Test

[Coulter]

I would like to suggest a test to all married men here:

Speak with your wife and tell her that you will donate her half of all your assets, wages, house (if without mortage), etc. Then when all the papers are done and legalized, please come back here after say one month and tell us if she is still with you. I have no prejudiced idea about the percentage of the wives who will go away...

But I have one such idea about the percentage of men who will take this "test of love".

[Elen]

Don't scare people, Coulter:? It would weigh on your conscience if sombody catch a heart attack because of just a one thought about such scenario

[Coulter]

Do I have a conscience?

[Coulter]

So guys, no comment?! Do not want to try the test?!
But otherwise how would you know if your lady/fiancée "loves" you for yourself or for your money/support/greencard?!

I see, you prefer to live some years without knowing the answer... Keep going... Be happy...

[stanb4]

And what would giving away your $ prove? That you dont care about their future, that if you die she and your children are out on the street. If that was the case and I was the woman I'd divorce your ass and get 1/2 now. So in other words I guess I won't be taking your 1/2 baked idiotic challenge.

[TigerPaws]

[user=29]stanb4[/user] wrote:

 your 1/2 baked idiotic challenge.

 

Well you got some of it right, Stupid very stupid challenge.

[Elen]

Well is the question about what would your wife get if she ask a divorce according to laws in your state and your marriage contract stupid too?

[Bruno]

Yep, great test... i am not already married with Galina but i can already give a reply...

NOTHING WILL BE CHANGING IN OUR RELATION

Why ? I have no own house, i have no own car, i have only some little spare money ( around six month income, you never know what can happen )... i am not materialist, i enjoy the life each day... i think that the money received by work need to be used now, when your are young... why spare for later, when you will be very old and not more able to enjoy life ( of maybe you will be dead )...

What i can share... my time, my love, my bedroom , our life...

People with low income like me make this "test of love" each day of the life and it is not specialy a problem ... for more rich people, the problem is not to share all with the wife, but find the right wife who love the guys and not a wallet...

It is why i advice a rich man who search a russian wife for hide his financial information... never say that your are owner of Microsoft but say that you work in the informatic sector... that you earn enough for a normal life ( don't speak of your villa, you several trip each year to tropical place ), ... show yourself like a usual man... only so, you can find a woman who love you and not some Gold digger who love your wallet...

[Coulter]

[user=29]stanb4[/user] wrote:

And what would giving away your $ prove? That you dont care about their future, that if you die she and your children are out on the street. If that was the case and I was the woman I'd divorce your ass and get 1/2 now. So in other words I guess I won't be taking your 1/2 baked idiotic challenge.

It would prove that you love her. It would prove that she loves you for yourself and not for your money. You care more about her future by giving her immediately half of your assets, but I see that you want to keep a complete control over her. That is not love. Love is free. With half of your assets, if she does not love you for yourself, maybe she can take the decision to return to Russia to live a decent life... without you.

By the way, you show too much how materialistic you are.

[Coulter]

your 1/2 baked idiotic challenge.

Well you got some of it right, Stupid very stupid challenge.
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Short of an argument, tsss.... Too bad.
Please, only say that you don't have the guts.

[TigerPaws]

Well is the question about what would your wife get if she ask a divorce according to laws in your state and your marriage contract stupid too?

Elen: I have already answered this question in detail, just read through the threads at http://russianwomendiscussion.com/view_topic.php?id=71&forum_id=4&page=1

I do not mind talking about the protections I have in place but be aware that I have a great deal to protect so I have set up an extensively layerd system which may not be for everyone.

 Our prenup is complicated, if my wife were to divorce before three years she would bascially get nothing except the cost for a one way ticket back to Russia. After five years she would be allowed a yearly payment equal to the national poverty level that increases yearly equal to the rate of inflation until my death. Now after 10 years she could take the same deal as the five year plan or a one time only payment of $100,000 dollars. After 15 years the same deal applies as the 10 year plan except the amount is $125,000. After 20 years the amount increases to $150,000 dollars.

