Chances with Polish W compared to FSUW

[A.E.]

Hi everyone, I'm a 34 year old attractive (been told) male. I have a theory but I'm not totally sure if it's true, and I'm hoping I can get some opinions from the more experienced men on here about the subject. I am of the opinion that the FSU women or girls are much more willing to marry and live in a foreign land than women from eastern europe, like Poland for example, is that true? I believe that the "less nice" the country where she is from is, the more likely she will be willing to leave her family behind and live abroad.
I am interested in this comparison because, even though I like FSU women, I'm really drawn to girls from Poland (more beauty and class in general). I need to form a solid opinion about this before picking my destination where I will be going hunting for my dream woman. Is it quite hard for a polish girl to leave everything behind for a man she really likes, and much easier for an FSU one? I would appreciate your input.

[BC]

AE,

Welcome.

Desperate and/or destitute woman from any country will look for greener grass elswhere.  Same for desperate men. There may be more in some countries, less in others, but overall it's probably not a good idea to target such women in your search for a wife, same as you probably wouldn't put up posters of yourself at the local trailer park or wallmart.

Most women there can and/or have travelled outside Poland so chances are if they were really looking for a mate elsewhere it would be quite easy to find a suitor not far from home in EU.  Don't expect to be at the front of the line.

What is the basis for your determination that they have more beauty and class than women elsewhere?  Agency hype?

[Kuna]

Hi everyone, I'm a 34 year old attractive (been told) male. I have a theory but I'm not totally sure if it's true, and I'm hoping I can get some opinions from the more experienced men on here about the subject. I am of the opinion that the FSU women or girls are much more willing to marry and live in a foreign land than women from eastern Europe, like Poland for example, is that true? I believe that the "less nice" the country where she is from is, the more likely she will be willing to leave her family behind and live abroad.
I am interested in this comparison because, even though I like FSU women, I'm really drawn to girls from Poland (more beauty and class in general). I need to form a solid opinion about this before picking my destination where I will be going hunting for my dream woman. Is it quite hard for a polish girl to leave everything behind for a man she really likes, and much easier for an FSU one? I would appreciate your input.

Hi A.E.,

I'm not one of the "experienced men on the subject" but I am an experienced man... so I will add my thoughts here and you can take them for what they're worth.

I think women are looking for a stable and loving relationship, and are prepared to make serious sacrifices to achieve that.

I can't imagine any of them (except Green Card scammers) STARTS the process because they want to leave everything that's familiar to them behind.  

I dated a Polish girl here in Australia for about 2 months while she was on a study exchange program (She was studying medicine).  Towards the end she made it clear that if there was to be a future, she wouldn't leave Europe but rather I should consider moving there.  Thinking back to those discussions reminds me the gravity of the decision a RW would go through to commit herself to us, and a life in another country.

I have a workmate who married a Polish girl after living there for a while.  To be honest, he's having a terrible time.  For whatever reason, I know this isn't a happy marriage.

I've also had a "relationship" that lasted for 18 months with a German girl I met here.  When she returned home we stayed in touch, then she came back for an extended holiday.  Our time together was good, and I know that if I asked her to come here she would.  I don't think I would be fulfilled in the long term so have ended it now, but again it's a sign that if a girl loves a man, she'll make a massive sacrifice for the family she dreams of.

To be successful, I think each partner needs to:

- enter the process with the right intentions;
- have faith in the other persons intentions;
- make tremendous sacrifices to "make love happen", and;
- have a whole world full of luck along the way!

Without a doubt, once a girl decides she'll seek love overseas, she'll aim towards a lifestyle that provides a stable environment for her family, but I don't think the primary motivator is leaving her home, family and friends behind.

Best of luck,

Kuna

[Turboguy]

Here you read about ladies from the FSU marrying men from primarily English speaking countries.   If you visit a site like visa journey which for those who don't know is a site for those doing any kind of visa and check out the K-1 section you will find that love has no geographical boundaries.   You will see men and women from England, Canada, and of course Poland in the process of working to marry American men and women they have fallen in love with.

At a lot of the places we talk about you may not find too many Polish gals.   I think if you search around you will find there are ways to find girls from Poland.  We have a lot of Polish people where I grew up and they are very nice and of course some of the women can be very attractive.   For me, I would still vote for RW and UW as the most beautiful in the world.

[jb]

A somewhat amusing anecdote regards Russians and Poles.  Some years ago when I was still teaching, I had one class of about 25 Russian engineers over from the oil fields of Siberia.  On one outing we took the group to Six Flags for the day.  After looking at it, I overheard a couple of guys talking between themselves about what they thought of the American amusement park.  Not to be out done, the leader of the group reminded them that the USSR has the world's largest amusement park, when he got the expected blank looks, he laughed and said, "Don't you remember?  We build a fence around Poland."

