Chances with Polish W compared to FSUW

[groovlstk]

AE, first off: Poland and the Czech Republics are FSU countries, so you should be more specific when you want to compare Poles to Russians and Ukrainians.

I travelled to Europe and Egypt a few times in the summer mainly to tourist resort towns frequented mainly by russian and east europeans, and I met a few women from these nationalities. The eastern european ones impressed me more in terms of sophistication and general attitude. They were more western looking and behaving, yet they had all the good qualities we're all looking for in an eastern woman (taking real good care of themselves and their man). The russian women were very nice as well, physically, but their personalities were a bit off, was very clear they were from a different culture.

I wouldn't be so quick to judge Russian people you meet at Egyptian or Turkish resorts. For many, it's their only real vacation of the year and given that most resorts are all-inclusive, the Russian people tend to behave a bit hedonistic.

And since the percentage of  women marrying abroad is overwhelmingly higher in FSU compared to Poland or Czech,  which could be because Polish people are more conservative and more family oriented (and not so much because they are richer like “a fiancée” pointed out), I think my chances in bringing a woman home is much higher if I look in the FSU.

The only difference in character you'll find in Polish women (in comparison w/Russian/Ukrainian women) is the way that Catholicism has shaped their beliefs and morality. Poland is Europe's last bastion of Catholicism, and its people in general are much more religious than Ukrainian and Russian people. I'm sure Jerry Falwell would argue that this makes Poles more family oriented, but I have yet to see family bonds anywhere in the world more stronger than in Russia/Ukraine.

[SANDRO43]

AE, first off: Poland and the Czech Republics are FSU countries

Tell a Pole or a Czech that he was formerly part of the Soviet Union, rather than bloc, and you'll get some very icy stares in return, to say the least .

[jb]

Oh God, yes, they were never part of the club, not willingly at least.  Just an occupied territory, not a voting member of the Soviet Union.  The Poles and Czechs would never forgive you for lumping them in the same pot.  I had a Czech bi-lingual engineer for an interrupter for a while, I never saw anyone who hated Russians so intensely.

[Zhena]

I would wonder about the "overwhelmingly higher" part, but only compared to Poland and Czech Republic.   I suspect a higher percentage of foreign brides are arriving from South America and Asia than from the FSU.  Especially since our U.S. Embassies in most South American countries still permit the DCF and will fast track the CR-1 so that those foreign brides can literally be taken home within days of the wedding.  There are not a lot of men willing to cool their heels for months at a time waiting for the USBCIS to get their act together.

Regarding the "more family oriented" part of the quote, I'd say I disagree strongly with that statement.

I think,in FSU more women either than in Poland or Czech :)FSU is muuuuuuch bigger. But,an author has some point about conservatism. For example-compare the number of the women from the eastern and then western parts of Ukraine on the dating sites...What will you discover,that from western cities much less women. They have a bit different menthality,like polish(a language has many polish words too in the western Ukraine). An economical situation there is bad. But on some reason,they will rather go to work abroad than will marry...I dunno why. They are extremely proud,thats true. They are nationalists some also.

[Zhena]

Oh God, yes, they were never part of the club, not willingly at least.  Just an occupied territory, not a voting member of the Soviet Union.  The Poles and Czechs would never forgive you for lumping them in the same pot.  I had a Czech bi-lingual engineer for an interrupter for a while, I never saw anyone who hated Russians so intensely.

Thats very true. As I understood the authors point,he finds the polish women more similar to west by culture,but yet saved the good qualities of eastern europe. So their culture seems more close to him such as the russian clture seems too strange and uncivilized ;DIn the other words,he is willing to find not too exotic woman. And here he is right-the polish women more westernized-they are like germans some.About the pride is a truth also-but thats polish menthality...not really based on their super qualities

[Wild Orchid*]

Oh God, yes, they were never part of the club, not willingly at least.  Just an occupied territory, not a voting member of the Soviet Union.  The Poles and Czechs would never forgive you for lumping them in the same pot.  I had a Czech bi-lingual engineer for an interrupter for a while, I never saw anyone who hated Russians so intensely.

It is not quite clear to me... Is Iraq part of USA?
Poland and Chechoslovakia never been a members of SU. as about occupation... Yes, it happened at some point in Chechoslovakia, in 1968 if I believe correctly. Red army came and staid for some time over there, trying to achieve some power change in alliance with local parties. It is not like they came out of the blue and say here we are. Listen to us now.