 If we stay together until my demise she will have control with certain provisions of my entire estate which will give her a minimum of $750,00 dollars per year in direct payments. Provisions to the estate agreement are updated every 6 months to a year as I see fit but she is aware of what changes I deem necessary to make.

 In the event of children (and we now have a daughter) certain other provisions were made which are to long and complicated to go into here.

 I hope this give you a small idea of what you can do and still feel you are being in some measure fair to your wife to be.

 Additional protections against a court attempting to seize my assets are through extensive use of protected trusts and a number of offshore accounts.

[Elen]

After five years she would be allowed a yearly payment equal to the national poverty level that increases yearly equal to the rate of inflation until my death.

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Oh I see  You said you are married 5 years now didn't you? Such pre-nut is the best cement for marriage with big difference in ages

[Bruno]

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And what if YOU ask the divorce after 5 year of marriage... Do she receive money equal to the poverty level ?

You have plan everything from your side... but what about protection on her side...

Maybe, after 20 year marriage, you begin enough from her, divorce, pay a fee of 200000$ and take again a new one wife very young... very low amount for all the youth time of your ex-wife...

I think that the standart contract of marriage in Belgium is more honest for the wife... all the money or expence ( home, money lean to bank, ... )  earn before marriage and after divorce are personal money... all the money and expense during the marriage are income from the couple and need to be shared equally between the two... Very simple, honest for everybody, ... and you protect all your actual money earned before the marriage...

[Elen]

It's interesting what would she get if you will pass under some suspectial circumstances:cool: 

[TigerPaws]

Oh I see  You said you are married 5 years now didn't you? Such pre-nut is the best cement for marriage with big difference in ages

 

 Cement? No! Elen: We will be celebrating our fifth anniversary in July, actually we have a great time every year on our wedding day. Each year we travel to a new country to be married again in the customs and costumes of that country, we spend quite a lot of time planing the event and have a great deal of fun together making all of the arrangements. Then we enjoy a few weeks in an interesting and exotic location renewing and invigorating our relationship all over again.

 As for why a marrage contract? I will leave it to you to read through the thread I started on this subject, while you (and others) might not like my views on this issue it non-the-less works for me and many, many others. My lady and I are very happy together and barring any unforeseen issues in the future we should be together for many years to come.

[Elen]

A part of your "happinest" was bought with a help of big money And a guestion what is that part in proportion to "true" love will bother you all your life (otherwise you would not make such "smart" pre-nut) The fact is plain - your wife is bound to you in financial aspect and can move nowhere. The will of wives in such marriage are always under doubts.  That's all.

[BC]

Elen,

In all fairness I think it would be quite 'normal' to say that economics plays a role in all relationships in one way or another. It's just a fact of life. Prospective partners do assess the other partners ability to maintain a stable household.  Although not an employed 'breadwinner', my wife certainly contributes to the viability of our household.

"Unconditional" type love is for the most part book material.

[Elen]

Of course it plays , who do argue?

 And the more big money the more its role. It is just a fact of life. Like they say in one our song ( all your Russian and Ukraine wives do know it)

Всё могут короли, всё могут короли

 Kings can do anything

И судьбы всей Земли вершат они порой

And  sometimes they rule sway the destinies of whole Earth

Но что ни говори, жениться по любви

But never mind what you say there

Не может ни один, ни один король

No one king can marry for love:P:P

 

I'm not against pre-nuts at all but a payment equal to the national poverty is not that thing I would take like a prove of my husband's love.

[BC]

I'm not against pre-nuts at all but a payment equal to the national poverty is not that thing I would take like a prove of my husband's love.

Elen,

Yes equal to the national poverty level is not much in the US but might be a good deal if she went back 'home'. Child support if any would probably go on top of that..

