and their homes destroyed?!? Good Lord .... some of the stuff you post .... I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you make it damn difficult.


2. You are being disingenuous. You posted the question here, of all places, in a thinly-veiled attempt to challenge member's convictions. If you were sincere about wanting to learn of the motivations of non-Ukrainians willing to physically do battle; (a) you would post on a forum more likely to have people of the right age, skillset and personal circumstances, and (b) you should expect little or no response as they will be a bit busy.


As it is, your posts are borderline trollish.

[Admin]

You were just saying yesterday what's good for the goose is good for the gander  as a point of
view  russia might take in its invasion of another country.

   Wagner pmc understood to be owned by putins pal  Yevgeny Prigozhin,
Has been used in past conflicts and
certainly verified in Ukraine  in donbass as a way for russia to have military present while politically denying it.

The westnescalating things?  Arms,sanctions etc Sure ! and at some point they should.
 the entire premise of the current escalation was largely soundbites from.putin regarding donbass and russias recognition of them as independent of ukraine,
 after having these paid russian mercenaries there for 8 years.
Youd also have to have an active imagination not to recogize russian forces were  there in those years without insignia.

So since it's good for the goose...

I agree it could escalate things,,at some point putin would back down.
If that scares some, well that's the nature of a world power stretching its military might in a touchy region

Proof he does have a line he wont cross?
 Border nato countries Estonia and Latvia,  have not been invaded to demilitarize them.
No troops or tanks are rolling into poland out of kaliningrad .

Not a peep out of puti about those nato neighbors, because why?
Because primarly we hold that line in the sand, eastern block nations rush to join NATO,for damn good reason.

The reason couldn't be more clearly apparent right now could it?

Take your view along its path,what if *estonia is next? Should we let the bear annex it as well or is that too far?

Pull out of nato and become isolationist?

I'm not postulating something impossible with estonia.

Russias history.of border annexing by the method of  stirring trouble, recognizing a regions independence, going in to protect thier* civilians. taking a big bite,concede to small bite,repeat,is decades old and routine
Chechnya,Georgia, Ukraine/Crimea donbass
Why are kazakhs a minority in thier own country?


 

It's absolutely not impossible. The aggressions by Russia targeting bordering nations (not only Ukraine) is DRIVING membership into NATO. The very thing Putin says he is trying to protect against, he is creating - a line of NATO countries along Russia's border.

Like any narcissist, he refuses to (or cannot) recognize his own part in this process. The more he struggles to prevent it, the more he creates impetus to form it. Whether it is the law of unintended consequences in play or part of some grander plan and play on Russia's part, time will tell.

[Trenchcoat]

There are many ways to take action in support of Ukraine. Personal circumstances will dictate the most prudent and effective course.

Indeed earlier on I donated £1 to the Disasters Emergency Committee - Ukraine Humanitarian Appeal. In future if ever a Ukrainian girl asks me if I contributed I can honestly say yes I have and not be subject to their bs detector calling me out.

[fathertime]

You were just saying yesterday what's good for the goose is good for the gander  as a point of
view  russia might take in its invasion of another country.

   Wagner pmc understood to be owned by putins pal  Yevgeny Prigozhin,
Has been used in past conflicts and
certainly verified in Ukraine  in donbass as a way for russia to have military present while politically denying it.

The westnescalating things?  Arms,sanctions etc Sure ! and at some point they should.
 the entire premise of the current escalation was largely soundbites from.putin regarding donbass and russias recognition of them as independent of ukraine,
 after having these paid russian mercenaries there for 8 years.
Youd also have to have an active imagination not to recogize russian forces were  there in those years without insignia.

So since it's good for the goose...

I agree it could escalate things,,at some point putin would back down.
If that scares some, well that's the nature of a world power stretching its military might in a touchy region

Proof he does have a line he wont cross?
 Border nato countries Estonia and Latvia,  have not been invaded to demilitarize them.
No troops or tanks are rolling into poland out of kaliningrad .

