For added flavor

[2tallbill]

The Lurkers are killing the forum. They don't log on, ask questions or try to get feedback.
As a result the only posts are a few political skirmishes.

I was thinking of the olden days when guys like me went across the FSU on the land bridge
between Alaska and Russia. I remember back in those days reading about smooth operator,
second rate muthas and about Winston Wu, a joker who traveled to the FSU, claimed to be
rich, rented a limo and got a few women to toss their knickers aside. A few Russian guys
figured it out, Winston recieved some bumps and bruises, later he flew off to the Philippines
go some girl to marry him and is currently sponging off her.

Does anyone have a link to a thread about either Smooth or Winston?
I thought that I would bump them up the rotation.

Udachi!

Bill

[krimster2]

I remember Wu!
him make me laugh long time!!!!

BEEL,
there's a war goin on in ukraine/russia, and a lot of "bad negative vibes" goin on in Russia = big reduction in travelers
for example, Sevastopol once a super popular tourist spot, now has continuous drone and missile attacks
sheeet dawg, ain't even any Russians doin "vaycays" in Russia nowadays, cuz they ain't got NO MONEY!

other portions of the FSU are much less popular, draw less vistors
hence a big reduction in the numer of pilgrims seeking salvation in the FSU "holy land"
leading to a big reduction in those seeking scripture regarding previous tales of wonder and miracles from past pilgrims

 

[TwoBitBandit]

Winston is still alive and kicking.  He's running his own site called "happier abroad" which includes its own forum.  I don't follow it at all, I'm just aware that it exists.


http://www.happierabroad.com/forum/index.php

[Trenchcoat]

The Lurkers are killing the forum. They don't log on, ask questions or try to get feedback.
As a result the only posts are a few political skirmishes.

I was thinking of the olden days when guys like me went across the FSU on the land bridge
between Alaska and Russia. I remember back in those days reading about smooth operator,
second rate muthas and about Winston Wu, a joker who traveled to the FSU, claimed to be
rich, rented a limo and got a few women to toss their knickers aside. A few Russian guys
figured it out, Winston recieved some bumps and bruises, later he flew off to the Philippines
go some girl to marry him and is currently sponging off her.

Does anyone have a link to a thread about either Smooth or Winston?
I thought that I would bump them up the rotation.

Udachi!

Bill

I totally agree, though I am not convinced that the 'number if guests' over to the side is ever real or computerised bs. Perhaps we should have a thread entitled, 'Stand up and be counted' where all these supposed guests can stand up, come forth and be counted

I have a strong suspicion it may be computerised bs.

After all US politics is such a hot topic in the US right now and to a lesser extent globally that if they were real they must be some amongst them who must have political diarrhoea they are just bursting to let out.

I personally believe this forum is now little visited by anyone. Sure in theory there is a need for dating abroad but people just don't seem to do it as much nowadays. Even if they are depressingly single they don't do it. Possibly some people are more happily single these days I don't know. If you can form a life with stuff going on in it to keep your mind happily busy enough maybe that works for some.

One single guy I know from work told me that he's given up on dating local women because they are just so strange. He's a normally happy communicative guy who seems reasonable enough socially and can deal well with many people, he's in his thirties. I didn't enquire further into what 'strange' is exactly but I know the dating situation over here and in the West is bad enough to make dating in the West unviable for many people even the better adjusted for western dating.

Anyway, he seems happy enough, comes into work chirpy most days, has friends he hangs out with after work. I've never brought up the idea of dating abroad to him, my impression is he is happy as he is and possibly wouldn't be interested. Possibly he has just had enough of dating to not want to know and is happy with his life the way he can have it as he likes. He says he just can't do with the hassle of dating women. I can only assume he is not gay in some way though I could be wrong possibly.

So I don't know, the world is as it is. The whole FSU dating thing kicked off shortly after the fall of the USSR when those countries opened up to the West and it became new and exciting frontier to venture into. Now that has been done, it's still potentially an exciting area to venture into but with added danger & risks.

We've gone through why people aren't willing to venture abroad as much for love of recent on this board of course. Potentially some people still do it would be open to it but forums aren't the place people wish to come like they were in the past.

I'm going to throw out this one for bait to discuss - I think potentially that forums are seen nowadays as too heavy going fuddy duddy areas for people to want to venture.

