Chișinău

[Trenchcoat]

A year ago, I started learning Ukrainian on Duolingo.  Most days, I do one lesson...3 or 4 minutes.  Duolingo says I know about 600 words now.
Can I hold a conversation? No. (Supposedly, you need a vocabulary of 1,000-2,000 words.)
Can I understand Ukrainian speech?  No, but I can catch some words.
Will I ever be fluent?  Probably not.
Can I make a short video of me wishing a girl Happy Birthday, or saying a few simple sentences?  Can I tell a girl that she is pretty? Yes.
Do you have any idea how much a Ukrainian girl appreciates a video clip like that on Viber?  They love it.  They see effort.  Speaking in their native tongue gives them positive emotions.

Many thanks again for the Duolingo tip Beefarmer I've started at the beginning with Russian with it and done a fair few short lessons on it. It's pretty handy especially for when tired or short on time and not feeling like wanting to be too hard pressed. Pimsleur is good but I find especially as the difficulty level increases more concentration is needed and it gets more taxing which isn't great when a bit knackered.

Duolingo I'm finding is good as it's done in a simple & fun way a guess a bit like when you learn English as a child in School. Kind of takes the repetition of phrases out of it a bit and breaks it down. Also handy for learning the reading of the language alongside which I have missed out so far in favour of concentrating on the speaking with Pimsleur. That I think could be handy for me when out & about and having a bit more familiarity with written Russian words that are here and there.

Idea at the moment is to press on with Duolingo up to the stage I have gotten with Pimsleur to cement in my learning some more. Pimsleur has been good but I still had the feeling that I didn't feel confident on recall & retention. Often it came back when listening to more on Pimsleur but off the top of my head only felt I could recall some basic phrases with ease.

Anyway, just to let you know I've been giving it a go and not just banging away in here

The trip to Chișinău well they mostly speak Romanian there, some Russian (moreso in transnistria from what I hear) and possibly sone Ukrainian from Ukrainian refugees. To me it's got to do for now as the only other choice is likely Kazakhstan which is more travel time & money. Kazakhstan may in some ways be a better choice as I'm thinking possibly a more easier dating scene there but at the moment I've only got so much I want to spend out so Chișinău is a pretty cheap choice.

[Trenchcoat]

So yeah all set on Chișinău in a few months all being good. Should at least show me if there is much go in the idea, I'll be saying to the women that I spend part of my time in Chisinau and part in the UK on an ongoing basis. I would have liked Odessa as looks a bit more pleasant than Chișinău but due to the war Chișinău will have to do. Chișinău I can get cheap flights to and is a fairly short flight journey so serves purpose well enough. My general aim is of course to live partly in the FSU, Chișinău or wherever and partly back home should I find a suitable lady. Until my visit I will concentrate on improving my Russian, my physique and anything else that I can improve. I know from a previous conversation I had with a lady out that way a month or so ago the economy is not in a good way out there, gas & electricity shortages, costs, etc. I will spend about a week out there and see how things go and see if I meet anyone I can get on with.

On other issues not sure how the girls I met previously in Ukraine are getting on. Never had the social media site for the first girl from Mariupol, not sure she did one, she was a tall blonde a good 5ft 8" or so, slenderish and above average looks facially, I met her in Kyiv at the start of my search a few years ago. She spoke superb English so who knows maybe she fled Mariupol to the west, I would like to think so. I gave her a vase when we met, a fairly large one from Poole Pottery near the area where I grew up. Whether that vase is still in one piece if still in Mariupol who knows. Possibly blown to pieces.

Kherson girl meanwhile still hasn't updated her social media from when the war started. She is still down as living in Kherson on FB as her current city & also get hometown. Her VK profile has been suspended and has been since before the war possibly due to the Russian issue they had or possibly some other issue. She had a stubborn streak so maybe she was foolish enough to remain in Kherson. Given what's happened there that's not the place to be in my mind.

Anyhow for both girls that's all in the past. I would like to think I have learnt a lot over the past few years. Possibly either girl could have worked had I been in a better position and knew more if the scene who knows. For me now it's really all about looking forward and seeing if I can meet anyone nice in Chisinau. The house is getting near complete so after my initial one week visit if any decent girls crop up and should be able to get back out there more and for longer in the immediate future.

Now to preparation

[Trenchcoat]

"If you make your own bread, then and only then, are you are a free man unchained and alive livin in pooty tang paradise or, say no and live in incel island with all the others and try not to shoot up a school, ok?"

This I've quoted from Krimster from stuff he recently said. It's really spoken to me as to where I want to be. It's something I've been working towards a while now as is where I want to be. My house renovation has unfortunately taken way longer than hoped for, I essentially hoped to have finished it last year or even the year before That it has now shown was ridiculously optimistic of me. I do however firmly believe that the house will be pretty much done in the next 3-4 months and I'll be able to rent out some rooms thereafter or at least be free from the cost of the renovation  That will help bring about the above 'Freeman' status as apart from the Serf/Slave status like old Medieval times that we still often unwittingly seem to subject ourselves too in the form of the 'Employee'. For me the revenue from the room rental will not be large but probably around or near my current salary level. I know 2tallbill has highlighted my low salary issue in the past, lol. I think though that it will at least free me from reliance upon an Employer an allow me the time to branch out into other forms of independent/passive income which will aid me further. A few ideas I have to mind but really need to have the time available to put them into motion. Finishing the house and freeing up time there along with chucking in work once my financial position is decent enough should release bags of extra free time to do that.

For me it's kind of a period of enlightenment to look forward too, at least I hope. Last time I felt that was when I left School at 16 (went to a Further Education College) and so no longer felt oppressed by all the school rules and bla, bla, bla. Where I currently work isn't too bad but like many others in this country In am of course tied to my Employer. Loss of income is of course always a pain but I hope to replace that as said as soon as possible. For now just looking forward to finishing of the house in the next three months, learning Russian, working out and preparing to move forward.

[Trenchcoat]

"If you make your own bread, then and only then, are you a free man unchained and alive living in pooty tang paradise, or say no and live in Incel island with all the others."

Ok, New Year's resolution time. I've changed my below signature to Krim's excellent quote (abbreviated slightly, etc). I hope you don't mind me using it Krim it just really spoke to me of where I want to be - not Incel island

I don't see myself as likely ever fully living abroad but living in the UK (same for US/the West I'm sure) is anything but paradise on the woman dating scene front. Western countries have been just too messed up by the way they have moved society in recent decades and its never been moved in a way that favours me like many men but rather against us. I'm somewhat lucky in hopefully being able to take some time out from the ways of the West and as Krimster so aptly puts it get over to 'pooty tang paradise'.