Not a peep out of puti about those nato neighbors, because why?
Because primarly we hold that line in the sand, eastern block nations rush to join NATO,for damn good reason.

The reason couldn't be more clearly apparent right now could it?

Take your view along its path,what if *estonia is next? Should we let the bear annex it as well or is that too far?

Pull out of nato and become isolationist?

I'm not postulating something impossible with estonia.

Russias history.of border annexing by the method of  stirring trouble, recognizing a regions independence, going in to protect thier* civilians. taking a big bite,concede to small bite,repeat,is decades old and routine
Chechnya,Georgia, Ukraine/Crimea donbass
Why are kazakhs a minority in thier own country?


 

Thanks for all the food for thought. 
Fathertime!   

[Chelseaboy]

According to the Ukraine Defence Minister 66,224 Ukrainians have returned from abroad to fight against the Russian invaders.


These are not war tourists of course,but patriots fighting for their country of birth.

[Trenchcoat]

Well here is a good example of a UK war tourist to kick us off:

http://www.joe.co.uk/news/ukraine-tourism-the-brit-who-got-stuck-in-afghanistan-hes-in-ukraine-and-hungry-for-war-320938

http://www.euronews.com/travel/2022/02/25/disaster-tourism-why-is-this-british-man-flying-to-ukraine

The guy is obviously out to make a name for himself and has a major chip on his shoulder. He stays in hotels away from any real trouble preferring to prance around no doubt the more safer areas of the country. He's basically a child who hasn't grown up nor realises the full horrors of war, nor been subjected to them, but he like to big it up for his image on the gram, probably hoping it will help him with the women or lead to celebrity status or something.

I don't reckon this guy really has any real intention of getting involved in any fighting. To my mind he's being pretty selfish in tying up resources when he wants out or if he gets in harm's way. These types of guys are really just a bloody nuisance and a pain in the arse being there like the SAS guy says he'll be bother for the army trying to rescue him when they can't afford to be dealing with that. The guy basically needs a good slap, a major ego there.

Well are all 'war tourists' the same? As the article points out there are those that go there with genuine intentions to fight and not necessarily for the excitement of it all. Those that will go there wanting an actual military role, maybe in the front line. I think it's plausible that some of those that volunteer could be useful but many that are may come back dead and that's just what happens in war and not necessarily any fault of their own.

So I wouldn't hold it against any members here to get involved not think they are in the same boat as the above guy if they believe military intervention is the way to go.

[Steven1971]

This is a really easy way to donate money to the Ukrainian army. I have sent $60. I would have liked to have sent more, but January and February are traditionally quiet periods in my line of work so I didn't do as many hours as I wanted.

There's more than one way of stopping the Russian bear.


http://bank.gov.ua/en/news/all/natsionalniy-bank-vidkriv-spetsrahunok-dlya-zboru-koshtiv-na-potrebi-armiyi?fbclid=IwAR0mP6PUkVC5wZLmY0dfrMRZ3-F1BvA7V4JOMG39xlN07zeHU7NcAciaQAc

[Steven1971]

ANother way to help Ukraine and not leaving home

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/mar/03/ukraine-airbnbs-booked-in-effort-to-get-money-to-residents-pay-not-stay?s=15

[Trenchcoat]

ANother way to help Ukraine and not leaving home

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/mar/03/ukraine-airbnbs-booked-in-effort-to-get-money-to-residents-pay-not-stay?s=15

That's kind of really bizarre, not sure whether Airbnb Landlords are the most in need, I would have thought likely the least but no telling I guess depends on circumstance I suppose.

[Admin]

That's kind of really bizarre, not sure whether Airbnb Landlords are the most in need, I would have thought likely the least but no telling I guess depends on circumstance I suppose.

Similar thought process to Stalin and the tin roofs of the peasantry's pig sties.