It would be interesting to have a survey of what people feel about forums in general and if they use them. I think in general though most don't venture to forums these days, that they are just seen as for those that favour a heavy read, a certain type of person, a bit like those that like to discuss politics. I think in general those that come here are probably on the more intellectual end of society and a minority. Most here whether you agree or disagree with them or think they are a complete dufus are probably very particular intellectual types and personalities. Take Krim for example, a guy with high functioning autism who is vastly wealthy and could be seen as eccentric. Beel you come across as more everyday all American guy on here, wealthy enough but more regular job. I think though that you probably have some sort of quirk in you, a kind of hidden intellectualism, you spent a huge amount of time learning Russian on Pimsleur, few others could match such without suffering from an intense feeling of boredom and giving up after a few short tracks. You regularly tell Newbies (when they used to come here) that they should read widely in here, but to be honest few if any wish to, I didn't wish to when I came on here. Sure many gold nuggets of info out there but too many topics to read through for someone wanting to jump in, in the next few days, weeks, even months.

That essentially marks what I think the problem might actually be that while present talk can be good a lot of Newbies that used to come here didn't stick around long after their first post or drifted off after a while. Success at this isn't necessarily easy and people out there don't want to put the time input in, they move off onto other things to occupy their mind. Obe minute FSU Dating, they see no quick easy win/communicate with a FSW and it goes downhill and then they slide off into the exciting hobby of go kart racing, trekking abroad, becoming a fiction book writer, hand gliding, etc and forget the world if FSU Dating ever existed, its quickly become boring to them and there are like hundreds even thousands of other more instantly gratifying things to do.

Those that find Forums just too heavy going stay away, they have their view ingrained in their brain and don't wish to cause their brains distress but entertaining such notions as even thinking about Forums far less than going  on one.

[Trenchcoat]

To summarise: In general think most people probably find forums too complex these days and not their bag. A few people may be more willing to do more simplified forum or on specific stuff like a DIY issue but most of those people look on previous answers to similar/same DIY issues. Forums are probably a bit of a specific acquired taste like Space Sci-Fi. You can try to jazz & simplify say Space Sci-fi up but its still going to end up as those that are into it enough to want to watch and the many that it does not appeal too/find it too geeky, odd, etc. and want to go out and socialise, live it up, extrovert stuff, etc.

Sure there used to be much greater footfall here in the past but that was when forums, the internet, FSU dating were in its younger days. Now other newer stuff has taken over and at least for the time being this stuff is no longer the new in thing, perhaps it will come back more later who knows in a new reformed version driven by new factors who knows, will just have to see.

[2tallbill]

To summarise: In general think most people probably find forums too complex these days and not their bag.
Now other newer stuff has taken over and at least for the time being this stuff is no longer the new in thing,
perhaps it will come back more later who knows in a new reformed version driven by new factors who knows,
will just have to see.

+95% of the members here are divorced men. Looking around for something better.
FSUW has always been the best of all the "Something betters" out there.

FSUW are also one of the most difficult to navigate, they have an industry specifically designed to
fleece you and to cater to the Keyboard Romeos which makes up the vast majority of the divorced
men.

Most men look at FSUW from afar as some sort of unobtainable fantasy, and for most men they are an
unobtainable fantasy.

There are also a wide variety of competitors out there
1. Asians of many types 
2. Central/South Americans

Most men are lazy and travel the road of least resistance.

[krimster2]

not surprisingly, subscriptions to "Horse and Carraige" monthly magazine
steeply declined, after the appearance of the Ford Model A

time changex everything
you either adapt or die

the board is dying or is maybe already dead
it sure ain't breathin

because of external factors

the glyphs for the Chinese word "crisis" is danger and opportunity

anybody lookin for opportunities?

fer you Trench, the danger in ukraine is YUR personal opportunity for redemption that could change the entire trajectory of yur life
but yur not exactly a man of action
cuz yur addicted to yur Mum's Welsh Puddin,
I can just see ya smackin yur lips, "hmmmm, that's LOVELY Mum"
while sippin on a cuppa Earl Grey, with yur little pinky finger stickin out

don't complain
instead, help ole Danny boy find the opportunity

Oh Danny Boy, the pipes, the pipes are call-ing...

BEEL, accordin to the statistics this board haz, 1/4 of it's visitors are Turks
I've seen LOTS of Turkish sex tourists in Ukraine, easy to spot, and 90% of Ukrainian wimmin detest them
the other 10% will swap sex for "gifts"from them", but them thar turks are even stingier than Russians

OTOH, I've seen young American white boys make Ukrainian wimmin swoon
I saw 2 young American guys, shutdown a McDonald's when they walked in, wimmin were enthralled, men were pissed

slavic men, have a certain appearance
you Anglo Saxons look different
and that difference causes Ukrainian wimmin's ovaries to vibrate
OH NO, it's true, you can even hear it, it's like a cat purring
it's why they call a vagina a pussy, I ain't bein crude, just explainin the etymology of the slang

[2tallbill]

anybody lookin for opportunities?

fer you Trench, the danger in ukraine is YUR personal opportunity that could change the entire trajectory of yur life

The vast majority of men would not travel to Ukraine during current times but they should understand
that fortune favors the bold. Trench doesn't plan 4 day trips because he can only afford lodging for 3.

