Dating Ukrainian Refugees

[Trenchcoat]

Thought I would start this topic as a large number of Ukrainian women abroad now. However I have noticed only the odd few on dating sites, not very many at all really. I kind of thought there would be a good deal more so was somewhat surprised. My thoughts are a lot of course will be women with children hopefully for their father to survive, if not with them and a return home when matters allow. Others I have heard have already returned home though think that is probably women with children. Single women without children though I am thinking that they are probably dating the local guys, have bf's back in Ukraine or thoughts are on matters other than dating. Just wondering what others have found on this?

The main areas I thought I would find them are Poland and Moldova but not that many are popping up considering the large intake they have take in, so kind of wondering what's going down here?

[Chelseaboy]

The few single Ukrainian women who were actually serious about finding a foreign husband on dating sites....rather than taking foreign guys/mugs to the cleaners financially...now no longer need to go on dating sites to find a foreign husband  whilst they are refugees,they can meet plenty of men where they're staying.


I did warn you that very attractive single Ukrainian women would be hooking up with local men in Poland within the three years they're allowed to stay there ,and i expect the same will be happening in other EU countries....USA and UK too.

[Boethius]

The better half knows a lot of Poles.  Apparently, UW are indeed dating/sleeping with Polish men in very small towns where they have settled (which is how this information has made its way here).  If that's occurring in small towns, it's also occurring in larger centres.

[Trenchcoat]

The few single Ukrainian women who were actually serious about finding a foreign husband on dating sites....rather than taking foreign guys/mugs to the cleaners financially...now no longer need to go on dating sites to find a foreign husband  whilst they are refugees,they can meet plenty of men where they're staying.


I did warn you that very attractive single Ukrainian women would be hooking up with local men in Poland within the three years they're allowed to stay there ,and i expect the same will be happening in other EU countries....USA and UK too.

Looks like you were right CB, I didn't doubt so much that you were wrong but my hands were tied finishing off my house conversion at the time and in the thick of it doing some jobs that I couldn't avoid on it. I would have really had to have had my house done and rented out to be over there and with time & money to spend. So it's pretty unfortunate for me the timing of it all as had the stars aligned on that one I could be in prime position. Still that boat has sailed and it's mostly too late now to move on that one it seems. Of course still anything could happen in the future so stuff may still happen there. I've still got other options to try so I'll keep hunting around.

[Trenchcoat]

The better half knows a lot of Poles.  Apparently, UW are indeed dating/sleeping with Polish men in very small towns where they have settled (which is how this information has made its way here).  If that's occurring in small towns, it's also occurring in larger centres.

Thanks for the info Boe, I much appreciate hearing from someone with the inside track on it all Yeah that would kind of reflect what I've seen online with not a lot of Ukrainian girls appearing. Stuff can happen though as Poland isn't a lot more wealthier than Ukraine but I guess if Ukrainian girls see a life there, it's nearby and not under fire from the Russians. Seems like there is a lot of competition around these days so I'll have to dig a little deeper and work a little harder on how I put myself across as Krim suggests.

[Chelseaboy]

In general i'd forget all about Ukraine as a place to date now....unless you're willing to wait until the war ends and then date war widows with children who stayed there or have gone back...and then you'll constantly be compared with their heroic husbands who died to protect them,their children and their country.


It was always going to be very hard for you to find a wife in Ukraine anyway,because the kind of girls you're looking for out there tend to be mercenary pro-daters full of deceit, caused by the  corrupt marriage agencies .


I wouldn't go to Russia or Belarus either with their anti-western sentiment.


Your best bet is Moldova,Serbia or the Stans....and it always was.

[Daveman]

It was always going to be very hard for you to find a wife in Ukraine anyway,because the kind of girls you're looking for out there tend to be mercenary pro-daters full of deceit, caused by the  corrupt marriage agencies .

