Are Russian/Ukrainian women really the best?

[PeeWee]

At the recent beauty contest (miss world or miss universe?), Ms. Chez Republic won.  But Miss USA was in the top four.  So yes, indeed, the USA has some of the world's most beautiful women.

I do think young FSU girls are very attractive, mostly because of dress. Better in bed?  I'd say yes 

Are they really the best?  I'd say no.  It depends on the girl and the man.   The country has little to do with it.

I find this out now that I'm living with an FSU girl (who is wonderful in every way). 

But I truly believe it is her personality and not her country that makes her great.

I was thinking about this just today, Angelo. I had dated a RW who was at one time a Miss Russia of some sort. In two internation contests she won both times. According to the judges she was the most beautiful and she was Russian. But it means nothing because, as you say, the next time the Czech woman wins and the next time the American wins. All it serves to prove is that at that given point in time the winner was the best. Like a hired gun. Only the best until someone better comes along. All women can be beautiful, regardless of where they live. I don't think any one country has the corner on that market.

Peewee

[wiz]

BC, yes, of course you are right that (except for rape) consent is mutual.  However, you missed or ignored the specific but subtle points that Wiz made:   ". . . in the West women make the decision to have sex with us or not where in the FSU I was told the man make the decision and is accepted by the women as normal practice . . ."

Albert you are spot on on my message.

Before starting visiting the FSU countries I have met here in the UK a few FSU women and the pattern was the same. After 2-3 meetings we will go to bed, but It was the way that it happened. One of them I remember she told me as a matter of fact: " I expect you want to have sex with me so why not! In my ears that sounded like: Well I have to have sex with you because that is what you expect so I might as well , let go and do it!

I am not a prude or easily shocked, on the contrary, but that sounded like a business deal to me.

Yes I have met plenty women from FSU and their attitude was similar, which gave me the impression that sex is what they know they can offer to a man before looking to any romantic aspects when starting a relationship. Sorry but I have not met the same approach with all other western women I have dated in my life and there were quite a few....... !

Their approach comes across to me as very clinical and business like and not as part of a romantic dating!


As about been good in bed the Majority of them, are used to follow Queen's Victoria of England saying:

" Open my legs and think about England. That is my duty!"

No I have not met many adventurous women in bed from that part of the world and we can only blame the driver's (men)! It is what these women are used to!

[SANDRO43]

Of the few FSU gals I have hopped in the sack with two were into pain, and the pain was mine.

Ever tried regressive hypnosis, Turbo ? You'd probably discover you were Napoleon in a previous life, and are now condemned to return to Russia again and again, and suffer for your previous misdemeanors .

[Turboguy]

That is the most logical thing I ever heard Sandro,  Maybe that is why I don't get sex all the time like Wiz does.  They think I am too short and spend their time wondering why I have my hand in my shirt, or maybe they think the hand in my shirt is me doing something not good.  Maybe it is my hat that turns them off. 

Maybe it is also why they want to torture me when they have sex.   I think you are right and I am heading to the nearest hypnotist.

[wiz]

Maybe that is why I don't get sex all the time like Wiz does. 

I lived on the holiday island of Corfu during my early years Turbo and it is the National sport for young Greek men to see how many women they can have sex during the summer period.

My ex-wife told me at the time that I was very good at this game and she kept a very close eye in my activities, so I was a good boy. The fact is that I could not do anything different due to the fact that the island is very small and everybody knows everybody!

So I had many years of practice in the art of charming the birds and as you know when you learn how to ride a bicycle you never forget!

[Albert]

Wiz says: " I expect you want to have sex with me so why not! In my ears that sounded like: Well I have to have sex with you because that is what you expect so I might as well , let go and do it!

I am not a prude or easily shocked, on the contrary, but that sounded like a business deal to me.  Yes I have met plenty women from FSU and their attitude was similar, which gave me the impression that sex is what they know they can offer to a man before looking to any romantic aspects when starting a relationship. Their approach comes across to me as very clinical and business like and not as part of a romantic dating!"

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This has not been my experience at all with FSU women.  I never once got the impression that it was something they were doing just because they thought it was what I wanted.

