Turboguy & Turbodude's First Dream tour

[BillyB]

Darth Vader,

I hope you stopped using the scam agency CC. May the force be with you, use it twice daily and in between meals.

[PeeWee]

Pictures you say?  A waste of time. 

I have been in several agency offices and dated agency girls.  None of them had seen my pictures before they met me.  And silly me paid one agency, CC, big bucks to have 20 pictures in my profile.

Girls in the FSU don't spend time looking at profiles of guys the way we look at girl's profiles.  If you are listed, without a pic or even as you said an intro letter, they will write you. Or have fat Yuri write you for them 

You reminded me of the second RW in my life. I found her on the Internet, wrote a snail mail letter, she wrote me back. In her first letter she told me that she would come to the US to meet me. I was new at this and did not know about visas and such. She sent to me her phone number in the letter and asked me to call her. I did.

That was in August of whatever year it was. We talked by phone, she did not have a computer. In October of that year she did travel to see me, for a one week stay. She returned with her daughter in January for another week stay. By May she had met another guy and married him by June...they were married in Las Vegas and she returned to Moscow.

What reminded me of this was that she had not seen a photo of me, or even knew what I looked like until the time that we met in October. I recall asking her if she wanted me to send a photo of me to her but she told me that it was not important. Now that I look back on all of it I do not think the whole thing odd but at the time I did not think about it that way.

We are still friends to this day. She married the guy, later divorced him, he is an American, and she is still living in Moscow. Now and again she turns up somewhere in the US, calls me, asks me if I will meet her. Sometimes I do and sometimes I do not. Depends on my mood. But I did see her the last time I flew to Moscow.

Peevee

[Darth Vader]

Darth Vader,

I hope you stopped using the scam agency CC. May the force be with you, use it twice daily and in between meals.

Yes, I dumped that agency once I saw how they operated.  Problem is, CC is the norm, following the discussion going on over in the Tver strand.  But they keep in business because ass holes dump big bucks on them.

I learned that slick sexy photos of girls means someone other than the girls are paying for the photoshots!

And may the force be with you, BillyB.  Hey--let's keep it away from those ass holes that are polluting the FSU countries for the rest of us.

Hey Turbo-- May the force be with you.  Have a good time and enjoy yourself.  And don't do anything I wouldn't do    LOL
Darth

[jinx13]

 Hi Turbo,  I have read many of your posts here, not just in this thread, but from the past too. I have a question...What the hell is taking you so long to find the right woman?  ???

 I think at your age I would get tired of all these trips, and tours, and going to different cities, trying to keep all the women'n names straight in your head. I don't know, it all sounds tiring to me. Sure I bet it was great fun the first few times, but don't you just want give somebody special a chance, and move forward already?

 Maybe you are the picky type, I think it happens to us after a divorce, we want to make sure the next one will last. Maybe you start to make excuses as to why it wouldn't work rather than getting to know the person and getting past those little obstacles to find that just maybe you can fall in love again.

 Just my 2 cents, don't mean to rain on your parade, it's a great trip report, but nobody was saying anything truthful to you, and I know the truth hurts sometimes, but I honestly wish you the best of luck, I hope you find her. Just think, the quicker you do find that someone special, the quicker you can have sex again!     - David

[PeeWee]

Hi Turbo,  I have read many of your posts here, not just in this thread, but from the past too. I have a question...What the hell is taking you so long to find the right woman?  ???

 I think at your age I would get tired of all these trips, and tours, and going to different cities, trying to keep all the women'n names straight in your head. I don't know, it all sounds tiring to me. Sure I bet it was great fun the first few times, but don't you just want give somebody special a chance, and move forward already?

 Maybe you are the picky type, I think it happens to us after a divorce, we want to make sure the next one will last. Maybe you start to make excuses as to why it wouldn't work rather than getting to know the person and getting past those little obstacles to find that just maybe you can fall in love again.