'pre nuts' is better than 'peanuts'

After all prenups should not give the woman an incentive to leave the relationship. If a woman is willing to sign prenups with a very rich man she probably does really want to be with him at least as a long term investment. (she will get a lot more if she lives longer than he does and will have quite some time to enjoy it....)

Let's say average woman lives 10 years longer than average man, add age difference of 20 years.. get the picture?

Don't get me wrong I do not have prenups with my wife and don't believe they are necessary in 99 percent of relationships.

[Elen]

Ok I agree with anything and espesially with the fact that a world with pre-nuts and big money is a parallel universe to my world.

And btw where a child will appear after a divorce will depend on a will of rich "father" and his lawers. One more "allient" thing to me :?

[Coulter]

My lady and I are very happy together and barring any unforeseen issues in the future we should be together for many years to come. [/size][/color][/font]

Sure, many years... I guess you were not that sure when signing the prenup. Maybe you would like to change it now that you are so sure about the future:?

But why can't I help thinking about prostitution inside marriage:?... Call girls do this for one day or more, some women can do it for years... isn't it:?

[BC]

But why can't I help thinking about prostitution inside marriage:?... Call girls do this for one day or more, some women can do it for years... isn't it:?

Only the woman will know what her true intent is for agreeing to marry but I'm pretty sure Tiger's wife is enjoying life.  Ask a prostitute if she really enjoys working..  big difference IMHO.

[Bruno]

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But why can't I help thinking about prostitution inside marriage:?... Call girls do this for one day or more, some women can do it for years... isn't it:?
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Coulter, i don't agree with tiger but i think that you go to far with your words... prostitution inside marriage are very strong words... maybe we can say almost the same for us... when the man need to work very hard for offer a good life to wife... generally, the man is the "slave" of woman... they are very good for manipulate us...

And in all case, it is the woman who have the last word... she is free to say "yes" or "no" when you ask her to marry you... the man is not responsible of the reason of woman about marriage... if the woman use the man for his money, she is responsible of her situation...

And what about yourself, we don't know a lot... are you married, from where you are, why are you so hungry about rich American...

Tiger was wrong but with you reply, you are more wrong them him

[TigerPaws]

Ok I agree with anything and espesially with the fact that a world with pre-nuts and big money is a parallel universe to my world.

And btw where a child will appear after a divorce will depend on a will of rich "father" and his lawers. One more "allient" thing to me :?

 Elen it all depends on how the prenup was written and how well the man has protected his assets, if the man is intelligent and hired knowledgeable counsel well before getting married then his assets should be out of the reach of any courts jurisdiciction.

[TigerPaws]

A part of your "happinest" was bought with a help of big money And a guestion what is that part in proportion to "true" love will bother you all your life (otherwise you would not make such "smart" pre-nut) The fact is plain - your wife is bound to you in financial aspect and can move nowhere. The will of wives in such marriage are always under doubts.  That's all.

Elen,

 You place far too much emphases on love to hold a sucessful relationship together, it takes much more over a long time. Trust is earned by both people over many yeras, mutual respect also comes with time, having common interests and life goals as well as the ability to simply talk with each other. A sucessful relationship betwee a husband and wife is a complex entity needing to be nurtured and fed, yes being free from finical worries will go a long way in any relationship but that is but one of many issues that need to be addressed.

 And if you are implying that I am concerned about my ladies motives, you are greatly mistaken. Was I initally concerned when we were first married? Maybe but the protections I had in place we there many years before I began my search for a bride from the FSU. As for the prenup, my father and his father before him also had prenups as I did in my first marrage which saved me more than you can imagine.

 I could if I wanted go back and make canges in our prenup, with my wifes consent by I see no need and neither dose she. Just because some men do not see then need dose not mean that other feel that may need the protections. Each person has to make their own decision baised on the best available information at the time and hat is the each persons own best interests. No one forced my lady to sign a prenup, she was free to say no an walk away, just as no one forces a woman to say yes to a mans proposal, she can always say no.