On the contrary, FSU women seem (more than other women) to want sex for their own pleasure.  And I find that FSU women are more easily orgasmic than other women.  Don't know quite why this is but I have heard some words from them like: Because of fact that several generations of a family usually live together in a small apartment, the time available for semi-private sex is limited.  Thus the women resign themselves to the idea that there will not be time for a lot of foreplay and they know they must 'get down to business' pretty quickly.

Also, because of the crowded living conditions, distractions and nearness of other people don't bother them as much as it does western women.  Currently, I have regular phone sex (for their benefit) with 3 women in FSU.  All they have to do is go into another room and they can achieve orgasms even when their teenage children and parents are in the adjoining rooms with no doors.  One gal told me that her 16 y.o. daughter told her that her sounds when on the phone with me suggested porno movies.  She just smiled at daughter and said, "Probably so."

Another told me that her dog regularly comes to check on her when it hears her sounds on the phone with me.  The parents meanwhile are trying to call the dog back.

[Rvrwind]

I honestly do not believe any geographic group has 'cornered the market' on passion. It is highly-individualized - and even situational. That is, a person may be extremely passionate one day - and the next, for whatever reason, much less so. Situations can determine, or at least influence, passion levels - in my experience.

I think Dan pretty much nailed it with this comment, pardon the pun.
But just to add to it I think it also has to do with what & how much the woman feels for you. A woman who may be exceptionally passionate with one man may not be so with another.
I believe a lot of it has to do with her feelings at the time of the interaction. Women think with their hearts & I believe that that plays a big role in how she interacts sexually with different partners.

[Albert]

My point is someone that one guy may find the best partner in bed in his life another could find to be terrible.

I kind of doubt this Turbo.  Excepting the pain situation, I think most guys would vote the same for a particular set of women as to who was best and worst in bed.

There are many differences in desired frequencies, most favorite positions, etc. amoung we guys. But given that the individual women were consistent in their behavior in bed, I think we would all rank them about the same.

[Gator]

 Albert wrote,

Currently, I have regular phone sex (for their benefit) with 3 women in FSU.

Does the interpreter enjoy it too?

[jb]

Gator;

 

[Albert]

Albert wrote,
Does the interpreter enjoy it too?

Gator, please try to keep up here!!  :-))  I have stated many times that I only meet with women who can communicate in English.  But then some of the sounds I hear are pretty standard in any language.

[Bruno]

Gator, please try to keep up here!!  :-))  I have stated many times that I only meet with women who can communicate in English.  But then some of the sounds I hear are pretty standard in any language.

And phone sex is the best method for be protected again AIDS... 

[Sohkay]

But you must be careful about the telephone...otherwise you may end up with a baby Bell.

[Bruno]

But you must be careful about the telephone...otherwise you may end up with a baby Bell.

No problem, i like cheese

[Rvrwind]

BRUNO TFF, But I don't think that was the bell he was eluding to, but good one none the less!

[PeeWee]

I have yet to see what one would find so attractive about either phone or computer sex. I suspect that I am in the minority on that subject because I do hear a lot of lads talking about about it.

Peewee

[Gator]

PeeWee,

I agree.

[Turboguy]

computer sex and phone sex might be better than sex with an Amercian woman

[TexasBoar]

I have yet to see what one would find so attractive about either phone or computer sex. Peewee

Computer sex is a drag . . . it's just too damn hard to type left-handed, even if all you're typing is "ooooh baby." 

~Boar

[DKMM]

Interesting thread, seems to be going in all sorts of different directions.  Allow me to add my thoughts to some of the above:

1.)  The best looking women in the world to me are in Brazil.  Next up would be Cyprus.  The best looking woman I ever dated was a French Mexican mix and the 2nd best was a Polish/Italian.  I have seen few women in Russia that matched up to them (lookswise ONLY!).  That said, overall RW are the best looking on average.  I hope that made sense.

2.)  Phone sex is only good with someone you've had real sex with.  In fact, reminding her of those moments together are the only real benefit to engaging in it IMO.

[SANDRO43]

1.) The best looking women in the world to me are in Brazil.

My personal experience is from 30 years ago and so may no longer be significant now, but what struck me as peculiar about the young girls on the Copacabana and Ipanema beaches there was their combination of a girlie face (say 15-16 y.o.) with a full woman's body in tanga, and their easy approachability for a friendly chat (did not try anything further) : they were very inquisitive about life in Europe in general.