 Just my 2 cents, don't mean to rain on your parade, it's a great trip report, but nobody was saying anything truthful to you, and I know the truth hurts sometimes, but I honestly wish you the best of luck, I hope you find her. Just think, the quicker you do find that someone special, the quicker you can have sex again!     - David

Turbo will arrive back home, access his past mission, and then it will dawn on him that he really need not look any further than Vladivastok to find the woman of his dreams.

Peevee

[Bruno]

Hi Turbo,  I have read many of your posts here, not just in this thread, but from the past too. I have a question...What the hell is taking you so long to find the right woman?  ???

... but don't you just want give somebody special a chance, and move forward already?

David, i think that you have not read enough about the Turbo past... not long time ago, he was engaged with a RW, he have apply for the K1, she have come to US... but the marriage have not happen...

[Photo Guy]

Excellent trip report! Thanks. Maybe I'll take a trip like yours in the Spring or summer. Now sometimes Larisa gives me the time of day, other times not. Her parents, especially her father, consider me to be a romantic thief, willing to steal away their daughter.  C'est la vie. She allows herself to be controlled by them. It's too bad because in many ways we are right for each other. 

During your present tour, some of the situations do not sound favorable for romance. When you sat facing five women at a time- how romantic could that be? I operate better when I flirt with a woman at an art gallery or some other chance encounter. Yes, for the 'numbers game' I can see the benefits of a tour like Jack's. I'll think about it for next year. Again, thanks for the interesting trip report.  -doug

[Turboguy]

Jinx,   I did not take offense with your question.  It was a valid question and I am glad you asked.   

I am sure part of it is that, yes, I want to find the right woman.  Lots of guys visit one gal and do a k-1 after a few days only to find later that they have noting in common.   In my mind though I am not being overly picky. 

You are right.  I am totally sick of trips, letters, answering ads, trying to figure out which gal this letter is from and the whole scene.   I would like to get this wrapped up.   I really have only resumed the hunt about 10 months ago.  I almost settled for one but even though we seemed very happy together and very compatable it just seems to me if a gal is into me there will be more contact than a letter every 10 days or so.   I had to abort a trip in summer over a health problem which should be behind me.  If I had made that trip I would probably be down to one prospect.  I expect to be down to one prospect in the next month or two.   This is probably one of the areas of life that it is easiest to make a really big mistake.   I only have one life and I have already made more than my share.

PeeVee,  That is definitely one first class lady.

Bruno, thanks for the clarification for David.  You are of course correct on that.  My search began again at the end of November of last year.

PhotoGuy,  Thanks for the compliment.  I know how hard it is to move on sometimes but I think we both know that sometimes in life it is inevitable.   When I finish with the report which will be soon I am going to do a summary that may put it all in context.  I had suggested this to you before I went.  Now that I have done it I would say that you should do everything you can to make his spring trip.   You will never regret it and I think you will find you can move your life in a positive directing.   

Sitting with 2-3-4-5-6 ladies at a table is not bad.  You just need enough to know if there is mutual interest and then you can spend more time with them.   The party is in addition to a bunch of individual meetings.   Well, time for another leg of my journey.

[Turboguy]

THE GOLDEN GIRL, THE GIANT, THE MIDGET AND THE NOSE

The bus trip to Zap was short and easy.   The bus rides are almost a non stop joke fest as we recount a lot of funny stories.  I could have used some sleep but couldn't stop laughing.   

We stayed at the intourist hotel, a name that like pearl harbor lives in infamy for those who visited the FSU a long time ago.  Still the rooms were beautiful.  Probably the nicest I have had in any of my trips and not over priced.   They rushed me through registration because I had a meeting soon after we arrived.

