New Guy needs help--RussianUkraine babes for real?

[itdaddy]

hey guys,
dont take offense, but i have read many many girls profiles.
and i know they are looking for the best guy just like we are looking for our hot babe! and of course i think russian/ukraine babes are the hottest on the planet. I have been all over the world and who
can resist the long legs, gorgeous eyes(kind of chinese sometime)
but on whiteladies (my weird interpretation sorry) but nonetheless stunning! but concern is this!! are they really that great of ladies.
i see videos off of loveme.com and others and they mention beauty. but sorry i think most men(likeme)think with their d$$ks!
but in the girl's profiles they always say Finanically secure, Well Educated! blah blah blah I have an education but what does well educated mean and financially secure. to me that is somewhat relative! many many say that! some actually describe the man!
but am i stupid or are these girls weeding out sugar daddies!
most of you guys are big money makers. I am not. Yes, IT doesnt pay that great starting out. But it costs big bucks to go to and bring back a girl from russian and ukraine and for that matter keep going back! how do you guys do it! are all you guys BIG BIG business men and are there really any success? I see these old guys with girls 20 to 30 years younger (i wouldnt like that and i am just turned 40) look 33 though people say. act 2! haha

but i guess i am very skeptical. i have seen these tours! how much they cost and the flights how do you guys do it! do you all make 100,000.00 a year or is there any chance for a guy who makes 35-40k a year! or only arethese tours for guys likeyou rich!
I am alittle nerous when i see man say financially secure, well educated! I would like an educated women for the fact i can talk to on my level...not a 20 year old girl! 25 maybe the lowest. though my jewels would want a 20 year old;

i am just babbling but can anyone help me??
i am confused; i see these hot hot ladies and well I am very skeptical! on are they for real! and my big question. is can they handle a country boy! i dont live like you guys do in the big cities and throw big bucks around like you all have; can a girl from russia like the simple country like (not real back woods) just country.
we can go to the city but seems these russian and ukraine girl die for the big city and fancy clothes and fancy cars! WHAT YOU GUYS THINK thanks!

[I/O]

IT Daddy I am probably one of the newer ones on this site who will throw his outspoken opinion in here, but understand that the very reason I do this is to offer a bit of help to guys in the same situation as yourself.

In amoungst your lighthearted comments, you raise some very good and significant questions and in the following I'll try to put my spin on it for you and interpret a few things.

To the Russian / Ukrainian woman, FSU women in general, financially secure means "Able to support a family of 3 or 4 people without hardship".  It does not mean wealthy by western standards.  Educated, you will also see the word "Formed" quite often which is a product of electronic translators.  Formed refers to an academic education of which many FSU women have.  Educated, generally speaking means personal education such as good manners, behaviours, politeness etc. (Generally speaking)

Yes many on this site are not poor so to say, but it does not require huge money to undertake this exercise if you are smart about it.  Planning is the key and I have my opinions about how that should be done, but I'll not currupt this post by offering those.  You can read that discussion in another post.  My father's advice when I was a child was very sound when applied to this, "You will always have more time than money" so, "The smart person uses that time to plan to save their money".

If you do your homework and don't just rush over to the FSU in the first five minutes, you don't need to be wealthy to succeed.  However, be realistic, that is, understand that the travel and meeting process is only one part of it.  If and when you find the right person, there is the relocation and assimilation expenses, such as visa, transfer, legal, and language study costs involved.  It is a very rough guide and others may differ in opinions, but I am half way through the process (Visa application complete and waiting approval) and at this stage, I am estimating from start to finish anywhere from $15000 - $25000 (USD).  However this is over a period of time and may run quite a deal higher.  But..Hey what price do you put on finding that someone very special?

The ladies are very often real, but many of the sites use false profiles and model photos and a whole host of tricks.  Be careful and read the ten commandments on this site and never never never forget them.  Don't come back crying later if you have been tricked.  Many have and there is enough information around now to give them very little excuse.  Again this comes back to being smart and using your time to do some homework.  I met my fiance' through an internet site. Agents are the other possability and you can read my thoughts on that elsewhere.  With agents, the girls are at least real, but beware there is many crooks in the industry and find yourself a good agent, if you choose to go that way, who will call a spade a spade with you.  Again there is good info on this site about possible agents and how you should select an agent.

