Politics regarding struggle for Ukraine

[krimster2]

"Sticks and stones can break my bones but words do not equal violence.
That's a silly, and inaccurate liberal notion. "


which slippery slope ya wanna slide down on Beel?
the unvaccinated one?
or the freedumb one?

[2tallbill]

"Sticks and stones can break my bones but words do not equal violence.
That's a silly, and inaccurate liberal notion. "


which slippery slope ya wanna slide down on Beel?
the unvaccinated one?
or the freedumb one?

I am married and happy with my sliding. Everyone in the 2tall family
caught covid and lived. Including my mother who is old as dirt and
lives in the California desert.

I am not against vaccines or getting vaccinations. I don't understand
your point. I think those that have recovered from Covid should be
exempt from taking vaccines for Covid, but if I have to get a vaccine
to visit my Grand daughter, I will do it. I'm not a-scared of them. 

We are getting away from the Russia/Ukraine politics theme and into
American politics. I respect your opinions and humor, but now is a
good time to pivot to the Russian/Ukrainian theme unless you have
a pressing point to make.

[krimster2]

my point was disinformation is bad, and CAN kill people...
so maybe we need to protect "impressionable people" from things that can harm them
and that this is more important then freedumb
I mean look at the hundreds of genuises who heeded Trump's call to "take their country back"
5 dead, and hundreds now have criminal records....
disinformation, is a Russian speciality
Nazis in Ukraine?
only comrade Tucker Carlson supports Pootin's disinformation on US media
connect the dots and look at the picture

[Grumpy]

Still, the quest for total victory in Ukraine is premised on the belief that defeat is the best deterrent. Having forged NATO unity and a surprising degree of economic sacrifice by the Europeans, Putin should be under no illusions that next time will be easier. The Ukraine war is one of those rare times when the morally right course—forcing Russia to retreat from all of Ukraine—is also the approach that appears to make the most strategic sense. There are no certainties in an irrational war seemingly brought on by Putin’s passion to restore the Soviet Union.

http://newrepublic.com/article/166159/us-endgame-russia-ukraine-war-biden-putin

Poll for those interested: 

http://www.thechicagocouncil.org/sites/default/files/2022-04/Final%20US%20Ukraine%20Brief.pdf

[2tallbill]

my point was disinformation is bad, and CAN kill people...

The left wants to control information dissemination so that only
approved speech that favors their positions is allowed.
 

I mean look at the hundreds of genuises who heeded Trump's call to
"take their country back"

Look at how the left lies about that. He said

"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."

Oooooooooooo! Seditious! Treasonous! Freedumb followers!

For members of Congress who didn't vote the way he wanted he said
"If they don't fight (he was referring to Republican members of congress)
we have to primary the hell out of the ones that don't fight," Trump said.
"You primary them. We're going to let you know who they are."

So, in two years something will happen. Sounds like efforts to violently overthrow
the government. He will get people primaried! Look it's going to happen to Liz
Cheney in a few months. What a violent speech for freedumb.

5 dead, and hundreds now have criminal records....

Boo hoo! People break the law, they pay the price. Don't do the crime
if you can't do the time.

[krimster2]

“The left wants to control information dissemination so that only
approved speech that favors their positions is allowed.”

not true…
ask Mickey Mouse if he can say “Gay”
ask women in southern religious states if they have any reproductive rights

“I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."

you forgot the “you better fight like hell to get your country back”
you forgot about the organizers who plotted to lay siege to congress, so the results of the election couldn’t be announced and instead created a plot to use fake electors to announce that Trump was president, you forgot “Mike Pence doing the right thing” meaning again about fake electors

There was NEVER ANY EVIDENCE of wide scale voter fraud by democrats in this election, Trump lost...

In fact, Texas  Lt Govenor Dan Patrick offered a $25,000 bounty to anyone who could provide proof of voter fraud, he paid one bounty to:

Patrick’s five-figure payout went to a progressive poll worker in Pennsylvania whose tip led to a single conviction of illegal voting by a registered Republican.
I believe the state of Pennsylvania found a total of 5 fraudulent votes, 4 of which were by Republicans

OK…

[Grumpy]

 Opinion piece by RW in LA Times.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2022-04-26/ukraine-war-russian-identity

[Grumpy]

http://media.timesfreepress.com/img/photos/2022/03/03/220304liberty2416886570.jpg

[krimster2]

love it!!!