I got to the lobby at 11:28 for my 11:30 meeting.  I waited and waited.  Then there was a call that my gal was running late and would be there in 10 minutes.   A half hour later as I still waited I saw a gal come in and stop.  I thought to myself, oh, I hope this is not my date.  I had hopes it was going to turn out to be the terp, but no she was looking for me.  My term for the gal was "Golden Girl"  She had gold pants, gold jacket, gold hair, gold handbag, gold shoes and even gold makeup.  I am sure she thought she was well color co-ordinated and stunning but to me she looked a little scary.  We sat in the lobby cafe and chatted for a short while.  She was a Doctor, a dermatologist.  She had a pleasant personality.  It was a short meeting, perhaps 10-15 minutes rather than the 1-3 hours that many of the meetings are.  I was just as happy.

I had a few hours before the Zap party and went out scouting for an internet cafe with some luck.   Then back to the hotel and change for the party.

Here I just had one table which worked well.  The Zap party had fewer women than some of the others but for me it was one of the better ones.   I went in to three gals at the table.  Jack had told me there was a hot blond there.   I sat down.  The one Jack thought was a hot blond was to my right.  To my left were two gals.  I was not too attracted to the one to my immediate left but the other a redhead in her 40's was very cute.  We sat and chatted.  The one I had not been attracted to grew on me.  She was very pleasant and asked great questions,   The one on my right was lively and outgoing and fun.  The other, the one I though was cute was also very pleasant to talk to. 

One of the things about sitting at a table is you can't really tell how tall anyone is.  I am 5' 11", perhaps all the showers I have taken have shrunk me a half inch or so but close to it anyway.  The music started and the hot blond and the cute redhead got up to dance with me.   The hot blond was about 6'2, the cute redhead about 4'11"  It just sort of seemed like an odd contrast. 

The redhead had to leave early, I got her number and said good bye.  She walked out the door.  A minute later one of the gals came and got me.  The redhead was outside and asked to speak to me privately.  I went out and she said she really was impressed by me and wanted to see me.  We made plans for the morning.   I went back to the room.   We had a late addition to the table.  A gal who had to work until 8.   This was a really, really cute blond with the cutest upturned nose and a fantastic smile.   Sort of shaggy blond hair and eyes that twinkled.   She had a great personality and was divorced with a 22 year old son.  Anyway The tall blond wanted to show me around.   I made plans for 2 PM the second day.   The gal with the cute nose and I made a date for after she got of work the next day at 8.   The party ended, I went to bed.    At the first parties everyone headed out to night spots after.  I think we were all wearing down a bit.

I met up with the redhead and we went to the island.  My son was also going out there and off we went in two cabs. I had to be back for another meeting but I had a nice time.  She was very affectionate and a pleasure to be with. 

I had to be back for a 2:00 meeting with a cute brunette.   Right after we hooked up Jack saw us heading out the door, came over, put his arm around her and said " I am turboguy, we are supposed to meet"  She laughed and I am sure was flattered by it.  We went and had a nice meeting.  I would have liked to see her again but there is only 24 hours in a day.

My 8:00 date with the gal with the cute nose showed up on time.   She apologized because she had a hard day at work and her eyes were bothering her and she was tired.  We just sat in the lobby cafe and chatted.  It was noisy but fine.  She asked if she could see me the following day and said she would feel much better then.  She was my favorite so I said yes.   Off she went, and off I went to bed.

The following day I had a 2:00 date with the tall blond.  In the morning they told me I had a 2:00 date to meet someone new.  I called the tall blond and moved her back to 4:00.   A few minutes before I was expecting to meet the blond, I found that the agency had also noticed I had two dates for 2:00 so they moved the other date back also.   We both fixed the same problem and made a new one.

The agency said they would get the new gal in at 3;00   My terp and I headed for Cindy agency.   The gal was late and when she arrived insisted on her own terp and sent mine away.   We had to wait 15 min for the new terp and I was hoping to be done by 4 to meet the tall blond. 

