Scammers and suspect Agencies

[Felice]

This article was published untill 30-03-2005 on www.datingworld.net under Scam Websites;

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-www.agencyscams.com : This website has a very tricky system that makes it look like legitimate to steer single and naive men towards agencies the owner has partnered with or owns (the owner also operates http://jimslist.com ).

The owners full name is jim **, a former English language teacher. Though he is trying to hide and have made his websites register information anonymous, but we found out both of his websites to be registered to:

His website is a (marketing tool) for his scam dating networks that have fake sales sites but no contact with ladies, and often not even an office. They are virtual offices, often run out of homes in the US.

It appears, that he is adding bogus listings of ladies as scammers just to appear that he is actively anti-scam. Worse yet, he has stolen a part of his scammers blacklist from other anti-scam websites. He did not make his blacklists himself but did steal all the photo's from other blacklists.

His Gold list is a fake; he recommends his agency, agencies that he works for and those who do pay him. (He recommends agencies as being scam-free for at least 300$ a month!.) Agencies he recommends are filled with Lugansk scammers, so for some dollars a month he is a scam expert that recommends the whole Lugansk scam-mafia!. (Lugansk is a city in Ukraine). And what he won't tell you one of his reputable agencies was before in court for scamming. This criminal won't answer any questions because he has no intention of helping anybody except himself.

Jim *** is a criminal who stopped teaching English and started recommending scam agencies for money, blacklisting legitimate agencies, because they are his competitors. He has two goals, earning money (monthly fee) by recommending agencies for at least 300$ a month. His second goal is blacklisting his direct competitors. He is a criminal who is involved in marriage-agencies, most problably running a marriage-agency which is part of a scam dating network and their goal is recommend themselves, blacklist other competitor agencies and damage their reputation to get the monopoly in dating bussiness.

This gangster who calls himself Jim is in close contact with Russian and Ukrainian scam mafia. he and his affiliates are only after money, they do not mind how to earn it. They will do anything to get money, destroying honest agencies by blaming them for scamming, recommending scam agencies, scamming men, fake e-mail forwarding and translation services, bogus ladies' profiles, charging people through their credit cards after they cancel their accounts, emailing clients directly offering prostitution services to men going on tours, publishing stolen scammers' profiles from other anti-scam websites and so on.

This cheater says (I am the guy that is only trying to help the other guys out there and save their money). The truth is: He is only after money and the only goal from his blacklist is earning money.

He and his affiliates training some of their (ladies) on how to request money for various reasons, they also do sell women's adresses and they do not have any information about these women. You correspond with a woman for a while, and then you fall in love with her and decide to meet in a place somewhere away from her residence (in your country or in Europe). She asks you to sponsor her travel arrangements. You send her money and then you kiss the money good-bye.

The owner of an agency in his recommended list (or as he call it Gold or white list) is at the same time a bride in her own agency and available for correspondence for 50$ a month!!, and need all letters to be translated (This is a paid service also). This woman is a well known scammer who is also running the standard visa and travel scenarios and is training her lady clients on how to request money for various reasons. At the end we got a very (reputable) agency led by scammer!!! Could you believe it?

Pay him and he reommends you His system works as following: From Agencyscams somebody in bad English approaches agencies and tell that they have scammers and need their help to get rid of them. Afterwards an e-mail in good English comes from somebody telling to be Jim and that he can recommend you for 300$ a month. Finally he puts agencies in his grey and black list if they don't answer. All the agencies and websites in his grey and black lists are honest and trustworthy. they just refused to pay this gangster.

To sum up, this gangster is really the biggest and corrupt criminal the world everr produced.

[Bruno]

Don't click the link to www.datingworld.net 

The site don't exist anymore, the domain name is to sell... you receive a lot of pop-up and one of these was with a trojan virus...

About these post, i go contact Jim for ask his reply.... i have refuse in the past to be in his list but he have never put me in grey or black list, he have never ask money...

Maybe it is some attack from site in black list... and i have always think he was independant, from what i know, he is not the owner of any marriage agency...

[Jack]

Bruno, maybe Honest Jim has changed his policy regarding asking for money to be listed as one of his recommended agencies but I can certainly tell you how he ran his list of recommended agencies two years ago.
 