Apartments in Lviv are $18-24 per night.

For those too worried about Ukraine you can travel to Moldova, Belarus or the Stans, nobody else is.
You can pursue the women without needing to worry about some other Western man of stealing her
from you.

[ML]

FSUW has always been the best of all the "Something betters" out there.

There are also a wide variety of competitors out there
1. Asians of many types 
2. Central/South Americans

Most men are lazy and travel the road of least resistance.

I chose to go the FSUW route (rather than the other 2) because:

1) I wanted the largest selection of women 5' 6" to 5' 10".
2) I wanted blonde . . . although that was not a game killer.
3) I wanted highest level of education.
4) I didn't want to have to take in or support dozens of relatives.
5) I wanted to try to avoid those who were prone to pork up.
6) I wanted those whose culture and thought process was closest to northern/western.
7) I wanted accents that were not irritating to hear or difficult to understand.

Sure there is a possiblity of finding 1-7 with some Asian and Central/South Americans.  But being a logical analytical type . . . I deal in probablities, not possibilities.  No lottery strategies for me.

Note: I would have taken a really tall, slender, light skinned, MD from the Philipines with no living relatives . . . if one were to be dropped in my lap.

Filipina women are really quite pleasant to romance and be around.

But I was not so foolish as to search for such . . . the probability factor.

[ML]

In general think most people probably find forums too complex these days and not their bag.

Sure there used to be much greater action here in the past but that was when forums, the internet, FSU dating were in its younger days. Now other newer stuff has taken over and at least for the time being this stuff is no longer the new in thing, perhaps it will come back more later who knows in a new reformed version driven by new factors who knows, will just have to see.

I hypothesize three (of possibly many more) of the reasons why activity on this forum has declined.

1) Covid really cut down on the desire to travel anywhere.
2) Russian terrorist invasion of Ukraine stopped 'almost' all intention to travel to those two countries.
3) Fewer and fewer folks can even write complete sentences or articulate logical thinking in words.

Look at the other outlets X and Facebook.  There you will find one line posts that are mostly incomprehensible or just trash talk . . . or just respond with the silly 'Like.'

But those who fall into number three above find a comfortable home there.

And let me add a number 4 . . . which I have very little actual knowledge of.  Perhaps there have been enough stories written over the past 30 years or so about high failure rate of marriages between WM and FSUW.

Sure, the failure rate might be about on same level as failure rates between WM and WW.

But, if men are faced with same failure rates . . . best to just fail with a WW and avoid all the extra costs of setting up a marriage with FSUW.

[ML]

The vast majority of men would not travel to Ukraine during current times but they should understand

For those too worried about Ukraine you can travel to Moldova, Belarus or the Stans, nobody else is.

You can pursue the women without needing to worry about some other Western man of stealing her from you.

Concerning worry that another WM would steal your chosen woman.

Two scenarios: 

1) Steal her within her own country.
2) Steal her after you have brought her to your country.

As I think about it, interesting (to me at least) that I never gave a single thought to number 1.  I guess this was because there was such a plethora of good wife material that there was plenty to go around.

I did think about number 2 somewhat, but my selection process greatly mitigated this risk.

The mitigation was because:

A) I spent zero effort in pursuing a 9 or 10 below the age of 35.   

B) I quickly weeded out any that seemed very interested in financial factors, or talked about how desirable they were, noted how many men were pursuing them, how lucky I was to be with them, etc.

C) Quickly weeded out were those that seemed to be only superficially interested in me during first meeting.  Painful to get such feelings, but good that it occurs quickly.

Hard to give a pass on a hot chick (and there are many such over age 35) in categories A, B, and C; but you just have to do it.

[krimster2]

Krimster sez, "YOU chasing after wimmin is fun, but having wimmin chase after YOU is twice as fun"
Krimster likes fun, cookies and playin the kazoo
what do you like? will you be my friend?  here's a cookie! now will ya be my friend?

[2tallbill]

Two scenarios: 

1) Steal her within her own country.
2) Steal her after you have brought her to your country.

