How to juggle the WMVM (Write many visit Many)

[Vaughn]

Kuna, sounds like a great trip planned, I can appreciate the logistics
of a FSU journey from Australia as well.

Jinx, I believe that going over to just enjoy oneself is a key component to a successful trip. Well done.

VIKING !!! In no way was I trying to imply personal secrecy nor
deception on your part - just trying to make the point that these
ladies don't really buy apologetic excuses. It seems that we're
looking for ways to politely excuse ourselves in good taste...

I've heard stories where an AM would plant himself at a cafe table and have a parade of 20 or more ladies come by, one by one, to
literally interview. Not my style, LOL, but it works for some, obviously.

[Turboguy]

If those free days in Kiev materialize I would suggest you experiment with speed dating.  Stop by Elena's Models office in the Impressa hotel or Kiev Connections or any good agency and line up 3 or 4 meetings just so you know what that is like.   I never thought it was a system I would recommend until Jack's trip.   I was actually impressed with how good it worked.   It will give you a chance to have a better feel for what techniques you want to use on your second trip.

[Kuna]

Kuna, sounds like a great trip planned, I can appreciate the logistics
of a FSU journey from Australia as well.

Indeed, add in the family tree research, side trips to Hamburg and Riga just to get me warmed up and a business meeting in Singapore during a 5 hour stopover on the way there and it's a pretty tough schedule!

Can't wait to board though!!!

[Kuna]

If those free days in Kiev materialize I would suggest you experiment with speed dating.  Stop by Elena's Models office in the Impressa hotel or Kiev Connections or any good agency and line up 3 or 4 meetings just so you know what that is like.   I never thought it was a system I would recommend until Jack's trip.   I was actually impressed with how good it worked.   It will give you a chance to have a better feel for what techniques you want to use on your second trip.

Turbo,  in Kiev for "Speed Dating Ukrainian Style" which would you choose out of KC or EM?  Of course I'm familiar with the ladies on the EM site but there were also some on the Kiev Connections site that were "interesting"... but I only saw them after joining EM.

As for my techniques for my second trip... I was thinking those techniques would involve massage oils and candle light...    

[Turboguy]

I have been to Elena's Models office.  I have no first hand experience with Kiev Connections but the things I have heard about them were good. 

Actually when I went to Elena's I was with a friend and just observing.  They have a very large selection of women.   Basically they have books with the ladies broken down by ages.  The photo is on one side of the page and the info is on the other.  They seemed to know most of the gals first hand and can answer questions about them.   Their fees seemed reasonable and they were very helpful.   I would pick Elena's but either would be good.

[Jumper]

jb said

AJ,  we are still brothers, right?

 of course jb!



and speaking of brothers,
 i've forgotten who came up with that "band of brothers" post..
does anyone remember? 



 i dint read all of this thread actually,
and it seems disjointed now that i do?

but heck i've only read bits and pieces of a few threads lately
 and it seems i've missed a lot of things going on.


Generally speaking though -
i still see the same questions from guys about the process,
 that i saw back on the st johns board, planet love, RWG,, etc etc..
and the same topics bring up the same heated debates.. lol
just like the tide, it comes in and goes out.. but its pretty constant and dependable despite a storm or two...

[KenC]

Kuna,
Sounds like a great plan to me.  Keep an open mind and don't fall in love with the first one!  And even if you do, still meet the others.

You need to know that RW's birthdays are a HUGE deal.  It is like the most important holiday of the year for them.  Your responsibility is to bring her flowers for sure and probably an appropriate gift. (Whatever that is) 

I also suggest you do not ignore any possibilities at home with the ladies, but also don't let a new love interest interrupt your trip either.  You are looking for a special woman for rest of your life and who's to say she isn't next door?

The most important thing to remember on your trip is to have FUN!
KenC

[Kuna]

Kuna,
Sounds like a great plan to me.  Keep an open mind and don't fall in love with the first one!  And even if you do, still meet the others.

