FSB says 261,000 military age men have fled Russia since mobilisation .

[Chelseaboy]

This comes from independent news outlet "Novaya Gazeta .Europe."

[Hammer2722]

Makes sense. Putin called for 300k mobilization. These guys are replying, "I thought the muster was happening outside Russia! Our mistake!" LOL

[ML]

From my wife:

She hears that the mobilization order specifically calls for most of the troops to come from 'minority' populations within Russian Federation.  She noted which they were, but I don't remember such.

Anyway, a two edged sword.

1) The goal seems to be to send those folks (non-Slavic ?) to be slaughtered which reduces the population of such and at same time minimizing the protests in Russia proper as their men not being killed as much.

2) But it risks further uprisings in the areas where those folks come from and calls from those areas to break free from Russian Federation.

[2tallbill]

From my wife:

She hears that the mobilization order specifically calls for most of the troops to come from 'minority' populations within Russian Federation.

I whould think they will mobilize those that have already been in the military
rather than brand new conscripts.

[Trenchcoat]

Apparently as I thought they are going to conscript men in the Kherson and Mariupol regions. The report I read said between 18-35 though I guess they will probably end up with whoever they wish. So it will be Ukrainian people conscripted by Russia to be used as cannon fodder against their own Ukrainian forces, which sounds perculiar but what can you say.

[BC]

From my wife:

She hears that the mobilization order specifically calls for most of the troops to come from 'minority' populations within Russian Federation.  She noted which they were, but I don't remember such.

Anyway, a two edged sword.

1) The goal seems to be to send those folks (non-Slavic ?) to be slaughtered which reduces the population of such and at same time minimizing the protests in Russia proper as their men not being killed as much.

2) But it risks further uprisings in the areas where those folks come from and calls from those areas to break free from Russian Federation.

Maybe Dagestan?

Dagestan is a mainly Muslim region of Russia with a higher death toll than any other province in the war.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63028586

[Chelseaboy]

Apparently up to 700,000 Russians have now fled the country since mobilisation was announced.


Russian TV is now starting to ask serious questions.


"We have a 2 million strong Army...so where are they ? "


"Why are we having to mobilise 300,000 men out of our economy ? "


I'm guessing there's a lot of higher-ups in their military who've been receiving the wages of a LOT of phantom soldiers.


It's Russia...we know how it works there.

[2tallbill]

Apparently as I thought they are going to conscript men in the Kherson and Mariupol regions. The report I read said between 18-35 though I guess they will probably end up with whoever they wish. So it will be Ukrainian people conscripted by Russia to be used as cannon fodder against their own Ukrainian forces, which sounds peculiar but what can you say.

That's a pretty dangerous method of conscription. The guns they give the conscriptee's
can be turned around and be pointed at the conscriptor's if they are told to invade 
the wrong place.

Sadam Insane did that but he would first capture their entire family and throw them
in jail, then if the reports came back that they didn't fight hard enough the family
would be executed (or so the story went).

[Trenchcoat]

That's a pretty dangerous method of conscription. The guns they give the conscriptee's
can be turned around and be pointed at the conscriptor's if they are told to invade 
the wrong place.

Sadam Insane did that but he would first capture their entire family and throw them
in jail, then if the reports came back that they didn't fight hard enough the family
would be executed (or so the story went).

I recall at the start of the Invasion the Russians in Donetsk conscripted all of the men they apparently put loads of their families in coaches and transported them to places in Russia for their 'safety'. Seemed they did so whether they liked it or not. The working assumption here was that those conscripted would be unfortunate cannon fodder. Photos of them at conscription stations showed them not looking very happy as you can imagine. My guess is with Russian troop losses and casualties they may have unfortunately already have had it, most likely not so willing cannon fodder in Putler's war. I am indeed grateful that I am not living in that part of the world in their shoes.

Here's a good article on it from a few weeks ago, not bad but who knows what's going on now:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/27/conscription-fears-young-ukrainian-men-stopped-leaving-occupied-areas-russian-soldiers-crossing-point


The Japanese Times gives a few more snippets of info:

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2022/09/26/world/ukraine-forces-referendum/

[ML]

Russians fleeing their country are not against the war in Ukraine, not against killing Ukrainians, nor against the elimination of Ukraine as a country.