One day about two years ago I ran across Honest Jim's site and after seeing he had 6 agencies he had recommended as being honest agencies I decided to write him. I introduced myself and wrote Jim that I had been in business for a while and worked hard to protect our clients from scams, scammers and scam agencies.
 
Jim acknowledged that he had heard of me and FirstDream and had on occasion recommended us to a few people who had asked about us and as such he would have no problems adding us to his preferred, recommended list of good and honest agencies. And that he was going to limit his preferred list to only 10 agencies and as such their was room to add me. I think I would have made like the 7th agency on his list.
 
Then Jim un-loaded the bombshell on me. He would list me as a preferred agency for only $25 a month. Now to be 100% totally honest I forget the exact figure Honest Jim quoted, it might have been $20, it might have been $30 but I think the figure was in the twenty dollars range so to be fair to Honest Jim, it could have just as easily have been $20 a month. I told Jim I was not going to pay $20 a month to have someone list me on their preferred list and I think Jim caught my feelings about this. Jim indicated that everyone on his preferred list paid this fee to be listed and I told him I did not care, that I was not going to pay someone to be put on their preferred list.
 
By chance I saw Craig from VolgaGirls on a discussion board about a week later and I wrote him and said I understood he had to pay a monthly fee to be listed as an honest agency on Honest Jim's preferred agencies list. Craig told me that was wrong, that he did not pay Jim a single penny to be listed as one of his preferred agencies. Hummm, I thought, now I had two conflicting stories.
 
I think it was 6 month later, or maybe a year later after Jim and I had exchanged some more e-mails that Jim changed his policy and then referred to it as a "donation". He was now accepting donations.
 
As I later found out Jim was not the only one who wanted to be paid to be listed on his preferred agency list. I exchanged some e-mails with Elena of Elena's Models. She also had a list of preferred agencies so I wrote Elena, introduced myself. Elena said she knew about me and Firstdream and even remembered a letter I wrote her in 1996 or 97 when she was not married (but had just got engaged). Elena said she would be pleased to add me to her recommended list, .......for $80 a month!!! WHOAAAAA, what's going on here I thought!  What's with these recommended and preferred list's where you have to pay to be listed?
 
I wrote Elena the same thing I wrote Honest Jim. Their were so few honest marriage agencies out there that when I ran across such an agency, I wanted to tell the world, andto tell the world for free! I thought it was good to tell the world of the few honest agencies out there and hope that if the word got out it would help these honest agencies to stay in business.
 
So now when I see some of these sites with their preferred honest agency list I just shake my head and wonder how many people realize that at least some of these agencies are paying, or are "donating", to be listed.
 
The only site I know of who has a recommended agency list that the agencies do not pay to get on, that you CANNOT pay to get on, that you MUST provide honest services to be listed on, is Kevin Hayes of KhersonGirls list of recommended agency. If people want to see a list of good agencies in which the agencies don't have to be paid to be listed, can't pay to be listed, his is probably the best their is.
 
 
 
 
 

[Bruno]

Jack, how work jim is not my real problem... i don't trust any type of list, for agency, woman or man...

About Jim, he have agree to include me in his list when my site was only starting, only underconstruction... and after, i have refuse to be included because i don't match the condition...

With Kevin, it was the same... he have wish include my site but i have refuse because i don't meet the condition... but kevin have find a original solution... he have make a new section named "not agency, guys who wish help" only for me...

Now, someone post a article with a link that we cannot verify... he say that these article was on www.datingworld.net until the 30-03-2005... today, the 31-03-2005, the domain name is for shell... i have think that it will be no problem to find the source with the cached page of Google ( they keep a cache one month )... but surprise, these site was already to sell in the begin of March... Sorry, in so condition, i begin to be suspicious... about the post...

I have search back the e-mail of Jim... i have send him in the past a copy of a rapport about the only one woman who have try to scam via my site... and i have contact him... he have reply and ask if i can help him ( i am enough good for tracking ) but i have reply that he need to post himself a reply, that it is the only solution for he find back his "honor"...