We finally have my gal, the terp and a cafe and spend the first 15 minutes talking non stop about her wanting to find out how to work in the USA.   She had heard there was an agency in Kiev who were getting visas for Ukrainians to work in grape factories in the USA and they would get a one year or sometimes 6 month visa.  It sounded fishy to me.  You have two grape growing areas in the USA, one in NY and one in California.  I know NY is not doing that and I would think the Napa valley has all the Mexicans they could want and would not be too interested in Russkies.   I told her about the summer resorts and cruise ships and we finally got on to learning about each other.   She asked if I wanted wine, I said no, she asked if I wanted beer, I said no, she said well how about an aperitif, poor gal musta really needed a drink.   Sure think I should have needed one myself.  I said good bye and headed out to meet the tall blond.

The blond, the terp and I headed off walking.  We walked for probaby 10 miles.  With her legs that is probably like 5 miles compared to my legs.  there was one part you had to see to appreciate.  We got to a busy crossing with tons of cars zipping by at 50-60 miles an hour.  We wait for a minute or two with no relief then, she steps out in front of a car heading towards here at 50 miles an hour and this tall drink of water with a stern look and a comanding presents points at the one driver and then to her feet, then the one beside and to her feet and both slam on their brakes and stop a few feet from her.  I have to think she would make a heck of a dominatrix and wonder if sex with her is like that, get down at my feet boy, obey my every comand or I will flog you sensless.

We walked out onto the bridge over the power station.  I have had people who could feel a bridge move when I couldn't.   I was never on a bridge like this one.  This bridge is about a mile long and curves the whole way.  It was vibrating so bad that when a truck went by it almost threw you to the ground.   If you read of a bridge colappsing in Ukraine, I will give you odds it will be this one.

At 8 I met the gal with the nose.  She was all dressed up and looked great.  We hit a souvenir place first.  she wanted to buy me something to remember her by.  Then we went to a great restaurant for a nice meal.  We had a nice evening and I enjoyed her company a lot.

It was a pleasant way to end the tour.  We headed off to Kiev for a few days on our own.  That will be the next chapter.

[jinx13]

 Hey Turbo,

  Glad you were not offended by my post, and it's true I don't know the whole story. You have over 2200 posts here, I might have missed a few 

  Wow, I get dizzy just reading your trip report, "the tall blond" "the upturned nose blonde" "Golden Girl", so many women, how do you keep track of them all? I don't think I could ever do the tour thing, it seems strange to sit at a table with 5 other women and meet your potential and maybe future wife.

 Why do you recommend Jack's tour?, I'm curious as to the details. What makes this a good way to meet the woman of your dreams? I'm not saying I'm against this type of trip, maybe I just need more proof that it works. So far it seems you have no real leads, and didn't really have a serious connection with anyone. Did your son have better luck?, did he narrow it down, or is he in love with a different one in every city?   

 I wish you luck, and you are right, it's better to take your time with these things than to choose the wrong person, but it seems to me you did not have enough time with anyone to get to know them very well. Looks like you will be making another trip soon. Have you ever tried living there for a short time? I might have missed that thread , apologies if I did.

There is a ton of info on this list, my thanks to the moderator, and you loyal listers that keep it going, it helps a somewhat newbie like myself, believe me.  - David

[Turboguy]

Thanks David. I have a few more posts left. One is my two days in Kiev one of which is just starting now. The final one will be a summary of my feelngs about the trip and tour. A lot of your very good questions will be answered there. My son was able to have 3 long dates with his top choice. It is a good start.

[PeeWee]

PeeVee,  That is definitely one first class lady.

Before you make your final decision I urge you to make at least one trip to Vladivostok. She'll put the whammy on you and you'll not think to search again.

Peevee

[Turboguy]

Thanks for the urging PeeVee.  Darn, I am begging to think I should have been rich and could have bought my own airline and would have enough traveling just myself to keep it in business.

David,  You are right about my head spinning with women.  I have a stack of e-mail addresses that I don't even know who they are.  I did keep good track of the ones I was interested in but it is hard to even remember all the gals.

I have had a lot of talks about the quality of Ukrainian men on this trip.   Most sort of felt they were dogs.   The best quote of the trip was a gal who when I asked if she had children said "No, I wanted children but my husband was spayed."    I guess she feels the same about Ukrainian men.