Tours maybe an option for a look around so to say, but I am not sure that this is all that successful. I have no experience with tours, so I can't comment.

The DECENT FSU woman is not obsessed with the wealthy city lifestyle in the west or USA, but consider this, is a women who has grown up in a big city such as Moscow or Kiev, realistically going to fit into a quiet rural lifestyle.  Of course not in most cases, so you might be smart to look in the more provincial locations.  (JMHO)

Now here come the hard part.  You must now go and take a very cold shower and start thinking very clearly with the LARGER of your two heads.!!!  If you continue to think with the smaller one, I can almost garrentee you will be back here in 12 months time crying about the bad experiences and the money you have lost.

This can be the most rewarding thing you have ever done, but "Do It Smart".

I/O who hopes he is not confusing a new commer to this exercise.

[itdaddy]

I/O
does that stand for Input/Output.
I am an IT guy so that is all I know! haahhaha
wow, spoken like a gentlemen and a scholar!
thanks so much. I kind of figured that but your explain on the well educated and financially secure, was spectacluar and the part about the bigger head.
spoken like a true man! takes one to know one right!?

yeah, I look for more than a hot bod; funny i must be maturing. I dumped this hot babe from the states; great sex but she made me crazy in the head.
i want an attractive gal who is all around great! no high fashion city girl.
simple sexy classy country girl for me ; not too country but not too city.
what areas do you suggest?

and yur dad was smart; sounds like you have or had a cool father; i like that!

what do yu think of loveme.com? you had no tour or agency??? how did  you make it?

[I/O]

ITDaddy When IT fails, go back to doing it properly. I/O comes from a former profile on an internet site which was actually Interested Observer. Just got lazy to type the logg in. So the old adage applies yet again, that is, "When you think you know what's going on, you are beginning to learn that you don't".  Yes I can be a bit cynical too at times and most would probably say an "Old F@rt".

My explanations are largely from experience and as such should not be taken as uniform gospel, but hopefully give you a guide.  If you look in the "Experienced" section and find the thread titled "Reality or Risk" will give you a bit of an insight into my journey thus far.

My Dad is anything but cool.  He is a "Tough Nut" of German extract who calls a "Tooth a Tooth".   But I love him dearly and although we often don't agree on matters, he is the first I seek advice from even now, as I know that I will get his brutally frank opinion. Think I am becoming a "Chip off the old block" so to say.

No I didn't use any agents or formal tours for meeting ladies, but I am reticent to speak too widely on that early in this thread, because others may have advices on this subject better suited to your particular needs.

I am very much a "Lone Wolf" type of hunter and when it comes to techniques, I don't subscribe to the "Scatter Bomb" principal.  There is a school of thought that suggests "The more F***s you ask for the more you get", however I consider myself a "Sniper" type and am prepared to spend the time to "Stake Out" my quarry, thus I rarely miss.

I don't know the website you mention, thus I can't comment.  How did I make it?  Well, the reality is that as yet, I have not completed the process and there remains some water to go under the bridge yet.  Certainly I have found the one I wish to spend the rest of my life with, or in fact, she found me, but there remains the beurocratic process to be completed which may take some time yet and I am enough of a realist to understand that nothing is set in concrete until the concrete is dry.

I have spent a good deal of time writing, reading and hopefully learning something along the way.  The stand out factor in all of this to me is that you will need time and patience. LOTS OF IT...!!!  If you are looking for a quick "Stray Lay", pay for it, because it'll be a lot cheaper than going through all of this process.   basically in summary, I worked the interent introduction sites back and forth until I began to see patterns and as such started to figure out who was who in the zoo so to say.

I don't recommend any in  particular, other than maybe, just maybe a new one that is being developed by a distant contact of mine, but won't be live for some time yet. There is good and bad aspects to all of them and don't assume any of them are scammer free simply because they have warnings all over them.  Get familiar with anti scam sites and black lists.  Again no assurance, but helpful.  You have made the best possible start by comming to a site such as this.  You will save a good deal of frustration that the likes of me had early.  Read and learn the 10 commandments posted on this site.  Tattoo them you know where if necessary.