The few single Ukrainian women who were actually serious about finding a foreign husband on dating sites....rather than taking foreign guys/mugs to the cleaners financially...

No woman, Ukrainian or otherwise, can take a guy to the cleaners financially (unless he actually marries her) -- he has to voluntarily dump his cash in the laundry himself.

Agree though, meeting/dating in Ukraine and some other areas is rather problematic at the moment.

[ML]

No woman, Ukrainian or otherwise, can take a guy to the cleaners financially (unless he actually marries her) -- he has to voluntarily dump his cash in the laundry himself.

Quite true.

Unfortunately, we men are cursed by that stuff called testosterone.

[Trenchcoat]

In general i'd forget all about Ukraine as a place to date now....unless you're willing to wait until the war ends and then date war widows with children who stayed there or have gone back...and then you'll constantly be compared with their heroic husbands who died to protect them,their children and their country.


It was always going to be very hard for you to find a wife in Ukraine anyway,because the kind of girls you're looking for out there tend to be mercenary pro-daters full of deceit, caused by the  corrupt marriage agencies .


I wouldn't go to Russia or Belarus either with their anti-western sentiment.


Your best bet is Moldova,Serbia or the Stans....and it always was.

It true, the kind of girl I'm looking for makes it harder and like you say in Ukraine probably moreso because of the scammer industry. I'm not really so much bothered about a 9 or 10 looking girl, some of those you can see just from their pics and the way they  are after millionaire type of guys and to be honest they often lack the more genuine edge I look for, the runway models don't really do it for me just too ott in a way. So the 7-8 looks girls are nice, down to earth looking not too overdone on a polished look.

War widows with children wouldn't really be my bag, in general I tend to stay away from women with existing children as can be problematic.

Anyhow, yeah the problem is, is that I think nearly all those guys that used to look in Ukraine are now looking in Moldova - guys wanting LTR's, Marriage, Sex Tourists, Keyboard Romeo's, etc. So all of them are compacted down into a much smaller country size with a much smaller population. So you can imagine that has upped the competition as all confined to a much smaller pool of women. One girl on DMnotify, quite pretty looking, no kids, has only been on there about a month and I worked out from her reply rate that she must have gotten about roughly somewhere in the region of 200 letters written to her in that month being on there! I don't think she has gotten around to mine yet, lol.

Serbia is another possibility but found on Fdate not a lot of women on there, could try other websites but likely similar.

The Stans are a problem for me at the moment as a long way away and of course cost is higher with that. I've still got some stuff to finish on the house before I can rent the rooms out so until I've done the Stans are of the cards.

Belarus seems to be a bit better than Moldova but that of course us because it's not as easy to get into as before. All the restrictions mean that a flight is around £1k then there is the hotel/appt cost which tends to be higher than Ukraine was as less hotels, etc. Many of the girls there I that put themselves up for dating foreigners are likely ok as they tend to be the ones that want to leave Belarus as has been the case as they aren't fans of Lukashenko, life there or they just don't care and want a good life elsewhere. That for me isn't great as I kind of want a girl who doesn't mind staying in her home country for it to work the way I want it to. Again the Stans wouldn't be great as a longer distance so not convenient on that one.

Only other possible choice is Georgia - very religious and not sure there is the foreign dating market there but who knows.

Other option is Ukraine, message girls there and get them to meet up with me in Moldova, less than ideal but an option. Then along the way see about a meet up in Ukraine perhaps depending on situation or get her to stay with me in Moldova, temporarily at least.

Russia tends to be out the question for me as again high travelling costs (feeling 2tallbill's pain there) like Belarus often through Istanbul and then on top visa costs. More than that is more likelyhood of trouble so not wishing to sit in some prison up on bs charges I would rather pass. Extra flight time would also be a bummer at the moment plus I'm more in favour of Ukraine and so would feel unease about getting in with a Russian girl.

So in many ways it's gotten harder so just going to have to up my game a bit more and dig a bit deeper I think.

