Why won't Albert just go away

[Albert]

There has been a long discussion about me in the Travel Reports section under "Fall Ukraine Trip."  The discussion is off the topic of that trip report so I am starting a new thread here.  However, to see the complete comments that I am responding to, you will need to read them there.

Fellas, how can we have any logical discussions here when some you keep making off the wall comments that just make no sense.  Then, even worse, others pick up on your comments and start passing them around like it was me that said or did these things.  Then newbies read what is being said, and for all they know, I said them.

I know many of you wish I would just go away, because cognitive dissonace can really hurt.  But only Dan can send me away.

e.g.

1)  "Maybe I'm not all that picky, but I haven't found the need to test sexual compatability 100+ times to find an adequate match."

So where did I say I was testing sexual compatibility to find an adequate match?

2) "but there are clear differences with the women you prefer to run with and the women other guys prefer to run with."

Who can say this?  You would have to be with both women to know.  And a woman can act entirely differently with two different men.

3)"You claim to have been sexually active with 150 women, give or take, and can't find a single one to commit to?"

Maybe Jet claimed this (for me), but I never claimed it.  So where did you get it?  And where did I say that I couldn't find a single one to commit to?  And where did I say I was even looking for a commitment?

4) "The phone sex subject came up because you brought it up and of course you had to know you  were going to get different opinions. Is that a requirement of the ladies before you commit to visit them?"

Billy, you knew this question was ludicrous as you were typing it.  So why did you post it?  And when I spoke of phone sex, did you note whose benefit the phone sex was for?  It is strictly for the benefit of the women.  So if it is for their benefit, why would I insist that they agree to it?

5) Jet quotes one of my posts:  "I have been so kind and to buy dildoes to give to some of my continuing girlfriends so that they could use them to keep the canal open."

Despite my word 'continuing,' Turbo sees fit to state: "I can just imagine the look of happiness on a girls face when you meet her at the airport for the first meeting and hand her a dildo. . . . Passing out dildos to gals you have known a day or two just,  well I don't know what it just.  I could not find words."

Despite fact that Turbo knows the difference between 'continuing' and 'first meeting' he still decides to make the post.

6) "You have made love to 40-100 FSUW and have not yet found the one who makes you really happy, someone to focus on."

Where have I said I am trying to find (found) someone?  Unlike some, I do not feel I have a 'wife vacancy' postion (KenC's wording) that needs filled in X period of time.  I am  the normal guy here.  Normal guys do not go on dates thinking about marriage.  Look at Dan's 9th commandment:  "Treat international dating the same as dating someone from your home country."

7) "You say you are committed."

I did not say that.  In response to Billy, I said: "I can commit."

" . . . you went on a sex binge afterwards to reaffirm your confidence.  But a binge usually lasts for a year or two at most, particularly if you are in your mid 50s.   Something ain’t right."

I have not gone on a sex binge.  I am the normal guy here with respect to sex.  Yes, something ain't right . . . but it's not with me.

9) "If he contacts gals and says.  Hey I am a nice guy and am looking for a sex partner, then more power to him."

More ludicrous statements.  Every normal guy from teenager on up is thinking about sex with they make a date with a gal.  But every normal guy knows that he can never say such a thing.  And every normal gal knows a guy is thinking about sex but that he will never say these words.

10) Not in the quoted thread, but related is the idea Turbo has asked before:  "If you tell the gals on first contact that you are not interested in marriage, then OK."

Again, a ludicrous idea.  Forget about FSU and just think for a moment about regular dating in the USA.  You see a new gal somewhere and arrange a date.  At this time or at the beginning of the first date you say to her:  "I am not thinking about marrying you."

I have stated many times here, and Jet quotes me:  "I am not 'looking for a wife' (like one would look for a refrigerator) but am not adverse to marriage."

11) Son of Clyde has hassled me for several years.  But finally he was man enough to 'own up' in his recent post:  "I did not appreciate Albert's bragging about being with 150 women but maybe I was a little jealous too."

Would it be that others would also step up to the plate.

Let me reiterate for the nth time, I am not bragging when I state the number of gals I have dated and been intimate with.  I am telling the numbers so that readers can have an idea of my experience to judge my comments.  To brag about such numbers would be silly in that they are minuscule compared to any real ladies man and I fully realize this.  Others apparently do not realize this.