I developed something of a plan, which I would advise anyone to do, whether they use agents, tours, internet or whatever, but keep an open mind and be prepared to change if it is not working.  God knows I had it all sorted and then got a letter I did not expect from left field, which has ultimately kicked some of my original idea to hell, but has still concurred with my original objective and not compromised my ideals or values.

If could offer one frank direction at this early stage, in your shoes right now, I would spend the next week searching this and maybe other forums.  Read the good stories and read the horror stories.  Read and discern for yourself that which is applicable to you.  Sort out in your mind the type of lady you want. (In General) Forget about looking at all the "Hot Chickie Babes" until you have done this homework and then you will be equipped to have informed discussions with agents, or lodge a workable profile on the relevant internet sites. 

I am betting you have already lodged a profile. We all do it.  Probably have some fun, but it usually is more of a distraction in the early stages than anything else.  Get smart about it.  The most powerful and tradable commodity on the face of the earth is not money as most think, but rather it is knowledge...!!!  Many a poor man has brought a wealthy man to ground because the poor man has had knowledge.  Worth thinking about.

I am reticent to push you towards any particular geographic location.  However places which are often not mentioned are smaller cities such as Bacau in Romania.  Easy access, decent facilities and no shortage of nice ladies.  Irkutsk in Siberia is another.   Krasnoyarsk. Omsk, Novosibirsk, Kursk and many others.  Liviv in Ukraine.  Lugansk in Ukraine (Although renound for crooked agents) BTW I am not saying you should not go to Moscow, St Petersburg, Kiev, Odessa etc, but I am inclind to think that for the description you have made, a lady from the smaller places might be better suited. JMHO

Final clue.  For the next few days, look at sites that keep both of your hands on the keyboard.  If you are finding one hand leaving the keyboard, leave the site or profile immediately...!!!!  Refer to former post for explanation....

I/O who had to get the right head doing the thinking before he had much real success.

[Rvrwind]

itDaddy, there are mny ways to do this & succss can be found in all of them. It is what you find most comfortable that will work best for you.
Interpretation of profiles can be just as varied but in general I would say most of the sincere & honest women are looking for a man that is able to support a family & not on welfare, easy on the eyes but doesn't need to be Brad Pitt, treats them with respect & cares about their opinions & concerns.
Do you need to be wealthy, no, not really, just depends on how you plan to go about it. I was a 50K a year working stiff & had a small buisness back home. Now I live in Russia, making less than I have ever made during my working life but I am married to a bueatiful Russian woman who loves me for me, not for what we have or in our case, don't have.
Do your homework, your swimming in shark infested waters. Check the CMA site.
But first & formost, enjoy the adventure.

[IAmZon]

I/O Excellent Posts!

[Jumper]

are all you guys BIG BIG business men and are there really any success?

simply answers -
nope,yes  and yes.




no-
 you dont have to be a big businessman.

yes -
you should have the means to support a family,,
AND to endure the financial burdens of this process.
these are generally a bit more reaching than new guy sthink about..
as travel costs for her home to see her family ,or for babushka to see her new grandchild etc all will add up over the years

yes- there is success.

but it is not a speedy or easy process.
it generally wil tak erlonger , and be more difficiult than a more traditional situtrion.


and obviuosly RW are not a breed..
they are indiviuduals and you need to find the right match for you..

and indeed many like the city life..
but the right girl is out there,,


good luck!

[I/O]

and obviuosly RW are not a breed..
they are indiviuduals and you need to find the right match for you..and indeed many like the city life..but the right girl is out there,,
good luck!

I concur entirely....!!!


I/O

[itdaddy]

you guys are awesome. and I/O i like your long philisophical talks.
i too am a philospoher (so i think)  i really like all that you said I/O
and the rest of you guys are great too! thank you.