[Trenchcoat]

One small positive is that we've been out the EU a couple of years now so it means the rest of people in the EU can't just move to the UK now. So that I think can help in terms of value, it will take more years out to see a greater effect but I think it will help in general going forward.

[Trenchcoat]

On tinder at the moment, move city location to Chișinău, Moldova. It's picking up girls from there and a bit further a field I think. Dunno, for me I'm beginning to think it may be a bit of a mistake. Many of the girls on there are pretty highly polished looking at their photos at least. I think my fear would be that they could be a bit too high maintenance - they kind of give me that impression a bit.

I mean I like a pretty girl but when they look a bit too polished looking, a bit high end my mind thinks it probably best to bail. I think unfortunately there seems to be a lot of girls on there that look that way I think tinder tends to attract that type. Kind of the same as over here but less fake tan, fake beauty girls, more real looking, dressed up to the nighs but a bit ott. Then of course the hook up nature of the app so for me I might be hunting in the wrong place on that one.

I've got one match just now, sent a message but doubt I'll get a reply. She's pretty, more or less runway model looking but odds are a lit of guys will be of messaging her. Odds are she's got the app linked up to the auto swipe lol

[LAman]

On tinder at the moment, move city location to Chișinău, Moldova. It's picking up girls from there and a bit further a field I think. Dunno, for me I'm beginning to think it may be a bit of a mistake. Many of the girls on there are pretty highly polished looking at their photos at least. I think my fear would be that they could be a bit too high maintenance - they kind of give me that impression a bit.

I mean I like a pretty girl but when they look a bit too polished looking, a bit high end my mind thinks it probably best to bail. I think unfortunately there seems to be a lot of girls on there that look that way I think tinder tends to attract that type. Kind of the same as over here but less fake tan, fake beauty girls, more real looking, dressed up to the nighs but a bit ott. Then of course the hook up nature of the app so for me I might be hunting in the wrong place on that one.

I've got one match just now, sent a message but doubt I'll get a reply. She's pretty, more or less runway model looking but odds are a lit of guys will be of messaging her. Odds are she's got the app linked up to the auto swipe lol

I guess that blow up gal is looking mighty interesting for you now.

[Trenchcoat]

I guess that blow up gal is looking mighty interesting for you now.

Funny you say that LAman but just as I was about to go looking for a good blow up doll I actually got a response back on Tinder lol. Girl replied, about 30 years old from Chisinau. She's a model and got plenty of model pics up to view. Suffice to say she is very pretty but I think would likely be a bit high maintenance for me. I think I probably need a girl who is near model like but not quite there in some way(s). My guess is with this girl is that she is nearing her sale by date so far as the modelling industry is concerned and will soon be put out to stud. If she doesn't do anything then a bit too comfortable future in Chișinău beckons so hence why she is likely on there either that or she's just looking for validation. Looks like after a little back and forth the conversation might be fizzling out a bit now but like said I reckon she possibly might be after a richer guy than I.

[Steven1971]

I found myself in a similar situation back in January. A little bit of detective work showed she was making money from sex web cams, Only Fans and PPL chats. Nice woman and the nudes she sent me showed why she got work as a model in her twenties, but really she is just on the internet to chat.

I moved on to a 31 year old woman from Kyiv who I hope to meet in Krakow in January. She's planning on taking the train via Lviv. First time I've communicated with a woman with a kid. He's 1 year old who's father left when his mum was 6 weeks pregnant. A young toddler is much more preferable for me than an 11 year old with attitude who wants to see their father.

