Putin making noises about a declaration of war against Russia.

[Chelseaboy]

Mad Vlad has said the number of western sanctions against Russia over Ukraine is akin to a
declaration of war against Russia.


If that's his thinking should NATO now be thinking "ok if that's what he thinks we might as well go in and obliterate his military and save Ukraine "?

[ML]

Mad Vlad has said the number of western sanctions against Russia over Ukraine is akin to a
declaration of war against Russia.


If that's his thinking should NATO now be thinking "ok if that's what he thinks we might as well go in and obliterate his military and save Ukraine "?

I agree completely.

There is going to be a war between the west and Russia.

It should be started immediately before thousands or millions of Ukrainians are slaughtered.

It is possible that if the west would only institute a no-fly zone over Ukraine, the Ukrainians would destroy the Russian terrorists invaders.

Remember the 'under resourced' South almost defeated the Union because the South was fighting on its territory.  Always a huge advantage.

[2tallbill]

It should be started immediately before thousands or millions of Ukrainians are slaughtered.

It is possible that if the west would only institute a no-fly zone over Ukraine, the Ukrainians would destroy the Russian terrorists invaders.

Remember the 'under resourced' South almost defeated the Union because the South was fighting on its territory.  Always a huge advantage.

How many young Americans do you want to sacrifice for this? The USA doesn't
have the ability to protect Ukrainians in Ukraine. We would need to move
half a million troops to Europe to have a chance and we would always be
outnumbered, traveling further, logistics would be a nightmare and it
would take months and months just to get people and war materials
on location.

The war will be over before we got started.

No fly zone? How do you expect that to be possible? The Russians are
not camel herders who have sex with goats behind sand dunes. They
have 900K in their army and 2 million in the reserves 99% of them
are in Europe right now.

None of our allies would support us in war against Russia. Where are
we going to land our troops? Ukraine is not next to an Ocean, we can't
use carrier/sea based operations.

Maybe we could go through the North Sea land them in Gdynia? We can't
even get to Ukraine with heavy stuff. Sure we could fly a few airborne infantry
anywhere, but you are pissing into the ocean trying to raise the tide. 

[ML]

Yes Bill, we know where your true feelings lay.

[Admin]

Yes Bill, we know where your true feelings lay.

I think Bill is looking at this through the lens of what it would take to be successful. He has obviously given it thought. It's a safe bet that US, NATO and European planners have looked at, and are continuing to look at, all options to neutralize Russia.

[fathertime]

How many young Americans do you want to sacrifice for this? The USA doesn't
have the ability to protect Ukrainians in Ukraine. We would need to move
half a million troops to Europe to have a chance and we would always be
outnumbered, traveling further, logistics would be a nightmare and it
would take months and months just to get people and war materials
on location.

The war will be over before we got started.

No fly zone? How do you expect that to be possible? The Russians are
not camel herders who have sex with goats behind sand dunes. They
have 900K in their army and 2 million in the reserves 99% of them
are in Europe right now.

None of our allies would support us in war against Russia. Where are
we going to land our troops? Ukraine is not next to an Ocean, we can't
use carrier/sea based operations.

Maybe we could go through the North Sea land them in Gdansk? We can't
even get to Ukraine with heavy stuff. Sure we could fly a few airborne infantry
anywhere, but you are pissing into the ocean trying to raise the tide.

Overall, If the west were to launch a ground war, I think it is certain the west would prevail, in part because of all the European countries that would get involved.    Reality is the cost would be tremendous.  My belief is Putin would launch all the weaponry available to him to not lose.  Right or wrong, Ukraine has apparently been a red line for Russia.   On the whole, Russia doesn't seem to have many other red lines. 

Fathertime! 

[Admin]

Overall, If the west were to launch a ground war, I think it is certain the west would prevail, in part because of all the European countries that would get involved.    Reality is the cost would be tremendous.  My belief is Putin would launch all the weaponry available to him to not lose.  Right or wrong, Ukraine has apparently been a red line for Russia.   On the whole, Russia doesn't seem to have many other red lines. 

Fathertime!

His "red line" involves seizing sovereign territory?!? The same territory Russia provided border integrity guarantees earlier.

Once again, you fail to understand the peoples and their history which then undermines your ability to speak to their likely actions or motivations.