3) Wrote letters while 2tallbill got on a plane to jump the girl. The first girl I met in Odessa had another
guy writing her, he wrote a trip report at the old dead forum.


I know a cyber pal who wrote letters while a guy from the forums (from Kansas) who was overweight,
was socially at a C minus level (at best) but he got on a plane and rode the girl harder than a rented mule.
The girl is now married to the Kansas guy. The cyber pal dithered and missed out.

[2tallbill]

I chose to go the FSUW route (rather than the other 2) because:

1) I wanted the largest selection of women 5' 6" to 5' 10".
2) I wanted blonde . . . although that was not a game killer.
3) I wanted highest level of education.
4) I didn't want to have to take in or support dozens of relatives.
5) I wanted to try to avoid those who were prone to pork up.
6) I wanted those whose culture and thought process was closest to northern/western.
7) I wanted accents that were not irritating to hear or difficult to understand.

Sure there is a possiblity of finding 1-7 with some Asian and Central/South Americans.  But being a logical analytical type . . . I deal in probablities, not possibilities.  No lottery strategies for me.

Note: I would have taken a really tall, slender, light skinned, MD from the Philipines with no living relatives . . . if one were to be dropped in my lap.

Filipina women are really quite pleasant to romance and be around.

But I was not so foolish as to search for such . . . the probability factor.

Your list is almost exactly my list.
I am too tall to "fit" shorties. 6-7 (201cm) 5-5 (165 cm) and less
is too short. 
I have a strong preference to gray, green, blue eyes.
A shorty is never going to tangle/wrap you up with her legs.

I never thought that a big butt looked good. It looks like someone put
cottage cheese under their skin.

Ditto on the accent and education.

[Trenchcoat]

Concerning worry that another WM would steal your chosen woman.

Two scenarios: 

1) Steal her within her own country.
2) Steal her after you have brought her to your country.

As I think about it, interesting (to me at least) that I never gave a single thought to number 1.  I guess this was because there was such a plethora of good wife material that there was plenty to go around.

I did think about number 2 somewhat, but my selection process greatly mitigated this risk.

The mitigation was because:

A) I spent zero effort in pursuing a 9 or 10 below the age of 35.   

B) I quickly weeded out any that seemed very interested in financial factors, or talked about how desirable they were, noted how many men were pursuing them, how lucky I was to be with them, etc.

C) Quickly weeded out were those that seemed to be only superficially interested in me during first meeting.  Painful to get such feelings, but good that it occurs quickly.

Hard to give a pass on a hot chick (and there are many such over age 35) in categories A, B, and C; but you just have to do it.

In theory a woman could play away wherever. In her country a WM's wealth & passport is likely to make him among one of the best men locally in the FSU in terms of being able to provide. That's not to say the man wants a woman who is just concerned with having a good provider, love is hoped for. I think the main deal is to be a man that is desirable enough in whichever way to be able to not feel a woman going off with someone else is the best all and end all. That you have it together enough to still be able to carve out a life for yourself on your own or with another women, be able to attract another woman, go off and have fun, etc.

Better to be able to be like that than being with someone who would prefer to be with someone else.

In the West things aren't necessarily as bad as some might think of other WM being attracted to your woman, sure it can happen but their are issues that can make it less of an issue than might be first thought:

1). Some local men are against dating any foreign women, either it's remote in their mind or they are against dating foreign women as they are prejudiced against them.

2). The cultural & societal differences and groups people move in can be a barrier to foreign women. After all it's not like anyone just rocks up in another country and immediately gets in on the social scene of that country without difficulty.

Probably other stuff but that's what comes to mind straight off the bat.

[krimster2]

life is a minefield
some folks get blown up
and some folks become too afraid to move
and some folks get metal detectors and walk around em
which one are you?

[Trenchcoat]

life is a minefield
some folks get blown up
and some folks become too afraid to move
and some folks get metal detectors and walk around em
which one are you?

That's very true Krim.

A lot depends on circumstance and how someone handles themselves.

Some people indeed prefer to avoid the game altogether and live a quiet life, probably somewhat solitary and stay in the circumstance they grew up with, are content enough with or fear a worse circumstance and choose to continue as they are or see little other way.

Others take a chance to try and improve their life and either do so or end up worse off. Some tales of woe are enough for other folks to chose to avoid the game altogether or as best they can.

For example, Scott in Crimea it is probably fair to say got blown up. Possibly he just chose the wrong woman, the wrong woman just happened to come up, or he played his hand badly and should have stayed in Crimea.