For me the only plus in recent years in the UK has been Brexit but for me it's late in the day to help me a great deal. Plus with a Labour government looking conceivable in a couple of years time who knows how long Brexit may last. So for me it's time to put my focus on what I might be able to achieve abroad if possible. There's little more I can do in the UK that might help my circumstance so abroad is likely my only option left. So here's to pushing forward with that in the New Year 🎉💥🙂

[krimster2]

my experience of dating in the UK is really from a LONG time ago
but...
I do remember Manchester on a Friday or Saturday night
there'd be groups of girls pub crawling walking out in the crowded streets
EZ pickins, cuz they're already half wasted...

however, my favorite place to pick up girls was in AMSTERDAM!!!
I could EASILY get young Russian girls I'd meet out shopping (and there were quite a few) to go back to my apartment and smoke weed with me and then phuque!!

GOOD TIMES AND PERFECTLY LEGAL THERE!!!!!
and then after that spend the evening in one of the "Exclusive Sex Clubs" in the red light district, you'll end up having so much sex there that you can go for just two weeks and you'll get enough to last you all year!!

you incels should give that a go, if you're American just don't shoot up any more schools
if you're british stop voting for the tories!!!  WTF???

[Trenchcoat]

my experience of dating in the UK is really from a LONG time ago
but...
I do remember Manchester on a Friday or Saturday night
there'd be groups of girls pub crawling walking out in the crowded streets
EZ pickins, cuz they're already half wasted...

however, my favorite place to pick up girls was in AMSTERDAM!!!
I could EASILY get young Russian girls I'd meet out shopping (and there were quite a few) to go back to my apartment and smoke weed with me and then phuque!!

GOOD TIMES AND PERFECTLY LEGAL THERE!!!!!
and then after that spend the evening in one of the "Exclusive Sex Clubs" in the red light district, you'll end up having so much sex there that you can go for just two weeks and you'll get enough to last you all year!!

you incels should give that a go, if you're American just don't shoot up any more schools
if you're british stop voting for the tories!!!  WTF???

I've only briefly been to Manchester twice but find the people generally friendly there and easier to get on with perhaps. Generally up north is likely to be a bit easier to get with a girl but not sure on situation these days. Girls down south can be as cold as ice and even those that aren't most are very picky if they are even interested. Girls going after careers has altered their focus a lot in the UK. Also a lot of ethnic minorities up north, Asians, etc. Nothing so much against them but not my scene for dating or living in communities that are heavily Asian.

In truth where I have grown up down south probably didn't favour me but hindered a lot in getting with women. As a working class kid living in a middle class area and going to a middle class school that likely pushed the odds against me. Middle class girls have high expectations of what they want and a working class boy is starting off from a negative with them from the get go, having a cockney like accent likely didn't help with them. If I were above average in looks, good physique, good social skills and/or wealthy family that would have helped, any one or more of them. Had I gone to a school in a working class area down south that would probably been easier for me to score as a 6ft (or going that way at the time) guy I would have some interest on that front. We could have lived in the posher part of a working class area rather than the poorer/average part of the middle class area and to the local working class girls I would likely be seen as a good catch. None of that of course was my choice just what I got landed with. Perhaps I am looking at it with rose tinted specs but guess I'll never know for sure.

I think these days in the UK society has changed a lot in the last couple of decades and stuff is real tough for guys now for getting with any even half decent women. Definitely a better scene abroad in most cases I reckon. For me while sex with a good girl is good it's really always been more about wanting a real relationship with a woman and having a family/life. That is what seems to be increasingly denied to us guts in the west these days even if we work pretty hard.

[Trenchcoat]

All you have to do is take some of the time and effort you waste on here, and start learning Russian or Ukrainian on Duolingo (for free).  The next thing you know, the language barrier is breaking down.

A year ago, I started learning Ukrainian on Duolingo.  Most days, I do one lesson...3 or 4 minutes.  Duolingo says I know about 600 words now.
Can I hold a conversation? No. (Supposedly, you need a vocabulary of 1,000-2,000 words.)
Can I understand Ukrainian speech?  No, but I can catch some words.
Will I ever be fluent?  Probably not.
Can I make a short video of me wishing a girl Happy Birthday, or saying a few simple sentences?  Can I tell a girl that she is pretty? Yes.
Do you have any idea how much a Ukrainian girl appreciates a video clip like that on Viber?  They love it.  They see effort.  Speaking in their native tongue gives them positive emotions.

Duolingo is a good program I appreciate your tip there Bee Farmer. I think doing a bit each day isn't a bad idea. However are you aware the time you spend probably only adds up to around 30 hours learning Ukrainian for the year?

Just gotten around to adding it up as it struck me as curious as you state Dualingo says you now know around 600 words and you say it's said that it takes 1000-2000 words to become conversational. I've no doubt that Dualingo is probably correct in the words you know & 1000-2000 words will probably allow some possible conversation.

However, that kind of conflicts what I googled online that it takes at least around 1100 hrs of learning Ukrainian (1200 hrs Russian) to know it to a decent/fluent level. Think Pat thought it might be somewhat more hours possibly to reach a fluent level. Set against that 30 hours seems to be only nibbling away at the seemingly monumental struggle to learn such a language. I'm not knocking your efforts Bee Farmer, my guess is that you've probably learnt some useful stuff and you've made an effort. It just kind of makes me wonder at which point does a foreigner like us get to a useful state of affairs with such a language?

[Bee Farmer]

Duolingo is a good program I appreciate your tip there Bee Farmer. I think doing a bit each day isn't a bad idea. However are you aware the time you spend probably only adds up to around 30 hours learning Ukrainian for the year?

And how many hours a year do you spend writing posts on here?

However, that kind of conflicts what I googled online that it takes at least around 1100 hrs of learning Ukrainian (1200 hrs Russian) to know it to a decent/fluent level.

Have you considered that whatever you googled was nonsense? (and there is a big difference between decent and fluent.)

When I was in high school, I took Spanish classes for 3 years.  That is one 45 minute class every day, 180 days a year.  That's about 400 hours, and not all of it was actually learning.  I can say that probably all the kids who had 3 years of Spanish classes were conversational.

Set against that 30 hours seems to be only nibbling away at the seemingly monumental struggle to learn such a language.

What makes you think my goal is to learn the language?  (I assume you mean being fluent, because fluency is NOT my goal.)

It just kind of makes me wonder at which point does a foreigner like us get to a useful state of affairs with such a language?

How do you define a "useful state of affairs?"  My goal is not a certain level of conversational ability or fluency.

Ever hear of the 5 love languages?  All 5 different languages can make a person feel loved, but some women will value each type of love language higher or lower.  Some things mean more to them than others.
Women's most common primary love language is quality time.  That's really hard with a long distance relationship.  Phone calls, video chats, and text messages help, but it's still hard to build a strong connection without face to face time.
The next most common love language for women is words of affirmation.  It shouldn't be hard to find ways of complimenting a girl.
Acts of service and physical touch come next, and gifts is usually last place for women.

But all women are different.  Some women value acts of service the highest.
So what exactly is acts of service?  It might be opening a door for her.  It might be taking out the trash, or helping with dishes or laundry.  It might be going to work every day to earn a living to support the family.