It would be good if others would tell some numbers about themselves so that we can evaluate their statements when they say "FSU women are like XXXXX with respect to XXXXX."  Many have become such great experts after having married the first FSU woman they met.

[William3rd]

Sounds like rampant sex tourism to me.  >:(The kind of american that is ruining the hunting grounds for the man that is seriously seeking a foreign bride. 

But then- part of that really depends on what is being said to the girl and not what is for public consumption on these boards. ???

Girls are in a marriage agency to find marriage minded men is what I heard. And a lot of the women that i have talked to overseas are tired of sex tourists. 

It is a lot cheaper to go locally for a GFE if you know what I mean.

Normalcy is in the eye of the beholder I imagine

[Turboguy]

Albert!

What I said about meeting a girl at the airport and giving her a dildo was a joke.  I had a hard time typing I was laughing so hard.   I still can't fathom giving a dildo as a present.  Do you gift wrap them and include a little card?  Like I said in my other post, I would have a hard time giving someone I was married to for a long time a dildo unless I knew she was really into that kind of thing and really wanted it and still I would feel like an idiot and I don't consider myself a prude.

Albert, you said:
10) Not in the quoted thread, but related is the idea Turbo has asked before:  "If you tell the gals on first contact that you are not interested in marriage, then OK."

 "Again, a ludicrous idea.  Forget about FSU and just think for a moment about regular dating in the USA.  You see a new gal somewhere and arrange a date.  At this time or at the beginning of the first date you say to her:  "I am not thinking about marrying you."

This is the deal Albert.   If you tell them you are only looking for sex, I have no problem with it.  If you meet your gals in Discos or walking the streets, I have no problem with it.

What I have a problem with Albert, is if you use channels that are designed for men to hunt for a wife for your own selfish purposes or if you mislead them about your intentions.   Tell me Albert, how do you meet your victims?  

The problem with it is this Albert.   You and other sleazy sex tourists make it much harder for those of us who dream of building a happy life.  You drive away good prospects.  You create an aura of mistrust and we all pay a price for your antics.  

Wouldn't it be a lot easier to just go to Amsterdam or Bangkok and you can have a bevy of very inexpensive conquests without making our life harder.  

[Kuna]

I am telling the numbers so that readers can have an idea of my experience to judge my comments. 

I think most people have judged the behaviour but I don't think the comments are posted for a judgement.

Turbo...
You're totally correct.  It all depends on the motives and the approach.  I don't know the background well enough but if any guy uses agencies as a source of new conquests he needs to have a good hard look at himself.  The girls aren't there to find casual sex, they're possibly there because they're sick of casual and want something more.

If men want some casual fun it would be infinitely more honourable to be a real man, and not deceive women just to get sex.

Kuna

[Albert]

Girls are in a marriage agency to find marriage minded men is what I heard.

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And so the misquotes are just going to continue.

No where have I ever said that I contact gals in marriage agencies.  In fact I have said a dozen times or more I NEVER have dealt with a marriage agency.

[Albert]

"This is the deal Albert.   If you tell them you are only looking for sex, I have no problem with it."

So Turbo is going to stick with this silliness.


"Tell me Albert, how do you meet your victims?"

So Turbo has graduated on to name calling.  Who are any of my victims and why are they victums?

I have never spoken of marriage to any of the women I meet.  In what respect are they victums?

And this is from a guy who is older than me dating gals younger than I date.  I am mid 50s and NEVER have contacted a gal younger than 35, and I would prefer those in their 40s.  So who is actually contacting victums?

"You and other sleazy sex tourists  . . . ."

Turbo, you have been reading my posts for years.  You know perfectly well why I travel to other countries of the world.  When I am there, I am just a normal guy. 

[Turboguy]

Ok Albert, tell me this.  How do you meet the girls that you date?

[Albert]

  I don't know the background well enough but if any guy uses agencies as a source of new conquests he needs to have a good hard look at himself.  The girls aren't there to find casual sex, they're possibly there because they're sick of casual and want something more.

If men want some casual fun it would be infinitely more honourable to be a real man, and not deceive women just to get sex.

Kuna

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Kuna, you are totally correct in that you don't know the background.  However, you could find out my background if you read some of my past posts.

But don't you see that you have already formed an opinion about me even though you know nothing.