How many mistakes with the right or wrong enough woman makes for a step on mine situation?

How many good choices with a wrong enough woman makes a step on mine situation avoided and turn it into a good situation?


I get the impression it can vary sometimes just one bad choice might screw something up, sometimes perhaps many little bad choices.

Even a smart guy may just need to make one bad enough mistake among all right the right choices he makes and get blown up 🤔

[krimster2]

if you've think I've never stopped on a mine, you're quite wrong
but, after doin that more than a few times
something "clicked" in my brain

and I saw that I was really a fool for walkin in a minefield
smart people learn how to walk around the mine fields, i've learned a lot about how to do that

you get blown up, don't blame the mine layer
blame yurself for not paying attention to the signs with a skull and cross-bones that say "Danger Mines" and choosin another direction

Scott was a classic example of a fool who thought he was smart
and ignored my warning to him about the minefield he was steppin in, he even called me some names for doubting his superior intelligence
right before he was blown sky high, EXACTLY as I warned him

I sincerely do, at least at first, try to help you white boyz
but once I see the mental deficiency in you, I can't help but point it out to you
which generally makes you white boyz mad
cuz yur so insecure about yourselves

[krimster2]

so Trench me lad,

though all the world may betray thee
yur fate is not defined by the actions of others
but soley by your own

due to my Anglo-phillic devotion, as a courtesey, I have provided you the pieces to yur life's puzzle
you must assemble those pieces together yurself
you could be "the mouse who roared"
or you can just be a mouse, that choice is yurs

what sayeth you, O' my brother, and only friend...?
what dost thou, in thiy mind haveth?
where for art though?

I feel what I would call, "a disturbance in the force"

[2tallbill]

1.Some people indeed prefer to avoid the game altogether and live a quiet life, probably somewhat solitary and stay in the circumstance they grew up with, 2.are content enough with or fear a worse circumstance and choose to continue as they are or see little other way.

3.Others take a chance to try and improve their life and either do so 4. or end up worse off. Some tales of woe are enough for other folks to chose to 5. avoid the game altogether 6.or as best they can.

For example, Scott in Crimea it is probably fair to say got blown up. 7. Possibly he just chose the wrong woman, 8. the wrong woman just happened to come up, or 9. he played his hand badly and should have stayed in Crimea.

10. How many mistakes with the right or 11. wrong enough woman makes for a step on mine situation?

How many good choices with a 12. wrong enough woman makes a step on mine situation avoided and turn it into a good situation?


I get the impression it can 14. vary sometimes just one bad choice might screw something up, 15. sometimes perhaps many little bad choices.

16. Even a smart guy may just need to make one bad enough mistake among all right the right choices he makes and get blown up 🤔

Rather than bounce around aimlessly like a feather in a storm (16 alternative views in one post) Come up with a plan
of action with a time and a date then execute it. Remember when you told me, that I might not know what I'm talking
about because it took me 9 years to find my Angel Eyes? There is nearly zero chance that you do this faster than I did.
You have been second guessing everyone on every post for at least 8 years now.

 

[Trenchcoat]

Rather than bounce around aimlessly like a feather in a storm (16 alternative views in one post) Come up with a plan
of action with a time and a date then execute it. Remember when you told me, that I might not know what I'm talking
about because it took me 9 years to find my Angel Eyes? There is nearly zero chance that you do this faster than I did.
You have been second guessing everyone on every post for at least 8 years now.

Potentially I have that sorted now, so 6-7 years to your 9 years

That's including a virus pandemic when it was difficult to impossible to fly and a war, not bad eh! Lol.

That said I fully accept that it can be random. Some people hit it lucky first time (though probably extremely few). Some think they have and it ends up not so.

16 views in one post is great value for reading time to any reader.

Perhaps the stuff I write actually helps someone despite you not thinking it does Beel.

On point 16 I was thinking of BillyB. I don't know for sure but it is suspected that his marriage/relationship may have gone south. He's a great guy and taught me a lot of common sense logic on here. Even if his relationship has gone south a lot of what he taught me on here was pure gold nuggets of wisdom. I just fear that he himself made one error and it may only take one error and tripped up on that. It can be easily done and there should be no shame to Billy if that is true, he still spoke with a lot of wisdom and a lot can be learned from his postings.

The last post he made in here I questioned whether he might have a problem in his hands, 'that lack of having had any children with his girl (with the huge age gap of about 30 years) and her progressing in a career instead might be a problem'. He though not so and I respected his judgement as a guy if much wisdom but even still I feared a on the horizon.