I'll give you another example of an Act of Service.  If a girl's native language is different from your native language, learning some of her language can be an act of service.  It doesn't matter how much you learn.  What matters is that she is important to you, and you are putting in effort for her.  Duolingo encourages people to build a habit of a daily lesson, and keeps track of how many days of lessons in a row you have. (a streak)  What is the impact on a woman when you can show her that you have been doing a daily lesson for X months?  She can see that you are reliable and dependable if you can do a lesson every day.

Repetition plus emotion is how you change someone's subconscious.  Women are emotional creatures.  They want an emotional connection.  Speaking in a foreign language is difficult, and can be hard to express emotion.  It takes too much brain just trying to get the words right.)  But if you speak in her native tongue, it can be a positive emotion for her.  If she sees you trying to learn her tongue, when you try to use a few words over and over as you talk with her, it helps her build a positive emotional connection with you.  And that's what it's about - finding a way to build a positive emotional connection with the girl.  Learning some of her native tongue is just a tool to help you build an emotional connection with her.   

As a side note, if you ever watched the YouTube channel Bald and Bankrupt, he gave some good advice on learning Russian.  Do not try to learn grammar.  Focus on learning vocabulary.  He admits that his Russian is horrible, and he makes tons of mistakes.  But it is functional because it is still possible to be understood.

You don't have to be fluent.  If a girl tells you, "Me love you long time" is it going to matter to you that it is broken English?  Of course not, because you know she is trying to speak your native tongue, and you can still understand what is meant.   

[Trenchcoat]

And how many hours a year do you spend writing posts on here?

Have you considered that whatever you googled was nonsense? (and there is a big difference between decent and fluent.)

When I was in high school, I took Spanish classes for 3 years.  That is one 45 minute class every day, 180 days a year.  That's about 400 hours, and not all of it was actually learning.  I can say that probably all the kids who had 3 years of Spanish classes were conversational.

What makes you think my goal is to learn the language?  (I assume you mean being fluent, because fluency is NOT my goal.)

How do you define a "useful state of affairs?"  My goal is not a certain level of conversational ability or fluency.

Ever hear of the 5 love languages?  All 5 different languages can make a person feel loved, but some women will value each type of love language higher or lower.  Some things mean more to them than others.
Women's most common primary love language is quality time.  That's really hard with a long distance relationship.  Phone calls, video chats, and text messages help, but it's still hard to build a strong connection without face to face time.
The next most common love language for women is words of affirmation.  It shouldn't be hard to find ways of complimenting a girl.
Acts of service and physical touch come next, and gifts is usually last place for women.

But all women are different.  Some women value acts of service the highest.
So what exactly is acts of service?  It might be opening a door for her.  It might be taking out the trash, or helping with dishes or laundry.  It might be going to work every day to earn a living to support the family.

I'll give you another example of an Act of Service.  If a girl's native language is different from your native language, learning some of her language can be an act of service.  It doesn't matter how much you learn.  What matters is that she is important to you, and you are putting in effort for her.  Duolingo encourages people to build a habit of a daily lesson, and keeps track of how many days of lessons in a row you have. (a streak)  What is the impact on a woman when you can show her that you have been doing a daily lesson for X months?  She can see that you are reliable and dependable if you can do a lesson every day.

Repetition plus emotion is how you change someone's subconscious.  Women are emotional creatures.  They want an emotional connection.  Speaking in a foreign language is difficult, and can be hard to express emotion.  It takes too much brain just trying to get the words right.)  But if you speak in her native tongue, it can be a positive emotion for her.  If she sees you trying to learn her tongue, when you try to use a few words over and over as you talk with her, it helps her build a positive emotional connection with you.  And that's what it's about - finding a way to build a positive emotional connection with the girl.  Learning some of her native tongue is just a tool to help you build an emotional connection with her.   

As a side note, if you ever watched the YouTube channel Bald and Bankrupt, he gave some good advice on learning Russian.  Do not try to learn grammar.  Focus on learning vocabulary.  He admits that his Russian is horrible, and he makes tons of mistakes.  But it is functional because it is still possible to be understood.

You don't have to be fluent.  If a girl tells you, "Me love you long time" is it going to matter to you that it is broken English?  Of course not, because you know she is trying to speak your native tongue, and you can still understand what is meant.   

Thanks Bee Farmer, well I don't think my Russian will likely be the sort of act of service a Ukrainian girl would want to hear lol. Its kind of a railroad track that's already been laid though as started well before the Invasion of Ukraine. Real difficult to know if I had the choice now, Russian has way more territory use, Ukrainian of course as you suggest would likely endear a Ukrainian girl more. As it is any change would be a in the making. Who knows though always the chance of a Russian speaking or Russian girl popping up, life can be a funny thing so any random stuff can happen.

I know what you mean about the steadily tapping out learning a language approach. The interest more in speaking a few words to endear a Ukrainian girl to you I also get. My own perspective I wanted decided on that at the beginning of learning Russian mainly because at the time it seemed all that could reasonably be hoped for. Now though after a bit of time trying to learn Russian I'm out for wanting greater command of the language. I personally see learning a FSU language as money in the bank. I've been in situations with FSW who don't know English at all well and while translation apps are a boon these days they can be a lag in communication that can become unproductive. Usually I find more extensive use tend to tire on both somewhat. I'm not saying I'm going to jump up speaking fluent Russian tommorow but I feel with each improvement in learning can help towards more natural communication even if basic and occasionally not always that correct. If I can get towards just basic communication with a FSW then that can aid day to day communication. I believe non-verbal communication, face expressions, etc can aid in that in extending the basic language further than it's spoken words.

I guess what I'm saying is that while I understand the outlook to just understanding a few words to touch landing I kind of came to the realisation that it wasn't going to be enough. That I was at a big disadvantage by not know Russian (or similar) to an everyday useful level both when over there and moving around, vulnerability issues and in connecting with a FSW. I know I write a lot of stuff on here but I make efforts, last week according to Duolingo I spent just over 6 hours learning Russian. A lot is stuff kind of already knew but is handy anyway I say my recall ability I do t feel is good. Generally if possible I'm going to try and devout 5 hours or more a week to learning Russian. I don't know how good or bad I might get but I would rather try and crack it anyway.

I've never heard of the 5 love languages. Probably true though. I think the distance one is a real issue as can put a wedge in the way from the get go. Kind of why I plan on just getting out over there this year. How about you Bee Farmer any plans for getting out there this year?

[Bee Farmer]

That depends upon Putin.  The girl I have been talking to was drafted into the army, and is an assistant to frontline medics.  She keeps getting moved all over and doesn't have free time.  She hasn't even gotten to go back to the village and see her parents since before the war.

As things stand right now, if I traveled to Ukraine, she wouldn't have free time to spend with me even if I could get to where she was at.
She sent me a pic the other day, showing me what a tired person who hasn't washed in 3 days looks like.