[John Gaunt]

How many young Americans do you want to sacrifice for this? The USA doesn't
have the ability to protect Ukrainians in Ukraine. We would need to move
half a million troops to Europe to have a chance and we would always be
outnumbered, traveling further, logistics would be a nightmare and it
would take months and months just to get people and war materials
on location.

The war will be over before we got started.

No fly zone? How do you expect that to be possible? The Russians are
not camel herders who have sex with goats behind sand dunes. They
have 900K in their army and 2 million in the reserves 99% of them
are in Europe right now.

None of our allies would support us in war against Russia. Where are
we going to land our troops? Ukraine is not next to an Ocean, we can't
use carrier/sea based operations.

Maybe we could go through the North Sea land them in Gdansk? We can't
even get to Ukraine with heavy stuff. Sure we could fly a few airborne infantry
anywhere, but you are pissing into the ocean trying to raise the tide.

So the USA should have stayed at home during WW2 because it ticked the ‘too difficult box’?

Any war on the European continent would require mobilisation on a massive scale and a national effort.
It won’t be easy but it depends whether you believe life and liberty are worth fighting for, or does that only apply to American lives and liberty?

[Admin]

So the USA should have stayed at home during WW2 because it ticked the ‘too difficult box’?

Any war on the European continent would require mobilisation on a massive scale and a national effort.
It won’t be easy but it depends whether you believe life and liberty are worth fighting for, or does that only apply to American lives and liberty?

In matters of a country's blood and treasure, there are undeniable nationalistic interests playing a decisive role.

I cannot speak for 2tallbill, but I know a number of Texans. The idea of knocking the teeth out of a bully would be quite appealing to most of the ones I know. I suspect it's true for 2tall as well. As I wrote earlier, I feel quite certain there are planners considering all options to neutralize Russian aggression. I doubt any action will be taken in time to save Ukraine as we currently know it, no matter how much I wish it might be different.

[John Gaunt]

In matters of a country's blood and treasure, there are undeniable nationalistic interests playing a decisive role.

I cannot speak for 2tallbill, but I know a number of Texans. The idea of knocking the teeth out of a bully would be quite appealing to most of the ones I know. I suspect it's true for 2tall as well. As I wrote earlier, I feel quite certain there are planners considering all options to neutralize Russian aggression. I doubt any action will be taken in time to save Ukraine as we currently know it, no matter how much I wish it might be different.

They would be foolish if all options and scenarios are not being gamed.
There are no easy options, and yes, I agree that for Ukraine it will be too late.

[BillyB]

I joined the US Army during a war to liberate Kuwait. I've learned a lot since. Too many people are getting their emotions played by the media. It's easy to want to send someone else's kids to die for our agenda, in this case to liberate Ukraine. Too many years Russia has been blamed for everything and governments and the media has conditioned us to hate Russia. Much of what Russia was accused of wasn't true. Western governments and their media have intentionally angered Russia with false accusations. They have an agenda and it isn't good.


Russia would not have invaded Ukraine if they weren't backed into a corner. They've talked about their concerns for years only to be ignored by Western governments.


America would've gone to war with the Soviets if the Soviets didn't remove the nukes from Cuba. At the time, most Americans would be okay with Cuba civilians becoming collateral damage in an effort to take control of Cuba to remove the nukes.


 I counted 11 biolabs Western governments installed in Ukraine. Western governments have allowed civilians like George Soros to get involved in creating the most deadly pathogens known to man. Toying with pathogens to see what they can evolve into and what they do to animals and human blood cells. These pathogens are considered biological weapons and weapons of mass destruction. Just because they are created outside our nations doesn't mean they don't violate treaties. Why did Western governments decide to do this in Ukraine instead of in our own countries where the risk of these pathogens escaping are significantly lower? Ukraine is still a corrupt nation. If you have a troubled kid who deals with cops on a regular basis, you don't give the kid a gun/biolab as he's more likely to be killed. Western governments risked the lives of Ukrainians for their own agenda. Western governments took their agenda too far. They aren't stupid. They pushed Russia to the limit and they were successful. They wanted this war like they wanted the war with Iraq.


So now we won't support Ukraine with troops but we give them enough weapons to drag out the war, the misery and increase the body count. America was involved in Vietnam for 12 years and had no strategy to quickly end the war. Currently America has no strategy to quickly end the war in Ukraine. Sanctions don't work. They never worked.