[2tallbill]

not true…
ask Mickey Mouse if he can say “Gay”
ask women in southern religious states if they have any reproductive rights

How do those silly mischaracterized arguments rebut what I said?

Florida made a law that transgender fetish porn can't be taught to kinder
through 3rd grade. 75% of Floridians are against the leftwing lunatic
transgender porn being taught to little kids.

The left is lying about the law claiming that teachers can't say gay.
How is your argument even remotely relevant?

ask women in southern religious states if they have any reproductive rights

What does that argument have to do with the price of tea in China?
It has zero to do with the left shutting down free speech. The left's
arguments are so poor that that they have to change the meaning
of words to have a chance in the arena of ideas.

ask women in southern religious states if they have any reproductive rights

Words mean things.
With the exception of a few women in prison all women in all Southern
States are allowed to reproduce.

“I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."

you forgot the “you better fight like hell to get your country back”
you forgot about the organizers who plotted to lay siege to congress,
so the results of the election couldn’t be announced and instead created
a plot to use fake electors to announce that Trump was president, you forgot
“Mike Pence doing the right thing” meaning again about fake electors

100% of politicians say they are going to fight for their voters/constituents
in congress. That doesn't mean they are going to punch Nancy in the mouth.
It never means they are going to commit violence or an illegal act. 

Trump talked about Primarying Republican'ts. That is an act that takes waiting
for 2+ years. That's hardly frothing up a mob to riot. 

The left was so surprised that anyone on the right protested anything that they
totally made up a hundred false narratives about it. Looks like you bought into
all of them.

My point is that the left can't have competing views in the arena of public
discussion or they will lose. Look how many arguments or positions you took
completely mischaracterizing the facts.

By the way, Russia gate was a complete hoax. A campaign dirty trick carried
out by team Hillary and the lefty sycophants in the press. 

[2tallbill]

Back to "Politics regarding struggle for Ukraine"

The Soviets provided Mig's and pilots to fight directly against the USA
in the Korean war. They provided antiaircraft batteries and sams to
help stymie American airpower in Vietnam.

Now they cry like school girls when their exboyfriend took a prettier
girl (who also had bigger tits) to the prom every time the Ukrainians
take out a battle tank with a Javelin missile?

Putin thinks that telling countries that they will glow in the dark will
keep Finland out of NATO? He misread those tea leaves a bit didn't he?

[krimster2]

No Beel, “don’t say gay” ain’t about gay porn for first graders
CS/CS/HB 1557: Parental Rights in Education

prohibits school district personnel from discouraging or prohibiting parental notification & involvement in critical decisions affecting student's mental, emotional, or physical well-being; prohibits classroom discussion about sexual orientation or gender identity in certain grade levels;

it’s about bowing to pressure from religious fundamentalists
it’s so much better for gay kids to be bullied cuz they’re different from regular gawd-fearin Christians, right?  Ignorance is bliss after-all
gay people don't bother me one bit



the story is only now emerging how the insurrection that killed 5 people was organized as part of an attempted coup to overthrow the election, and declare martial law and having Mike Pence use “alternate state electors” to state Trump had “won” and for house Republicans to vote “yeah”

this is ALL OVER THE NEWS NOW, haven’t ya heard about it?

and returning to the subject, what'd you think of Marjorie Taylor Green calling Ukrainians Nazis who were guilty of torturing their own people and is why she is opposed to supplying any aid to Ukraine, she's a good Christian that woman

or Rand Paul, saying Ukraine belongs to Russia, and the state of Kentucky sinking 20 million USD of retirement funds into Sver bank, or Trump overturning sanctions against Oleg Deripasks?

[krimster2]

Israel had been opposed to sending military weapons to Ukraine, and instead only provided humainitarian aid

that just changed!

