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Darth Vader

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How to AVOID and RUN from Professional Daters at Agencies
« on: October 06, 2006, 09:56:41 AM »
In a Trip Report Jim is making on his first trip to Ukraine, it appears that he ran into a Professional Dater.  I had offered to PM him some tips to avoid such a girl in the future.  But a couple of other guys, and Dan, asked me to share that PM with the gang at RWD. So I'll do it.

The experiences were just my own, and the ideas of how NOT to do what I did are my own.  Others can agree or disagree, or hopefully, add to my list.

Here goes...

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Re: How to AVOID and RUN from Professional Daters at Agencies
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2006, 10:10:28 AM »
I admit it.

I did date a couple of professional daters (PDs) during my search. 
Here are some ideas on how to avoid my mistakes,
and how to detect such a girl if you screw up, and do go and see her.


HOW TO AVOID PDs:
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TIP # 1:  Choose a good agency.  The agencies that "look" best
on the internet are likely
using scammed money to build a better site, with more whistles and bells
and with girls that all have that Hollywood look.  They often employ a technique
called the TOP 100 list or Most Popular list to drive clients to their PDers.  So the
first tip is simple--go with the smaller agency that has fewer girls and has pics
of girls that are are non-professional.  And an agency that will allow you to have
the girls phone # and email address.

TIP # 2:  Avoid the girls listed at the top of the list.  Sure, they look the hottest.
But many of these girls play a special role for the agency.
Guys write to them, or at least they think they are.  The agency makes big bucks,
sometimes $5 per letter, from you and you write her frequently.
But in reality,the girl is a PD whom you will only see if you make the trip
to the FSU to meet her.
In the meantime, your letters go to a terp that handles ALL of her
letters.  So in all probability, you are writing a surrogate!
PD's won't give you their mobile or home number or private
email, but hide behind agency rules that "protect" them.

TIP # 3:  Look at your picture.  Look at her picture.  She is a "10."  And she is
"into you?"  LOL
She says she loves you, yet has not met you?
Are you an 8, 9 or 10?  If not, she is likely a PD.  A beautiful girl
can land an equally attractive, and affluent man.  She will not go too far down
the ranking for you.

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HOW TO DETECT IF THE GIRL IS A PD WHEN YOU GET THERE
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The scam reaches defcon 2 when you buy a "trip" from
the agency to visit the girl you have been writing. Most trips, like the one sold
by Confidential Connections in Ukraine, cost the guy from $1000 to $3,300 for the week and includes airport pickup, hotel, terp and unlimited meetings with your chosen girl (the PD).

Only now does the girl does become directly involved with your "case."  She is briefed by the agency on the things you have "talked about" together
and about you as a person.  She'll meet you at the airport and
will look like a million dollars.  In all likelihood she is married to
a local guy, so now she is operating as an actress.  She does this frequently, so she is very good at holding your hand, flirting with you,
gazing into your eyes as you make the
drive from the airport to the hotel.
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TIP # 1:  You have written this girl for months.  You have sent her flowers
and other gifts.
She has told you in emails that she loves you.  You expect her to sleep with you and even paid for her breakfast in your package.
But she goes home early the first night, say 9 p.m., and pecks you on the cheek.  She tells you she will see you at noon, but will show up at 1:30 or so.  You spend the night thinking  of her and are all alone most of the next day.  Finally, she shows up and you have lunch and she takes you to see a tourist attraction.  She begs off at 8 with a headache.  The routine
is followed all week long, and you are miserable and kick yourself for not having a backup plan.  But she is so pretty and she showed such affection for you in your letters, so you stay the course.  But it does not get better...

TIP # 2:  She takes you shopping.  You buy her jewelry and clothes to try to win her over. Yes, you get your first real kiss! But it cost you
several hundred more dollars.  PDs make
their money off such shopping trips.  Many have an "arrangement" with the store whereas they return your gifts after you leave for money.

TIP # 3:  You have not made love to her. She has come to your hotel room and you have made out with her.  But she stops you before you can go all the way with her by telling  you that she is a good girl.  Interesting....she seems to "be into" you but she will not make
love to you. It's the fifth day of your seven day trip,
and you know that most FSU girls will
make love to you about this time if they truly are crazy about you and see a future with you.
Warning:  PDs will only kiss you.  One step more than prostitutes.  But no further.  You are business to them, NOT a man they are attracted to.