[Admin]

I joined the US Army during a war to liberate Kuwait. I've learned a lot since. 1. Too many people are getting their emotions played by the media.  It's easy to want to send someone else's kids to die for our agenda, in this case to liberate Ukraine. Too many years Russia has been blamed for everything and governments and the media has conditioned us to hate Russia. Much of what Russia was accused of wasn't true. Western governments and their media have intentionally angered Russia with false accusations. They have an agenda and it isn't good.


2. Russia would not have invaded Ukraine if they weren't backed into a corner. They've talked about their concerns for years only to be ignored by Western governments.


America would've gone to war with the Soviets if the Soviets didn't remove the nukes from Cuba. At the time, most Americans would be okay with Cuba civilians becoming collateral damage in an effort to take control of Cuba to remove the nukes.


3. I counted 11 biolabs Western governments installed in Ukraine. Western governments have allowed civilians like George Soros to get involved in creating the most deadly pathogens known to man. Toying with pathogens to see what they can evolve into and what they do to animals and human blood cells. These pathogens are considered biological weapons and weapons of mass destruction. Just because they are created outside our nations doesn't mean they don't violate treaties. Why did Western governments decide to do this in Ukraine instead of in our own countries where the risk of these pathogens escaping are significantly lower? Ukraine is still a corrupt nation. If you have a troubled kid who deals with cops on a regular basis, you don't give the kid a gun/biolab as he's more likely to be killed. Western governments risked the lives of Ukrainians for their own agenda. Western governments took their agenda too far. They aren't stupid. They pushed Russia to the limit and they were successful.  They wanted this war like they wanted the war with Iraq.


So now we won't support Ukraine with troops but we give them enough weapons to drag out the war, the misery and increase the body count. America was involved in Vietnam for 12 years and had no strategy to quickly end the war. Currently America has no strategy to quickly end the war in Ukraine. Sanctions don't work. They never worked.

1. The old trope of blaming the media wears thin. Most here are intelligent enough to review multiple sources and then draw their own conclusions. Media from sources around the globe display images of death, destruction and suffering of civilian populations. That is emotional.

Do you not recognize the supreme arrogance in claiming everyone is being misled by the media, but you are not?!? Can you not accept the FACT that others are just as intelligent, just as inquisitive, just as resourceful, and just as informed as you - but they come to a different conclusion?!?


2. Backed into a corner? Are you serious? Casting Russia as the victim is ludicrous.


3. This is QAnon nonsense. Utter bullshit.

Let's be clear .... this is a particularly emotional time for our members. In the past when major world events have struck, the normal moderation policies at RWD were relaxed. In retrospect, that was a mistake. Very recently off-topic and/or disruptive posts were summarily removed. That will continue so long as members fail to police themselves and keep their posts ON-TOPIC and RELEVANT. Posts targeting other members or containing content targeting other members will be summarily removed. Post containing inflammatory and unproven conspiracy theories will be summarily removed. Posts of any sort deemed by the moderators to be afield of our mission at RWD will be summarily removed.

[Admin]

Mad Vlad has said the number of western sanctions against Russia over Ukraine is akin to a
declaration of war against Russia.


If that's his thinking should NATO now be thinking "ok if that's what he thinks we might as well go in and obliterate his military and save Ukraine "?

Indeed. The list of countries with active sanctions against Russia include: United States, UK, EU, Australia, Canada, Japan, Norway, Ukraine, Albania, Iceland, Montenegro, Singapore, South Korea .... and I suspect I missed some.

Essentially Russia is saying all those nations declared war on Russia. While the argument is specious, the potential consequences could easily become profound. The United Nations Charter has made such declarations obsolete. Perhaps there is something in Russian law that comes into play. I seem to recall something about US law saying that if another country declares war on the US, it obviates any need for formal declaration on the part of the US - essentially saying that if another country declares war, then war is enjoined immediately.


Obviously this increases the threat of a broader war. It remains to be seen if it is mere sabre-rattling or far more egregious.

[fathertime]

 . Too many people are getting their emotions played by the media. It's easy to want to send someone else's kids to die for our agenda, in this case to liberate Ukraine. Too many years Russia has been blamed for everything and governments and the media has conditioned us to hate Russia. Much of what Russia was accused of wasn't true. Western governments and their media have intentionally angered Russia with false accusations. They have an agenda and it isn't good.
 

I run into people that don't know much of anything but know that "Russia is bad".  They are watching the glossed over news which of course glosses over the complexity of the entire situation. 

Russia would not have invaded Ukraine if they weren't backed into a corner. They've talked about their concerns for years only to be ignored by Western governments.


