What do You think of Ukrainians refusing to speak Russian?

[olgac]

I told You before about my Belorussian young friend Lena who is dating now.
She has been telling me already few times how she doesn't like when Ukrainians refuse to speak Russian
and answer in Ukrainian when spoken to in Russian. We have had arguments about this.
She things it's unnatural because Russian is their native languuage to which I respond that they have
100% moral right to refuse to speak Russian and Ukraine will now become a country with just one lanuguage
no Russian. She couldn't believe this could possibly happen so I gave her an example of Israel totally switching to
Hebrew even though people who founded Israel mostly spoke Yiddish. So yah it has been done in a past.
She just can not understand "so much hatred towards Russians" from Ukrainian side to which I respond that
it's a totally natural human reaction to being invaded and bombed, like what di You expect???

Anyways last week a Ukrainian 35 year old man who works for Google remotely and lives in Reno has messaged me
on FB wanting to meet and talk about his career since I have so much experience and connections in companies
he is interested in. He wrote to me in Ukranian which I understand but can't write or speak. So I responded in
Russian that sorry I only know Russian and English to which he replied that he can talk to me in English then
Which w did and today we met for coffee and talked only in ENglish not a word of Russian even though he clearly knoes it
being in US for only 6 years.

Well he turned out to be a very good lookign single guy so I asked if he wants to meet my friend Lena and showed him her
photos and he said sure. I took some photos of him and sent them to Lena, and she really really liked him even though he is
clearly shorter than her requirement of 6 feet tall LOL. SO I warned her that he will not talk Russian and she started going
on and on how she hopes that he is nto one of these Ukrainian nationalists-exteremists who hate Russians.
And we had a fight about it. I told her I fully respect a right of any Ukrainian right now to 1. be anti Russian (because
most Russians in fact support Putin) and refuse to speak Russian or answer in Russian.

What do You guys think?

Man if she screws up this great opportunity in dating I will be REALLY mad!

[rwd123]

[krimster2]

no good deeds go unpunished, always remember that
especially next time you feel so inclined to mistakenly commit yet another

you'd better start keeping as low a profile as possible

that MISHNA stuff?
how much did it help in the holocaust

Anyone whose good deeds are greater than his wisdom — his wisdom will endure.
And anyone whose wisdom is greater than his good deeds — his wisdom will not endure

yvray don't REALLY believe in that stuff anymore
didn't you get the E-MAILS?
what we believe in NOW - IS KICKING ASS of those who put their foot on our necks!

it's a BRAVE NEW WORLD out there, straight outta a George Orwell Novel
genocidal Jews and Tiki Torch Marchers chanting "White Power" as Trump activates the National Guard to protect them

Time to join  La Résistance
they gladly accept geezers if they KNOW THEIR SHIT and have NO FEAR OF DEATH
and well...
that would be me...


Trauma of war effects people differently
in california, I saw the people I killed in Asia shopping at Macy's and I had a MAJOR FREAK OUT!!!!
only later did I realize that it wasn't THEM
OTOH, Asians have treated me with such kindness, that when I think of all that I did to them, makes me feel guilty and ashamed

same with arabs
while i'm in the Hummus Shop my brain brings back images of IED amputations
and then I see the sliced meat and lose my appetite

with the proper meds, I can be high functioning, including mastering the design and development of next generation weaponry
to traumatize the next generation of humanity...
each generation shall know it's SORROW
and Gen Z's misfortune will be the first to be ISO-9000 certified

Under The Elon Musk A Better America Through National Austerity For The Poor and Middle Class
will turn America into a Hedge Fund administered by JD Vance
RFK Jr will destroy health Care just by using his CREAKY VOICE

For the First Half of his first Sate of The Union Address, President Trump will dance and make strange gestures and then mumble something about windmills
and at the end, everyone stands up to applause
and THEY KEEP doing it
cuz NO ONE wants to be the first person to stop clapping for Donald Trump

PS
I was trained by two militaries+ 6 year of University and worked years in the US and Israeli Military Industrial Complex
I speak English, Russian, German, Hebrew, Spanish and a little Arabic, Syrian Dialect
now retired and twiddling my thumbs while working on my own AI projects as a hobbyist

looking for a "special ops" position
message me here

put me in coach, I'm ready to play
we can still fight in UKRAINE

if ya don't believe ME, I'll show you HOW
it's the same way you can fight in America to

throw yur wooden shoes in the rich man's MOST EXPENSIVE AND IMPORTANT machinery and break it
and you take away his riches
bitches

Resistance is not futile
so...
RESIST!!!

