Asking money for her grandmother.....

[Scorpion]

I know a girl who lives in Kiev. She is not from Kiev, she is a student. Her grandmother lives in Kharkov. We are friends not lovers, I know her for 16 months

She sent me an email today and asked me to call her. I called her and she tells me about her grandmother bad health and says she needs $360 for medicine. Her parents live in a small city. Financially, her parents work hard. make little money.

I would send her the money if I was sure she was telling me the truth

How mnay times have people had this experience and later found out they were lied to?? Maybe some have posted topics about it.

I met her in 2005 and I really liked her character, I went to Kiev again in 2006(summer) and of course Kiev changes people!

I dont know what to do here, I told her I cannot help her because I am not there and I dont know if she is telling me the truth!

I helped her before with her contact lense 4-5 times since 2005, every time only $60

Her brother owns a busy internet center but she told me he cannot help her! She also told me her parents will return the money to me next year!

I dont want the money back I just dont know if she is telling me the truth! Iknow her family is not rich and her brother doesnt help her much!

[SANDRO43]

I met her in 2005 and I really liked her character, I went to Kiev again in 2006 (summer)

Not very clear. Did you meet her first in her home town in 2005 and then in Kiev in 2006 ? Did you meet her family in 2005, granny included ?

and of course Kiev changes people!

And what is this supposed to mean ? For better, for worse ?

Her brother owns a busy internet center but she told me he cannot help her!

And he won't help his ailing granny ? Bit of a bastard, you should hope it doesn't run in the family.

She also told me her parents will return the money to me next year!

And maybe pigs will grow wings and learn to fly

I helped her before with her contact lense 4-5 times since 2005, every time only $60

A normal pair of glasses is too impractical ? $240-$300 already, sounds habit-forming : apparently she's liking the game and raising the ante . Does she look like Jodie Foster ?

[START2]

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[START2]

Scorpion, now look in the main menu and read the 10 commandments. Then try to remember P.T. Barnums famous quote. You already know the answer.

[GregfromGa]

Ask her what kind of medicine she will be needing. I know a Russian doctor that you can write and ask her if it is right. What kind of a relationship did you have with this girl? If you ever plan on seeing her again then thats another thing. Thats a lot of money to just be sending some girl.

[Shadow]

There are some agency owners from Kharkov around here. Perhaps you can ask your friend where the grandmother is staying and they can check this and give the money in person if it is true or send it back if it is not.

[smartcat]

Several years ago I had the some question from an American who randomly knocked to my icq. I lived in Dnepropetrovsk that time, just before I moved to Kiev. He met a lady in Internet who needed $400 for her mom. Mom was in hospital as she was hit by car. He wanted to help too. But wanted to know is it truth.

My advise to him was:  according to her address and closest Deps. of Urgent Care of the hospitals I supposed that she must be in City Hospital #16 on G. Stalingrada street. I told to him to write it to the lady to clarify is this #16. [Unpleasant surprise to a scammer, a victim knows details!!!   ] And to ask the name of a doctor. Department her mom is in. Diagnosis. And to tell her that he has a friend in USA whose relatives are medical doctors in Dnepro. They can come there, bring the necessary medications for mom, pay for any supplies needed, etc.

He did it. Guess, was it any responce?   I heard later by chance that somebody else was hit her mom again... in two months. Other person posted a story in Internet. Poor mom!

In your case, ask in details the situation with grandma. Is she in hospital, which hospital, what is her diagnosis. For start. What she does need - as list of medications, etc. If not in hospital - ask the name of doctors and the hospital she was dealing to. (To get know where these $360 will be spent).

After you get such info you can tell that you have found somebody in Regional (...what's the region of that town, do you know? Kiev region, Vinnitsa or Lugansk region?) Health Department who will get down to clinics of a small town and contacts local docs and will bring and pay all necessary. (If anything was not truth, it's easy to such people of control to find...the girl would not like the idea, of cource! )

[Kvinna]

He did it. Guess, was it any responce?   I heard later by chance that somebody else was hit her mom again... in two months. Other person posted a story in Internet. Poor mom!

oh, my God, and she waited for about 1,5 year, wasting monthes for this long long-letters correspondence to get in the end only 400 bucks? wow
Very profitable business I can see... 25$ per month, should I do the same?
Don't you think, dear, she merely took offence and decided not to answer is all?
Ah, and I have one more question how much have you earned for your advice? Nothing personal. merely want to make right choice what job is more profitable

[smartcat]

1. Kvinna, I described the situation which happened several years ago. Where you calculated "1.5 year" I don't know. I just said that one guy personally asked me  about the mom-hit-by-car. In 2 months after this event other man reported the same mom-hit-by-car-just-yesterday in Internet.
2. Very likely she took an offence, heh! People crying for certain help but not accepting help itself, accepting cash only are always offended.
3. How much I made? How much you paid me personally to read my message? It was the same...