[Daveman]

Funny you say that LAman but just as I was about to go looking for a good blow up doll I actually got a response back on Tinder lol. Girl replied, about 30 years old from Chisinau. She's a model and got plenty of model pics up to view. Suffice to say she is very pretty but I think would likely be a bit high maintenance for me. I think I probably need a girl who is near model like but not quite there in some way(s). My guess is with this girl is that she is nearing her sale by date so far as the modelling industry is concerned and will soon be put out to stud. If she doesn't do anything then a bit too comfortable future in Chișinău beckons so hence why she is likely on there either that or she's just looking for validation. Looks like after a little back and forth the conversation might be fizzling out a bit now but like said I reckon she possibly might be after a richer guy than I.

TC, you are putting entirely too much thought too early on into analysing these women and situations and, more importantly, coming up with self defeating conclusions.

All little girls want to marry Princes, but the only important aspect with a lady in whom you have interest, in the beginning, is her attraction level to your presence, to you.

You are putting her up on a pedastal when it should be the other way around.

[Trenchcoat]

TC, you are putting entirely too much thought too early on into analysing these women and situations and, more importantly, coming up with self defeating conclusions.

All little girls want to marry Princes, but the only important aspect with a lady in whom you have interest, in the beginning, is her attraction level to your presence, to you.

You are putting her up on a pedastal when it should be the other way around.

Yeah I get what you're saying, she's a person like anyone else whatever her looks and day job. I've been keeping it fairly grounded and not get too into the modelling stuff. Kind of just talking about the basics at the moment. It's not that I was aiming for a model as for sure I kind of know what you mean you can over analyse, pre analyse and build up judgements before meeting and getting to know the girl. So trying not to get too off on her looks at the moment which I kind of find easier than when I was younger I think as seen a lot of it before. When I was younger I think I was probably so in awe of the pretty girls that it kind of blinded me from the most important thing of getting to know the girl as everything else is kind of a smoke screen.

[Trenchcoat]

I found myself in a similar situation back in January. A little bit of detective work showed she was making money from sex web cams, Only Fans and PPL chats. Nice woman and the nudes she sent me showed why she got work as a model in her twenties, but really she is just on the internet to chat.

I moved on to a 31 year old woman from Kyiv who I hope to meet in Krakow in January. She's planning on taking the train via Lviv. First time I've communicated with a woman with a kid. He's 1 year old who's father left when his mum was 6 weeks pregnant. A young toddler is much more preferable for me than an 11 year old with attitude who wants to see their father.

Something tells me she probably isn't that type though I wouldn't know for sure. It's mostly pretty girl modelling pics than anything real raunchy. She could delve into that I guess but it's too early on to bother myself with any of that. Well was surprised as she messaged me back this evening, not sure if it will go much longer it's really down to her on that one. It's the world of Tinder so particularly in the early stages it can just petter out as and when so will just see how it goes I guess. A girl with kids is always a bit of a bind really for me as to me it kind of feels like I was the second choice just taken on to clean up after some other guys sex life. That for me isn't how I value myself.

[LAman]

Funny you say that LAman but just as I was about to go looking for a good blow up doll I actually got a response back on Tinder lol. Girl replied, about 30 years old from Chisinau. She's a model and got plenty of model pics up to view. Suffice to say she is very pretty but I think would likely be a bit high maintenance for me. I think I probably need a girl who is near model like but not quite there in some way(s). My guess is with this girl is that she is nearing her sale by date so far as the modelling industry is concerned and will soon be put out to stud. If she doesn't do anything then a bit too comfortable future in Chișinău beckons so hence why she is likely on there either that or she's just looking for validation. Looks like after a little back and forth the conversation might be fizzling out a bit now but like said I reckon she possibly might be after a richer guy than I.

Tinder is mainly a 'hook up' site. So doesn't take much thinking as to what this Moldovian is looking for.
So while you are in Chisinau at your apt, your choice spending your days on RWD or out spending $$ with a model looking chick because that would be the only reason she'll be with you. Not rocket scientist thinking.