Now, wait and see... maybe you go receive a reply to your past adventure... and if he don't reply, sorry for him... but he go loose the little respect i have for him...

[Felice]

Bruno tells that Dating World is for sale but does give a wrong URL he gives www.datingworld.net where the right URL is www.dating-world.net

Notice after dating comes the symbol _ So Bruno is talking about another agency.

What his respect for Jim concerns. Go to Jim's Gold List to his recommended agency 2 Oceans of Love is www.2oceansoflove.com In this agency you fiind under: About Us as owner Misses Anna Bogdan a blacklisted scammer from Lugansk. Go to www.scamalert.freeservers.com than to: Search Scam Under A5 you find the same Misses Anna Bogdan as blacklisted scammer.

Go in this same blacklist to knowledge than to: The Authors Big Agency Research. You read that 2 Oceans of Love is a parasitic agency (bringing in their profiles in (semi) open dating-sites I did think Angelika Network profiles were very exclusive?.

Also the Author does wonder why Misses Bogdan did place her profile as bride for 50$ a month for correspondence needing even translation service.

Jim saw this brides profile and president profile running, this was one more reason to recommend this agency as highle reputable. About this case has been published an article in the past: Scamagency "2 Oceans of Love" can of worms

[Jack]

Bruno, the agency  www.dating-world.net  site was up and working when I looked at it recently. I have not heard anything negative about this agency and in fact have heard from a few guys who were quite pleased with the services they had received from Elena at Dating World. My suggestion to you, if you feel the information published by Dating World is in error, would be to contact Elena herself, go straight to the source.
 
Bruno, if Honest Jim does write you back would you ask him what he knows about an agency in Samara called "Your Russian Future".  This is a relatively new agency, real new, and is already number three on Jim's top preferred agencies, only behind Elena's Models and AFA (I wonder if Jim get's commission on clicks from his site that goes to his number 1 and number 2 recommended agencies? Not a conflict of interest I guess). This new agency seems to be located real close to where Jim lives, uses the same host (out of California) as Jim's anti-scam site. Any information Jim has about this new agency would be appreciated.
 

[Bruno]

Bruno, the agency  http://www.dating-world.net  site was up and working when I looked at it recently. I have not heard anything negative about this agency and in fact have heard from a few guys who were quite pleased with the services they had received from Elena at Dating World. My suggestion to you, if you feel the information published by Dating World is in error, would be to contact Elena herself, go straight to the source.
 
Bruno, if Honest Jim does write you back would you ask him what he knows about an agency in Samara called "Your Russian Future".  This is a relatively new agency, real new, and is already number three on Jim's top preferred agencies, only behind Elena's Models and AFA (I wonder if Jim get's commission on clicks from his site that goes to his number 1 and number 2 recommended agencies? Not a conflict of interest I guess). This new agency seems to be located real close to where Jim lives, uses the same host (out of California) as Jim's anti-scam site. Any information Jim has about this new agency would be appreciated.
 

Hey... Stop a little there... Felice say that my URL is wrong... but it is not my URL... if you see the first post of Felice, he write www.datingworld.net and not www.dating-world.net ... He give a wrong URL and he accuse me to have use the bad URL... He say that i speak from a other site but it is Felice who change the URL from his first post... Against someone who can reconize his own error and put it on other...

Now, i have contact Jim for he publish his explaination... Why ? I have 3 link to his site on my own site... and if i have not a good reply, i remove these links...

In any case, i have already two good link... RWD for the men and antidate & villavilla for woman ( sorry, i know that several men don't like antidate but the evolution of these forum is not bad... it is more that a black list )...

Because of the invitation of Dan, i know that the right place for help are forum and not site with only some black list... if you read my intervieuw on lillavilla, you can read that i don't trust antiscam site...