It is so funny when Americans are talking about occupation.    US occupied more countries than SU.

[A.E.]

I see I'm getting a bit harrassed because I'm saying what I saw to be true in my trips overseas, I forgot that we're on a Russian women relationships site. But really, I see nothing wrong with talking about the bad and the good about RW. I'm not saying that RW are not civilized, I'm simply saying, based on my experience and the words of the local populations who deal all the time with eastern bloc tourists, that women from eastern europe (Poland, czech, etc) are more sophisticated than RW. That is not to say that RW don't have other great qualities that might not be found in the eastern european ladies. At any rate, if I believed that RW were not good enough, I would have never thought about possibly marrying one. By the way, I think Leslie's post was very informative, and so was "a fiancee", and thanks to all.

[BC]

I agree with many opinions here that there are classy FSU women, but I believe that their percentage is not as high as in eastern europe. Also, they tend to be concentrated in very large cities, like Moscow, and I believe the people there have another problem, they are very materialistic nowadays, which is not the biggest turn on.
I do agree with some that it doesn't matter where you're looking, whether it's Poland or any other FSU country, if you try hard enough, you should succeed. However, I always like to calculate my odds before starting anything, that usually yields better results. And since the percentage of  women marrying abroad is overwhelmingly higher in FSU compared to Poland or Czech,  which could be because Polish people are more conservative and more family oriented (and not so much because they are richer like “a fiancée” pointed out), I think my chances in bringing a woman home is much higher if I look in the FSU.

AE,

No, you're not getting harassed but maybe folks are trying to get you to take off the rose colored glasses for a few minutes.

Funny thing about odds is that at the individual level you never know if they were on your side until it's over.. -so what's the use.  Statistics and general impressions are never valid at the individual level!  If you are a good gambler you might be able to profit in Vegas if your system is good and you have a large amount of greenbacks to shoot with.  If you are in the US, looking for a foreign wife then you have only two shots last I heard.  Place your bets wisely.

We went to the Moon to dispute the cheese theory.  We went to Mars in search of little green men.  Do let us know how things worked out when you get back from your trip to Poland.. That's something we'd love to discuss.

As far as FSU women go (and I have met Polish and Czech women) It's like Coke vs Pepsi... both quite ok but I prefer the 'real thing' 

[Mir]

AE

Well if some have made you feel harassed then they have good reasons.
Let us see how you come across through your posts.
A gentleman from US (I am presuming you are from US as where else would a good looking 34 year old would be unable to find a reasonable match?) who wants to find a wife from Eastern Europe. So he says he is attracted to Polish girls but feels that they might be harder to get, (and why is that? If he is good looking and from the land of plenty why shouldn’t he get from Poland I don’t know?!).
So he wants to attack where he is likely to be successful and he feel that Russian/Ukrainians are easier to get. Well it does sound demeaning to Russian/Ukrainian women doesn’t it? And for the men here who have Russian/Ukrainian wives/lovers as well. How else would they feel when it is implied that the Polish women were better but they had no chance with them so they settled for Russians?
Polish and Czech might be Slavonic but they are certainly no FSU. They have their own culture and identity. 

[Kuna]

Good Polish girls are great!!!  Love 'em...

Ahhhh.... those Ukrainian girls.. I've heard the good ones are great....

Man oh man...  when you find a good Russian girl... they're GREAT!

Once upon a time I met a good Aussie girl... she was great!

Let's not forget the great German girl... she was great!

I think what I'm trying to say is...  does it matter where a girl is from if she's great (in your eyes)? 

I've been reading this thread and I would like to think a lot of it is a lot of tripe (on both sides of the argument)...  To be honest the only way I'll know is if I go there to see for myself.

I have troubles believing written words... I'm a bit of a sceptic...  I believe most people have an agenda that's been developed through experience...

May I suggest you jump on a plane and go have a look too.

All the best,

Kuna

[Turboguy]

Sorry you feel harassed AE.   This is minor and I think some of us are just having some fun with you.   However it is like going to an Apple Computer discussion forum and saying a PC will run circles around an Apple.   You can expect some people to disagree with you.