[olgac]

What the hell was that? I didn’t understand a word!

[krimster2]

if this is supposed to be in Moscva, why was everyone speakin English, eh?
although by appearance, skin-head, just outta prison, home on 2 week leave, kinda grimy, underfed gopnick kinda look sure appears genuine
that's cuz fascists all LOOK alike to me!

the war will be over in 2025
you need to see what the deal is to be that's worked out with Trump/Putin
besides oil and gas, removal of sanctions, de-militarize Ukraine, will it also include Iran or NOT?

Trump is used to the position of being a broker for Russian money
he did so with casinos and real estate
and he'll do so again for real estate and stock in Rosneft
by getting a commision for sellin Ukraine to Putin

I'm planning on buying the entire city of Mauriopol for $5,000
and use it for filming Grateful Dead episodes and make a fortune
while little old ladys wearing rags and bits of random clothing
trudge with grocery carts less than half full of kartoshkie
and they're lookin at ya, all wide-eyed paranoid, afraid yur gonna steal them kartoshkie from her
imagine the terrified look on her face, when zombies emerge and chase after her
and she has NO CHOICE but to run for her life and leave the kartoshkie behind
no actor could ever show such REAL FEAR!!!
we're talking 400 million youtube hits EASY
for each episode of walkin dead pranking novo russiya gopnicks with zombie actors
just dub it in English, and  right there is half yur show

a totally NEW kind of Reality TV
it's a fantasy about reality

a year after Exxon/Mobile is drillin in Siberia
it'll be COMPLETELY SAFE for westerners in RuZZIA and Novo Russiya
especially if ya get yurself a "patron" krisha to cover yur ass

sanctions ending in Russia, will be like the roaring 20s in America
if I were a much younger man
2 years from now, i'd be making some SERIOUS MONEY once more in Russia
but i'm just too old now to care about money anymore

I like sitting on the porch and eating cookies
and my friend, Mr Squirrel comes by, and I open the tin of peanuts and throw him always the EXACT same number of peanuts
sometimes Mr Squireel will bury the peanuts and not eat them
I've been recording this, to see if I can figure out some kinda distribution function that will fit to the data to explain his behavior
in parallel recording temp, rain, etc and do correlation and regression analysis
and keep expanding the variables
until I find the right one

then I will know
The deterministic variables that control a squirrel's behavior over time

which by coincidence, is the Thesis Title of my Doctor of Philosophy at Wassa Matter U.
so please address me as Dr Krimster
or...
if yur in Texas, "Doc Krimster"

thank you for reading this
I enjoy the special bond that I share with you all here on RWD
LOL!

"cynics always end up choking on their own poison they concocted to use against their enemies"
it's Anne Frank's "First Law of Cynicism" from her 2nd Diary
recovered from Block 22B female prisoners Barrack 22 buried less than a quarter meter under bunk 22's floor inside an empty 1 liter I.G.Farben Synthoil can
by midnight archeologists descended from those who looted pharos tombs of their treasures under a full moon

yes!
it's always with a FULL MOON!

[krimster2]

Hello!
My name is Jeff
while I was sweeping the orphanage floor
I found a fish, Jesus asked me to carry it back to the river
and now after this picture, that Jesus asked me to make, I am going to takr the fish back to the river and release it
ow fook, cat just took it!!!
son of a bitch, Jesus will be pissed when he finds out...

ya know what?
if the cat doesn't say anything, neither will I
I scarch his back and he purrs and he does the same to me
capische?

crime teams are ALWAYS better than individuals
human/monkey saboteur bombers of oligarchy's biggest mosst expensive capital equipment that's income producing
to begin their debt avalanche

primitive primates placing PETN
which could NOT be detected by Russian explosive sniffers

circus performer/saboteur
in industrial regions
correlate to higher unexplained fires and explosions

all of which is being monitored
to get the baseline
so ya know when the spikes come

[Trenchcoat]

I told You before about my Belorussian young friend Lena who is dating now.
She has been telling me already few times how she doesn't like when Ukrainians refuse to speak Russian
and answer in Ukrainian when spoken to in Russian. We have had arguments about this.
She things it's unnatural because Russian is their native languuage to which I respond that they have
100% moral right to refuse to speak Russian and Ukraine will now become a country with just one lanuguage
no Russian. She couldn't believe this could possibly happen so I gave her an example of Israel totally switching to
Hebrew even though people who founded Israel mostly spoke Yiddish. So yah it has been done in a past.
She just can not understand "so much hatred towards Russians" from Ukrainian side to which I respond that
it's a totally natural human reaction to being invaded and bombed, like what di You expect???