As soon as she is able to have free time to spend with me, I plan on going over.  I suspect that largely depends on when the fighting stops.

[Trenchcoat]

That depends upon Putin.  The girl I have been talking to was drafted into the army, and is an assistant to frontline medics.  She keeps getting moved all over and doesn't have free time.  She hasn't even gotten to go back to the village and see her parents since before the war.

As things stand right now, if I traveled to Ukraine, she wouldn't have free time to spend with me even if I could get to where she was at.
She sent me a pic the other day, showing me what a tired person who hasn't washed in 3 days looks like.

As soon as she is able to have free time to spend with me, I plan on going over.  I suspect that largely depends on when the fighting stops.

Bee Farmer man, that could be years!!!

I know that in the Army leave is granted but in wartime depending on the situation, set up, etc. But odds are they're likely to always be busy/needed and even if they get away visiting family is likely to be first priority. No telling if she would get enough time off to see you or either of you get to a meetup.

It's kind of why I decided I can't focus too much on Ukraine, a Ukrainian woman as it's become complex. I've seen it, so has Pat and no doubt others. Either meeting up with the women or the women turning out to be in another country altogether, etc.

I hope you're not just focusing on this woman Bee Farmer you could be throwing your life away hoping and waiting. I'm not saying ditch her but hopefully you're scouting out other women also. I'm not saying it couldn't come through for you but you could well be waiting on a long time for her, years even then no guarantee of chemistry upon arrival. That and I don't wish to raise a downer but odds are she's not totally immune to the events out there. You sound to me like someone who has it together enough to be able to get out to somewhere in the FSU and put into practice all that you've learnt. I personally would do that within the next few months if it were me. The virus, the war, etc have made stuff difficult these past couple of years or so but now I feel there is a real chance to get back out there again!

[Bee Farmer]

If you want to see someone throwing their life away hoping and waiting, I suggest you look in the mirror.

I've already met this girl face to face.  I'm happy with the progression of things, and see no point in looking elsewhere.  So far, it works for us.

If it's meant to be, a few years won't matter.  If it's not meant to be, a few years won't matter.

[Trenchcoat]

If you want to see someone throwing their life away hoping and waiting, I suggest you look in the mirror.

I've already met this girl face to face.  I'm happy with the progression of things, and see no point in looking elsewhere.  So far, it works for us.

If it's meant to be, a few years won't matter.  If it's not meant to be, a few years won't matter.

Good that you've already met her Bee Farmer but if it were me I would be wanting her to do a runner. As a woman it should be easy a task though probably best to circumvent the border check points through the wilderness. Get over there and set up a life with her maybe somewhere like Chișinău. Unless you make things happen nothing will and I don't think putting it down to it not meaning to be is the commitment you need to be thinking off.

Me I've got a trip lined up and have been preparing. I'm looking for the real deal no messing about. Don't know if I'll get it but that's what I'm aiming for.

[krimster2]

so, in other words, another failed trip to Ukraine, right Bee Boy...
that's TWO now, right??...
with nothing to show....
NO RESULTS!!!

cuz a bird in hand, curled up next to ya in bed, is worth 10 who are waiting for ya til after the war's over...

WAIT!!!  I have an idea for you!!
why not Pretend you have a Ukrainiang girl who's "waiting fer ya"  LOL!!!
oh, you already had this idea....  sorry....

don't reach for the little splinter of wood in Trench's eye, when ya got a freakin redwood log stuck in your own eye
ok?

[Bee Farmer]

Good that you've already met her Bee Farmer but if it were me I would be wanting her to do a runner. As a woman it should be easy a task though probably best to circumvent the border check points through the wilderness. Get over there and set up a life with her maybe somewhere like Chișinău.

I have no idea what it means to do a runner.  I'm guessing that is some sort of British slang that means to go AWOL.  You think I should ask her to run away from Ukraine, and then I should go set up a life with her in some place like Chisinau.

This has to be one of the stupidest things I have ever heard you say.  Why on earth would I want to ruin both of our lives?  Everyone loses in your scenario, and no one wins.

She's conscripted in the army.  If she deserts, I'm sure an arrest warrant will be issued.  She would never be able to travel back to Ukraine and see her family again. She loves her family dearly.

It's just absolutely moronic to suggest that a woman should abandon her family to go make a new life in a strange country with a man she barely knows.  That's a recipe for disaster.  You don't just marry a girl.  You marry her whole family too. 

If a girl is willing to abandon her responsibilities (like deserting from the army, and her family) to run off with you to Chisinau to start a new life, she is not a girl that you want anything to do with.

She had a stable job before the war, which allowed her to help financially support her parents in the village.  Why would she go to another economically depressed country to look for a job?  What's the odds she will earn enough to help support her parents? 

Why would I walk away from the economic benefits the western world provides me, so that I can go live in poverty in Chisinau?

I have a better idea.  It's called a win-win situation.  How about I continue working in America, earning good money?  (The girl moved to Kyiv from the village in search of economic opportunity.  She said she would prefer to live in the village if she could earn the same money as she earns in Kyiv.)  If we get to the point of integrating a life together, I can buy a cottage in her village that is close to her family.  I can spend several months of the year in America, earning enough to support us.  I can spend a few months of the year in Ukraine with her.  She can live near her family and help take care of her aging parents, whom she dearly loves.  She can also spend a few months of the year here visiting me.

That's a win-win situation for everyone.  That sounds a lot better than us trying to make a life in Chisinau.

[krimster2]

"It's just absolutely moronic to suggest that a woman should abandon her family to go make a new life in a strange country with a man she barely knows"

really, this first woman did when she married me and left Ukraine, and I'm not exaggerating 6'1" and a freakin hard body Ukrainian farm girl and this photo is from a summer in Greece after having two children...
and this second woman did, when she became my personal attorney and traveled with me from Russia to Costa Rica and lived with me AND my wife for several months, and yes, I was the cream in that Oreo cookie
any more "absolutes" you want to proclaim?
hmmmmmmm......

[Trenchcoat]

I have a better idea.  It's called a win-win situation.  How about I continue working in America, earning good money?  (The girl moved to Kyiv from the village in search of economic opportunity.  She said she would prefer to live in the village if she could earn the same money as she earns in Kyiv.)  If we get to the point of integrating a life together, I can buy a cottage in her village that is close to her family.  I can spend several months of the year in America, earning enough to support us.  I can spend a few months of the year in Ukraine with her.  She can live near her family and help take care of her aging parents, whom she dearly loves.  She can also spend a few months of the year here visiting me.

That's a win-win situation for everyone.  That sounds a lot better than us trying to make a life in Chisinau.

In theory that could work out but its only what works in your mind. The girl might be agreeable to it but would it ever really work that way?

How long will the war last? Will she survive the war? Will her parents survive the war/love that long? Might her idea of what she wants in life change? Would she run off with the cottage after you buying it and divorce you? Would she want to bother visiting you often in the US or just not bother? Would she even be interested in what you propose post war?

