Russian Women in USA

[in_phoenix]

Ok lets try this question, have any of you dated Russian women in America?  Why go to Russia when some have got to be here?  Personally I know where to find a few and the ones that I some what know are very attractive, intellegent, talented....  Why go through all the hassle of going over there to meet them.  There are a lot already here on work visas.  Am I missing something here?  Are they too Americanized?  If that is the case then will not ones brought over get the same way?

To tell you the truth, most of the ones I some what know don't even have boyfriends.  Heck save a couple thousand in air flights.

The only reason I have not tried this yet is because I just thought of it like 30 seconds ago.  Maybe some of you already tried and know the answers.  I have also heard of an entire community here locally.

Any body?  Opinions?  Comments?

[Elen]

It's some hard for some people to deal with women who want from men nothing but "emotional" relaitionships.  If such aspects as "green card" is off from scene men have to present something else. It's easy to use such things like money, green card, personal plane and so far to seduce a girl than to do that only with "personal"  qualities

[in_phoenix]

So are you saying it is a good idea to look up these local girls then?

[Elen]

I would try at least. After all you would get an experience with Russian women. May be they manage to teach your some Russian and prepare you for visit Russia to get a bride from abroad.

Tough I don't know how old are you. May be you have not too many time for such games:?

[in_phoenix]

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[Elen]

welly you have a time yet for couples attempts with Russian women in America:D

[Bruno]

Phoenix, i have the opportunity to have russian woman already in Belgium... young, beautiful one but ... they are illegal people in waiting of regulation of refugiees... the risk is too much big that they marry me for stay in Belgium...

[Bruce]

Phoenix - I live near (10 minutes away) Brighton Beach, which has the greatest concentration of FSU people in the USA.  To start with, most of them are from the former Republics ie. Ukraine, Uzbekestan, Azerberjain, Turkmenistan, Kyrgystan, Georgia, Kazakstan, Chechnya etc.  There are almost none from Russia.  My wife (real Russian) says they are "all Ukrainians,"  which really means to her their character is like Ukrainians - which is a typical response most Russian women have from experience towards Ukrainians.  Now, if you ask any of these girls where they are from, and believe me I dated some and talked to many prior to meeting my wife in Russia, they all say they are Russian.  When you start talking to them and questioning them you find out none of them are really from Russia.  Most of them are / were or at least claimed to be Jews, only some of them really from Russia.  The next thing is that alot of them somehow got into this country illegally - I do not know how, but alot of them said they were Jews, went to Israel and then somehow got here, or some other insidious method.  They have a shady illegal type mentality in general.  I know Russians and they are not Russians - that is the only way I can put it.  They in general just do not have the character I would want in a wife.  If you want the real thing you have to go to Russia.  Now, if you like the "look" you generally find in Southern Russia bordering the former Republics or the former Republics (excluding Ukraine - which really has an interesting beautiful mix) then you want these woman in the USA in general.   I would avoid them if I were you and go for the real thing.  If you are young enough to date a real Russian on a student visa then I would go for it - that is the exception to my rule above.  So, unfortunately, you have to get on the plane and go for the "real thing baby."

[Elen]

What about Russian girl who moved to America to marry to some old;) (or just not right for her) man and got a divorce (in set with green card)"? She solved all her problems with a help of another guy (and saved you money for trips to Russia) And now she is opened for a "true" love:D Is that a variant for cosideration?

 

[TigerPaws]

What about Russian girl who moved to America to marry to some old;) (or just not right for her) man and got a divorce (in set with green card)"? She solved all her problems with a help of another guy (and saved you money for trips to Russia) And now she is opened for a "true" love:D Is that a variant for cosideration?

 

 Once a theif and a scam artist, always a theif and scam artist. That alone is enough of a reason to stay away from this kind of woman.

 

[Elen]

Once a theif and a scam artist

 Now, why are so severe with poor girls? They may trully believe they loved thier men. But life changes. So why do you deprive them of second chance?:cool: [/size][/color][/font]

[Bruno]

Sorry Elen, Tiger have right this time... if the woman have divorce from his man just after the green card, she is not the type of woman i will wish... she have show that she have no respect for man and the marriage... Why i go marry so woman... i have already million in my own country ... she marry you, use you, and drop you directly when find a new target...

 

[Elen]

Why do you put all blame in such cases on women? May be it was man who appered a complite git, or may be it was a fault of both who couldn't understood thier feelig to each others right because of too limited time? Are all those women marked as "defected"?

  Or it's a matter of green cards and you think they should be "fair" and move back to Russia/Ukr, where they already have nothing?