TIP # 4:   She takes you to look at engagement rings,
even thought engagement is not a FSU
concept.  You notice that the rings are more expensive than in the US. 
You know that these
girls only make about $250-$300 a month. How can rings cost $3000?  They don't-- it's a special price, just for you. :-)

TIP # 4:  She keeps making excuses why you can't meet her family.  Her mom is out of town and her dad does not like Americans. Or her father is very ill.  The list is endless, but the  bottom line is that you don't meet her family.  his is a good sign that she is a PD.
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As I said, I did this agency gig with top 10 girls twice.  I even made a second trip back to meet one of the girls, who when to defcon 1 with me by giving me her home #.  She kept trying  to route her around the agency for emails, but she refused.  She knew who her long term
source of income was-- the agency.  Finally, I got smart and had a Private Eye investage her.
Turns out she was married! 
Just now, I took a look at her old agency.  She is still the # 1 out of 1000 girls there, and is HOT as ever.

The other girl I did an agency visit with was a ritual stranger to me, even though we had exchanged over 100 letters in 4 months. But my terp seemed to know everything about me... hmmm....
This time I did have backups, and I dumped this beauty after the first day, and just had fun dating hot girls from the agency all week.  Later on, a friend of mine married a girl from the agency.
She told him this girl had never written a single letter and was getting married to a UA man.
But she was glad to spend a week with an American stranger who thought she loved her, because the gifts were really nice.

So there you have it: 3 tips for not getting involved with PDs in the first place,
and 5 tips to help you
confirm she is a PD in case you do make the trip to meet her.

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What does it mean? 

***If you are an experiences traveler, don't use an agency.  If not, use a smaller and honest agency.  And don't go for ONE GIRL but write to lots of agency girls. 

***Don't write for months, a real girl will want to find our more about you          quickly.  Go within a month of writing her.

***Don't bother with a top ranked girl.  Most of the girls in the FSU are beautiful,   so drop down the list a bit and you'll be more successful.

Good luck!  As for me, I found my girl after 2 years of searching.  And guess what?

She is not only beautiful, but honest and loving as well. ;D
« Last Edit: October 06, 2006, 10:27:07 AM by Darth Vader »

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Re: How to AVOID and RUN from Professional Daters at Agencies
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2006, 10:12:46 AM »
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Defcon 1, you ask?  Never got that far, thank goodness.  But the real fool is so obsessed with his beauty queen of a PD, that he is convinced he can win here over, even though he knows she is a PD.  Defcon 1 occurs when you marry her and bring her to the US and she destroys you.  The stories of guys in other strands shows what happens when a woman does not love the man but come to the US for financial gains.  Very sad.
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Re: How to AVOID and RUN from Professional Daters at Agencies
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2006, 10:34:16 AM »
You forgot the golden rules.
1. Don't deal with agencies who don't show current address, phone number and owners contact information on their site. If they don't have a office listed in the city where your lady is located don't use them.
2. Don't deal with agencies who refuse to give you a current dated photo of the ladies..
3. Don't deal with ladies who ask for money.
4. Don't offer or send money to a photo. Meet the girls first. (flowers/candy are OK).
5. use your credit card when possible for fraud protection.
6. Avoid girls you meet on free sites that suddenly have an agency involved. (baiter's).
7. Don't pay more thinking you can buy a lady.  They are not for sale.

*** Always ask others about an agency and avoid those too good to be true letters. ***

Hope this helps also.

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Re: How to AVOID and RUN from Professional Daters at Agencies
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2006, 10:37:36 AM »

  They often employ a technique
called the TOP 100 list or Most Popular list to drive clients to their PDers.  So the
first tip is simple--go with the smaller agency that has fewer girls and has pics
of girls that are are non-professional.  And an agency that will allow you to have
the girls phone # and email address.


Sounds logical. Some agencies, with a top women's list gives more eposure to the women that makes them the most money are are least likely to get married and remain at the site to rake in the dough.

Darth, do you have a link and name to that #1 woman who is married so we could warn future posters? If you have an investigative report on that women, maybe you should send it to the anti-scam websites so they could help prevent guys from wasting money and time with her.

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Re: How to AVOID and RUN from Professional Daters at Agencies
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2006, 10:45:38 AM »
Sounds logical. Some agencies, with a top women's list gives more exposure to the women that makes them the most money are are least likely to get married and remain at the site to rake in the dough.