I'm not trying burst your bubble Bee Farmer but as much as it could work it also couldn't is what I'm getting at. It's up to you what you do with in life and where you place your bets. Would a FSW wait for a guy under the same circumstance???

If I were in your position Bee Farmer I would seriously consider instead searching for a woman in South America instead. You've got all the tools you need for that already, you already know conversational Spanish, all that is needed is a quick brush up on Duolingo, you might even be able to improve upon it. South America is a lot closer so you could visit regularly, let's face it going back & forth to the FSU is going to get old fast both for you and the girl. On the hypergamy scale you gain a lot of pluses from going to South America:

+ You're a White Dude, Lantino girls will see that as a step up the social hierarchy.

+ You will be seen as a wealthy guy from a wealthy country.

+ You'll be able to offer any offspring (hers or yours) the opportunities that America holds.

+ America has better healthcare, facilities, etc.

The list I'm sure goes on but the point being is all of the plus points on the hypergamy scale will help you hold onto a chick. They'll show greater interest as you will more easily be seen as a man of great importance. To my mind it's crazy to travel a farther distance to a land where you know barely any of the language to women that likely won't receive you as well.

If I were in the US I would definitely go to South America it's just far more logical and far easier to work it. After all Bee Farmer if you've only been to the FSU twice in the years you've been at it is it really a workable situation? For me something as you propose could be workable as I only live a three hour plane trip away (5-6 hours with travel from airport at either end, etc).

I'm not sure why you US guys go the FSU unless for real specific reasons/connections. South America is far more accessible and likely a quick win. Sure they may be slightly tanned but that will save time down the beach. If you have kids they may be slightly also but honestly though there is a slight nudge on the hypergamy scale to me it would make little difference. Hispanic girls can be hot, like any race some are pretty some not so and everything in between. I would say it's your chance to get a hot girl and hold onto her Bee Farmer and not have a load of other dudes after her. Your choice but I think you're trying to play the European game where the Americas game is a more natural fit.

The whole visit in is kind of what I have in mind but it really requires short travel flight time and ability to go regularly. Most FSW will want you to be there reasonably regularly and it's probably best to or they might start playing away. I myself intend to chuck in my job in a few months and move over to independent income to achieve this. Trying to hold down a job or business abroad especially a long way away and it hold together I am not sure that would work. I'm even wondering if what you suggest isn't kind of heading in the direction of being a sponsor. I think any language issue could be a problem also, if you don't speak good Ukrainian then she would have to speak good English. That could be a burden on her if she isn't naturally good at it, if she is then it's not so bad.

I'm just saying that you may have a good quick win more closer to home in South America. I would definitely scout out the possibility as putting your life on hold for this woman I am not sure is a good idea.

[krimster2]

my wife and and I are goin to Jamaica next month, when I go buy fresh coffee plants...
central America is not as good as Ukraine in terms of the quality of women, they really only have just one type of look, and only a few who ARE REALLY GOOD LOOKING, they exist but are rare...
also, on the short side....
I'll take a strapping Ukrainian farm girl with muscled legs and abs, and will settle for nothing less...
OTOH, sexuality is MUCH more promiscuous in central America, I can get away with a lot of stuff with the local girls in Costa Rica that I WOULD NOT be able to do in the USA AT ALL!
White Privilige!
so, if you have tendencies for ANY kind of perversion,or in my case MULTIPLE kinds,  central America is TOTALLY the place to go to!!!
also, VERY BIG "White Boy" fetish thing going on there
not as much as in Shanghai, China, that's freakin CRAZY how the women go after white boys there!!
but if you're one of them "fair haired, blue eyed wonders" with a svelte physique
watch what happens when you walk into a shop full of women
it's best to wear sun glasses so you don't have to freak out when you suddenly see 50 women ALL LOOKING AT YOU!!!!
AHHHHHH!!!

Dobre Den Moy Druzya
Remember folks, ESPECIALLY in these troubled times,  a day without Krimskaya Koffee is like a day without drugs!!
save the "cold turkey" for the day after American Thanksgiving Holiday!
and enjoy a freshly brewed cup of enhanced Krimskaya Koffee!!
we bring the mountains of Bolivia and Costa Rica to your doma in Novo Rossiya!!!  Nosdarovia Tovarische!!

[Trenchcoat]

my wife and and I are goin to Jamaica next month, when I go buy fresh coffee plants...
central America is not as good as Ukraine in terms of the quality of women, they really only have just one type of look, and only a few who ARE REALLY GOOD LOOKING, they exist but are rare...
also, on the short side....
I'll take a strapping Ukrainian farm girl with muscled legs and abs, and will settle for nothing less...
OTOH, sexuality is MUCH more promiscuous in central America, I can get away with a lot of stuff with the local girls in Costa Rica that I WOULD NOT be able to do in the USA AT ALL!
White Privilige!
so, if you have tendencies for ANY kind of perversion,or in my case MULTIPLE kinds,  central America is TOTALLY the place to go to!!!
also, VERY BIG "White Boy" fetish thing going on there
not as much as in Shanghai, China, that's freakin CRAZY how the women go after white boys there!!
but if you're one of them "fair haired, blue eyed wonders" with a svelte physique
watch what happens when you walk into a shop full of women
it's best to wear sun glasses so you don't have to freak out when you suddenly see 50 women ALL LOOKING AT YOU!!!!
AHHHHHH!!!

Dobre Den Moy Druzya
Remember folks, ESPECIALLY in these troubled times,  a day without Krimskaya Koffee is like a day without drugs!!
save the "cold turkey" for the day after American Thanksgiving Holiday!
and enjoy a freshly brewed cup of enhanced Krimskaya Koffee!!
we bring the mountains of Bolivia and Costa Rica to your doma in Novo Rossiya!!!  Nosdarovia Tovarische!!

You're forgetting Krim that your wife's height is unusually tall for Ukraine. Most Ukrainian girls the average height is around 5 foot 4 inches. Most of the girls on Fdate and a few of the girls I met were around 5ft 4". The only girl that wasn't was the first girl I met, the blonde girl from Mariupol, she was a bit taller and was happy that she could wear high heels with me without towering over me. In high heels she was about the same height, around my 6ft.

Anyhow so from what I see many Central/South America girls will be similar 5 foot 4 inches. For a tall guy like me that's not that ideal but I accept now that it's a lesser issue to get hung up on so I've decided it has to be more of a preference than a deal breaker. Many smaller girls are pretty and hot, in fact I find that looks wise can often be better looking than taller girls facially, not sure why that is possibly just down to greater prevalence of shorter women in the world. Physique I agree taller girls are great if in shape, a tall elegant form in a dress that shoes that off with a nice pair of titties dangling away is a glorious sight to behold. Short girls can do well enough if in shape but they can struggle to compete on that one. The biggest issue with shorter girls though I think is in bed, all sorts of maneuvering needed to make it work well enough and the girl's head often down at your chest as if she wants you to brest feed her lol. Just more natural feeling if the height difference isn't so marked but like I say not a deal-breaker just not as easy.