Iron Dome missile interceptors are coming to Ukraine
Das VaDanya Iskanders and cruise missiles

also "Spike" anti-armor, which makes the Javelin look like crude fireworks
meanwhile a platoon of israeli commando "volunteers" just arrived
HUGE contrast to the European and American volunteers
these are real pros

this latest turn has surprised me, I wonder who put pressure on them and what kind?

[ML]

Israel had been opposed to sending military weapons to Ukraine, and instead only provided humainitarian aid

that just changed!

Iron Dome missile interceptors are coming to Ukraine
Das VaDanya Iskanders and cruise missiles

also "Spike" anti-armor, which makes the Javelin look like crude fireworks
meanwhile a platoon of israeli commando "volunteers" just arrived
HUGE contrast to the European and American volunteers
these are real pros

this latest turn has surprised me, I wonder who put pressure on them and what kind?

Searches provide zero info on this.

[2tallbill]

No Beel, “don’t say gay” ain’t about gay porn for first graders
CS/CS/HB 1557: Parental Rights in Education

prohibits school district personnel from discouraging or prohibiting parental notification & involvement in critical decisions affecting student's mental, emotional, or physical well-being; prohibits classroom discussion about sexual orientation or gender identity in certain grade levels;

I never said gay porn I said Transgender fetish.
They prohibit classrooms from teaching that you might have 14 non traditional
pronouns and three variants of ze and literally hundreds of non-binary options
as well. That's not the same as gay is it? Kindergarten kids don't need to try
and figure out what hundreds of variations of genders they might be.

prohibits classroom discussion about sexual orientation or gender identity in certain grade levels;

gay people don't bother me one bit

It's not about gay people, it was never about gay people. It is about confusing
young children about 100 or more possible genders. Not "certain grade levels"
Kindergarten through third grade. Ages 4-8 (or 9 year old) 75% of Floridians agree
that youngsters don't need 100's of pronouns in English class. 75% of Floridians
aren't religious fanatics.

the story is only now emerging how the insurrection that killed 5 people was organized as part of an attempted coup to overthrow the election, and declare martial law and having Mike Pence use “alternate state electors” to state Trump had “won” and for house Republicans to vote “yeah”

this is ALL OVER THE NEWS NOW, haven’t ya heard about it?

It was a stupid riot, the 4 people killed were the rioters themselves. The rioters
need to go to jail, for trespassing and vandalism, a bunch of stupid rioters had
no ability to perform a coup attempt end of fake news story.

Even left wing fact checker left wing apologist site says the same thing
http://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/how-many-died-as-a-result-of-capitol-riot/

and returning to the subject, what'd you think of Marjorie Taylor Green calling Ukrainians Nazis who were guilty of torturing their own people and is why she is opposed to supplying any aid to Ukraine, she's a good Christian that woman

or Rand Paul, saying Ukraine belongs to Russia, and the state of Kentucky sinking 20 million USD of retirement funds into Sver bank, or Trump overturning sanctions against Oleg Deripasks?

I am not required to explain what is going on (or not going on) in Marjorie Taylor
Greens head.
Rand Paul can explain himself as well.

[krimster2]

"Searches provide zero info on this."

do a google search of "iron dome ukraine" and then under "tools" select" past 24 hours"...
you'll find some English references

shalom

[krimster2]

"I never said gay porn I said Transgender fetish. "

ohhh sorry, that's in Isle 3, please enjoy your shopping experience in the Austin Adult Book Store, nudge, nudge, wink, wink

Beel, for your edification
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_United_States_Capitol_attack

"On January 6, 2021, a mob of 2,000–2,500 supporters of U.S. President Donald Trump attacked the Capitol Building in Washington, D.C.[a][28][29] They sought to overturn his defeat in the 2020 presidential election[30] by disrupting the joint session of Congress assembled to count electoral votes that would formalize President-elect Joe Biden's victory."

so this was just a portion of the overall plan involved in stealing the election, you know the one called, "Stop The Steal"
because as Stalin said, "it's not who votes that counts, but who counts the votes"
and as Nancy Pelosi said about Trump: 'With him, all roads lead to Putin'

no need to thank me for supplying you with the facts

BTW, the opposite of conservative isn't liberal
it's someone who can see the good in change and embrace it

[ML]

"Searches provide zero info on this."

do a google search of "iron dome ukraine" and then under "tools" select" past 24 hours"...
you'll find some English references

shalom

OK, thanks for the detailed instructions which I followed.