BTW What weekend are you planning to be in Chisinau ? Chisinau Day is I think on 14th. Lots of people walking up and down Stefan Cel Mare to Cathedral park... very festive

[Trenchcoat]

Tinder is mainly a 'hook up' site. So doesn't take much thinking as to what this Moldovian is looking for.
So while you are in Chisinau at your apt, your choice spending your days on RWD or out spending $$ with a model looking chick because that would be the only reason she'll be with you. Not rocket scientist thinking.


BTW What weekend are you planning to be in Chisinau ? Chisinau Day is I think on 14th. Lots of people walking up and down Stefan Cel Mare to Cathedral park... very festive

Recalling back a couple of years or so I think some found that in the FSU it wasn't as much a hook up situation as over here with Tinder. I don't know about now though, it still gives me the hook up vibe very much so. However with this girl she seems pretty serious so far, generally FSW aren't players so much as they tend to be after serious relationships. That's not to say it's always straight up of course but so far no red flags going up on this one.

Why she would be with me? I think I would only find out that along the way, it might be ££ but she hasn't given me that impression to date so I'm not going to worry about that. Could be that maybe she just wants someone to be with who suits her. Maybe me or maybe someone else, I'm not sure if the communication will last, odds are she is talking to other guys and girls can have their preference.

A lot of her modelling work seems to have been abroad and I'm not sure how much she is doing now. Possibly she doesn't do as much now and by her early 30s work might start getting harder to come by. She's probably earned well enough while doing it but that money won't last forever of course as unless a supermodel I get the impression the earnings are more mundane. So she probably doesn't want to end up working in McDonald's and may be looking for a guy who can provide would be my thoughts at present perhaps.

Thanks for letting me know if the Chișinău Day, I was unaware of that. I think I'll pass on that one though, it's a national holiday so the place will be packed and make it difficult getting to know her if all the restaurants are packed out etc. Also it's a bit of a religious holiday apparently so me not being religious/of the religion won't help. Possibly an outside chance of a risk of terrorist activity on such a day as well maybe. I'll go to Chișinău soon if it pans out communicating with her but at the moment I'm unsure of whether or not she will keep communication going but we'll see I guess.

[Daveman]

Be careful not to get hung up on the one lady. She's a pen/voice/video pal and nothing more at this time.  She may be a vaporgirl, she may be anything. No neeto be overly paranoid. Just pay attention and if something seems or feels off then it probably is.

Were I planning a trip to Maldova, I'd be commuicating with as many ladies as I could find or manage. This one may not be one of your favorites much less top favorite by the time you go.

Recalling back a couple of years or so I think some found that in the FSU it wasn't as much a hook up situation as over here with Tinder. I don't know about now though, it still gives me the hook up vibe very much so. However with this girl she seems pretty serious so far, generally FSW aren't players so much as they tend to be after serious relationships. That's not to say it's always straight up of course but so far no red flags going up on this one.

Why she would be with me? I think I would only find out that along the way, it might be ££ but she hasn't given me that impression to date so I'm not going to worry about that. Could be that maybe she just wants someone to be with who suits her. Maybe me or maybe someone else, I'm not sure if the communication will last, odds are she is talking to other guys and girls can have their preference.

A lot of her modelling work seems to have been abroad and I'm not sure how much she is doing now. Possibly she doesn't do as much now and by her early 30s work might start getting harder to come by. She's probably earned well enough while doing it but that money won't last forever of course as unless a supermodel I get the impression the earnings are more mundane. So she probably doesn't want to end up working in McDonald's and may be looking for a guy who can provide would be my thoughts at present perhaps.

Thanks for letting me know if the Chișinău Day, I was unaware of that. I think I'll pass on that one though, it's a national holiday so the place will be packed and make it difficult getting to know her if all the restaurants are packed out etc. Also it's a bit of a religious holiday apparently so me not being religious/of the religion won't help. Possibly an outside chance of a risk of terrorist activity on such a day as well maybe. I'll go to Chișinău soon if it pans out communicating with her but at the moment I'm unsure of whether or not she will keep communication going but we'll see I guess.