Anyways last week a Ukrainian 35 year old man who works for Google remotely and lives in Reno has messaged me
on FB wanting to meet and talk about his career since I have so much experience and connections in companies
he is interested in. He wrote to me in Ukranian which I understand but can't write or speak. So I responded in
Russian that sorry I only know Russian and English to which he replied that he can talk to me in English then
Which w did and today we met for coffee and talked only in ENglish not a word of Russian even though he clearly knoes it
being in US for only 6 years.

Well he turned out to be a very good lookign single guy so I asked if he wants to meet my friend Lena and showed him her
photos and he said sure. I took some photos of him and sent them to Lena, and she really really liked him even though he is
clearly shorter than her requirement of 6 feet tall LOL. SO I warned her that he will not talk Russian and she started going
on and on how she hopes that he is nto one of these Ukrainian nationalists-exteremists who hate Russians.
And we had a fight about it. I told her I fully respect a right of any Ukrainian right now to 1. be anti Russian (because
most Russians in fact support Putin) and refuse to speak Russian or answer in Russian.

What do You guys think?

Man if she screws up this great opportunity in dating I will be REALLY mad!

Most people from Ukraine are going to hate Russia/Russians. That's only natural when your family and friends are being killed as a result of the unprovoked Russian Invasion.

I think your friend Lena would be best doing the same as you and speaking in English. His unwillingness to speak to you in Russian points to a likely anti-Russian feeling I would have thought. Can never be 100 percent sure how strongly they might feel but it could be pretty strong. If he is over in the US long term and any family or friends back in Ukraine that he is close to haven't been badly effected/lost lives, badly wounded, etc then he might not be too agitated about it, but most Ukrainians I think have.

I think your friend should go carefully and avoid talking about the war. She doesn't need to get involved in conversation about it. It will probably soon come out how he feels about it. If she feels that she is into him then it's better that she doesn't take issue against him on a subject that she doesn't need to be party too. Belarus is not directly involved in the conflict but if course Russian troops crossed from their, are based their and Belarus is friendly towards Russia, well Lukashenko is at least.

If he is from West Ukraine then as you likely know the Ukrainian language will be very prevalent there. In East Ukraine apparently attempts to convert the Russian speaking population there have backslided.

With my girlfriend it's pretty easy as I have been in support of Ukraine from the beginning of the Invasion even before we started eating and of course she is in support of Ukraine and hates Russia/Russians even though she still commonly primarily uses the Russian language rather than Ukrainian.

I think you are right to fear your friend making a disaster of it. It unfortunately could be so easy to descend into a big argument between her and the guy and it's an argument she doesn't need to have as presumably she has no vested interest involved in the war situation.

I think all relationships have their aspects where one may have to endure something they find disagreeable in the other. Potentially she may just have to ride that one out and stay quiet if he is very enthusiastic about anti Russian stuff. The war won't be going on for ever more and while long term Russian hatred will remain it will probably be voiced less as people get bogged down with their own lives. If I were her I would look more to her longer term prospects and a potentially good future she could have with this guy and less on the unfortunate issue of the moment.

[olgac]

Yes I agree! And good point about Western Ukraine! He might be from there and really not good in Russian because he is young and born after Soviet Union fell.

They are meeting tonight for dinner we will see if she can stay off the Russian language topic with him.
I told her to pretend he is an American, his English is almost with no accent.

[ML]

I agree 100% with you Olga.  Russian should never be spoken here in USA except for Russians speaking in their homes or clubs, and in universities where we need to provide Russian classes train spies, CIA agents, etc.

In the Ukrainian families here in our hometown, they have all stopped using Russian, even inside their homes.  The professors are, of course, fully proficient in English and  now their parents who are here are progessing well in English classes.

[ML]

She just can not understand "so much hatred towards Russians" from Ukrainian side to which I respond that it's a totally natural human reaction to being invaded and bombed, like what di You expect???

Olga, after thinking about this for awhile . . . I realized that Lena is not a person of good character.  She has no moral compass.

You are not doing these men a favor by trying to get them involved with Lena.

She is a 'bad apple.'    Let her go.