America would've gone to war with the Soviets if the Soviets didn't remove the nukes from Cuba. At the time, most Americans would be okay with Cuba civilians becoming collateral damage in an effort to take control of Cuba to remove the nukes.

I think the west was looking to push this towards a war situation.    Prior to anything happening militarily, there were solutions.  They would been more palatable to Russia than others but they are the big stick in the region so that is how the world operates.    Now, instead thousands or millions will eventually die.     

Fathertime!   

[2tallbill]

Yes Bill, we know where your true feelings lay.

No, obviously you don't. We don't have people, planes, tanks, beans
and bullets in place to have any chance of surviving much less beating
anyone.

You should Google D Day, if you want to know what is involved in
moving the men and materiel to a battle zone. You think we could
send in 10,000 airborne troops and defeat 200,000 Russians who 
have artillery, air support and heavy tanks?

You are not living in reality.

Did you look at the preparation we did before Desert Storm? We
spent 5 months gathering all the necessary implements of destruction
in place before we fired a single shot. 697,000 U.S. troops took part
in the war in Iraq.

You can reach Iraq with carrier based aircraft from the Mediterranean,
the Persian Gulf and the Red Sea. That's three different directions.
Get out a map and tell me how to use aircraft carriers anywhere near
Ukraine and while you have your map out tell me about your no fly zone
that you posted about earlier.

I am 100% against Russia's invasion of Ukraine. I am also 100% against
sending young Americans to die without a plan. Tell me your plan.

[2tallbill]

America would've gone to war with the Soviets if the Soviets didn't remove the nukes from Cuba. At the time, most Americans would be okay with Cuba civilians becoming collateral damage in an effort to take control of Cuba to remove the nukes.

America would have invaded Cuba and the Soviets could not have done a single
thing to stop us. Look at a map, the USA could totally overwhelm Cuba. The
US marines could land with both air and naval support. Cuba would be under
US control in weeks at the very worst and the Soviets were too far away to
do anything to help. Would the Soviets let the nukes fly to protect Castro
and his gang of misfits?

JUST LIKE WE ARE TOO FAR away from Ukraine to do anything to help.
It would take us 6 months to move half a million men, artillery, tanks,
hospitals, porta potty's and all the associated materiel to Poland. Ukraine
doesn't have 6 months to wait.

Would Russia let the nukes fly to prevent being soundly defeated in Ukraine?
That isn't quite the same as protecting some tiny little dictator on an island
beside the Florida Keys.

[Grumpy]

http://youtu.be/MXLgdp74m-A

[2tallbill]

So the USA should have stayed at home during WW2 because it ticked the ‘too difficult box’?

The USA did exactly that, until the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor killing thousands
of Americans and Germany declared war on us.

Europe gets themselves into stupid predicaments all the time. They had alliances
on top of alliances so that if an Arch Duke gets shot the whole continent goes to
war. (Yes, I admit that I over simplified).

Then the US helps Europe end the war and they allow Hitler to happen and
don't do anything until he grows to strong to do anything about it.

Now look at the Europeans. They let their forces dwindle down to nothing
and there is not a single country in the EU that can protect themselves from
foreign invasion and now they think that the US needs to drop everything and
fix things again?

Any war on the European continent would require mobilisation on a massive scale and a national effort.
It won’t be easy but it depends whether you believe life and liberty are worth fighting for, or does that only apply to American lives and liberty?

The USA has agreements to send our sons and daughters to defend several
European countries that don't have any Army or Navy of their own so they
can spend the money paying freeloaders to suck on the government teat
rather than defend themselves from bullies that live nearby.

I love Ukraine, I have friends there and here in the US. We have no
agreements to defend Ukraine, yet we helped them more than any country
in Europe has.

Boris Johnson has recently reaffirmed his support for Ukraine with £88 million.

The USA has given Ukraine billions. That is more than any 20 European
nations combined. We also have a lot further to travel to do any help.

[2tallbill]

So the USA should have stayed at home during WW2 because it ticked the ‘too difficult box’?

Remind me what happened to the UK army when they tried to defend France
from Germany before they were prepared to do so.

The USA needs 6 or more months of literally moving mountains to be able to
defend Ukraine. (If it were Mexico we could be there tomorrow). Otherwise we
would be looking at Dunkirk and jumping into a fight unprepared is totally
unacceptable.