Darth, do you have a link and name to that #1 woman who is married so we could warn future posters? If you have an investigative report on that women, maybe you should send it to the anti-scam websites so they could help prevent guys from wasting money and time with her.


Sorry, but no.

One night on the phone this girl came clean and told me the agency had threatened her and there was an enforcer who would beat her if she ever left the agency.  Who knows if it's true.  At that time I really thought she cared for me, and it broke my heart.

But this is not my fight.  There is a real criminal element in the FSU, and I'm not picking a fight with them. My girl has family back in Ukraine, and that could put them at risk if I start a fight with that bad agency.

For guys who want to avoid her, just don't date any girl in the top 5 in any agency.  That works, too.
« Last Edit: October 06, 2006, 10:47:11 AM by Darth Vader »

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Re: How to AVOID and RUN from Professional Daters at Agencies
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2006, 12:13:26 PM »
Some agencies don't have a list of "top" women. So I guess one would have to use their best judgement. It's important not to lose focus of what's real or fantasy.

What's your opinion on this woman Darth? Is she sincere, marriage minded and family oriented? Does she have skill to get immediately emplyoment in the States based on current work skills? Hint: look at the type of pole she's holding. In one of her photos, what's that gun on the floor for?

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Re: How to AVOID and RUN from Professional Daters at Agencies
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2006, 03:40:01 PM »
What's your opinion on this woman Darth? Is she sincere, marriage minded and family oriented? Does she have skill to get immediately emplyoment in the States based on current work skills? Hint: look at the type of pole she's holding. In one of her photos, what's that gun on the floor for?

http://www.mydearwoman.com/d.cgi?5857P8876816271.227.178.1281160155558


Oooooooh . . . I'm busted! You figured out why I keep mentioning Rostov!  ;D

The zero-g tatas are a nice touch, too.  ::)

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Re: How to AVOID and RUN from Professional Daters at Agencies
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2006, 04:50:23 PM »

 If they don't have a office listed in the city where your lady is located don't use them.


Thats a tall order Kevin. Many agencies will have out of town girls who may have been procured by an agent and/or otherwise be totally honest.

Surely it would be better to look for verification of the women in some shape or form?

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Re: How to AVOID and RUN from Professional Daters at Agencies
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2006, 06:46:38 PM »
Nothing wrong with working your way through college!
Your Mom is so dumb that she tried to minimize a 12 variable function to a minimal sum of products expression using a karnaugh map instead of the Quine-McCluskey Algorithm.

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Re: How to AVOID and RUN from Professional Daters at Agencies
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2006, 09:29:06 PM »

What's your opinion on this woman Darth? Is she sincere, marriage minded and family oriented? Does she have skill to get immediately employment in the States based on current work skills? Hint: look at the type of pole she's holding. In one of her photos, what's that gun on the floor for?

Mama Mia!  That girl is smoking hot, BillyB!!!

Yes, I think she can make a good living in the US and has the skills to work at FlashDance in NYC the minute she arrives!

But hey, if she wants to bring her gun, she'll have to come to Texas, where she can legally tote it :-)

Duh...I forgot about the sincere part and family part when I saw her on that pole  ;D

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Re: How to AVOID and RUN from Professional Daters at Agencies
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2006, 09:55:15 PM »

Mama Mia!  That girl is smoking hot, BillyB!!!


Darth,

You just proved how hard it is not to fall in love with a photo and stay focused on how to avoiding pro daters. You had your head on straight until you saw that girl. LOL. Remember the topic you started? Use your big head!!! Many a men's brain goes to sh!t when they see a woman like that. That woman said in her profile "I want all my creative plans to come true (and I’ve got lots of them)." Can you read "High Maintence"? There's no doubt in my mind that woman could suck your wallet dry and suck a golf ball through 50 foot of garden hose.




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Re: How to AVOID and RUN from Professional Daters at Agencies
« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2006, 06:49:17 AM »
You just proved how hard it is not to fall in love with a photo and stay focused on how to avoiding pro daters. You had your head on straight until you saw that girl.
Ha!  Very funny, BillyB  :D

I did fall in love with several pics in my day...but never with a pole dancer :-)   Even for me that would have been a red flag.