Looks vary and will depend upon what turns Bee Farmer on. I once worked at a place probably about a decade or so ago now which had a young cleaner girl (early twenties) who was from Brazil. She was tallish, just under my height I think and was as hot as hell. Not many South/Central Americans in the UK due to distance/Atlantic ocean like in America. She had been imported by this white dude and was marrying him. Didn't know him really but seemed to be from a reasonably well off family and probably had good sense to go to South America for a wife. He used to pick her up at work and could see why she was very pretty facially and a great figure. Her English was fairly decent. Seemed to show interest in me initially but then I think worked out I wasn't that high up the work hierarchy as it may have first appeared and socially not that wonderful. My personal view was that the guy might struggle to hold onto her once she got citizenship i.e be used as a visa mule but who knows. I got the impression that social climbing could be her outlook and she had the looks and charisma to do so if she so chose.

Anyway, things moved on but the potential quality of the women from those parts was not lost on me. Sure it's kind of looks based and perhaps other qualities should be considered but as men it tends to be an irresistible feature for most of us. I accept not all are going to be that attractive, many so-so or ugly ones. As we've seen from Ukraine though not all are pretty, possibly more on balance, but many fleeing the war who aren't. More of a case of the prettier ones feeling they can trade up/do better with a foreigner I take it as. 

So yeah, I kind of just think that Bee Farmer at his age, guessing similar to mine mid forties would have a far easier time in Central/South America like you say the whole digging white boys, white fetish thing going on their. That could be a major win for Bee Farmer as they would see him potentially as a major upgrade and he prepared to stick with him potentially. Bee Farmer knowing Spanish is a great card to have to play, opens up many more women that some guys otherwise would struggle to get access to. Play to his strengths is what I'm saying rather than turn his back on an obvious easy win territory and spend years grasping for a hard reach in the FSU. A year on from now Bee Farmer could be set up with a hot Latino in his bed possibly having children with him instead of still being a penpal to some woman in Ukraine in a situation going nowhere fast.

[Trenchcoat]

Probably one of the hang ups I'm guessing with US guys not going for Latino chicks is done may come across as a bit too tanned. I kind of get the impression that's due to where they are but taking one away from such sunny conditions I get the impression they lose a lot of that tan. Some in Central/South America may not be as tanned as others as well. I personally think a chick with a slight tan on her can be pretty hot looking.

As far as ethnicity is concerned a lot of central/south Americans are descended from European stock, mainly Spanish. A few may have a bit of the native genes from long ago but that probably very little these days. Always the original tribes in the Amazon of course, etc. So I feel a lot of hang ups about ethnicity are not necessarily what they may need be. Even in Wales a lot of the inhabitants here with dark hair are originally thought to be from Celtic tribes from northern Spain, mostly the Basque area.

I personally think there is much to dig in Latino culture, a lot of those women can lot pretty hot in a traditional Spanish dress doing the Salsa or similar. Big plus of course is being able to visit most times of the year with little cold weather in most parts. If it were me as a US guy and no easy win showing from the FSU I would be over to Central/South America in a shot particularly if getting on to middle age as only so long on this planet as we get on so silly having hang ups about ever little thing at our age I feel. Better just to go out there and enjoy what we can.

[ML]

As far as ethnicity is concerned a lot of central/south Americans are descended from European stock, mainly Spanish. A few may have a bit of the native genes from long ago but that probably very little these days.

Not an expert here, but I think you are totally wrong.

I think there are more native genes present in that population than European genes.

I saw a fair amount of college students up here from Central America.

Not a one of them looked at all European.

[Bee Farmer]

In theory that could work out but its only what works in your mind. The girl might be agreeable to it but would it ever really work that way?

Only one way to find out.  Make a decision and stick with it.

How long will the war last? Will she survive the war? Will her parents survive the war/love that long? Might her idea of what she wants in life change? Would she run off with the cottage after you buying it and divorce you? Would she want to bother visiting you often in the US or just not bother? Would she even be interested in what you propose post war?

I might drop dead tonight too.  Rather than focusing on the potential negatives, I'd rather look at how to focus on the potential positives, while mitigating the negative possibilities as much as possible.

She's 39. By that age, most women's core values and goals are pretty well defined.  It's unlikely she will change her life goals overnight. 

Cottages are a little too heavy to run off with.  And I would hope I have enough foresight to see if a girl is only interested in me as a way to get a cottage in a village.  Cottages in a village in the middle of nowhere are pretty cheap.  Even if she ended up with the cottage, it's not going to do her much good if there are no jobs there to support herself.

I have a half acre patch of blackberries that I sell at a farmers market every week.  She has expressed interest in visiting me to help me pick the berries.  (I don't know if she understands the difficulties of visiting America without being married, but America is going to have some serious conversations on immigration in about 5 years, and I expect the doors to be flung open to many immigrants.  I think this will also be combined with welfare reform, with a massive reduction of welfare benefits.)
I think most foreigners would like to visit America, even if they are not interested in living here.  I suspect she will still be interested after the war is over.

Finding a plane to fly on may be more difficult, since Airbus is basically dead now and they have the biggest market share.

If I were in your position Bee Farmer I would seriously consider instead searching for a woman in South America instead. You've got all the tools you need for that already, you already know conversational Spanish, all that is needed is a quick brush up on Duolingo, you might even be able to improve upon it. South America is a lot closer so you could visit regularly, let's face it going back & forth to the FSU is going to get old fast both for you and the girl. On the hypergamy scale you gain a lot of pluses from going to South America:

+ You're a White Dude, Lantino girls will see that as a step up the social hierarchy.

+ You will be seen as a wealthy guy from a wealthy country.

+ You'll be able to offer any offspring (hers or yours) the opportunities that America holds.

+ America has better healthcare, facilities, etc.

I find it quite laughable (and your analysis ignorant) that you would give dating advice to anyone.

Why would a Latina girl want a white guy, when she can get a Mexican guy who speaks Spanish and is familiar with her culture?  Mexico's economy has improved greatly (and in the next 10-20 years, they will be the shining star of Central American countries).  It's not Mexican illegal immigrants trying to come to America anymore.  They can find good jobs in Mexico.  Now it's the Central American countries we see the immigrants coming from.

I don't know why you think America has better healthcare.  All their doctors went to medical school in the US and have the same training and equipment as US doctors.  I know people who go to Mexico for medical care because it is comparable quality as the US, for a fraction of the price.  Haven't you ever heard of medical tourism?   

It's silly to think that a white American will be automatically viewed as a wealthy guy simply because he is American.  Believe me, there are enough Latinos in America talking to folks back home (not to mention internet information) so Latino girls will have a very realistic idea of what a wealthy guy is.