For information, i have check if Jim can earn money for refert client via the gold list... result ( more of 50% ) :

Elena's model : yes / A foreign Affair : yes / Your russian future : no / Helene international : yes / Lady from russia : yes / E-russian-women : yes / True-love : yes / Aurora Dating : yes / A volga girl : no / Kershon girls : no / Lucky lovers : yes / Romantic planet : yes / Seeking you : yes / Matchdoctor : yes / Svetlana brides : no / Latin American introductions : no / Cali VIP : no / All Colombian girls : no / Colombian sweetheart : no

And about the new site, i don't know, the owner is russian ( Vladimir Golovanov ) and was helped by Matt ????  About Jim hide himself, sorry but it is a little my fault... when i have receive the first e-mail from him long time ago, i have reply him that he was crazy... be living in russia and don't use a system for be anonyme when he black list russian agency... i have give him some advice how to hide himself... after some time, via some proxy, he was able to hide his IP.... no perfectly but it was all better... he know my capacity and it is why he have ask me to search who is Felice... but i have refuse... ethic question...

But don't worry, i think that you begin know me... i wish listen the two side... and if after some reasonable time, he don't reply, i go judge that the post of Felice is right... don't forget, i don't fear somebody, i have nothing to loose... i have not a business... i am free of all kind of pression... i am free to say what i think... i am a free electron in these dirty world...

[Felice]

Bruno why a clever man like you doesn't know more. Jim does recommend Matchdoctor, the biggest scamsite ever together with Friendfinder .Matchdoctor does never ever delete scammers, they delete the warning profiles who warn for scammers.

An American lawyer with e-mail scamprotection@yahoo.com  did research there. He did place the scammers in his prodfiles ScamRussia and ScamUkraine.

He was very proud finding from time to time a scammer, reporting them to Matchdoctor and they deleted them, after he found 40 what did take him one month to find these 40 blacklisted scammers. I asked him do you need some help? Yes please he said. I gave him hundreds of scammers. 

Than we broke the code from scamaghencies like Life in Love from Lugansk, nataly from dneprpetrovsk.A Pretty Russian from Bryansk (stilll now recommended by blacklists, what money can do?) and more like AMUR in Lugansjk still active in A Pretty Woman where owner Steve Lang  never delete any scammer, see www.russianwomenblacklist.com there: Agencies Good and Bad) show you can recognise which scamagency does bring in scammers. For example: Women's World is an everwhere blacklisted scamagency. Nowadays they call themselves Life in Love is www.lifeinlove.com They brought in for example a woman with the name Olga Frankovskaya. than they give as screenname their first name so they start with Olga than followed by _

So now they have Olga_ They continue with a part a rher last name (not necessarely) So from Frankovskaya they do take Fr

Than they have Olga_Fr Now they do continue with her ID in Life in Love this was 300 So going to ID 300 you saw Olga Frankovskaya (now deleted in Life in LoveIn Matchdoctor adding her now deleted profile in Life in love would be Olga_Fr300

Search in Matchdoctor for thois profile and you will find that despite this profile is no longer running in scamagency Life in Love they do still scam with her for monthly fee-scam for 50$ a month.

Jim has the guts to tell that he and Matchoictor do cooperate to delete scammers, Jim is a Scammer himself, he does not know anythoing from scamming except how to scam himself. Go in Matchdoctor to Scam_ElenaSoul there click on essays, you see some of the (still) running scammers in Matchdoctor. The American lawyer had to hide them otherwise Matchdoctor would delete his profile. Jim LOL the most stupid Scammer ever.

It does go on Olga Frankovskaya whose profile is still active for scamming in Matchdoctor by scamagency Life in Love has a profile in scamagency 2 Oceans of Love too The ID in this Gold Listed scamagency is rk6722

A report to Angelika Network did result in an answwer from Oksana Cook, I don't see any scam here. Of course not Angelika Network!!!

All women in Russia must study one foreign language, this can be English, French, German or Spanish, it is mostly English. This was allready in the Sovjet-time. This does mean that nearly all people younger than30 in the former GUS countries speak English. Look at all Angelika profiles, nearly all need translation!!! Do you believe it? Oksana Cook from Anelika Network calling Jim that guy with his scamsite but going on woth her fake stories that people in the former GUS countries are analphabetes .

Why marry an analphanete, an imbecile, do you believe it Bruno?

Look in most Angelika Network agencies  nearly nobody speaks English, it simply cannot be true, they know about scammer Olga Frankovskaya, they know rheir agency-owner Anna Bogdan from scamagency 2 Oceans of love is a scammer, despite that they go on fooling people andleave  2 oceans of love in as highly reputable agency, is this the best Angelika Network has to offer? . For how long still??