I actually went to Colombia SA and joined an agency there and dated latin women; they are hot ladies! but when I saw the RW and UW oh my Godhttp://www.loveme.com/women/extraphoto.php?82813&6&Anita

I/O my hand started to leave my keyboard for this one(any red blooded American can understand that axiom!)hahahhaha
oh my god you made me laugh so hard some of your saying kill me! dude!

but yeah, girls like that I say forget it. if  yu read she has master German, she seems to be looking for a German guy! RIGHT any girl who spends that much time studying a laungage my first hunch is to let her go; I look for girls who master English and want to come to USA. I do undertstand if they  can get a local guy why not! then they dont have to  leave their family! and really it is hard. I am nice american guy and if i am in live with a RW and UW gosh how hard is it not to help them out with things; though  I would prefer offerring and her struggling to say no a bit; and keep ing her pride! that is the lady i like; but damn i can be a woosey. you guys have met thes gals; i know i would just wet my pants cute accents, lady and classy smells coming from them! looks of invite. when i was in colombia; i was a human hotdog! man on stick! these girls were all over me; great but weird! THANKS for all your encouragement you guys are great; i am still working on my IT career but see myself heading to Russian, Romania, Ukraine and taking my time. I could go to phillipeans but damn it when I see how classy these RW and UW women are I just think what if it is possible! what if! of course i want mental and spiritual compatiblity. I have had hot babes! but I want a decent lady who i can trust. a friend; and someone who will work with me not against me. I hear so much bad about these RW/UW  and then I hear them say great women family oriented but watch out they might leave you and suck you dry of money and all that. kind of scary. Gone are the days I fall for set of knockers. cause my maturity kicks in THANK GOD! do we both connect? that is they key! I dont see myself just taking a trip to Russia or Ukraine alone; though i have traveled much being in the Air Force 10 years.
i will probably check out some agencies; like loveme.com looks good.
i can talk to ladies; just see guys go 4 times and found noone! amazing. that is what $3000 at a pop if not more! TO BLOW not me.
i am not in a hurry cause hurry has fkd me up in the past; i like the snyper route I/O takes...to an IT guy it is like flowcharting my programs at work; the longer I take designing it and testing it the better the final kickoff of the program! I agree. But thanks guys!
I will be educationg myself the next 5 years. After my son graduates high school in 2 years then I will take a trip! my son comes first, I will be only 42. young pup! hahaha
damn those RW and UW Damn those babes!

that chick is hot aye!? hahhaa
oops "hand get back up here!" ahahah

[Turboguy]

There is a saying that goes "Looks are deceiving"   That also goes for agency websites.  Often the ones that look the best are a good indication that they are really the worst.   My two cents worth are that loveme.com is one of those.   Read some of the comments about agencies before you choose

[itdaddy]

really? wow! I will be sure and look hard into them.
i wish i could find some on here that guys have had success with?

[SANDRO43]

My Dad is anything but cool.  He is a "Tough Nut" ... who calls a "Tooth a Tooth". But I love him dearly and although we often don't agree on matters, he is the first I seek advice from even now, as I know that I will get his brutally frank opinion.

I suspected this all along. CONFESS !!!!! You're actually JB's son in disguise .

[I/O]

I suspected this all along. CONFESS !!!!! You're actually JB's son in disguise .

ROFL......for 10 minutes......that is just too funny.   No, my mother has much better taste than that.

Calling a "Tooth a Tooth" was a reference to dealing in facts.  Seems facts are starting to disappear around these parts over the last few hours.   

Back to the thread:  I shouldn't be surprised if the author of this thread is totally offput by the nonsense which is being posted back and forth in other threads right now.  Most here seemed to agree on methodology until some "Pr!ck" from Aus got on here and jerked a few chains. 

As another writer put it in another forum, it is not a very good advertisement for the "Contentedness" that we all claim to have as a result of our association with Russian women, maybe it is the women that are the problem.  (Tongue in cheek of course)   If Itdaddy has been reading here over the last few hours, I imagine he is re-thinking his ideas very seriously.

ITdaddy, it is not all as bad as we seem to be doing our best to make it appear...!!! I can't vouch for any particular websites, however I would have a look in the top site section and also have a look in the projects area and you will notice a group have gotten together in order to attempt to clean the industry, or at least parts of it up.  Again, I can't vouch for them either, but I would be inclind to have a look at what they are doing and maybe associate yourself with that group.