Actually, I can't offer offspring the opportunities America offers.  We're at the peak right now.  We have more Baby Boomers retiring now than people entering the workforce.  We're going to experience an economic contraction.  We won't have more workers entering the workforce than people retiring until 2040.  That means that if we have kids, when they get old enough to enter the workforce, there wilkl be a surplus of workers, and a shortage of jobs.

I'm not sure why you US guys go the FSU unless for real specific reasons/connections. South America is far more accessible and likely a quick win. Sure they may be slightly tanned but that will save time down the beach. If you have kids they may be slightly also but honestly though there is a slight nudge on the hypergamy scale to me it would make little difference. Hispanic girls can be hot, like any race some are pretty some not so and everything in between. I would say it's your chance to get a hot girl and hold onto her Bee Farmer and not have a load of other dudes after her.

You forget a few things.  People tend to go for people who look like them.  I like white girls personally.
Latina women also age differently.  Every year, their hips and butt get bigger.  By the time they are in my dating age group, they have more junk in the trunk than I like.
There's another factor you're forgetting.  What's under the skin?  Research shows that if there is more than a 20 IQ point gap between people, they have a hard time relating and communicating with the other.  Mexican/Latin America average IQ is around 90.  Yes, there are some exceptionally bright girls South of the border, but they are few and far between.  (And if they are exceptionally bright, they have plenty of economic opportunities at home.)  My IQ is above average for a white guy, so it's going to be a lot harder to find a Latina with the IQ I want.
The odds of finding a girl that meets the cultural/physical/IQ standards I want are far greater in Ukraine than in Latin America.   

And if you get a hot girl, you will ALWAYS have loads of other guys who are after her.  It's delusional to think that you can get a hot girl from anywhere, and not have other guys trying to get her.  You're not going to change the guys. You just have to choose a girl who will commit to you, and not be interested in other guys.  What country a girl is from is not going to change that. 

Trying to hold down a job or business abroad especially a long way away and it hold together I am not sure that would work. I'm even wondering if what you suggest isn't kind of heading in the direction of being a sponsor.

Where there is a will, there is a way.  It's not that difficult to hold down a business in America and live in Ukraine a few months of the year.  The next thing you know, you are going to say that marriage sounds like a sponsor, if the guy is financially supporting the girl.  Do you think that girls are just looking for a meal ticket?
Correct me if I am wrong, but being a sponsor does not suggest having any emotional attachment or a commitment.  It is done mutually for financial and physical desires.  You don't even have to like the person
or be committed to them.  A relationship involves liking the person, and being committed to them.

I think any language issue could be a problem also, if you don't speak good Ukrainian then she would have to speak good English. That could be a burden on her if she isn't naturally good at it, if she is then it's not so bad.

You're going to have a language barrier between any international relationship.  A high school friend married a British girl who came here to work.  You can't understand half of what she says, and she speaks English.

As far as ethnicity is concerned a lot of central/south Americans are descended from European stock, mainly Spanish. A few may have a bit of the native genes from long ago but that probably very little these days.

Argentina is about the only South American country with a lot of European genetics.  There was a ton of European immigrants to Argentina.  At one time it was a very wealthy country.
The rest of the Latino countries are still black haired, olive skinned descendants of the original indigenous groups.

it's just far more logical and far easier to work it.
you may have a good quick win more closer to home
 would have a far easier time in Central/South America
on an obvious easy win territory
If it were me as a US guy and no easy win showing from the FSU

Why are you so focused on trying to get an easy girl?  The easy girls are the ones most likely to leave you for another guy.  That's why we say they are easy.
Why do you think another guy would want a relationship with an easy girl?

The girls you should want for a relationship are not easy girls.  You are going to have to work.  It's not going to be easy.  But it will be worthwhile.

If all you want is an easy girl, just look for sex workers.  Forget a relationship and be a sex tourist.  It's probably the easiest/cheapest way to get a girl.

[krimster2]

INCELS
some incels must live sad and frustrating lives, to say the least...
I also believe that a long term addiction to porn/masturbation will lead to some kinda neural "degenercy", the Bible even tried to warn us about it...
but do you "self-induced seed spillers" have ANY shame over your obsessive compulsive seed spillin', HUH?
WELL, do ya?

obviously NOT, and I betcha ya don't even wash your HAND after
and you wonder why you're STILL SINGLE?
A MAJOR PRIZE like you!!
DUH!

unlike YOU seed spillers, I have not "pulled my pud" since I've been married
and that's a LONG time!

seed spillin fools
none of you realize how EZ it is to get Pooty Tang for westerners in some foreign environments, like Shanghai, for example
instead of NO POOTY TANG...
think of what it's like to get ALL the pooty tang you WANT
how much of your mental energy is then freed to go and do useful things...

instead of day dreaming about some naked girl WAITING JUST FOR YOU (with tender violin music)...
you could use that mental energy to write a small app that runs on Android Phones to embed messages in the bitcoin block chain that can be anonymously and globally distributed

or write a javascript application that does distributed fractional bitcoin mining and put the code in porn sites
you now now have hundreds of thousands of machines mining bitcoin
AND...
so on top of all the MONEY MAKIN OPPORTUNITIES the world offers to remote app developers
on top of that you GET ALL THE POOTY TANG you can handle from the local women who are around you and you come in contact with!!!!!
it's a quantum world, where you can live in these two different dimensions simultaneously

you seed spillers will NEVER, NEVER know what this feels like
it feels like riding in Tashkent in a Mercedes converdible with the top down and the CD cranked up...

 

[Trenchcoat]

Only one way to find out.  Make a decision and stick with it.

I might drop dead tonight too.  Rather than focusing on the potential negatives, I'd rather look at how to focus on the potential positives, while mitigating the negative possibilities as much as possible.

She's 39. By that age, most women's core values and goals are pretty well defined.  It's unlikely she will change her life goals overnight. 

Cottages are a little too heavy to run off with.  And I would hope I have enough foresight to see if a girl is only interested in me as a way to get a cottage in a village.  Cottages in a village in the middle of nowhere are pretty cheap.  Even if she ended up with the cottage, it's not going to do her much good if there are no jobs there to support herself.

I have a half acre patch of blackberries that I sell at a farmers market every week.  She has expressed interest in visiting me to help me pick the berries.  (I don't know if she understands the difficulties of visiting America without being married, but America is going to have some serious conversations on immigration in about 5 years, and I expect the doors to be flung open to many immigrants.  I think this will also be combined with welfare reform, with a massive reduction of welfare benefits.)
I think most foreigners would like to visit America, even if they are not interested in living here.  I suspect she will still be interested after the war is over.

Finding a plane to fly on may be more difficult, since Airbus is basically dead now and they have the biggest market share.

I find it quite laughable (and your analysis ignorant) that you would give dating advice to anyone.