[Felice]

Bruno, It is even more interesting. Go to Jim's White List and Elenas Models recommended agencies. You do find A Special Lady as highly reputable. Go to http://uaprofiler.com This blacklist is shit out by all blacklists by telling the truth and blacklisting Swans Agency from your country-man. Swans Agency is parasiitic does place their profiles in Matchdoctor (and Friendfinder).  Go in in http://uaprofiler.com to scammer Julia Slepuhina You can find her by going to the scammers than last name under S (search by Google for: "scam Slepuhina" will give nice info too)

Anyway go to Slepuhina's profile in http://uaprofiler.com You read at reports that Misses Slepuhina from Lugansk  had a profile in A Special Lady having 6 photo's being 26 years old, she had a profile in scamagency www.lifeinlove.com (now deleted) but still runnning two profiles from this scamagency in Matchdoctor (check there ID Scam_ElenaSoul)  She was in Life in Love 19 yeasrs old, was blacklisted in the now closed blacklist from Bob Captain www.russianblacklist.com connected to www.russianwife.co.uk You read in Slepuhina's in Ua profiler report that despite reporting this scammer to the owner Julia Grindle she refused to delete her (also published in Stop Scammers but now deleted because of "agreements" beween IKAR INTERNATIONA (owner of Stop scammers and Dating Banner Networks) A Special Lady did refuse to delete blacklisted scammer and member of scamagency Life in Lve but did go on selling her adress despite they told: One of our clients is going to met herand we sold him a ticket to meet hin (why than still selling her adress as available). after UA Profiler pub;ished this case Slepuhina was dfeleted. The defence from A Special Lady is: We are innocent, this profile was sold by Bride.ru (same owner as Absolute Agency!!! us total scam) Bride.ru sold this ticket so we are innocent!!!

[Felice]

Bruno, Jim does nowadays advertise as being friends from RWGuide supposed to be highly reputable. RWGuide did recommend scamagency: Face of Siberia from Novosibirsk owned by scammer Ashley O'Neil and his companion John Briar.

A search in Face of Siberia did bring as scammer Tatiana Gensitskaya alis Perlaskevich running in Face of Siberia.

A search by Google does learn that Tatiana Gensitskaya was co-owner from former scamagency Pearl nowadays  Accord is www.manwomanaccord.narod.ru and  scamagency www.eternalloves.com So O'Neil and Briar have connections with Macheret!!

Nowadays O'Neil and Briar have separated, O'Neil stil lruns his scamagency in Novosibirskbut Briar scams with another agency there and continues scamming in Kherson in Ukraine with scamagencies like Get Married Now and Kherson Brides. You must buy tokens in O'Neils scamagency Face of Siberia and you have to registrate to see their data-base. The fact that the co-owner of the biggest scam-criminal of Siberia Mikhail Macharet (search by Google for: Macheret or Makharet Novosibirsk) did cooperate with reputable agency Face of Siberia recommmended  in RW Guide does tell who RW Guide is! In Elenas Models the owner of RW GUide does write a preword telling : Elenas Models is the best!!! Yes of course: Elenas Models fives 50% to her affiliates, when you buy there.

When you register in scamagency Face of Siberia than owned by Ahe scammers Ashley O'Neil and John Briar you did as elder man get two e-mails from girls interested in you. To contact them you had to buy a package from about 150$. After reporting Misses Gensitsksya as scammer, the wife from Ashley O'Neil did answer, this report is false, we know her as very reputable. After sending the blacklistings of Gensitskaya, O'Neils wife told: She is trapped by some people who are no good and we deleted her.

This all does mean O'Neil and Briar have connections with the biggest Siberian scam crininal of all times: Michael Macharet. But RW Guide did/does recommend Face of Siberia!!!

[Bruno]

He was very proud finding from time to time a scammer, reporting them to Matchdoctor and they deleted them, after he found 40 what did take him one month to find these 40 blacklisted scammers. I asked him do you need some help? Yes please he said. I gave him hundreds of scammers. 