Get in touch with Rvrwind and I have no doubt he well may have some pearls of wisdom to share with you. 

Don't let those of us who argue over nothing put you off.

I/O

[Stirlitz]

but in the girl's profiles they always say Finanically secure, Well Educated!

It is quite simple. Financially secure means you are not a beggar and can afford a family (implying also you are not a miser who will save on everything). Educated means not a redneck/bumpkin.

By the way, don’t take it personally and as a reference to the previous phrase, but to look ‘educated’ you ought to pay more attention to the way you write. It is not just spelling, it’s OK; it’s basically the right capitalization/punctuation/spacing. We all understand you perfectly here but if you e-mail a Russian girl in a way you wrote your starting message in this thread she will have trouble translating it and most likely conclude that you are ‘not educated’ even though you probably are. Again, this is just a piece of advice.

[Turboguy]

Search around and you will find some recommendations.  I think off the top of my head some of the ones who have a high rate of success are Elena's Models, Merry dating and some of the agency websites like Cindy Agency, Kherson girls, LTP and Tver Ladies.  Some have even had luck with free sites like freepersonals.ru.  The two I used in my search were Elenas and free personals.

[jb]

IT Guy,

Have you read this?  It might answer some of your questions.

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?pid=10

[catzenmouse]

Wow! I had forgotten about that thread.

Yes itdaddy, it does take a lot to do this. More than you can imagine at times and not as much as you think at other times. With your timeframe I'd say you can learn quite a bit ahead of time to get prepared for this. Just don't start writing too soon before you are planning to go. I don't think there are many ladies who would wait a long time for someone to come visit. They would put it down to "just another keyboard romeo" and blow you off. Could miss out on a really great thing. 6 months maximum is a good time to start looking and getting a list together of who you want to see/where you want to go. 3 - 4 months ahead of the trip write your letters of introduction and let them know when you will be there.

Ken

P.S. Where in Wisconsin are you?

IT Guy,

Have you read this?  It might answer some of your questions.

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?pid=10

[itdaddy]

wow, yo guys are great. and Stirlitz, I know my writing sucks;
i have always written really laxed. i call it my chat languages.
you undertstand me; but I understand how I need to write with better syntax; if yu look hard in my picture, you can see my rack of cisco routers; i spend a lot of time scripting and running commands so my brain gets choppy; funny you mention this about my terrible writing; it has been my trademarke! haahaa it is all that coding I do at work with javascript, perl and other languages; it has made me lazy; hahahha but I hear you dude i hear you! it is my trademark of a genius i call it! hahaha
the rest of you thanks; it does look scary! But I bet the reason you guys keep punisioning yourselves is due to how good those Rusky girls taste!haaah you keep coming back for more punishment!
hahaa that is the only reason I can think of! When I was in the AIr Force, I was over seas and the foreign babes man! they were sexier by far! wow! I hope I can learn russian and ukrainian, I have learned Spanish well but that is Latin based. Russian looks cool but holy cats! does it look impossible!
thanks dudes!

Hey Catzenmu, Central Wisconsin a town called Wisconsin Rapids!
near Marshfield (near red neck ville) hahahahh!

[I/O]

Itdaddy You will find in forums such as this, that the "Lifers" are fairly helpful to newbies, but you should also aquaint yourself with the fact that some have seen so much that they have become a little jaded and will take, what is called a "Knowledge Bat" or a "Clue Bat" and bash you with it until eternity if they think you are p!ssing into the wind.

Stirlitz was very gentle by comparison to some and it is good to see you have listened to him.  Nobody minds how you write in and of itself, but let me explain a little to you.  Many, many FSU girls will use an E-translator to translate from English to Russian.  Simple copy and paste tool.  These translators rely almost completely on accurate spelling or they simply don't work.  Thus she can read nothing if it wont translate.  I run into problems time and again because my spelling is far from perfect and worse, some of the E-translators discrminate between British English and American English. 