[Admin]

This is a really easy way to donate money to the Ukrainian army. I have sent $60. I would have liked to have sent more, but January and February are traditionally quiet periods in my line of work so I didn't do as many hours as I wanted.

There's more than one way of stopping the Russian bear.


http://bank.gov.ua/en/news/all/natsionalniy-bank-vidkriv-spetsrahunok-dlya-zboru-koshtiv-na-potrebi-armiyi?fbclid=IwAR0mP6PUkVC5wZLmY0dfrMRZ3-F1BvA7V4JOMG39xlN07zeHU7NcAciaQAc

Thanks for posting that information Steven.

[Steven1971]

Indeed earlier on I donated £1 to the Disasters Emergency Committee - Ukraine Humanitarian Appeal. In future if ever a Ukrainian girl asks me if I contributed I can honestly say yes I have and not be subject to their bs detector calling me out.

I got 3 on my Trench bingo card.

[Chelseaboy]

This is a really easy way to donate money to the Ukrainian army. I have sent $60. I would have liked to have sent more, but January and February are traditionally quiet periods in my line of work so I didn't do as many hours as I wanted.

There's more than one way of stopping the Russian bear.


http://bank.gov.ua/en/news/all/natsionalniy-bank-vidkriv-spetsrahunok-dlya-zboru-koshtiv-na-potrebi-armiyi?fbclid=IwAR0mP6PUkVC5wZLmY0dfrMRZ3-F1BvA7V4JOMG39xlN07zeHU7NcAciaQAc

Thanks for that Steve and first donation made.


I've also made the same donation to the Disaster Emergency Committee -Ukraine fund.


There's no point in sitting here whining about the Russian invasion of Ukraine if i'm not prepared to do my bit to help Ukraine and it's people in it's time of need.

[John Gaunt]

Thanks for that Steve and first donation made.


I've also made the same donation to the Disaster Emergency Committee -Ukraine fund.


There's no point in sitting here whining about the Russian invasion of Ukraine if i'm not prepared to do my bit to help Ukraine and it's people in it's time of need.

I made a $500 donation direct to the Ukrainian war effort. Donations can be made to an account at the National Bank of Ukraine.

War fund for Ukraine

[ML]

I made a $500 donation direct to the Ukrainian war effort. Donations can be made to an account at the National Bank of Ukraine.

War fund for Ukraine

John and others.  I have not found your info to be useful.

Would you please give a step by step process that you followed?

i.e.  Did you walk into your local bank and do what ?
Did you use a Master Card, a Visa Card, a PayPal account or what?
I clicked on the website you gave and clicked on 'Transfer from a Card'
This tried to take for a site for 'Liquid Pay' which just spun and spun.
But even if one gets into that website it probably is only useful to those who have Liquid Pay set up.
A website is need that takes Master Card, Visa Card, PayPal, etc.
So tell us the detailed steps how you actually donated $500.

[Chelseaboy]

I just clicked on the link Steve gave in post 14 and it took me straight to the Ukraine Bank website.


You put down how much you want to donate,put your card details in below and press pay.


My bank put up a verification code to send to my mobile to confirm the Mastercard payment.


I put the code when i received it onto my banks page and done.


You'll get a thank you from the Ukraine bank when it goes through.

[John Gaunt]

John and others.  I have not found your info to be useful.

Would you please give a step by step process that you followed?

i.e.  Did you walk into your local bank and do what ?
Did you use a Master Card, a Visa Card, a PayPal account or what?
I clicked on the website you gave and clicked on 'Transfer from a Card'
This tried to take for a site for 'Liquid Pay' which just spun and spun.
But even if one gets into that website it probably is only useful to those who have Liquid Pay set up.
A website is need that takes Master Card, Visa Card, PayPal, etc.
So tell us the detailed steps how you actually donated $500.

ML, I set up an online payment from my personal account to one if the accounts in the linked. Very straightforward using the IBAN code, once the beneficiary details are set up its a click and the transaction is done.