[Todd]

I have dated a Russian woman who had lived in the US for several years and a few from Eastern Europe.  I got along amazingly well with each of them.  I don't know; it is something about our temperments being very compatible.  Unfortunately, while our temperments were compatible, there was typically a lack of mutual chemistry.

As for the whole question of money, even when the cost of flights and phone are figured in, the money spent on dating each month is roughly a wash.  Prior to getting engaged with Kate, I was spending about $1,000/month on dating, and, now, I'm spending roughly the same amount give or take.  (In case you are wondering, Boston is an extremely expensive city, and I was dating about 10 times per month or a little bit over twice per week, and I assumed $100/date.  I would generally pay unless she had significantly more net cash flow than I.  Also included in this average is a major trip if someone managed to get to the three month mark.)

[TigerPaws]

Once a theif and a scam artist

 Now, why are so severe with poor girls? They may trully believe they loved thier men. But life changes. So why do you deprive them of second chance?:cool: [/size][/color][/font][/quote]
Elen,

 I am not trying to be harsh on the girls, I met a couple who fit this question exactly, she made a mistake in the man she chose and divirced him after a couple of years, then married again but thise time to a wonderful man and they are very happy. So it can and dose happen.

 My point is why should a man bother to take the chance, as Todd stated the costs are about the same and the available pool of Russian women in America is very small compaired to their home country.

[Bruno]

Why do you put all blame in such cases on women? May be it was man who appered a complite git, or may be it was a fault of both who couldn't understood thier feelig to each others right because of too limited time? Are all those women marked as "defected"?

  Or it's a matter of green cards and you think they should be "fair" and move back to Russia/Ukr, where they already have nothing?

In your example, you say :

What about Russian girl who moved to America to marry to some old;) (or just not right for her) man and got a divorce (in set with green card)"? She solved all her problems with a help of another guy

It show a woman who have with knowlegde choose the wrong man for obtain the green card...  She have use a man... how is it possible to respect so woman... you speak about feeling but in your example, these woman have no feeling... You give a example of visa whores... maybe i need explain you what is a visa whores :

Gold diggers are also commonly referred to as Visa Whores. While they are related to the opportunistic woman, they fall into this separate category due to their primary objective being a green card and not money. Don't get me wrong, these gold diggers want your money, but they want it in conjunction with foreign citizenship. In my opinion, Gold diggers are the most dangerous women of all. Because they are in the game for the long haul, they are exceedingly difficult to spot. The Red Flags may be subtle to non-existent, but the destruction they do financially as well as emotionally is second to none.

Whenever a relationship falls apart there are hard feelings. It's the easiest thing in the world for a man to accuse a woman of being a Gold digger after a relationship ends. The truth isn't always so cut and dried. While true gold diggers span an endless gamut of types, the classic forms fall into two basic categories: the Visa Whore and the Trader.

The Visa Whore is a total user. She has a game plan from the word "go" to get her green card and as much money as possible, anyway possible. She will lie, cheat, or steal to gain her objective. She might cop for herself, or her designs on citizenship may be to bring her Russian boyfriend to join her. Who knows? Always the consummate actress, the Visa Whore will use her body to keep you happy until she feels confident enough to spring her trap. According to the immigration laws of the United States the trap will probably be sprung by an allegation of domestic violence or with the issue of the green card. If the Visa Whore is the scum of the Earth, she will play the DV card, but if she is just a scum bag with a heart, she will follow the "Day 731" rule.

It's generally expected that a permanent green card will be issued in approximately 2 years or 730 days. The "Day 731" rule is commonly accepted to mean the day after the permanent green card is issued. At that point she is free and clear to walk out the door, file for divorce, get what she can get, and move on with her life. If you think it can't get worse, you are wrong. The INS has provisions for abused immigrant spouses. The law was designed to help in the event of real abuse, but in our politically correct society it doesn't always work that way. Even if you never harm her, a Visa Whore can claim emotional abuse due to a harsh word, a slammed door, or a threat to send her back to Russia. She can have you arrested and petition the INS to immediately issue a permanent green card.

And you wish that we don't put the blame on so woman ...

[Elen]

What about Russian girl who moved to America to marry to some old;) (or just not right for her) man and got a divorce (in set with green card)"? She solved all her problems with a help of another guy

It show a woman who have with knowlegde choose the wrong man for obtain the green card...  [/color][/i]

OK I meant another things but didn't explain them right And now I can't win a battle with specialists of visa whores;) Let leave those women in peace.

Attempt number two.

What about dating in the USA with divorsed Russian women who former Americans husbands speak about like "we tried but became just friends "?