That is what I am saying that guys read what others post about me and then start repeating it, and then others repeat it, and soon it is taken as the truth.

I HAVE NEVER CONTACTED GALS AT MARRIAGE AGENCIES.

[Gator]

Turbo and William Esquire make excellent points.  

Wouldn't it be a lot easier to just go to Amsterdam or Bangkok.

 

There is a difference.  In Bangkok/Amsterdam, he would feel like a John. He would not get the GFE that he can with a FSUW who believes his Bull$hit that he may marry her.

I have trouble believing that the realtionships are purely for sex.  There are plenty of handsome RM who gladly go to bed with most any RW.

Albert wrote, I am  the normal guy here.  Normal guys do not go on dates thinking about marriage.  Look at Dan's 9th commandment:  "Treat international dating the same as dating someone from your home country."

That would be acceptable if it were 5 or even 10 women.  But your numbers are somewhere between 40-100.  Albert, did these 40-100 women see you as just a date?  You were the same age and looked the same as their normal dating pool of RM?  

Come on Albert, tell us what motivates you so that, as you aptly stated, "...so that readers can have an idea of my experience to judge my comments."

Regarding your numbers, my numbers are much smaller (I guess because I do not count), and I AM NOT JEALOUS.

Kuna, Albert uses Freepersonals, and most of the women there write about "wanting to find her special man."  Well, Albert is special.

You know, the name "Albert" does not befit a man with your credentials.  
 

 

[Albert]

Ok Albert, tell me this.  How do you meet the girls that you date?

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OK Turbo, tell me this.  If I tell you, will I have to tell you again in a few days or a few weeks?  I have told it dozens of times.  You seem to have such strong opinions about my behavior, yet you admit you know nothing about me, even though I have posted 'how I meet the girls' dozens of times.

[Albert]

He would not get the GFE that he can with a FSUW who believes his Bull$hit that he may marry her.

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Gator, why do you keep saying this when I have stated many times that I have never spoken of marriage with these gals?

[Albert]

Come on Albert, tell us what motivates you so that, as you aptly stated

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I am motivated by the same things that motive other normal guys.

[Vaughn]

Albert, would you be kind enough to re-post factually
just HOW you meet all these women? I've missed this
totally if it's been stated "dozens of times".

[Gator]

Albert wrote, I am motivated by the same things that motive other normal guys.

Please elaborate.  What is "normal" with regard to sexuality in a man your age (I assume mid 50s)?

[Gator]

Albert, you are busy now with a lot of responses.  Perhaps you missed my other question: 

"Did these 40-100 women see you as just a date?  Were you the same age and looked as good as their normal dating pool of RM?"

BTW, I don't expect nor would I want for you to go away.

[Albert]

Sounds like rampant sex tourism to me. 

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William, what sounds like rampant sex tourism to me.  Please define rampant sex tourism.

Then describe the women I have met, how I met them, why I met with them, etc.

Then compare your definition with your description of my women.

Can't do it you say because you know nothing of me and my women?

But yet you have already made a classication of me.  What kind of lawyerly method is this?

[Albert]

"Did these 40-100 women see you as just a date?  Were you the same age and looked as good as their normal dating pool of RM?"

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Yes, they saw me as just another date.  Some saw me as a date who could help them with their English.  They used me.

I can't really speak to the age thing and how good I looked compared to their normal dating pool.  We never discussed that or shared pics of other BFs, GFs, etc.

[Albert]

Albert, would you be kind enough to re-post factually
just HOW you meet all these women? I've missed this
totally if it's been stated "dozens of times".

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OK, here is short version.  Longer versions can be found in the older threads.

First, I have NEVER contacted women in marrige agencies.  All of my contacts BEFORE a trip are on dating websites and places like ICQ.  The dating sites have blocks that people check off as to what they are looking for like long term relationship, short term relationship, casual relationship, pen pals, etc.  Most all women (and men) seem to check all the blocks.  I have had first dates with over 100 women in FSU based on these contacts.

NEVER have I in messages or in later meetings with these women spoken of marriage.

Second, I have met and dated over 50 FSU women at businesses where I am doing some consulting, been introduced by business colleagues, at grocery stores, metro, apartment hallways, elevators, ballet, opera, etc.  I do not go to bars and nightclubs.

