Psychologists, Psychiatrists, Counselling, and RW

[catzenmouse]

I've seen a few posts lately and had some discussions over the years with people about the reluctance of a FSU Woman to go to take advantage of any of the counselling that is available for things like marriage problems, personal problems, and depression.

If any of you wouldn't mind posting, I would like to hear about your thoughts and experiences.

Ken

[Voyageur]

Ken,

From my experience, I can tell you that generally FSU women do not hold these types of individuals in the regard that western society does. For example, people who are alcoholic are the way that they are because they are weak individuals. Our society has a perception that this is a disease and may even be hereditary. But the individual is still at fault for his weaknesses without any convenient "excuses".  I am afraid that in my experience the councillors, psychologists and even lawyers  help people that are not strong enough to deal with their own problems.

My experience is confirmed (in a roundabout way) in recent excellent posts by KenC and OlgaS concerning the differences in the FSU and - for WM - the (overly) politically correct society that we have become in the US.  I hope this helps, it may not be the answer that is most palatable but is my honest opinion.

[Manny]

A curious sidenote to this topic is that why are so many RW Psychologists? (My own lady is a prime example - she was a psychology teacher in Russia) It seems the world and his wife is a psychologist in Russia?

[viking]

A curious sidenote to this topic is that why are so many RW Psychologists? (My own lady is a prime example - she was a psychology teacher in Russia) It seems the world and his wife is a psychologist in Russia?

I have also found this to be true. When you look at profiles, many ladies seem to be in this profession, not that they can get jobs working at this profession, but they study it. And several women I have spoken to, go see them. It seems that it is no longer taboo, or at least not as bad as previous years.

[BC]

I have also found this to be true. When you look at profiles, many ladies seem to be in this profession, not that they can get jobs working at this profession, but they study it. And several women I have spoken to, go see them. It seems that it is no longer taboo, or at least not as bad as previous years.

This is a lure..

First it was doctors.. we began living 'healthy',
then dentists.. and our teeth got replaced,
but we're still crazy enough to chase RW,
all just in case..

It's all supply and demand..

They know what we need!

[Bruno]

I've seen a few posts lately and had some discussions over the years with people about the reluctance of a FSU Woman to go to take advantage of any of the counselling that is available for things like marriage problems, personal problems, and depression.

If any of you wouldn't mind posting, I would like to hear about your thoughts and experiences.

Ken

Russian, not only the women, keep problem in the family and resolve them ( when it is possible ) in the family... Why a russian will tell personal problem to a unknow individual when the family council or some elder relative babouska are ready to help for counselling ?

In our post modern western society, we need the extern counselling help because we are individualist, value of family is almost non existant... America have the reputation in Europe to be the country of the extreme... children too much actif, no problem, US parents use some drug for calm them down in place of use some time with children... depression, no problem, let's go the Prozac generation... home cat don't wish eat the new cat-food, make a appointment to the beast psychologue... husband will not buy the new expensive dress, call a lawer...

All these "professional" suck your money and make your life more difficult...

Experience !!! Not a lot... the first and only time that my ex-wife have use a professional due to problem in our couple, she have sleep with him... so, i will never trust again one of these b@stard.

[viking]

... home cat don't wish eat the new cat-food, make a appointment to the beast psychologue... husband will not buy the new expensive dress, call a lawer...

All these "professional" suck your money and make your life more difficult...

Experience !!! Not a lot... the first and only time that my ex-wife have use a professional due to problem in our couple, she have sleep with him... so, i will never trust again one of these b@stard.

LMFAO. Especially the cat. Bruno you are great.

Viking

[SANDRO43]

In Catholic countries, you can rely on the free counselling services offered by your parish priest in his confessor role. Of course, the free advice you receive is not exactly Freudian, but considering that shrinks remain silent for most of their sessions and let patients blab on and on, an equivalent cathartic effect is obtained :

(You'll feel better if you get it off your chest. Only caution : check first that he's not some Savonarola-like type, otherwise your session might be VERY uncomfortable ).

[Jet]

When you look at profiles, many ladies seem to be in this profession, not that they can get jobs working at this profession, but they study it.