[Trenchcoat]

I've got to say I agree with 2tallbill on this one while an Army can be moved from the other side of the world and win a victory it creates great effort, expense and of course crucially time. Time is something that in theory we may be short of if Russia attacked the EU, I'm pretty sure it won't as the EU has France which has Nukes plus there are easier targets and Russia may be wanting to focus on their economy soon.

Strategically it's better for the EU to form a NATO like organisation. Each member retaining its own armed forces but lending a portion of its armed forces to EU Treaty Organisation. In the past forming a EU Army has been touted around but has fallen flat as Member States don't want the EU gaining what could eventually amount to full control of their military and then be totally dominated by the EU.

Main thing is it's easier for the EU to move around forces as way less distance than the US is to the EU. It's kind of been laughable that the response from NATO so far is to move troops a few thousand at a time to the EU border with Russia. A few extra thousand is nothing against the million strong troops Russia has in total or even a couple of hundred thousand for an invasion. In theory of the EU got its act together it could take charge of Europe's defense's in the East of the EU yet it appears so far incapable as it is on so many other matters of doing such. The EU has more than enough Member States with sizable armies to cobble together a credible defence but it instead is still relying on NATO and getting a free ride on a lot of its defence by NATO members the US and the UK. Trump noticed that and told the other NATO members, mostly EU members to raise their finances for NATO to what they should be, some small movement on that but it's taken until this crises for Germany to commit to 2 percent of GDP as they should have been all along.

So it's all down to whether the EU and their member states will properly wake up now and take some serious action to step up to what they should have been providing for all along, their defence of their countries.

[fathertime]

No, obviously you don't. We don't have people, planes, tanks, beans
and bullets in place to have any chance of surviving much less beating
anyone.
 

While I mostly agree with Bill on his take, if nukes weren't on the table, I do think we have enough of everything to get the job done and done rather swiftly actually. It would indeed come at a great loss but that wouldn't be the issue though.  Perhaps leadership has coldly made the calculation that Ukrainian lives are better sacrificed for now to achieve the greater goal.  To make certain Russia is a pariah state mired in a war, while not risking a nuclear escalation.  All solutions are bad, but this may be the least bad strictly from US strategy standpoint. 

Fathertime!   

[Bee Farmer]

No, obviously you don't. We don't have people, planes, tanks, beans
and bullets in place to have any chance of surviving much less beating
anyone.

You should Google D Day, if you want to know what is involved in
moving the men and materiel to a battle zone. You think we could
send in 10,000 airborne troops and defeat 200,000 Russians who 
have artillery, air support and heavy tanks?

You are not living in reality.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. /sarcasm

Supposedly Ukraine didn't have the  people, planes, tanks, beans and bullets in place to have any chance of surviving more than 72 hours either.  It was a foregone conclusion by both East and West that Ukraine didn't have a chance.

The US would not be invading a hostile country, like D-Day and Desert Storm if we instituted a no-fly zone over Ukraine.  And yes, we DO have 200,000 troops already in place with tanks, artillery, and infantry...200,000 Ukrainian troops who are already fighting the Russians.

I'm sure that if the US offered to institute a no-fly zone over Ukraine, Ukraine would have no problem agreeing to allow the US to establish an airbase in western Ukraine somewhere. (or use the existing airport in Lviv.)  Moldova is scared Russia plans to invade them next.  Do you think Moldova would have any problem with the US having an airbase there?  Latvia and Lithuania are worried Russia might try to take them back under Soviet control.  Do you think they would have a problem with a US airbase?

F-22 Raptors could be based all over Europe and be able to cover Ukraine, especially with refueling tankers.

[Bee Farmer]

I love Ukraine, I have friends there and here in the US. We have no
agreements to defend Ukraine, yet we helped them more than any country
in Europe has.

cough cough...Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances.
The memorandum included security assurances against threats or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan.

[BillyB]

1. The old trope of blaming the media wears thin. Most here are intelligent enough to review multiple sources and then draw their own conclusions. Media from sources around the globe display images of death, destruction and suffering of civilian populations. That is emotional.

Do you not recognize the supreme arrogance in claiming everyone is being misled by the media, but you are not?!? Can you not accept the FACT that others are just as intelligent, just as inquisitive, just as resourceful, and just as informed as you - but they come to a different conclusion?!?