PS. I don't see any reason for this mocking agression from you. If it was your mom "hit" every month and I interfere your business - sooorryyyyy....

[Kvinna]

If it was your mom "hit" every month and I interfere your business - sooorryyyyy....

Oh, yeah, but usually I use not my mom, but yours... every week right, oh mom of Galina was hited, send money to me

[Admin]

Ladies (Kvinna and smartcat),

You are both a bit unusual in that you are posting here at RWD amidst a large number of men. It is nice to have the female perspective - and I think you both have more in common than you may realize.

Maybe if you take the time to get to know one another (exchange a few PM's or emails), you might realize how you can be helpful to one another rather than arguing.

Just a thought.

- Dan

[Shadow]

I know a girl who lives in Kiev. She is not from Kiev, she is a student. Her grandmother lives in Kharkov. We are friends not lovers, I know her for 16 months

Kvinna, I think you did not read this. At least from the side of Scorpion there is no intention of being lovers.
Of course we do not know the correspondence or the other side.

[Kvinna]

Kvinna, I think you did not read this. At least from the side of Scorpion there is no intention of being lovers.
Of course we do not know the correspondence or the other side.

Shad, I didn't even meant what kind of relationship they have.  I meant other thing; I hope you will not deny scammers scam people to get profit... then if she is a scammer and only waited for chance to  scam him, she makes unprofitable job. Because the net profit in this case is too low to consider it as a profit.

[Shadow]

I guess not many looked from that point of view 
But you are right that for a professional scammer the net profit is way too low.

[SANDRO43]

But you are right that for a professional scammer the net profit is way too low.

If she is a scammer, you should consider multiplying those $25/month by the number of OTHER Scorpions in her net. Some scammers go for the big hit, others for a steady flow of small income from multiple sources .

[Kvinna]

If she is a scammer, you should consider multiplying those $25/month by the number of OTHER Scorpions in her net. Some scammers go for the big hit, others for a steady flow of small income from multiple sources .

and cosider then input of multiplied log-letters and long-time correspondence

[viking]

Sandro is right. Some women will spend quite a bit of time with one man to get a few thousand dollars. It's worth their time if they think they have a good sucker. Others will just 'nickel and dime' many men over a long period thinking that $25 here and $50 there is not that big a deal to the man. Meantime they are making hundreds each month.

Smartcat.

Here is something similiar. The woman is in an accident. The man can write that he has a lawyer friend in the area and the lawyer will call her and take care of everything and the man will pay the lawyer. She just needs to give the lawyer 'all the details'. Or the lawyer has an 'escrow' account. (FYI, an account where a lawyer holds money in the mans name for distribution to others for any reason). Just send all the doctor bills to the lawyer and he can pay them for the woman. Works all the time.

[BillyB]

Scorpion,

Save your money for a mate, you can't cure every friendly woman's problems with money. I've seen too many guys who are "just friends" with women get used. These women have lived their lives before meeting you and they can live their lives without your help. You want to be charitable, give to an organization that helps feed people in Africa, those people really need the charity. I think I've lost a contact. Anybody got $60 to send me to replace it? You're getting used Scorpion.

[Michelangelo]

I know a girl who lives in Kiev. She is not from Kiev, she is a student. Her grandmother lives in Kharkov. We are friends not lovers, I know her for 16 months

She sent me an email today and asked me to call her. I called her and she tells me about her grandmother bad health and says she needs $360 for medicine.

Wondering what happened to Scorpion?  And with this style of written English, I wonder where Scorp is from?

Scorp, if you're still around, my advice:
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My answer is a little different than others here.  And it involves some assumptions I will make.

First, my guess is that she is a scammer, maybe a new one just getting "her feet wet."  I don't like the fact that in the past you have sent her money for contacts four times.

What kind of guy are you?  Would you help a friend in your city?   How good a friend is she?

If she is a good friend, hell yes, send her the money.  I'd do the same for a friend, myself.

You say the money is not a big deal to you.  In that case, your risk is diminished.

My wife usually laughs at such stories as yours.  But this time her take was interesting.  She said "maybe she wants more than just to be friends?"  and "This may be a test to see what kind of man he is and if he will be strong for her."

Yet, my brain tells me that it's 90/10 she is taking you for money, and not for her grandmother.  But in my heart, I can see it could be a rare truth, and you should prove yourself. 

Once again, it's your money.  But in my view, she's worth the risk.