[Turboguy]

GRAND FINALE

I am sure my TR seems like an endless stream of women and it was.  For anyone who has read this far without going to sleep I will try to cover the last women quickly.

To make sure we did not oversleep, the morning we were to leave one of Jack's gals gave us a wake up call at 5 and rode with us to the airport at 6 and showed us where to go.

We waited with about 20 people with suitcases at the domestic gate.  7:30 our flight time came and went.   Finally there was an announcment.  The only word I could understand was Borispol.   Everyone picked up thier bags and disappeared.  We were there totally in the dark as to the fate of our flight.  I went to the ticket counter and of course the gal knew no English.   I said Borispol and drew an x across my chest and then said Borispol again and pointed to my watch.  She evedintly figured that I was asking if the flight had been cancelled or delayed.  She got a piece of paper and wrote 8:30 on it.  We felt a little more releaved.   

We sat in the terminal for a while.  We noticed some stray cats.  One marked his territory on my sons garmet bag.  Now he would wear his favorite colone,  eau de cat.   8:30 came and went as did 9:30   at 10:30 we boarded the plane that had been sitting there all day.   Pilots must have had a hangover.  In Kiev, we got settled into our apartments, hit McDonalds and slept.

I want to thank several of my friends from RWD who tried to hook me or my son up with gals on this trip.  I really do apprecitate it.  It was a busy trip and I wish we could have met them all.

On Saturday I did meet one.  A very sweet gal just getting divorced from a 17 year marriage.   She was cute and shy and very pleasant.   My terp who was supposed to be available was actaully on a train back from Russia so we sat writing notes on my electronic translater and did just fine.   Things seemed to be going great.  We even made it to the necking stage when I asked her how long she had been married.  That is usually a pretty safe question but she asked me if it was important.  I said I just wanted to get to know her and she told me 17 years.   The tone changed from that point on.  She looked like she wanted to cry and left an hour later.   She told me to call her in the morning. 

I had plans to meet a gal I had been writing a while on Sunday night.  My terp called the sad gal in the morning.  She said she could not see me, I thought I was done, but then asked how long I would be in town and said she could see me Monday.  Of course I would be on my way home on Monday so for this trip I would not see her again.

I had my meeting with the gal I had been writing to on Sunday night.  We had coffee at a restaurant called the chateau.   I told my terp if she ever told someone unfamiliar Russian to meet there she should tell them it is the WATO  which is how Chateau is written in Russian, she laughed.   I had a great meeting with the gal, We talked everything from philosopy to the arts to world events and of course a little about our goals.  We had great chemisty and although she is not as attractive as some of the other gals I met she turned into someone whose company I really enjoyed.   A few hours later my terp and I walked her a few blocks to her bus stop and we were arm in arm and constantly looking into each others eyes.   We said good bye and that marked the end of my meetings on the trip.  For those who believe Kiev is not good fishing gals I have to say I met two gals there and they both were great.   Kiev is not a lost cause.

I am still in Kiev.  My son and I fly home in the morning.  The endless string of gals is over.   I want to try and put together some of my thoughts about tours, this tour and where my son and I are in our search when I get home.   That post should about finish my TR.

[KenC]

Turbo,
Talk about a buzz kill!  How could you bring up her divorce during a necking session?  What the hell were you thinking? :noidea:
Have a safe trip home, dude.
KenC

[Turboguy]

I did not really bring up her divorce, I just asked her how long she had been married which I have asked a lot of gals and never had a problem with it.   We were starting to run out of short questions you could do on an electronic translator as we came up for air.   I can look back and kick myself but you know what they say about hindsight.  I have done a lot of dumb things in my life.   I don't think there was perminant damage but it was not a good move.

[Bruno]

...I will try to cover the last women quickly...

What do you mean by "cover" 

[Gator]

Turbo, enjoyed your report.  A good one.  I am amazed that you found time to internet during such a whirlwind trip.  Looking forward to your analysis.