A well known psychologist on the *other* message board once confided "Any psychiatrist/psychologist/psychotherapist that tells you they got into the practice for any reason other than to fix themselves first, it a lying sack of sh!t!". So perhaps it's another criteria to help seperate out undesirable long term partners  :noidea:

My wife's take on the subject goes as follows:
"In order for one of these 'head doctors' to have any chance to be effective at all, you must first admit to this stranger (and yourself) that you have a weak mind that is easily manipulated..."

For better or worse, Russians don't like to admit to being inferior in any way, and God forbid  the doctor might come back with the analysis that some part of the problem, no matter how small, is their *fault* 

[KenC]

My wife Lena also studied to become a  psychologist in Russia and has a very open mind to the subject.  She was working with drug rehab while finishing her studies and had an open invitation to work for a prestigious center in Moscow.  One of her best friends here is a Ukrainian gal with a PHD in psychology.  But the Russian culture is rife with paradox's on this topic.  They tend to think that seeing a psychologist is a no no, but it is OK to follow all the crazy and illogical superstitions passed on by their Babushka.  Huh?  And don't even go into astrology! :noidea: My personal opinion is that for most of their past history Russians had to be concerned about the "basics" for life: food and shelter.  There was no thoughts about much beyond that and certainly no extra rubles to cure any slight psychological malady.  They accepted that Ivan down the hall was goofy and that was the way he will always be.  Unfortunately, mental health is looked upon as a luxury and my guess is that when and if Russia ever gets a strong economy, more people will use  psychologists.  Or maybe money just makes you crazy? :noidea:
KenC

[SANDRO43]

Mmmm ... maybe we should try a new strategy (we're always considering new angles to attract more tourists to Italy ).

New psycho package tours to Rome !
See the historical treasures,
and visit the Vatican for a free confession !!!

[Albert]

Sandro, one Catholic church is already ahead of you.  The have a drive-in confessional service.  The sign at entrance says:  Toot and tell, or go to hell.

[Daknack]

Russian, not only the women, keep problem in the family and resolve them ( when it is possible ) in the family... Why a russian will tell personal problem to a unknow individual when the family council or some elder relative babouska are ready to help for counselling ?

In our post modern western society, we need the extern counselling help because we are individualist, value of family is almost non existant... America have the reputation in Europe to be the country of the extreme... children too much actif, no problem, US parents use some drug for calm them down in place of use some time with children... depression, no problem, let's go the Prozac generation... home cat don't wish eat the new cat-food, make a appointment to the beast psychologue... husband will not buy the new expensive dress, call a lawer...

All these "professional" suck your money and make your life more difficult...

Experience !!! Not a lot... the first and only time that my ex-wife have use a professional due to problem in our couple, she have sleep with him... so, i will never trust again one of these b@stard.

I agree with Bruno...  Ive known many people that have gone through marriage consultation crap.  Even I did.  Never again.  If my wife started seeing one I would file divorce papers that day.  They do nothing but wreck and destroy marriages and relationships.  The things that are said to these people are used against you in court, and many are ardent liberal feminist man haters.  Divorce fast and hard in this case is the only way you can damage control against them.  Without   Ive worked with plenty of them in my time (Worked at a mental hosp when I was a teen) and most of them have severe mental issues.  They get into the game because they want to know what is wrong with themselves.  When people tell me they are a shrink my opinion of them goes down like the damn Hindenburg.  I rank them up there with Lawyers, Real Estate Agents, and used car salesmen in terms of sleazyness.

[SANDRO43]

Sandro, one Catholic church is already ahead of you.  The have a drive-in confessional service.  The sign at entrance says:  Toot and tell, or go to hell.

Damn, I was about to file an application with the Italian Patent Office . Where is that inventive priest located ? We might share .

[catzenmouse]

First I want to thank all that have contributed to this thread.

 I did the marriage counselling thing in my first marriage. The guy was a first class nutcase! My ex loved him. When her parents were having problems she got her sisters involved and wanted him to fix everything. Personally I thought he was a first class @sshole. Very full of himself and very sure that he was perfect in every way. I called him "Ed-MyGodImPerfect" New####" Found out that a few months after we were there he had a nervous breakdown and ended up in an institution.

 A couple of years back I did some volunteer work with addiction groups and it was really very interesting. Of course, the only ones that did well were the ones that truly wanted to. The rest ended up right back where they were before. I actually learned a great deal while I was doing this. Also worked with some anger management groups with the same results. Was probably one of the best things I have ever done. Felt good to help as well as learning a great deal about myself.

Ken