But bathing suits and mini-skirts never stopped me  LOL

But I'm safe now-- my woman keeps a pretty close eye on me :-)

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Re: How to AVOID and RUN from Professional Daters at Agencies
« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2006, 07:17:39 AM »
You know, you could always put a pole in your living room as a birthday or anniversary present...   ;)

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« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2006, 12:06:43 PM »
Good posting and good info Vader. This higlights examples of the dangers of the FSUW scene. Of course, with good discretion, a super FSU can be found, and that is the true reward.....

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« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2006, 01:17:06 PM »
Indeed, greed does not improve a woman's looks. It is one thing to have money for a good and stable life. It's another thing to demand the non-necessities of life.
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« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2006, 06:23:20 PM »
Once again, great info in this posting that is still VERY relevant.

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Re: How to AVOID and RUN from Professional Daters at Agencies
« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2006, 09:18:51 PM »
If I may add my experience, I would point out that all not all pro-daters  work through agencies, in fact there are varying degrees of this lady out there.
I have not used an agency much but even so, I have run across a few myself.
Some are just looking to get something ...yet they really are interested in the guy too.
There are more than a few RW who feel it is the guys place to "prove" he is serious and often that means as a "provider".

Here is the hard part; what do you do when you meet the lady you have been writing to for weeks or months and she starts to put this "shopping trip" pressure on you?
 Maybe you had plans to spend the week together and now you realize she is corraling you into shops to buy stuff. This has happened to me. The sales lady is showing the item to your lady and they both look at you with a look that says "will you buy it please".
 Rule number one, don't ever let yourself be put in that position. If you have a girl who obviously taking you in those shops so that you feel compelled to buy her stuff, you simply are being Used, at least for the short term and maybe longer, if you are desperate enough to marry her.
You have to find the strength to say "NO".
 If you don't have the balls to put a stop to it go to plan "B".

Plan "B" is when you wind up in those places, usually multi-department stores, head to the other part of the store. Do not follow her. Act like there are things you want to see and basically avoid her, it's not likely she will chase you down.
 Do not go near the sections she will shop in. She will get the "unspoken" message from you. Eventually she will approach you and greet her with these words "Are you ready to go?"

I have heard of guys literally Spending thousands of dollars on a girl he has only known for a day or two. I got fleeced once for $50. worth of make-up, actually I told her I wanted to buy her some lipstick to match her coat, somehow, we ended up in one of those little Boutiques and one tube multiplied into 3 with purfume. I never bought lipstick before, I thought it was going to be like 15 or 20 bucks. I paid for it rather than embarrass her but when we got outside, I laid into her about it. This girl was like a level 1 pro-dater, she was really looking for a guy but I got the feeling she knew I was not crazy about her so she was trying to get some goodies while she could, unfortunately she did not get much more than the make-up, and the few gifts I brought her.
 It is my personality to being much more generous to a lady who does not expect it, I tend to recoil at anyone who acts Like I owe them something.

So I believe it is very possible to find yourself in the company of a girl that is looking for gifts even if you don't use an agency. It is best to work out a plan on how to tactfully separate yourself from her.
I have only run into two of them, the next one,  I simply walked outside of a shop and acted like my phone rang, I faked a conversation and then told her I had to return home early. I put her on a train back to her city and she was gone and I tried to salvage my remaining time.

Even more than loosing your money .... the time you will waste with her will be more costly.
Get away from her anyway you can and meet some other people.
Always have a Back-up plan.


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Re: How to AVOID and RUN from Professional Daters at Agencies
« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2006, 09:44:12 PM »
This would be very good to put in the faq section.
Sound advice for all newbies and some oldies.

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Re: How to AVOID and RUN from Professional Daters at Agencies
« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2006, 01:53:19 AM »

I have heard of guys literally Spending thousands of dollars on a girl he has only known for a day or two. I got fleeced once for $50. worth of make-up, actually I told her I wanted to buy her some lipstick to match her coat, somehow, we ended up in one of those little Boutiques and one tube multiplied into 3 with purfume. I never bought lipstick before, I thought it was going to be like 15 or 20 bucks. I paid for it rather than embarrass her but when we got outside, I laid into her about it. This girl was like a level 1 pro-dater, she was really looking for a guy but I got the feeling she knew I was not crazy about her so she was trying to get some goodies while she could, unfortunately she did not get much more than the make-up, and the few gifts I brought her.
 It is my personality to being much more generous to a lady who does not expect it, I tend to recoil at anyone who acts Like I owe them something.


Three lipsticks and a little perfume for 50 bucks? - that's cheap.  I think she went easy on you.  :o

 

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