[Albert]

Please elaborate.  What is "normal" with regard to sexuality in a man your age (I assume mid 50s)?

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I didn't put an age on my statement of normal guys.

Normal guys of all ages are interested in women and sex, whether they are married, dating, looking for a date, etc.

I talk to many guys of all ages in my day to day life, and they mostly all seem to be as normal as me with respect to women and sex.

[BillyB]

Albert,

  You've seemed to be misunderstood by the majority of people here. But it was you alone that write what you write. Maybe some guys are jealous of you. Maybe some guys think your playing women and look down upon you. Maybe some guys understand you aren't keeping your story straight and don't know what to believe. 
  Reading some of you past posts, I found you said RW will have sex with a man 70% of the time on the third date and another time you mentioned near 100% chance a RW will have sex with you on the third date. Also by your estimates, most RW would have sex on the first or second date and you've been on 150 first dates, I would've figured you had sex with more than 37 women. Maybe my math is fuzzy or the info I had to estimate with was innacurate?
  The fact that you are talking about or starting threads recently about phone sex, dildos, hot pants and how the women you've been with squirt when having an orgasm isn't the big issue here. The fact that you had 30 years of adultry free marriage without sharing your secrets does bother me. You rarely give advice to a guy on how to find, create, or sustain a loving realtionship with a woman. You've got to be over 50 years old and yet you fail to share some wisdom that usually accompanies an older gentleman. Why? When Albert speaks or writes, what does he want the world to hear and learn?

[Albert]

"You've seemed to be misunderstood by the majority of people here. But it was you alone that write what you write."

More talking through your hat Billy.  Have you actually seen posts by a MAJORITY of the people who post here who have said this?  Where is your sense of fairness?

"Maybe some guys understand you aren't keeping your story straight and don't know what to believe."

More unfairness Billy.  You are making a statement indicating you don't think I am keeping my story straight.  You seek to portray to other readers that something is true that is not true.

"Reading some of you past posts, I found you said RW will have sex with a man 70% of the time on the third date and another time you mentioned near 100% chance a RW will have sex with you on the third date. Also by your estimates, most RW would have sex on the first or second date and you've been on 150 first dates, I would've figured you had sex with more than 37 women. Maybe my math is fuzzy or the info I had to estimate with was innacurate?"

Well Billy, if you continue to take snippets from here and there, and take them out of context, and add an extra word or two to my statements, or leave out a word or two from my statements, then yes, you can come up with all sorts of fuzzy things.

But, then you are not stupid.  You know when you type this stuff exactly what you are doing, and how you are going to distort to make me look bad.

"The fact that you had 30 years of adultry free marriage without sharing your secrets does bother me. You rarely give advice to a guy on how to find, create, or sustain a loving realtionship with a woman."

I don't talk about these things because there are no secrets.  There is no standard advice that can be given about these things.  Each couple is entirely different.  When I got married, the standard advice that any person would have given the two of us at the time is: "Don't do it . . . it will never work for you two."

[Turboguy]

Sit tight guys. My power went off. As soon as it comes back on I have the perfect respone. I just don't want to do it on my Blackberry

[BillyB]

Albert,

  If everything you've written is full of wisdom and makes sense, there's nothing I or anybody else could do to make you look bad. You don't need to defend yourself and you don't need to start a thread to talk about it.   

[Son of Clyde]

Albert, you should stick around for comic relief.
For all I know you could be posting under two usernames one for normal posts and one for off the wall posts. Or maybe you are a plant so the newbies can see both sides of the spectrum, the normal and the sex tourist. I am a little jealous you have all this experience with women and I was meaning 150 dates with different women.
I consider a date as learning about the person and hoping for a second date. Sex on one date shows little respect for the woman. I have often considered your posts comperable to the guys I went to high school with who would brag of their sexual experiences. When we grow up we mature to the point that it is only necessary for us to be happy with who we are and not to have to tell others about our world of experience. I know several guys who do very well with women but rarely do they tell their friends how many they have slept with. It is confidential information for most people. If you were as good as you say there would be no need to tell others. You need this affirmation that you are doing a good thing and I personally think you are doing a disservice to decent RW and making their first impressions of Americans being that we are all interested in hot steamy sex on the first date.

[Turboguy]

Damn power.  My post would have been so much fun.  Darn.  Too late now.