[olgac]

I think You are probably right
We just had a big fight about it and currently not talking

She has expressed some views before about why Ukranians answer in Ukranian when you ask something in Russian.
But with this guy it just brought her weird views to the surface.
Seems that she has a negative stereotype about Ukranians and I won't stand for that

[ML]

Seems that she has a negative stereotype about Ukranians and I won't stand for that

Good for you !!  Now I can sleep better.  :-)

[olgac]

Yes I can now help this Ukranian man with his career I have many connections

BTW: my mom and I traveled around Europe last year and we didn't event speak Russian to each other in public,
we were too embarassed, we just spoke English to each other, and it was fine as my mom speaks fluent English.

I got invited to a Facebook group for local Ukranians and they only post in Ukranian there which I do understand
since I know Belorussian and it's somewhat similar. I never post or repy anything in Russian in that group out of
respect. When I have to reply or post I do it in English only.

[Trenchcoat]

Yes I agree! And good point about Western Ukraine! He might be from there and really not good in Russian because he is young and born after Soviet Union fell.

They are meeting tonight for dinner we will see if she can stay off the Russian language topic with him.
I told her to pretend he is an American, his English is almost with no accent.

How did the date go?

I think ML has something of a point about her having no moral compass. If she can't see that Ukrainian people are suffering terribly and think of those poor Ukrainian men having to fight at the front and lose their lives then it points to there being something missing within her.

I get that it may be a bit full on hearing about it but then is the situation. If she really is against a relationship with that involved then she needs to look for a non Ukrainian man most likely.

I kind of get the whole Russian speaking outlook. I kind of liked the old post Soviet period in Eastern Europe where there was more of a Russian resemblance in countries such as Ukraine. For us Westerners it is a better rate of return on time investment to speak Russian that could be used in Ukraine, Belarus, etc than learn Ukrainian which is more limited in its territory of use. Partly I liked the shared history of Ukraine & Russia but now that Ukraine has moved away from Russia's sphere of influence it is more clear to see the difference between Ukrainian & Russian culture which is nice in a way also. Some parts of Russian Culture I miss as they have some interesting cultural stuff but I accept now they were never a part of Ukraine and Ukraine's culture is mostly separate from that.

With your friend I potentially think she has some problems, I don't think in general she necessarily has great character traits at least as far as men interested in dating might perceive them. She seems quite self interested (perhaps a more western woman trait) and only considers herself and what she wants being fulfilled. Potentially there is someone out there for everyone in theory and she may line up with a guy where this isn't a problem, but many men I think it could be a problem. A one sided situation probably isn't a good place to begin from. I'm not so sure it's possible to change someone or necessarily a good idea. I think your friend Lena will either fail to find anyone on the basis of who she is or possibly find a niche person that may fit.

If she can come around to accepting that she may need to give in some areas and that no man might be so perfect to what she wants then I think she increases her chances a lot more.

[Trenchcoat]

In Russian Culture I love Russian Nesting Dolls, the Nutcracker, Soviet & Russian History and the painting, 'The Unequal Marriage' - that painting is just too wonderful and funny

In Ukrainian culture I love the Cossack origins, Cossack Dress, ways of Cossack Culture, the Warrior element, Cossack History. I also love that Ukrainian people are often very sociable to foreigners and usually fun loving. I like Ukrainian Village Folk Dress and am interested in Ukrainian Folk History also. I think that Ukrainian Culture hasn't been clearly seen enough by foreigners so far and that will probably take some time.

A lot of Ukrainians are now hostile to Russian culture and there is kind of a purge of Russian Culture by many Ukrainians apparently. That is understandable, the feeling of hatred towards Russia is now strong as a result of the war and what Russia has inflicted on Ukrainians. It's a horrid state of affairs for Ukrainians losing loved ones so I think anyone getting with a Ukrainian needs to understand that. It's not an easy situation but I would feel the same way in their position.

[olgac]

The date went pretty bad. She spoke egnish but was trying to dispute why he doesn't speak Russian.
She said he also mentioned that he now feels more American then eastern European and she started
arguing that because how he grew up he will always be Easten European.
I told her this is total BS and a person has a right to be whatever he wants to be independently of how
he was brought up if he so desires. Gave example of people leaving cults and making a new life to give
an extreme example. Then me and her got again into a fight about the right not to speak Russian
and what she calls Ukranian nationalism. And now we aren't speaking

[olgac]

A lot of Ukrainians are now hostile to Russian culture and there is kind of a purge of Russian Culture by many Ukrainians apparently. That is understandable, the feeling of hatred towards Russia is now strong as a result of the war and what Russia has inflicted on Ukrainians. It's a horrid state of affairs for Ukrainians losing loved ones so I think anyone getting with a Ukrainian needs to understand that. It's not an easy situation but I would feel the same way in their position.

