New Moscow scammer

[Daytona9]

This one is a scammer....she went online to search my divorce fiile and then wanted money not to post it online.

Beware

Fastdaytona@hotmail.com

[BC]

[user=249]Daytona9[/user] wrote:

This one is a scammer....she went online to search my divorce fiile and then wanted money not to post it online.

Beware

Fastdaytona@hotmail.com

Must have been an 'interesting' divorce..

[Elen]

I thought it's called blackmail but not scammer

Well better not to have sceletons in your wardrobe (or hide them better:P)

[BC]

(man) well I know I wasn't quite 'correct'.....

(woman) well I ain't going to let you s**ew over other women like you did me by lying to me so I'm gonna post and they all will know..

(man) Oh lordy woman... let's make a deal...

That's blackmail?

[Daytona9]

she wanted to stop other woman to contact me.....when I became upset...she wanted money

[Elen]

Why don' t just tell the second woman a true about your divorce or whatelse you do hide there?

[stanb4]

Wow whats going on here, I am agreeing with Elen on this one. 

[Elen]

I think I should start to collect such statements " I am agreeing with Elen on this one" for the case you would proclaim once more I 'm completely OUT of any common sence and any reality with ALL my boring posts

[BC]

When someone hollers 'scam!' in a 'first post' the first question that comes to mind is: who else did she scam?..

Mighty slim 'evidence' so far..

[ConnerVT]

I think I should start to collect such statements " I am agreeing with Elen on this one" for the case you would proclaim once more I 'm completely OUT of any common sence and any reality with ALL my boring posts

Perhaps Dan could install an "Elen-o-Meter" at the top of each page, updated regularly so we know where Elen is on the common sense scale at any particular moment.

[Elen]

come on, come on  Just let decide at first which point you should chose as reference one:P

[TigerPaws]

I think I should start to collect such statements " I am agreeing with Elen on this one" for the case you would proclaim once more I 'm completely OUT of any common sence and any reality with ALL my boring posts

Perhaps Dan could install an "Elen-o-Meter" at the top of each page, updated regularly so we know where Elen is on the common sense scale at any particular moment.
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ConnerVT,

 I LOVE the meter and your idea....

[jb]

I have a BS meter, Elen and kvinna keep it pegged all the time.  Does that count?

[Elen]

No Your BS does not  count:P

[jb]

:D:D

[Fiorella]

If a man lies to one woman he can (and it is highly possibly!) will lie to other ones. We are tired of players who just "forgot" to divorse, who has millions of relatives who die exactly when he planned to visit her and so on. And all these guys MUST be posted in men's black list! This woman did very serious mistake - winn who beat first. So, now she is called a scammer. By the way - we don't see anything that verify the words of this man. Bla-bla-bla.

[Bruno]

if you read her profile... it is writen :

My perception of an ideal relationship:
The most important thing in relationship is honesty ...


If you game with the fire, be ready to some return flame... and explain me how she was able to find your divorce file online...

I have make some search on internet about the US law... only in three case, it is possible to have a copy of the divorce certificat or the divorce record :

- the husband

- the wife

- everybody with a state court order

A law site write :

"Birth, death, marriage, and divorce records (vital records) in USA are not public records. Certified copies of vital records are released to the person named on the record, immediate family, a legal representative, or anyone who can prove a direct interest, such as a named beneficiary or someone who jointly owns property with the person whose record is requested. The record must be necessary for the determination of personal or property rights. Proof of legal representation, direct interest, or written authorization is required if the requestor is not named on the record or an immediate family member."

Sorry guys but i try always find the little detail... Your story is really not credible :?... Maybe you are the scammer... and you try to accuse the woman because she have drop you... :X

Fiorella, maybe you can contact these lady for know his version of story... her full name is Irina Tichomirova and she use the following e-mail address : Irina.cw@mail.ru ... Why you ? You are a russian woman and she go trust you more easy that me... and you speak russian

[Irina68]

Ok, if my enemy started the war I will accept the challenge. I put my info on the Bride.ru in December, 2004. Fastdaytona, as he used to call himself, wrote me and we have a close contact over the net. I received a lot of his wonderful letters full of sincerity and real intentions. I trusted him then and there was no doubt in my heart. My  trustfulness was clear taking into consideration that it was my first experience of dating. But one day he suddenly disappeared... I was very sad and you can imagine what was the reason. It seemd to me I really get close to him. It was unreal to me to understand that he was a player, he seemed a person who could be rely on. I have even  done a voucher for receiving his visa for Russia and have paid my own money $70 for it. Later on  after his silence  in the course of two weeks I began to seek some information of him and I have found something interesting... It was concerned to his shady dealings with American law. I asked him directly but didn't receive an answer. It made me more sure with my guess. I hoped that maybe he has repented his misdeeds, I still tended to forgive him then. But he was disappointing me more and more. After all he began to threaten me. I can quote only a little: - in russia can buy anything... you shall pay for this mistake...  remember I have more money...  never try to come to america...  and I will make it true for europe also... with a little money....you will regret everything.... I have your photo and address.... remember I am criminal... I can go far in russia....

 

[Bruno]

Welcome to the forum Irina... and sorry about the context who have send you here...

If i good understand you, it was nothing to do with divorce file ( who is not a public record ) but with criminal record who are public...

 
Hey ... Daytona, where are your evidence... i remember you the rule of these forum :

Please be very circumspect about posting in this section. Also be prepared to defend your claims of scamming activity. While I feel that identification of scammers is a worthwhile service to readers of the board, I am also sensitive to the possibility that some people might interpret innocent behaviors as scamming activity directed at them.