You are an excellent communicator and I imagine a good interlocutor (one of RW's favorite translated words).  However, "necking" is a time for "eye communication" and "sweet nothings", not interlocution.  Agree with KenC.  Your tongue should have been too tired from wrestling with hers.  

I admit that I too have done some regretful things when meeting these women.

[KenC]

I did not really bring up her divorce, I just asked her how long she had been married which I have asked a lot of gals and never had a problem with it.   We were starting to run out of short questions you could do on an electronic translator as we came up for air.   I can look back and kick myself but you know what they say about hindsight.  I have done a lot of dumb things in my life.   I don't think there was perminant damage but it was not a good move.

Turbo,
Just about anything would have been better than anything to do with her ex or divorce.  Maybe something like "what a beautiful dress you're wearing.  Does it zip or button in the back"?

I'm just busting your chops a bit!   The truth of the matter is that it is rare that we men would think too highly of a gal that would jump into the sack with us too easily.  But we still try!
KenC

[Turboguy]

To be honest about it I really thought things were heading that way but if they had I would not have lost respect for her. It is possible it was not the question but rather how fast things were going that bothered her. She was a leally sweet gal but I think she is still dealing with issues and still hurting inside. I was not pushing her. I think part of her wanted to loose the pain in someones arms and part still loves her husband. She just needs some time. She is a great gal

[Manny]

I enjoy reading Turbos words also but I am minded of Oscar Wilde....

Oscar Wilde said 'When seeking perfection one must look to see how much perfection there is within oneself'

Turbo, you are searching for perfection that does not exist! - Just choose a nice girl

[Turboguy]

Thanks for the comment but I think I am far from seeking perfection. I have a track record that is full of mistakes. Perhaps I am still not doing things right but I do believe I am doing the better. I will be talking about this more when I do my summarys.

[Turboguy]

I am home now.   I am not sure my brain has arrived yet.   I will post my summary soon.  I had one other thought about the gal in Kiev who seemed to change tempo when I asked how long she had been married. 

One of the things I noticed, but of course did not say anything to her was that both her legs were heavily scarred throughout their entire surface.  Patches about the size of a tennis ball, some larger a few smaller that looked like very bad burns.  They covered more than 50% of her legs surface. 

I have to wonder if the rest of her body is not the same way.  She was wearing long sleeves so I could not see her arms.  I also have to wonder if this may be something her ex-husband did to her. 

I have to think if this is the case she may consider her body ugly and have some hesitation that way.  It did not bother me in and of itself.  I saw her beauty and accepted that as just something that happened to her.  If her ex did that it would bother me, not towards her but towards him.   Maybe it had nothing to do with anything.  Maybe it did.

[Albert]

Turbo, thanks for some nice write-ups.

I have a couple of questions.

First, how is it that you go about making future dates with these gals when you are sitting with a group of them?  Yes, I know they realize you are meeting other gals (heck, you are sitting with them all), but it still seems like the height of awkwardness to be making future dates in this situation.

Second, I have found that FSU women would rather spend time talking about your other women (real and imagined) than they would like to spend time talking about you and your family.  So on the subsequent dates, do the women quiz you to death about your dates with these other gals?

Third, despite fact that on these tours you get to cover a lot of geographic territory and have quick meetings with a lot of gals . . . . it seems to me it is just too frenzied.  I think there might have been 5 or so of these gals that you could have made a real connection with if you had spent an additional 5-10 days with them.

Of course you can still do this on a future trip, but because of the frenzied nature of the first meeting, the glow of excitement (from you and she) just might not be there compared to if you could have 'struck when the iron was hot.'

[Gator]

Albert,

You and I agree about most points you make.  I think Turbo will address these in his analysis. 

I must disagree with your statement that "FSU women would rather spend time talking about your other women".  Women are not interested in prior conquests.   To make the current woman feel special, a man needs to talk only about her. 

If you say FSU women wanted to talk about past women rather than your family, I guess that you raised the subject, dwelled on it, and misread their signals to “shut up”.