People here regularly mention those living under authoritarian governments are misled by government controlled media. The difference between those people and Americans is most of those people under authoritarian governments understand they are fed propaganda and most Americans still trust their media. Everyday for years we were fed the Trump Russia collusion hoax when no evidence existed. After tens of millions spent to investigate. Check my previous posts. I supported the investigation. Nothing was found so I realized the media duped us. Let's not be fooled twice. Our media isn't what it used to be. Who here fails to see that? They are currently feeding us propaganda. Now they are working up people's emotions to support a larger war. Seriously, who here wants this war to be much bigger than what it is now? How did we get to the point so many people WANT WW3 risking your family's lives and America's economy to teach Putin a lesson? Propaganda is a powerful tool.

3. This is QAnon nonsense. Utter bullshit.

QAnon does not exist. The media made it up. Google every media article on the subject. Look at the claims the media made about QAnon. Then read every post Q made on a forum. You'll then realize the media is lying.... again. Why are they so afraid of Q? People on this forum regularly attack Biden and the Democrats and they don't get hammered by CNN and the NY Times. People at this forum don't get their names mentioned by Democrats as high level as Hillary and Biden at the Democratic conventions accusing them of making up stories that Democrats are aliens sucking up the blood of children. People on this forum don't get the label RWDAnon to throw the public off and turn them off to RWD. Nobody here has said anything about Democrats that got them worried. Much of the Republican party is in bed with the Democrats. They aren't much better.

The Western media fails to tell us that Western nations are using Ukraine to create dangerous pathogens next door to Russia and Putin could be saving billions of lives if he's successful in shutting those labs down. How many here knew about those biolabs before I brought it up? You guys know what the media said. As proof, I linked a Ukraine webpage previously of a Ukrainian biolab studying the plague and stating where their funding comes from, George Soros being one of the donors.

Check every Western media factcheck and they call the biolabs disinformation. The media is lying to us on most things about this war. Sure, they can tell us the truth about the weather and sports but when it comes to politics, trust nothing they say, especially now since they are working on our emotions to promote support for an escalation of the war in Ukraine. Under the circumstances, supporting escalation of this war to get achieve peace isn't going to work.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/02/25/fact-check-claim-us-biolabs-ukraine-disinformation/6937923001/

[John Gaunt]

People here regularly mention those living under authoritarian governments are misled by government controlled media. The difference between those people and Americans is most of those people under authoritarian governments understand they are fed propaganda and most Americans still trust their media. Everyday for years we were fed the Trump Russia collusion hoax when no evidence existed. After tens of millions spent to investigate. Check my previous posts. I supported the investigation. Nothing was found so I realized the media duped us. Let's not be fooled twice. Our media isn't what it used to be. Who here fails to see that? They are currently feeding us propaganda. Now they are working up people's emotions to support a larger war. Seriously, who here wants this war to be much bigger than what it is now? How did we get to the point so many people WANT WW3 risking your family's lives and America's economy to teach Putin a lesson? Propaganda is a powerful tool.


QAnon does not exist. The media made it up. Google every media article on the subject. Look at the claims the media made about QAnon. Then read every post Q made on a forum. You'll then realize the media is lying.... again. Why are they so afraid of Q? People on this forum regularly attack Biden and the Democrats and they don't get hammered by CNN and the NY Times. People at this forum don't get their names mentioned by Democrats as high level as Hillary and Biden at the Democratic conventions accusing them of making up stories that Democrats are aliens sucking up the blood of children. People on this forum don't get the label RWDAnon to throw the public off and turn them off to RWD. Nobody here has said anything about Democrats that got them worried. Much of the Republican party is in bed with the Democrats. They aren't much better.

The Western media fails to tell us that Western nations are using Ukraine to create dangerous pathogens next door to Russia and Putin could be saving billions of lives if he's successful in shutting those labs down. How many here knew about those biolabs before I brought it up? You guys know what the media said. As proof, I linked a Ukraine webpage previously of a Ukrainian biolab studying the plague and stating where their funding comes from, George Soros being one of the donors.

Check every Western media factcheck and they call the biolabs disinformation. The media is lying to us on most things about this war. Sure, they can tell us the truth about the weather and sports but when it comes to politics, trust nothing they say, especially now since they are working on our emotions to promote support for an escalation of the war in Ukraine. Under the circumstances, supporting escalation of this war to get achieve peace isn't going to work.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/02/25/fact-check-claim-us-biolabs-ukraine-disinformation/6937923001/

If this isn’t bullshit it most certainly stinks of every other variety of odure imaginable.