[jb]

I have a theory but I'm not totally sure if it's true, and I'm hoping I can get some opinions from the more experienced men on here about the subject. I am of the opinion that the FSU women or girls are much more willing to marry and live in a foreign land than women from eastern europe, like Poland for example, is that true? I believe that the "less nice" the country where she is from is, the more likely she will be willing to leave her family behind and live abroad.

AE, welcome;

I don't think you are going to find Russia to be "less nice" than most of the rest of Europe.  All European cities are old, except Germany, where just about everything has been rebuilt from scratch in the last 60 years.  I was appalled by some of the neighborhoods I saw in Paris, which most Europeans consider to be the cultural hub of the universe, I was not impressed.  Moscow, by comparison, looks much the same as any other city in Europe, the only difference is the billboards and signs are a little harder to read.  Getting out in the hinterland of the FSU you will find some "less nice" places, but I rather doubt you will find your dream girl in such places.     

[IAmZon]

Hello A.E. -

I share your interest in other countries that were in the former, former, Soviet Union.

Poland, Czech Republic, Belarus; ROMANIA; Slovakia

It seems to me that the structures are more firmly in place in UK and Russia.  That could be a good thing, or a bad thing.  It seems that the "trade-up" factor is less inflated, because these ladies already possess more choices.  But these points are "generalizations" and don't apply to any one man or one women directly.

I suppose the eduction level of a woman may be the greatest general indicator of her abilities, ambition, and ability to adapt than culture.

Just my 2 cents

[Gator]

I'm really drawn to girls from Poland (more beauty and class in general).

For years Polish people were the butt of many jokes about stupidity.  A Swedish friend asked, "Why do Americans make such jokes?  Polish people are a very educated and sophisticated people?  You should make jokes about the Finns."

If you seek class, do not turn away from the FSU.  Focus on educated women from Moscow and a half notch below the educated women from St. Petersburg and Kiev.  After spending some time with them, you may discover that you are the peasant.

Your term "Less nice" I assume is a surrogate for economic prosperity.  Do not use "money" to attract these women. 



Rivardco,
Only one of the nations you listed was in the FSU.

[Turboguy]

If you seek class, do not turn away from the FSU.  Focus on educated women from Moscow and a half notch below the educated women from St. Petersburg and Kiev.  After spending some time with them, you may discover that you are the peasant.

I have to agree with the part that once you start meeting gals from the FSU it almost makes you feel like a peasant.   The girls are so much better educated and have so much more culture and class than we are used to finding in America that it is an eye opener.

As far as searching in Moscow etc.  I think that is an individual thing.   I won't argue that the Muscovites are a little more sophisticated but there are lots who are close to the same in the other cities without as much attitude.   I think I might feel it was more important to look at where I lived in choosing my hunting grounds.  If I live in NYC, Moscow would be a top choice.  If I live in Rome  (as in Rome, Georgia) then a gal from a smaller city might find life there more to her liking.   I think there are gals who will be happy in a big city and others who would be as happy in Madison WI or Fairmont MN.

[Michelangelo]

Rivardco,
Only one of the nations you listed was in the FSU.

Correct, but don't underestimate the domination of the Soviet Union over the so called "Soviet Bloc."  They were forced to study Russian in school and got the the Russian world view.  And yes, they were "fenced in."

"Don't you remember?  We build a fence around Poland."

My FSU girl fiancee was amazed to find out in trips with me to former soviet bloc countries how hated the USSR was. She thought they should be grateful for what the Soviet Union had done for them.  They were not.

[groovlstk]

I can only comment on physical appearance, but I've been to both Poland and the Czech Republic and the women in both countries are no match for Russian and Ukrainian women.

[Mir]

I beg to differ.
Girls in Poland as are as beautiful as in Ukraine (never been to Russia, yet). However they dress more conservatively. So you are less likely to see mini-skirts and high heals in Warsaw old town then on Kreschatyk.
As for class there will be classy women in FSU, Poland, Romania etc just like there will be trash women, it is just the question of what is class and who likes to develop something with you.
 

[Jumper]

It is often stated there are more polish people in chicago than in warsaw..
Having been in both cities i'd say thats pretty accurate.
and its certainly not uncommon to observe a pretty girl in chicago and her nationality be polish,,
(well also it is likely she is Lithunian! or  russian, ukranian serbian,crotian.. etc)
Anyway a lot of polish people in chicago and many in poland that would immigrate here willinginly..
just check the LOT flights in and out of o'hare..lol
but no they would not be desperate ,
and often have family here that have local contacts to get them jobs and visas without any thought of marriage.

anyway to the point of your question,
yes if you are trying to
"find a wife' in some set amount of time, then the odds while looking in Poland would not be as good as odds as in Russia or Ukraine.

yes it is ecomomically driven.
there are not as many polish women looking for foriegn husbands.
they have a more stable envoiroment right where the yare. its that simple.