A local friend explained that they mature earlier sexually due to the tropical climate. As a matter of fact, I did not see many attractive 30+ y.o. then.
   

[PeeWee]

computer sex and phone sex might be better than sex with an Amercian woman

No way. Computer sex and phone sex would be better than sex with a sheep, but not an AW.

Peewee

[wiz]

Hello boys

I thought that I started this thread talking about the attitudes and habbits to sex in Russia but now I see the thread goes all over the place.

I agree with DKMM that “Phone sex is only good with someone you've had real sex with.  In fact, reminding her of those moments together are the only real benefit”

Of course partners who love each other, at times that they are apart and during their telephone conversations, most of the time they talk about intimate moments because they miss each other and one think leads to another. I think is healthy and keeps the relationship close. To me this is another variation in their sexual life.

[Albert]

I agree with DKMM that “Phone sex is only good with someone you've had real sex with.  In fact, reminding her of those moments together are the only real benefit”

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First, sex in real life is the preferred route, of course.  But when two parties are not together and won't be for several weeks or months, then phone sex comes into play.

Second, phone sex is much more than merely 'reminding her of moments together.'  The purpose of my phone sex with the ladies to help them achieve orgasms through their various masturbation techniques.  True, they can do this themselves whether I call them on phone or not, but all have told me it is better when I am on phone with them.

I talked about phone sex for first time with a woman in St. Petersburg several years ago.  She laughed and thought the idea was ludicrous.  She told me of a movie she saw where a woman was earning extra money engaging in phone sex with men.  The woman was moaning and groaning while all the time doing her knitting.

But, after we parted and had talked on phone a few times; during one phone call I asked her to remember how I had kissed her on lips, and on neck, etc.  Then I talked about how I had pinched her nipples and told her to do the same now.  Then I continued by mentioning all the other things I had done with her and told her to repeat these things.  She did them all and achieved an orgasm.  She was quite surprised and said she had never dreamt it was possible or that she would actually do such when talking on phone.

Later, in messages, I reminded her of how she had thought it was silly when viewed in terms of the woman knitting while talking to sex clients.
She said we all live and learn.

Currently, I have weekly phone calls with 3 FSU women that leads to orgasms for them without fail.  There are generally three themes that are used.  One, I tell them of the kissing and hand routines all over their bodies.  Two, I read them erotic poems.  Three, I read them erotic stories about encounters at beaches, forrests, etc. or having furtive sex in public places like at opera or on metro, etc.

Two of these women are quite creative and have typed up erotic stories and sent to me.  I then read these stories back to them.  As I have posted before, all women I meet are highly educated, professional (not hooker) ladies between ages 35-50.

Based on some of the comments from fellow posters, I see that many haven't the slightest idea of how good phone sex can be for these women.  Stop thinking about phone sex for the benefit of men via the 900 numbers and think about pleasure for your women.  Same when you are with the women; put their pleasure as top priority.  Most of we men have had thousands more orgasms than most women (just counting from ages 13-19 alone), so it is nice to try to help them catch up.

The mother of one of my ladies knows of our phone sex, and has suggested to her husband that he call her from work for some phone sex for her.

[Jumper]

Of course beauty  is very individualistic?
 Largest per capita of truely beautiful women to my tastes ?
(and i tend to be attracted more to darker complected/ dark hair)
Southern Brazil, and of all places,  Iceland.


on attitudes about sex or sexual habirts,,
there are of course differences in the FSU ,
and a different level of acceptence in advertyising, public dress etc...
 but  really i cant imagine too many generalities can be made if you are taking examples from western or european modern city/urban cultures, with regards to some future relationship you might have!
The person will be an individual, and may or may not reflect any cultural generality at all!
so i wouldnt put much effort into determining a cultural "norm," unless you are headed to some *lost culture*  ..
or one already known to be drastically different than you are used to.. 

*shrugs*
likely you are going to date someone from a somewhat similar situation in life and background, even if it is the FSU..(and opf course a bit different)

(as different as it is,, the great GENERAL  similarities are exactly  why the MOB phenomenon even exists?)

you would find greater  differences in cultural sexual behaviour and generalities,, 
from a rural/small town southern  part of the US vs.
up town NYC , or the south chicago projects..