Why would a Latina girl want a white guy, when she can get a Mexican guy who speaks Spanish and is familiar with her culture?  Mexico's economy has improved greatly (and in the next 10-20 years, they will be the shining star of Central American countries).  It's not Mexican illegal immigrants trying to come to America anymore.  They can find good jobs in Mexico.  Now it's the Central American countries we see the immigrants coming from.

I don't know why you think America has better healthcare.  All their doctors went to medical school in the US and have the same training and equipment as US doctors.  I know people who go to Mexico for medical care because it is comparable quality as the US, for a fraction of the price.  Haven't you ever heard of medical tourism?   

It's silly to think that a white American will be automatically viewed as a wealthy guy simply because he is American.  Believe me, there are enough Latinos in America talking to folks back home (not to mention internet information) so Latino girls will have a very realistic idea of what a wealthy guy is.

Actually, I can't offer offspring the opportunities America offers.  We're at the peak right now.  We have more Baby Boomers retiring now than people entering the workforce.  We're going to experience an economic contraction.  We won't have more workers entering the workforce than people retiring until 2040.  That means that if we have kids, when they get old enough to enter the workforce, there wilkl be a surplus of workers, and a shortage of jobs.

You forget a few things.  People tend to go for people who look like them.  I like white girls personally.
Latina women also age differently.  Every year, their hips and butt get bigger.  By the time they are in my dating age group, they have more junk in the trunk than I like.
There's another factor you're forgetting.  What's under the skin?  Research shows that if there is more than a 20 IQ point gap between people, they have a hard time relating and communicating with the other.  Mexican/Latin America average IQ is around 90.  Yes, there are some exceptionally bright girls South of the border, but they are few and far between.  (And if they are exceptionally bright, they have plenty of economic opportunities at home.)  My IQ is above average for a white guy, so it's going to be a lot harder to find a Latina with the IQ I want.
The odds of finding a girl that meets the cultural/physical/IQ standards I want are far greater in Ukraine than in Latin America.   

And if you get a hot girl, you will ALWAYS have loads of other guys who are after her.  It's delusional to think that you can get a hot girl from anywhere, and not have other guys trying to get her.  You're not going to change the guys. You just have to choose a girl who will commit to you, and not be interested in other guys.  What country a girl is from is not going to change that. 

Where there is a will, there is a way.  It's not that difficult to hold down a business in America and live in Ukraine a few months of the year.  The next thing you know, you are going to say that marriage sounds like a sponsor, if the guy is financially supporting the girl.  Do you think that girls are just looking for a meal ticket?
Correct me if I am wrong, but being a sponsor does not suggest having any emotional attachment or a commitment.  It is done mutually for financial and physical desires.  You don't even have to like the person
or be committed to them.  A relationship involves liking the person, and being committed to them.

You're going to have a language barrier between any international relationship.  A high school friend married a British girl who came here to work.  You can't understand half of what she says, and she speaks English.

Argentina is about the only South American country with a lot of European genetics.  There was a ton of European immigrants to Argentina.  At one time it was a very wealthy country.
The rest of the Latino countries are still black haired, olive skinned descendants of the original indigenous groups.

Why are you so focused on trying to get an easy girl?  The easy girls are the ones most likely to leave you for another guy.  That's why we say they are easy.
Why do you think another guy would want a relationship with an easy girl?

The girls you should want for a relationship are not easy girls.  You are going to have to work.  It's not going to be easy.  But it will be worthwhile.

If all you want is an easy girl, just look for sex workers.  Forget a relationship and be a sex tourist.  It's probably the easiest/cheapest way to get a girl.

And people on here say I make excuses for myself!

Bee Farmer, you're making more excuses than even I do with less reason than I do.

Read back what you write and you will see one excuse after another, none of it is relevant. Most of it contrived in your own mind as reasons not to do.

Go now to Fdate or wherever and look up girls in Central/South American countries. Pick out those that you like and start messaging them!

Then when you have found someone to visit go visit them it's a short flight from where you are of a few hours rather than a day on a plane. Even go visit any decent agency if at a short end while over there, just have done fun. If finding a plane to fly on across the Atlantic is getting tricky why get too concerned with this one girl. Sure keep her in the wings but see if you can make it happen with a Latino today, this year!

Nearly every girl of colour digs a white dude, far beyond wealth it speaks to her of social status and the social hierarchy. Most of the world sees white people at the top and them less so, don't ask me why they just do. It's not my outlook but most women that aren't white just do. In India women try to make their skin whiter with all sorts of products to achieve this, particularly actresses, models, girls looking to rise up the social hierarchy.

So that gives you a massive bonus Bee Farmer, like me you're white by default from birth. Likely like me think nothing of it yet these girls will dig you big time. They will think of nothing else but riding you to excel themselves up that hierarchy. You will literally be like a gift from above for many of them out there.

Look on the positive side with opportunities also, who knows how things are going to shape up. America has been dominant for over 100 years now and their playing of the situation in Ukraine/Russia as Krim has shown us is only going to make them stronger. Forget about the ins & outs and just grab the opportunities where you can.

For the love of it don't go wasting precious years holding out for sone woman in Ukraine who is past her sell by date as it is at the moment. Don't let the local situation with women make you so desperate, ignore it and get on a place to South America.

Within a few weeks you could be sorted with a chick down there be speaking her lingo and making plans for your future rather than penpalling it some women far away with probably nothing ever happening.

You can have a bright future ahead of you Bee Farmer and it's so easy. The women in Central/South America are going to be way easier to get into a relationship with than in the FSU. Make a move on it today and be cuddled up in bed with a hot Latino in a long term relationship a few days from now. It's what I would do in a heartbeat in your shoes, I just wish I was in a short cheap plane trip ride from all the action and a good life I could start living today not put on hold forever more.

[Trenchcoat]

Don't know either if you are engaged to this girl in Ukraine?

Thing is with that no girl is tied down in Ukraine unless engaged to be married. Which means you've made her no commitment in her culture. So any overtures and thoughts that you are an item Bee Farmer essentially don't give you any claim to get being your girl as you think the case is with her. If she meets a guy in the Army or a fellow Medic, etc there she could get close quickly and you will be yesterday's news just done nice guy from the US but not a Ukrainian and far, far away. The practical aspect will quickly become apparent to her and she'll feel direct closeness with the guy. In any case guy or not I fear you are failing on the 1st of your 5 languages of love.

I'm not saying all this stuff to cheese you off or diss your relationship Bee Farmer I just think you need to assess the situation and realise it may not necessarily be all that. I'm not sure I do you realise how far fetched matters are in your situation. You're dealing with a completely different language that's a hard study with an almost completely different alphabet. You don't have a good command of Ukrainian but you di have a good command of Spanish and don't have to learn a new alphabet for it. To me it's a no brainer, the Central/South American option is already in your lap and you don't realise it and instead go for a much harder option and willing to wait it out years putting off potentially a lot of joy with no guarantee of success. I think Boe on here once suggested to me South America as a better option and I live much, much further away and know no Spanish.