That  doesnt mean you couldnt find a nice polish women that wanted to relocate though, and might fall for you.
There is no way to predict such things or calculate odds..
you might find a nice AW thousands of miles away that would do the same with no economics involved whatsoever?

[Zhena]

I think not all the FSU womne would be so willing to relocate-most of them even never thought about Yet Poland not so great country economically...I am surprised that you think so...Many of polish people doing some black work all around europe. They are known of having more honour of their nationality than russians-but again,you cant make a generalization.

[Zhena]

I beg to differ.
Girls in Poland as are as beautiful as in Ukraine (never been to Russia, yet). However they dress more conservatively. So you are less likely to see mini-skirts and high heals in Warsaw old town then on Kreschatyk.
As for class there will be classy women in FSU, Poland, Romania etc just like there will be trash women, it is just the question of what is class and who likes to develop something with you.
 

Exactly.

[A.E.]

Thanks for the welcome, and for all your valuable contributions, it's helping give me a better understanding of the picture. I did form the opinion that Polish girls are a bit superior based on personal and friends experience. I travelled to Europe and Egypt a few times in the summer mainly to tourist resort towns frequented mainly by russian and east europeans, and I met a few women from these nationalities. The eastern european ones impressed me more in terms of sophistication and general attitude. They were more western looking and behaving, yet they had all the good qualities we're all looking for in an eastern woman (taking real good care of themselves and their man). The russian women were very nice as well, physically, but their personalities were a bit off, was very clear they were from a different culture.
I agree with many opinions here that there are classy FSU women, but I believe that their percentage is not as high as in eastern europe. Also, they tend to be concentrated in very large cities, like Moscow, and I believe the people there have another problem, they are very materialistic nowadays, which is not the biggest turn on.
I do agree with some that it doesn't matter where you're looking, whether it's Poland or any other FSU country, if you try hard enough, you should succeed. However, I always like to calculate my odds before starting anything, that usually yields better results. And since the percentage of  women marrying abroad is overwhelmingly higher in FSU compared to Poland or Czech,  which could be because Polish people are more conservative and more family oriented (and not so much because they are richer like “a fiancée” pointed out), I think my chances in bringing a woman home is much higher if I look in the FSU.

[Wild Orchid*]

http://www.meetic.com/search/result_affv.php
67 pages of polish women only on this web-site. Probably they are looking for polish husbands but for some reason I doubt it very much.
 I don’t know what to think about those posts. If I am not from Moscow than I can’t have class, intelligence, sophistication. Sounds a bit narrow-minded to me.

I know only 2 polish women - my MIL and my SIL, none of them are  classy or beautiful, not now not before. It doesn’t make them to be a lesser people though…

[jb]

And since the percentage of  women marrying abroad is overwhelmingly higher in FSU compared to Poland or Czech,  which could be because Polish people are more conservative and more family oriented (and not so much because they are richer like “a fiancée” pointed out)

I would wonder about the "overwhelmingly higher" part, but only compared to Poland and Czech Republic.   I suspect a higher percentage of foreign brides are arriving from South America and Asia than from the FSU.  Especially since our U.S. Embassies in most South American countries still permit the DCF and will fast track the CR-1 so that those foreign brides can literally be taken home within days of the wedding.  There are not a lot of men willing to cool their heels for months at a time waiting for the USBCIS to get their act together.

Regarding the "more family oriented" part of the quote, I'd say I disagree strongly with that statement.

[Leslie]

Why does anyone emigrate?  For the hope of a better life.

It has always been thus.  The waves of Scottish and Irish to the new world in The 18th and early 19th centuries.  The massive transit of Europeans through Ellis Island in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

Economic and social hardship were the primary drivers then and it is the same now. 

Back then there was no paper chase.  The motivated people shifted their asses and left.  Today it is much harder.  The rich countries do not encourage mass economic migration.  Sure educated people with in demand skills are allowed to emigrate but this excludes 95% of the people who want to emigrate.  Of course some of these people become asylum seekers but the west desperately does NOT want these people.  It is not politically correct to say this openly but it is a deliberate policy.....

When the Soviet Union collapsed there was severe economic and social dislocation.  It continued until the late 1990’s with the currency devaluations and the disintegration of the former state owned industries.  This provided the impetus.  Relative economic circumstance still drives the exodus from the former eastern block.
 