Yes exactly my point! And even after the war ends it will take generations to erase this animocity.

[Trenchcoat]

The date went pretty bad. She spoke English but was trying to dispute why he doesn't speak Russian.
She said he also mentioned that he now feels more American then eastern European and she started
arguing that because how he grew up he will always be Easten European.
I told her this is total BS and a person has a right to be whatever he wants to be independently of how
he was brought up if he so desires. Gave example of people leaving cults and making a new life to give
an extreme example. Then me and her got again into a fight about the right not to speak Russian
and what she calls Ukranian nationalism. And now we aren't speaking

Yeah I thought that might be the case. I find with a little if East European women if they have a beef you're gonna here about it lol. That and they can be rather forth right in their views. Diplomacy is rarely their thing

On the other hand if a girl likes a guy and I am guessing even East European women then odds are they may not be quite as adversarial and so perhaps this is just a sign that he wasn't the right one for her.

Potentially a Western Man may suit her better than a Ukrainian guy as he won't be coming with all that baggage that she finds difficult to comprehend. I still think Silicon Valley is her best bet. My impression is that unless she gets lucky in Reno is that it is just too small a pond in which to fish, at least for what she is after. Her advancing years aren't helping her and will soon start weighing heavily against her big time in the next few years onwards. I really do think that she is wasting good time that she won't later be able to get back in messing around in Reno rather than trying Silicon Valley. As I hear it from Krim, etc Silicone Valley has loads of single dateless dudes than earn very good money but some still struggle to get a date. She needs to up her odds massively I think by fishing there instead.

I get the impression that East European women get off on having a good argument every so often (their enjoyable form of drama) and don't usually take the argument too personally, am I right?

[krimster2]

my pronoun is "IT"

obviously....
you've never dealt very much with CRAZY PEOPLE!!!
am I right?

BTW, you EVER have ANY questions regarding that subject
you KNOW WHO to ask? right?

why do ya wanna risk punishment for yur good deeds?
what's the reward that makes it worth the risk?
asking for a friend

[ML]

This morning during breakfast, I was giving wife an update on this thread re Lena.

She said:  I knew from the very first posts Olga made about Lena, that Lena was not a good person.

[olgac]

This morning during breakfast, I was giving wife an update on this thread re Lena.

She said:  I knew from the very first posts Olga made about Lena, that Lena was not a good person.

Your wife is very smart as usual!

[krimster2]

the end of the war is only temporary

when the war is over and sanctions lifted
Russia's economy will ZOOM but not Ukraine's
cuz there's gonna be a global recession goin on caused by the Trump/Elon Austerity Program
and ain't NOBODY got money for that

meanwhile Russia gets about $400 billion returned
Russian oil and gas will again flow unimpeded to Europe
Trump Corp will gets lots of new Russian money for Trump Tower in Moscva

Trump will sell every secret he can to whoever he can
Trump will tranfer all federal workers to Trump Tower Offices at 3X normal Rent

Post Office will use Tesla auto delivery trucks

there will be some new "National Emergency" that Trump will phuque up completely like last time

[olgac]

I think Russia has to pay reparations for decades lik Germany did

[krimster2]

history is written by the victors
only the losers pay reparations...
Trump just handed victory to Putin...
Ukraine is the loser, so Ukraine must pay, and they WILL PAY DEARLY and already have and will continue to pay for not doing what Putin says to do!!!

what's coming for Ukraine and then US?

those at the bottom ALWAYS get sold out by the people on the top
ALWAYS!!!
and they lie about it as well and call it something else

get used to living as slaves you morons

there will be a truce but the war will not be over
it'll go back to where it was before Feb 2022...and not to before 2014....

will Trump be able to REMOVE ALL sanctions on Russia
or just the ones after Feb 2022...
if he can also get the Crimean sanctions as well, then this is a major score for Putin
I mean, it's a Field Goal" end of game, he won, kinda move
worth the sacrifice of every gopnick

next time, sombody else will be in charge of Ukrainian War II
or it'll be one of the infinite Putin Body Doubles, which start to look less and less like Putin over time
or AI Putin

[olgac]

history is written by the victors
only the losers pay reparations...
Trump just handed victory to Putin...
Ukraine is the loser, so Ukraine must pay, and they WILL PAY DEARLY and already have and will continue to pay for not doing what Putin says to do!!!

Yes Unfortunately You are right