Back 11 years ago or so I happened to make a trip to the Czech Republic.  It was obvious everyone disliked the Russians and were really afraid of them.   I have never been to Poland, but on that trip I went with them to the border and waited at the gate while they went and got a few cases of cigarettes to sell in their country.   I also remember them talking about Polish girls.  As Russians look down on Ukrainians, they looked down on the Polish, and their comment was that Polish girls never bathe, they just smear on more perfume.   Everyone likes to think of themselves as being a bit better than others and Russian and Ukrainian gals are the same so those who are and those who love them are bound to be like to discuss this issue with you.

Now what I would like to know is what defines "sophisticated" for you?    To me, one thing that makes a woman have a sophisticated aire is to dress well, fashionably, elegantly or with class.   I think you said or someone said, the Polish girls are not as style conscious and don't dress up as much, so to me, that is score one for the Russians.   Another thing that makes a woman seem elegant is intelligence and education.  Since most of the Polish gals were educated under a soviet controlled education system and the Russians seemed to put the most emphasis on educating their own, plus my own opinions of the Russian education I have strong doubts the Polish gals are more educated or more intelligent.   I won't go on to list all the other qualities that I think make a woman seem sophisticated but I can not think of any that would make a Polish gal posses more of any qualites.   I am curious what characteristics make you feel they are?

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[BC]

Well concerning intelligence, I can say unequivocally that my RU wife WILL hand the lightbulb right back, while scolding me that men are responsible for 'teknik'.

That's pretty smart.

After scolding our 12 year old daughter for digging toast out of the toaster with a fork she looked at me and said the worse that can happen is that the neon bulbs break..  it's one of those newer models that burn toast with laser light or something like that...  besides she had already unplugged it.

I felt pretty dumb.

[jb]

Why stop with Polish and Czech?  Bulgaria (same Slavic genetics) seems to be about the easiest place now, especially with new EU membership.  Furthermore, the Bulgarian economy is currently in the tank so there might be lots of ladies looking for a mule to carry them out. 

In fact, according to the BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6148244.stm  Bulgarians are leaving in droves looking for a better life.  Maybe this is the next boomtown for the MOB industry.

[tim 360]

JB,  Don't forget Serbia and Croatia?  Closer to home he will find many eager Guatemalan, Honduran, Dominican and Bolivian candidates.  But as has been said before, and said better:

"Ukraine girls really knock me out
They leave the west behind
And Moscow girls make me sing and shout
And Geor, Geor, Geor, Georgia's
Always on my mind,  on my mind"

Lennon & McCartney
           

[Gator]

JB,

Were you asleep at the switch?  You either missed or ignored the statement, "US occupied more countries than SU."  Normally that would rankle you.  Are you becoming mellow?

Wild orchid,

I thought you were a young woman not influenced by Soviet schooling.

Actually I will agree that the US has occupied more countries than the SU.  America did it with business.  Whether Coca cola, razor blades, automobiles (at one time), computer technology, pharmaceuticals, etc. a great number of American companies sell their wares internationally.

Political occupation - Probably true if you count successful covert "revolutions".  Not true if you consider complete and continued control of the economy and institutions.  And America never "annexed" whole countries as done with the Baltic's, etc.

You probably meant military occupation. 

-  American troops occupied France, Italy, Belgium, Netherlands and Germany in the 1940s (not to forget UK where we were accused as overpaid and oversexed).  What did the SU do after the war? 

-  There was also Japan, an obviously dreadful experiment when you consider how unsuccessful the Japanese industry was in rebuilding and adapting to the international market. [Remove tongue from cheek.] I seem to recall that part of pre-war Japan is still part of Russia; admittedly, America and Britain agreed to such at Yalta. 

-  Then there is the occupation of Korea.  How difficult is it to compare the long term results of the SU north and the US south?

I will give you two points for Vietnam and Iraq.  Other than those the scoreboard is lopsided.

[jb]

Were you asleep at the switch?  You either missed or ignored the statement, "US occupied more countries than SU."  Normally that would rankle you.  Are you becoming mellow?

Nope, didn't miss it.  I'm just no into hitting women with that kind of force.  WRT the USSR's track record I'm still not too pleased with what funny business of long range missiles stationed in Cuba either.  (circa 1961-2)  Technologically speaking, the space race did the US a tremendous amount of good, but it was the arms race was where the USSR was able to push our political buttons the best.  Perhaps some day a giant time machine will be invented and we can all go back and fix all those things from the wisdom of hindsight. 

[Michelangelo]

Wild orchid,

I thought you were a young woman not influenced by Soviet schooling.

Yes, there were big cracks in the much lauded Soviet education system. 

How could it be quality when they wrote their own version of history? 