For a woman who wants to emigrate and lacks the skills or wealth to jump through the immigration controls marriage to a foreign man is just about the only option.

Back in the mid 1990's Czech was an MOB destination.  I made several trips to Prague in 1994 -5.  I used an outfit called Czech Mate(now gone).  There were lots of stunning women back then who wanted to date western guys.  Today Czech booming. A member of the EU.  MOB is dead. The “agencies” that remain are more accurately termed “escort agencies”.  You want to marry a Czech girl then go find a job there...

The same is true of Poland.
 
It is now a full member of the EU.  Around 500,000 Polish people have come to live and work in UK since ascension. Ten times the number chairman Blair’s acolytes predicted.  Romania and Bulgaria ascend in January 2007.  Blair has imposed work visa quotas to stem the tide of “gypo’s”.  All spin of course.  These people will come anyway and if they find work they will stay.  Women don't need to marry a foreigner to emigrate all that is really required is gumption!

Certain regions in FSU are now wealthy enough for the tide of emigration to have ebbed.  Moscow, St. Pete and Kiev are good examples.  Back in the late 1990’s you could have bought a flat overlooking the Kreschatic for around $100K.  You will struggle to find anything below $1 million now.  Moscow prices are even higher.  It is one of the most expensive cities in Europe.  When I started looking in FSU in 1999 these places had a reasonable MOB market.  Now most of what remains is prostitutka servicing the foreign sex tourist market.  MOB is in terminal decline throughout Eastern Europe.  Sure there is still a market in places like Tver, Kherson etc.  A lot of  FSU is still accurately described as “Dumpsk”.  A percentage of women still want a better life bad enough to leave all their family and friends behind to marry a virtual stranger from the west. Not for much longer IMHO.  Soon the only way of meeting and marrying an Eastern European woman will be to go expatriate.  If you are working (or living) in Eastern Europe then you can just meet women normally.  If you build a relationship with a woman whilst you are expatriate then there is the possibility that she won't want to leave her culture, family and friends but hey you are already expatriate (so you have already loosened your ties) and you can stay...  Same as it is in the rest of Europe…

[Mir]

Another idea is to find a girl in Lviv or even more Western Ukraine. They might be more inclined to leave for the land of plenty and will be almost Polish 

[philb]

I did form the opinion that Polish girls are a bit superior based on personal and friends experience.......

I agree with many opinions here that there are classy FSU women, but I believe that their percentage is not as high as in eastern europe...

I think my chances in bringing a woman home is much higher if I look in the FSU.........

Maybe I am mistaken and have misunderstood the intent of the above comments, but they leave me questioning whether one whom arrives at such conclusions has any business involving themselves in mixed culture relationships.  Poland, FSU, Asia, Latin America, and the good old USA obviously all have culture differences.  As far as any one area exhibiting a higher level of "class" well....

[jb]

Well put, Phil.

Perhaps AE should save himself some grief and quit the business now rather than spend a bunch of money and be disappointed later with a "no class" woman from the FSU.

[Turboguy]

Yep, it is sad to see him compromise his dreams and not peruse one of the Polish ladies with real class.  I think he should either hang it up or make up his mind to not settle for what he thinks is second best.

[Gator]

AE wrote, I'm a 34 year old attractive (been told) male

The same as your mother, my mother told me that I am attractive.

I'm really drawn to girls from Poland (more beauty and class in general).

I did form the opinion that Polish girls are a bit superior based on personal and friends experience.

The eastern european (Polish) ones impressed me more in terms of sophistication and general attitude. They were more western looking and behaving, yet they had all the good qualities we're all looking for in an eastern woman...

The russian women were very nice as well, physically, but their personalities were a bit off

...classy FSU women ... tend to be concentrated in very large cities, like Moscow, and I believe the people there have another problem, they are very materialistic nowadays

Polish people are more conservative and more family oriented

Following that line of logic, AE concludes:

I think my chances in bringing a woman home is much higher if I look in the FSU.

AE, we are picking on you, but you do write as if you are a desperate man who feels that he could never attract the woman of his dreams. 

Are not the Polish people mostly Slavic lineage, the same as in Russia and Ukkraine?  Poland has a history of being overrun by foreign invaders even more than Russia.  Is not the economy very similar?  The Communist bloc certainly left its imprint on its culture.  So is the real difference that stark?

[jb]

My mother told me I was "God's Gift to Women", but she was biased, I think.

Of course we are picking on you.  Simply because you are not making good sense here.  Russian women are among the most beautiful, smartest, and most talented women in the world.  Catch one if you can, it ain't so easy to invade Moscow and capture one of the best and brightest.  If it's something less you are after, that is plentiful too, but if that's your goal, I'd suggest Arkansas, not Moscow.