(She is "true" Russian, she doesn't have such problem like green card, she is here in America and she speaks English already)

 

 

[Bruno]

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What about dating in the USA with divorsed Russian women who former Americans husbands speak about like "we tried but became just friends "?
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Why not... but you don't find a lot of so women in the street...

Some time ago, i have one russian woman living in Belgium, divorced from a previous marriage with Belgium man ... who have place a ads on my site... for the next week-end, she have a date with two Belgium people... after the week-end, she have remove the ads... she have find what she wish...

All is more easy and more fast because meeting can be organize in a few days... so woman don't stay alone long time...

[TigerPaws]

OK I meant another things but didn't explain them right And now I can't win a battle with specialists of visa whores;) Let leave those women in peace.

Attempt number two.

What about dating in the USA with divorsed Russian women who former Americans husbands speak about like "we tried but became just friends "?

(She is "true" Russian, she doesn't have such problem like green card, she is here in America and she speaks English already)

 

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Why should a man bother to take the chance, as Todd stated the costs are about the same and the available pool of Russian women in America is very small compaired to their home country.

[BC]

What about dating in the USA with divorsed Russian women who former Americans husbands speak about like "we tryed but became just friends "?

First many wouldn't even try.. Lots of guys looking for RW are those that won't get off the barstool and go talk to a great looking woman in the first place.  Even if a bit more expensive, the internet dating game, agency hype and socials type meetings overcome the weaknesses many men have in this aspect.

Second the divorced woman will now be surrounded by many available and willing younger, better looking well off men that are probably more interesting than those standing in line at the gate for the next flight to SVO.

Third, men are looking for that innocent FSU woman that is a 'virgin traveller' and has not travelled much. They are easier to impress by simple travels or Wallmart (at least for a while)and quite dependent on the man much as a puppy would be.  

Fourth, It is likely she will not understand much of the language so will take a while to understand that that phone call today was actually from the credit card company asking when the overdue balance will be paid.  

In other words - in the US or most of the western world young good looking women wherever they come from cannot be 'served on a golden plate' as they are in the FSU.

[Elen]

 

i have one russian woman living in Belgium, divorced from a previous marriage with Belgium man ...

 
And how do you distinguish a visa whores from "good" divorsed RW?

( I mean there are no signs on their foreheads)


 

[in_phoenix]

Man I started some good topics!

 

At any rate as I posted in my other thread it the starting section,

I think I'm being scammed.  The stage is set now the ball is in her court again.  Another e-mail or two should be all it takes to find out the truth for real.

[Bruno]

i have one russian woman living in Belgium, divorced from a previous marriage with Belgium man ...

 
And how do you distinguish a visa whores from "good" divorsed RW?

( I mean there are no signs on their foreheads)


 
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Very simple... she was already in Belgium and i have chat with her several hour... i have try to know a little more about her and his spirit... now, she is with one of my worker, a refugiee from Albania ... i see her each Friday when she come for the week-end meet his new love...

And like i have say in the interview from LillaVilla, the futur in the marriage business is chat with sound and video... direct contact like so are very difficult for people who lie, body language show a lot about yourself... it is like a meeting but via internet... now, it is need several month of letter exchange for have some idea about a woman... with so system, with two hour video conference each day, you kan have a good knowledge about the woman in only one week...

Now, i remember a topic about phone call, price, ... guys, if your lady have a computer home, buy her a cheap micro, a cheap web cam, the right software ( a total around 50 euro )... and chat each day with her, see and listen her... this is low price and high quality communication...

Of course, now, with the russian price for 50mb transfer... you go not far... when i think that i have T1 broadband via TV cable with 20GB month for only 12.5 euro... but i am sure that in some year, the price will be more low in russia for internet...

[Elen]

Very simple... she was already in Belgium and i have chat with her several hour... i have try to know a little more about her and his spirit...

 

Pss:P very simple:D:D. If only any whore would say you something about her life in past:P and allow you to figure out a liitle about her and her spirit from what she disided to say you in chats

[Bruno]

Pss:P very simple:D:D. If only any whore would say you something about her life in past:P and allow you to figure out a liitle about her and her spirit from what she disided to say you in chats

In a few hour of chat each day, with the right question, you can know a lot about somebody...

By example, without chat, i begin know you enough... via your post here on the forum, via PM, via e-mail only... you have trust me, and this have allow me to know you more... :P... why do you think that it is not possible with a other woman !!!

And with her, i have use chat with video / sound... you can see easily on face when someone try to lie... OK, i agree that woman are more professional for lie that man   but i have again some experience in this :?