Sure, all history is told from the perspective of the nation that writes it.  But the Soviets went to the extreme, hiding info they did not want their people to know about.

My girl just saw the Tom Hanks WWII movie, SAVING PRIVATE RYAN.  With tears in her eyes, she told me "I did not know the Americans were involved in World War II."

p.s.  The Chinese are still up to that trick of sharing only selected history.  Do you think the poeple know about Tinamin Square?  Even there Google is edited so it hides info the Chinese do not want their people to know.

[BC]

WRT the USSR's track record I'm still not too pleased with what funny business of long range missiles stationed in Cuba either.  (circa 1961-2) 

Yeah, guess our nukes in Turkey didn't please them either.  I'm convinced it was a fair trade-off.  Tit for tat.

[Wayne]

I spent two weeks in Old Town Warsaw in June, 2002.  The place was crawling with beautiful women!  The weather was very warm and the girls were dressed as such.  I was with my Ukrainian woman sitting on a bench in the Old Town Square, when a beautiful Polish woman sat down beside me and starting talking to me.  I do not speak Polish--but Svetlana knows some, and she really got mad.  I flew on LOT airlines from Chicago to Warsaw and back.  Chicago does have many Polish people and people travel back and forth.  You do not need a visa for Poland and I believe they can come here without one.  I found the Americans are treated very well in Poland as compared to Ukraine or Russia.

[A.E.]

Wayne , interesting story in Old Town Square, because two of the three polish girls I met oversas did the same thing, they approached me, not the other way around, I wonder if that's a polish women thing.
Turboguy, I feel they are more sophisticated because for one, a lot of them speak English, unlike most russian women I met that only spoke russian. Second, they were able to hold conversations about subjects, such as politics, I like that in a woman. Also, they liked to listen to international and american music, russian women were mostly only into russian music. Finally, even the way they danced or dressed, it was more hip and interesting. I don't know how to explain more, but I felt they were more sophisticated. Again, that is not to say that many russian women are not all that and more, but I'm talking percentages here.

[Mir]

AE

I don’t know where you have been meeting your women.
I have been to Warsaw 3 times and Krakow once.
Majority of girls did not speak any English just like Ukraine.
All the Russian/Ukrainian girls I have dated liked Western music.
And Polish girls can talk about politics while Russian girls can’t is a totally incorrect generalization.
However I can understand that your ideas are based on your experience with East European girls that you have met.
Still that does not give you the knowledge to decide percentages.

[ConnerVT]

Let's see.  RW only speak one language, They can not hold discussions on real subjects like politics, They are more interested in their music and pop culture than that from other countries, and they don't dress as well.

OMG!  Russian women are really Americans!      

[jb]

Yes,,, let's see....

My wife speaks two languages with fluency, is conversant in a couple others, holds a double MS from MSU, likes to discuss anything but cooking. Does not own a pair of sweat pants, is smarter than Einstein but defers to the man of the house.  Yep,, I'd say she's totally American.

[Jumper]

I just realiized that i honestly dont know a single RW that owns sweat pants.

and that right there ,
is a cultural difference that guys coming here try so hard to define ,debate , and evaluate..lol

and isnt that simply enough?
how many more fundamental differences do you need to search half the world away for a partner?

now if the girls just knew how easy most of us are to please..

:::::::::::::::tongue firmly in cheek::::::::::::::::
 


BTW - A.E.
i'm fond of Polish girls, but married to a RW.
Have ben ariound quite o few of both..
and the differences are minimal,
  your sweeping generalizations seem a bit off to me.

i friggin hate makin generalizations,,
but if forced to-

 i would lump Polish women as the less sophisticated or cultured of the two,
but in "general" a tad more inclined to a quiet home life and family than RW.
Polish a tad less materialistic,
RW often with a higher education or degree.

I could be way off, but thats how i see it after having spent time with a few of both cultures.,

Just compariung cities - i like kerrkow and warsaw,
but i'm betting you cant compare them to
the FSU vcities such as St Pete, Kiev, Moscow in
cultural things to do, and just shear NUMBERS of higher educated people.

anyway the reality is that you will be meeting an individual,
 and as such it tosses generalities right out the window anyway.

if you like polish girls, why not ? who wouldnt?
go for it..





 

[Mir]

I have never been to Russia but Kiev is one of my favourite cities.
However I don't think there are any more cultural activaties in Kiev c/w Warsaw or Krakow.