[Trenchcoat]

Be careful not to get hung up on the one lady. She's a pen/voice/video pal and nothing more at this time.  She may be a vaporgirl, she may be anything. No neeto be overly paranoid. Just pay attention and if something seems or feels off then it probably is.

Were I planning a trip to Maldova, I'd be commuicating with as many ladies as I could find or manage. This one may not be one of your favorites much less top favorite by the time you go.

Too true Daveman, you're right I need to search around a bit. Best thing in terms of a WMVO (which may turn into a VM) is to get one with a bit off what you could call stickiness. It generally can be seen in communication how sticky a girl is to you, her responses and length of responses, sometimes her time responding. I get the impression this one is legit and has a small amount of stickiness but not necessarily that high. That can be determined more as any messaging goes forward or not much at all if the girl isn't that interested at all I've found in the past.

Still more to do in terms of putting myself across better, after a few girls it can help hone that I think. I kind of found I was a bit out of practice at the beginning starting off. Last weekend as I've not been bothering much since the virus hit as little point other than a load of girls asking for money and not being able to travel. So now it looks like it is becoming possible for the moment at least to travel so worth a crack at it now I think. I started off a bit early in terms of being able to visit probably around the end of the month so that's ok, no need to worry too much as I like to be able to move to visit a girl without showing too much hesitation so a not getting a sure thing straight away isn't too much of a problem.

[Daveman]

I also think GQ's method was/is absolutely sound. His was a meet some in person and then go back for a visit with one if he clicked with any. That's the jist but I may be a little off. He mentioned it years ago and at the time I thought it was a hell of a good idea. I wouldn't have thought of that.

I can't remember whether he was already going to be there for another reason or made a specific meet trip. Either way, it's an excellent idea as well as successful for him.

[ML]

Were I planning a trip to Maldova, I'd be commuicating with as many ladies as I could find or manage. This one may not be one of your favorites much less top favorite by the time you go.

Well I don't know where Maldova is . . . but if I were going there I would certainly follow Dave's advice.

[Daveman]

Well I don't know where Maldova is . . . but if I were going there I would certainly follow Dave's advice.

 Hah! I'll never win a spelling bee. I think it's Maul dova.  Maul, mold.. Something of an insidious nature anyway.

[Trenchcoat]

I also think GQ's method was/is absolutely sound. His was a meet some in person and then go back for a visit with one if he clicked with any. That's the jist but I may be a little off. He mentioned it years ago and at the time I thought it was a hell of a good idea. I wouldn't have thought of that.

I can't remember whether he was already going to be there for another reason or made a specific meet trip. Either way, it's an excellent idea as well as successful for him.

That was my original plan for this trip it's not a bad one as such but I didn't like the potential pitfalls of taking a shine to one girl then deciding whether to go on and meet the others. That and the whole thing of a girl asking whether you are meeting other guys. I know some guys can talk well in such a situation BillyB I think was one, me I think would have trouble carrying off a good reply convincingly. I think even with a good reply done convincingly it will depend on the girl, the circumstances and she might still be cheesed off under the surface. On top of that is the off chance that a girl you like might see you with another girl wining and dining her and it mess things up with her.

So all in all I decided to switch to the method 2tallbill advocates, to choose to meet one that I'm very keen on meeting then go meet just that one, in the first instance. If the question comes up about meeting other girls then I can say honestly no - at least not if we hit it off plus if we hit it off I would be spending my whole time with that girl. In which case she would likely know it is just her I am visiting anyway. If there is no chemistry with the girl then I can end things early and pull up some other girls to date. I'm pretty sure I can get some impromptu meets over the weekend. If I have one or two I've messaged prior then that can help speed things along.

I think I have a certain type of girl in general and there tends to be only so many of them so no need to bother with a lot of girls that I don't think probably won't hit the mark in the first place, though of course I could be wrong.