You need to know that RW's birthdays are a HUGE deal.  It is like the most important holiday of the year for them.  Your responsibility is to bring her flowers for sure and probably an appropriate gift. (Whatever that is) 

I also suggest you do not ignore any possibilities at home with the ladies, but also don't let a new love interest interrupt your trip either.  You are looking for a special woman for rest of your life and who's to say she isn't next door?

The most important thing to remember on your trip is to have FUN!
KenC

Thanks Ken...  Yes, I understand the importance of fem birthdays... It was one of the reasons I had to juggle my trip around so I could be in Kyiv for Girl #1's special day.  The plan thus far is to have dinner at the family home with her mother... something I would NEVER do on day 2 at home but almost all conventional rules go out the window on a pursuit like this... and many new rules MUST be implemented!   

It's ironic that one of my other 3 is having her birthday a few days after I am supposed to depart so I've decided I'll go to Dnepropetrovsk to surprise her IF she ends up being the one that causes the "big click".

On the topic of the one at home... When I see you on-line next I'll post her pick so you can see why I'm interested in her.  it's not because of how she looks though, it's the combination of her looks and the statement she made that said something like, "I want marriage and children and I don't care if anyone thinks that makes me a loser.  If I find that I'll be happier than I ever thought I'd be."

That statement, and the way she purrs when she wakes up in the morning is/was very refreshing!   

Finally an attractive girl from the west who's not ashamed to want a family!

Kuna

[KenC]

On the topic of the one at home... When I see you on-line next I'll post her pick so you can see why I'm interested in her.  it's not because of how she looks though, it's the combination of her looks and the statement she made that said something like, "I want marriage and children and I don't care if anyone thinks that makes me a loser.  If I find that I'll be happier than I ever thought I'd be."

That statement, and the way she purrs when she wakes up in the morning is/was very refreshing!   

Finally an attractive girl from the west who's not ashamed to want a family!

Kuna

   (But in a good way)

Really look at the two statements you made.  It is the same here in America; that women are almost ashamed to want to be wives and mothers!  While the majority of RW dream to be in that position.  That, my friend, is one of the essential differences between RW and AW. (the "A" being for American and apparently Australian in this case)
KenC

[I/O]

   (But in a good way)

Really look at the two statements you made.  It is the same here in America; that women are almost ashamed to want to be wives and mothers!  While the majority of RW dream to be in that position.  That, my friend, is one of the essential differences between RW and AW. (the "A" being for American and apparently Australian in this case)
KenC

Might be a good topic to start up.  I like the way this forum tries to remain somewhere on the topic where possible.  (No personal shots intended here.)  I do think it would be an intersting topic.  Maybe done before?  "The differences in women from whichever countries through the eyes of we ignorant men with the ladies throwing their 2 pence worth in also".

Take a shot at it Ken, you have been around this caper longer than most of us.

(Brains in gear, megaphones on mute)

I/O who is always looking for ideas to throw back and forth.

[Icarus]

This is an excellent topic for new-comers. And I a absolute newcomer please take my comments with a grain of salt.

Personally, coming from Australia the thoughts of making multiple trips to FSU is not only expensive; very expensive but highly disruptive and risking ones work commitments, so in this vein yes write many and visit many.

However, if you maintain this mentality; what if the next one is better etc, you will be a repeat offender, going back for the same again and again.

Ive looked at this option and decided to proceed slowly; not at a crawling pace, but fast enough to see things develop and grow. If you keep more and more women on the side in case plans fall through etc then you wont notice the one worth keeping.

So let me finally add, be sure you sift out the wheat from the chaff before you go over. And if you are making this decison once you already there, then remember these women voluntarily added themselves to a DATABASE, to be scrutinized by amorous men in search of a bride, then by all means date often, indulge in thier company BUT plant seeds so that there is something there worth coming back to.

Icarus

[Michelangelo]

plant seeds so that there is something there worth coming back to.

Icarus

You may be a newcomer, Icarus, but you suggestion is very wise.  My goal was, in my latter days, to visit many and go away with the special one I could get to know later with emails, sms, and phone calls.  THEN go back and spend time with only her.

But *sigh*, as a newbie I did visit one and had wasted trips.  Heed the advice of the experienced, guys.