They just don't want to be the ones killed trying to achieve these goals.

They can be a dangerous force within host countries by working to undermine support for Ukraine.

Thanks to Boe for the following references.

http://www.politico.eu/article/russia-revanchism-deeper-vladimir-putin-war-ukraine/

http://www.levada.ru/en/2022/10/07/conflict-with-ukraine-september-2022/

http://snyder.substack.com/p/as-ukraine-goes-so-goes-the-world?r=1nzldk&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post#details

[Chelseaboy]

I cannot imagine why other countries have allowed so many Russian men to flee to their countries.


Finland has applied to join NATO yet they allowed 60,000 Russians,primarily men,  to transfer their scumbag ways into their country in those cowards dash to avoid mobilisation.


Talk about letting the Foxes into your Chicken coop.


I'm just glad we're no longer in the EU,so they can't get here through that route.

[Trenchcoat]

I cannot imagine why other countries have allowed so many Russian men to flee to their countries.


Finland has applied to join NATO yet they allowed 60,000 Russians,primarily men,  to transfer their scumbag ways into their country in those cowards dash to avoid mobilisation.


Talk about letting the Foxes into your Chicken coop.


I'm just glad we're no longer in the EU,so they can't get here through that route.

Exactly me too! Have been thinking the same that if we were still in the EU we would have them descending on our country without any choice. So it's a real bonus to know that they can't now do that, just out of the EU in the nick of time. Just think of what our housing situation would be like if we were still in the EU, likely way worse than it currently is with people sleeping on the streets and dosing down wherever they could inside come winter.

I agree with ML also that these Russians are just trying to save their own arses. They know that their government sees no worth in them other than as cannon fodder. I don't blame them wanting to save their own arse it can be a natural reaction but I don't see that European countries should accept taking them in, they should be looking out for their own citizens first and foremost. They should really be closing their border to them.

[Trenchcoat]

Looks like Russia is conscripting/readying to conscript Ukrainians in the newly conquered territories:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-forced-conscription-ukrainians-russia-annexation/

Apparently some are being grabbed at work or even off the street. In Kherson a census was recently carried out the news article tells us forming a list of all men 18+. Looks like they will certainly be put up for cannon fodder, all that aren't of necessary worth in the job they do of course which won't be many. Generally likely used just to use up Ukrainian for es ammo in a genocide set up.

That said even Russia seem to care little for their own men, reports of Russian men drafted from far & wide and sent to the front after just a day's training and having fired one bullet. One news article I read the guy was sent to the front the day after and was killed the very next day leaving two young children and a wife behind. She apparently hasn't and won't get any help from the government other than the meagre standard for a single mother now.

It seems Putler is causing distressing situations for many all around both Ukrainian and even his own citizens. Pointless waste of life really I don't think it will give Russia the victory it's looking for.

[ML]

That said even Russia seem to care little for their own men, reports of Russian men drafted from far & wide and sent to the front after just a day's training and having fired one bullet. One news article I read the guy was sent to the front the day after and was killed the very next day leaving two young children and a wife behind. She apparently hasn't and won't get any help from the government other than the meagre standard for a single mother now.

It seems Putler is causing distressing situations for many all around both Ukrainian and even his own citizens. Pointless waste of life really I don't think it will give Russia the victory it's looking for.

But still most of these men drafted and killed come from small villages or remote cities.  Their deaths won't make much news in the major Russian cities, hence there will only be limited outrage and protesting.
And, if they are mostly non-ethnic Russians, people will care even less.
Smart moves by Putin.

[Trenchcoat]

But still most of these men drafted and killed come from small villages or remote cities.  Their deaths won't make much news in the major Russian cities, hence there will only be limited outrage and protesting.
And, if they are mostly non-ethnic Russians, people will care even less.
Smart moves by Putin.

Yeah think they tended to be non-ethnic Russians more and like you say from remote places.

Here the article on such:

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/10/18/anger-mounts-as-russian-draftees-thrown-into-battle-without-training-equipment-a79120

And another one:

http://www.rferl.org/a/russia-chaotic-mobilization-deaths/32088532.html