In summary, I want the board to provide a service to the members to help identify potential scams and scammers. I also want to be entirely fair to everyone and insure there are no false allegations of scamming activity without sufficient evidence.

I think that the result of your attack will be to show yoursel like a scammer... you will be our first man scammer :X... WELCOME TO OUR SCAM LIST ... both woman and man are welcome

[TigerPaws]

[user=16]Bruno[/user] wrote:

"Birth, death, marriage, and divorce records (vital records) in USA are not public records. Certified copies of vital records are released to the person named on the record, immediate family, a legal representative, or anyone who can prove a direct interest, such as a named beneficiary or someone who jointly owns property with the person whose record is requested. The record must be necessary for the determination of personal or property rights. Proof of legal representation, direct interest, or written authorization is required if the requestor is not named on the record or an immediate family member."



Sorry Bruno but the vast majority of information about people in America is public record and readily available if you know where to look. As for the information being available in the internet it all depends on the city, county or state as to if they post the information or if you have to go in person to look through the records. Birth, death, marrage, divorce, criminal, civil, property ownership and so many other records are readily available to anyone who wants to know damn near anything about anyone. A person dose not need the permission of the person they are interested in because the information is a public record.

 Sorry but once again you do not know what the Hell you are talking about.

[Bruno]

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Sorry but once again you do not know what the Hell you are talking about.
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And you, you need to learn read... it is not my words but texte that i have copy and paste from a internet site owned by a lawer who work at the state court of justice in Texas...

Maybe these American lawer don't know the american law and you are better that him...

From a gourvernemental site : http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/misc/w2w02-23-05.pdf

You can read that for obtain a divorce record, you need :

- Full name of husband and wife

- Date of divorce of annulment

- Place of divorce of annulment

- Type of final decree

- Purpose for which copy is needed

- Relationship to persons whose record is requested

How can a woman living in russia have all these information ???

If you read the rest of the document, you have the cost and place for each place in US...

Now, if you have read the post of Irina, you have can read that it was about criminal record... something really different...

A little more from someone who know nothing... you need to make a difference between divorce record and divorce index freely who are on the internet... the record is the full act of divorce and you cannot find it on internet... you can command it only if you have some relationship... in the index, you find only basic data...

If have crack the database from the NCHS ( national center for health and stastistic )for the divorce in texas in 2002... sorry, i don't wish to pay 9.00$ for each record... below, a copy from the begin of the very big file... more of 2.5 mb in texte mode ...

034111     AARON DAMON L                   30      STEPHANIE D                     29      01     08/02/1994     04/16/2002     014     BELL          
126067     AARON DANNY L                   24      SALINA G                        24      02     11/11/2000     11/15/2002     057     DALLAS        
105310     AARON EDDIE                     67      EZELLA M                        54      00     08/19/1998     10/03/2002     014     BELL          
006717     AARON EVERETT L                 49      PAMELA G                        46      01     08/31/1974     01/17/2002     101     HARRIS        
106509     AARON JOE M                     54      LISA J                          42      00     12/28/1992     09/24/2002     243     WICHITA       
154101     AARON JOHN E                    30      LAURA E                         28      00     08/26/1995     08/30/2002     021     BRAZOS        
004184     AARON PHILLIP D                 39      CARLA J                         35      00     02/16/1999     01/14/2002     111     HOOD          
134283     AARON RICHARD A                 34      ROSEMARY                        34      00     07/17/1993     10/16/2002     220     TARRANT       

For understand the data, read in order : file number, husband's name, husband's age, wife's name, wife age, number of children under 18, marriage date, divorce date, county code, county name....

really not a lot of information for a russian woman...

It is not because i am not American that i don't know what i say... i control always my source... and your "once again" ... the previous time, i have prove that i have right and publish several links from official website of gourverment... before open your big mouth and say that i know nothing, inform us about your source...

[wxman]

Irina, I'm sorry to hear about your ordeal. No one should be threatened or treated that way. It will be good to hear both sides of the story, if this does continue, but I also understand that it is a private matter and not enjoyable for either to have to take it to this point. 

The newspapers publish just about every week those who were married and those who were divorced. Just like all outer court cases. They do not publish the details on settlements etc. I'm not a lawyer and have not inquired about such cases, so I know little on whether or not I could obtain such info, but I know at least the fact that they are officially published in newspapers.

[TigerPaws]

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Sorry but once again you do not know what the Hell you are talking about.
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It is not because i am not American that i don't know what i say... i control always my source... and your "once again" ... the previous time, i have prove that i have right and publish several links from official website of gourverment... before open your big mouth and say that i know nothing, inform us about your source...

  And again you prove my point, you do not know what the Hell you are talking about, read what I said in my post about this, these matters are public record which is available to everyone in many states, that dose not mean all states. Unlike your small country here in America each state makes up their own rules about what information and how such information is made available, it is called STATES RIGHTS and is guarenteed by our constitutation.

[TigerPaws]

A little more from someone who know nothing... you need to make a difference between divorce record and divorce index freely who are on the internet... the record is the full act of divorce and you cannot find it on internet...This information is fully available and free in California, Nevada, Oregon, Washington, Hawaii and Idaho, ANYONE can access this kind of information, like I said it is up to each state to make their own rules on such things. you can command it only if you have some relationship... in the index, you find only basic data...

[Elen]

Well WHAT's that way for Russian woman (who doesn't leave Russia yet) to find out 100% proves her american fiance has not some "forgotten" wife in America?