However, some of the reports have been taken down as 'unconfirmed.'
Only some individuals have posted such on youtube.

The major news sources have said zero so far as I think they need multiple sources before they will go with such a story.

[krimster2]

sorry, but I can't give you what I have
I used to work at Rafael

be patient, but not in a hospital
all things come to "he who waits"

[ML]

all things come to "he who waits"

But they only get what's left over by those who 'took the bull by the horns.'

[krimster2]

"
But they only get what's left over by those who 'took the bull by the horns.'"

I prefer to have my wife shop at Whole Foods, only thing I have to do is carry the groceries
much easier than the Pamplona method, I feel uneasy around large animals, even smaller ones like goats

[2tallbill]

Beel, for your edification
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_United_States_Capitol_attack

"On January 6, 2021, a mob of 2,000–2,500 supporters of U.S. President Donald Trump attacked the Capitol Building in Washington, D.C.[a][28][29] They sought to overturn his defeat in the 2020 presidential election[30] by disrupting the joint session of Congress assembled to count electoral votes that would formalize President-elect Joe Biden's victory."

no need to thank me for supplying you with the facts

Why don't you quote Nancy Pelosi as facts. Wikipedia is overrun with lefty's
just like Twitter is. There was never a possibility of a coup, that's just fake
news. That's ridiculous, if 2500 people could oust a president then Trump
would have been ousted.

Next you will tell me that Hunter Biden's laptop was a Russian disinformation
hoax. The facts are that people can watch videos. The January 6 riots compared
to BLM riots in Portland Oregon? There is no comparison.

no need to thank me for supplying you with the facts

BTW, the opposite of conservative isn't liberal
it's someone who can see the good in change and embrace it

Modern conservatives are classical liberals. It's the fascist totalitarian
left that keeps changing their names to confuse people from their true
beliefs. 

Joe Biden is a modern liberal which dredges up Jimmy Carter theories
on how modern markets work. Promoting 40 year old disproven policies
on how to deal with higher prices will be just as effective today as they
were in 1979.

None of your points are relevant to the argument that the left endeavors
to eliminate speech that disagrees with them.

[krimster2]

Beel, the purpose of the Putsch wasn’t to directly take over the government,

the goal was to seize the senate’s electoral ballots to prevent them from being counted, and then having “alternate electors” declare Trump the winner, ok???

but the senators got the ballots out before the rioters could get to them

all documented, doesn’t matter your party, your relationship to Pelosi or Biden’s laptop

it was part of an attempted coup, it failed like pretty much everything else Trump touches

http://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/06/electoral-college-ballots-saved-during-capitol-riots.html



let's see Jimmy Carter vrs Trump

here's a pic of Jimmy Carter when he was serving his country
Trump family has been in the USA for 150 years, not one of them ever wore an American military uniform
this says all that needs to be said

[ML]

One talk-show guest on TV apparently gets a lot of insider info from Kremlin.
Said his info flow stopped for several weeks, but now has restarted.
The bad news:
Those of us who were hoping that Russian generals would finally see the light and take steps to take out Putin or stop the war somehow will be disappointed.
This guy's sources inside Kremlin are telling him just the opposite.
The generals are quite mad/embarrassed about what is happening and want to take stronger measures to destroy Ukraine.

[krimster2]

my sources tell me that Russia will declare war on Ukraine within the next two weeks
Russians in Moscva are panic buying

if this happens then by summer time the intensity of the war will be on a much larger scale than what we've seen so far
and we're gonna be closer to WWIII than we've ever been including cuban missile crisis

I had a friend just skype me who was in Odessa earler this week
he says Odessa is overwhelmed with arms, huge number of people walking the streets with AKs
he also heard that Russians were running away
don't know what to make of what he's telling me