Yep, now i understand... you are a scam hunter... and i don't like scam hunter... let me explain why...

Several woman listed in black list are listed because some man wish take revenge, because some agency wish destroy a concurrent,...

You use info from several black list for track woman... you use it like evidence... have you contact one of these woman for listen his side of the story...

Now, let go, you can put my site in your black list... i have one of two woman who are already listed to other black list... of course, i have see that they was listed but i have contact the woman and ask what have happen... and in so case, i ask copy of official document ( national or international passport ) and her evidence...

So, i have read letter of man who was classified XXX... of some man who wish that the woman pay all for the K1 procedure ( visa + trip ) and because she ask financial help for so big expense, they list the woman... of a other who have place a ads on a site but his picture was stolen by a scam agency...

Sorry, but all the scam list are not usefull because too much innocent people are listed...

If you read the rest of these forum, you can see that the true is not always what you think... read the topic "a scammer from moscow"... it is more the man who is a scammer... read the story of Greg... he have accuse a woman to be a scammer but it seem more that it is only a love story who have bad ended... only because he have not good translate a letter...

People like you are really a plague... they hunt only for place new scam like a trophy... they don't need evidence... they copy and paste what they find without think... it is people like you who make that no one scam list can be a trusted source of information...

And about Jim, i have contact him, invit him to here... we will see what happen...

[BC]

Touche'...

Bruno, one thing is for sure, what I am reading in this thread convinces me even more that this entire industry reeks. Scammers, backstabbers, profitmongers you name it they are there.

For goodness sake don't try to help them, first it's wasted time you can usefully invest uncovering the truth and second very soon the 'house of cards' will hopefully fall in on itself.

Whoever thought anti-antiscam would be needed....

[Bruno]

This article was published untill 30-03-2005 on http://www.datingworld.net under Scam Websites;

Ok, let go... now, i have find the cached version with google dated from 22/03/2005... check at http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:arL7HLW5KgkJ:www.dating-world.net/scam_scammers.htm+dating-world+jim&hl=nl ... but because the cached version is only active until the next update ( 2 week ) , i have a hard copy below...

You can compare this with the post of Felice.... some information are changed... specialy about Jim hitself... in the original, Jim is not a canadian living in russia but a American.... OK, i know that Jim life in Samara russia... but dating world say something other in the article... Felice have change the article for make it more realist and have wait that the original dissappear before post his version to several place... sorry, but i cannot trust a guys who act like this...

And now, about yourself Felice ( of maybe i can call you "MarriageAgency2003" ), why have you wait that the article dissappear from the original site for post it... yes, i forget , you have not post the original one... you have correct the false information about Jim by the true for make the article realistic... and you have begin your attack on several forum the same day with the same post... and very strange... you are member of all these forum only the day you have make the post and original article have dissappear... what is your problem with Jim... have you some personal conflict ?

And about these post against Jim, the best reply was on a other forum, the day after your post :

"i think it's the good old rubbish attempt from one dating dealer to discredit another dating dealer.
These days even free website agencies run "antiscam" pages.
Interesting enough, everybody claims half of their razor sharp database worth thousands hours of investigation was "stolen" by "the other guy who i'm tellin' ya is a crook ".
I think most of these databases are the same old same old ( some get bigger as long as people keep posting complaints ).

I don't think there's any mafia or bullsh!t like that.
If you look at that site, you'll discover it has click-through's & "recommended" agencies shared by at least 2/3 of other "antiscam" sites electing to do so."

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[align=left]- www .agencyscams. com : This website has a very tricky system that makes it look like legitimate to steer single and naive men towards agencies the owner has partnered with or owns (the owner also operates http:// jimslists. com)

The owner claims to be a Canadian living in Russia. This is a lie; the truth is he is an American or most probably a Russian agency owner living in Monterey Park city, Los Angeles County, southwestern California, USA. His website is a (marketing tool) for his scam dating networks that have fake sales sites but no contact with ladies, and often not even an office. They are virtual offices, often run out at homes in the US.

It appears that he is adding bogus listings of ladies as scammers just to appear that he is actively anti-scam. Worse yet, he has stolen a part of his scammers blacklist from other anti scam websites. He did not make this blacklist himself but did steal all the photos from other blacklists.