I respect that your Chat language has pervaded your writing style and that can happen to all of us, but the moral of all of this is, tidy it up, because believe it or not, you have already started fielding the market by writing in here.  You will be surprised how many Russian women will check these sites to see who is who in the zoo.  Further, you just don't know who on here might have a cousin or sister in law or whatever. If she can't read your writing, you have already missed the boat so to say.

I might sound a bit rude with all of this, but believe me, the padding is still well and truely on the bat at this stage.  Hopefully you won't take offence, because most of us here would like you to succeed.

Cheers

I/O

[Photo Guy]

Itdaddy,
Welcome to RWD!
Yes, memorize those 10 Commandments. Read as much of RWD as possible.
Report back to us in three weeks. <grin> But, seriously, the more you can read
and digest here, the better. You might start with Groov's posts in the
'Trip Reports' section, because his writing style is killer- entertaining and
informative. Read many different trip reports. Learn about the 'red flags' - how to
spot a bad woman, a scammer, etc. And then start contacting women
with the idea of visiting them in the near future.

Women in the FSU, former Soviet Union are awesome. You'll need to weed
out the bad ones, but it will be worth the time and energy. A good RW will
expect you to respect her, so be ready and willing to do that. And you will
get it back in return. Good luck, and start reading! 

[David1963]

Search around and you will find some recommendations.  I think off the top of my head some of the ones who have a high rate of success are Elena's Models, Merry dating and some of the agency websites like Cindy Agency, Kherson girls, LTP and Tver Ladies.  Some have even had luck with free sites like freepersonals.ru.  The two I used in my search were Elenas and free personals.

Would you recomend and tour with First Dream?

[Turboguy]

Yes, I think you can learn more in one trip than in a number of trips on your own.  You will meet a lot of good women and hopefully the right one.   In my case I had high hopes for my meeting with VWRW.   I had scheduled a trip to meet her two weeks after my return from my FirstDream tour. 

Had things not worked out as well as they did with VWRW there were at least three gals I met that would have been serious cantidates.  With VWRW I have found a connection that is beyond anything I had hopes of finding and a fit that to me is very unique.   I know I could not have found that with any of those gals but they were all very attractive, quality ladies that would be excellent wife material.

Yes, I would recommend a FirstDream tour to anyone.

[Rvrwind]

Would you recomend and tour with First Dream?

I would if your into tours, but as tours go Jacks are heads above the rest.

I think off the top of my head some of the ones who have a high rate of success are Elena's Models, Merry dating and some of the agency websites like Cindy Agency, Kherson girls, LTP and Tver Ladies

Trying to figure out who this is, never heard of them & if there in Tver it would be somewhat difficult for me to miss I'm sure.
If however if you were thinkin' of my agency, it is Tver Angels, although they are ladies & there is a link in the topsite section & on the CMA. I believe Kevin at Kherson Girls is also in the topsite section as well as the CMA too.

[jinx13]

 

I will be educationg myself the next 5 years. After my son graduates high school in 2 years then I will take a trip! my son comes first, I will be only 42. young pup! hahaha
damn those RW and UW Damn those babes!

 itdaddy,

 I appreciate that you are doing some research here, but sounds to me like you are just having some fun on the net looking at "hot babes". If you don't plan on going anytime soon, than why ask for advice? Maybe you are getting ahead of yourself? The fact that you have a son in highschool shouldn't stop you, I'm sure he understands Dad has needs too, and anyway he could end up with a hot new step-mom! 

[KenC]

 itdaddy,

 I appreciate that you are doing some research here, but sounds to me like you are just having some fun on the net looking at "hot babes". If you don't plan on going anytime soon, than why ask for advice? Maybe you are getting ahead of yourself? The fact that you have a son in highschool shouldn't stop you, I'm sure he understands Dad has needs too, and anyway he could end up with a hot new step-mom! 

Jinx,
You should really try to avoid dolling out advice on subjects you have no knowledge of.  Having a young hot wife and a son in his dating prime, I can tell you and itdaddy from my first hand experience that it is indeed a tricky slope to traverse and not the cakewalk you project it to be.
KenC