His Gold list is a fake; he recommends his agency, agencies that he works for and those who do pay him. (He recommends agencies as being scam-free for at least 300$ a month!.). Agencies he recommends are filled with Lugansk scammers, so for some dollars a month he is a scam expert that recommends the whole Lugansk scam-mafia!. (Lugansk is a city in Ukraine). And what he won't tell you one of his reputable agencies was before in court for scamming. This criminal won't answer any questions because he has no intention of helping anybody except himself.

Jim[/b] (This is not his real name) is a criminal recommending scam agencies for money, blacklisting legitimate agencies, because they are his competitors. He has two goals, earning money (monthly fee) by recommending agencies for at least 300$ a month. His second goal is blacklisting his direct competitors. He is a Russian criminal who is involved in marriage-agencies, most probably running a marriage-agency which is a part of a scam dating network and their goal is recommend themselves, blacklist other competitor agencies and damage their reputation to get the monopoly in dating business.

This gangster who calls himself Jim[/b] is in a close contact with Russian and Ukrainian scam mafia. He and his affiliates are only after money, they do not mind how to earn it. They will do anything to get money, destroying honest agencies by blaming them for scamming, recommending scam agencies, scamming men, fake email forwarding and translation services, bogus ladies' profiles, charging people through their credit cards after they cancel their accounts, emailing clients directly offering prostitution services to men going on tours, publishing stolen scammers' profiles from other anti scam websites and so on.

This cheater says (I am the guy that is trying to help the other guys out there and save their money). The truth is: He is only after money and the only goal from his blacklist is earning money

He and his affiliates training some of their (Ladies) on how to request money for various reasons, they also do sell women's addresses and they do not have any information about these women. You correspond with a woman for a while, and then you fall in love with her and decide to meet with her. For some objective reasons you are supposed to meet in a place somewhere away from her residence (in your country or in Europe). She asks you to sponsor her travel arrangements. You send her money and then you kiss the money good-bye

The owner of an agency in his recommended list (or as he call it Gold or white list) is at the same time a bride in her own agency and available for correspondence for 50$ a month!!, and need all letters to be translated (This is a paid service also). This woman is a well known scammer who is also running the standard visa and travel scenarios and is training her lady clients on how to request money for various reasons. At the end we got a very (reputable) agency led by scammer!! Could you believe it?

Pay him and he recommends you
His system works as following: From Agencyscams somebody in bad English approaches agencies and tell that they have scammers and need their help to get rid of them. Afterwards an e-mail in good English comes from somebody telling to be Jim[/b] and that he can recommend you for 300$ a month. Finally he puts agencies in his grey and black list if they don't answer. All the agencies and websites in his grey and black lists are honest and trustworthy. They just refused to pay this gangster.

To sum up, this gangster is really the biggest and corrupt criminal the world ever produced.[/align]
 

[Bruno]

Touche'...

Bruno, one thing is for sure, what I am reading in this thread convinces me even more that this entire industry reeks. Scammers, backstabbers, profitmongers you name it they are there.

For goodness sake don't try to help them, first it's wasted time you can usefully invest uncovering the truth and second very soon the 'house of cards' will hopefully fall in on itself.

Whoever thought anti-antiscam would be needed....

Yes, BC... it is what i see now, in some year, the "business" have change in something bad... the worm is in the apple...

Now, i don't help one of other... i only search the truth... friend of not, i don't make difference... sorry, i hate lie...

Anti-scam are not needed... if agency can work honestly, if customer can use time to be educated, 99.99% of the scam dissappear from itself... only the visa whores are enough difficult to detect but not impossible...

 

[Jack]

and you have begin your attack on several forum the same day with the same post.

Bruno, I would like to read these post's on these other forum's. Can you tell me which one's?  You can PM if you want.

Thanks

[Jack]

Hey Bruno and BC,

I agree with both of you regarding how certain so called anti-scam sites have left a really bad taste and stunk up the place. One of the truly worse, and was a scam itself, was this UA Profiler out of Lugansk. They would post ladies that I knew to be good women who lived in Kiev, and they would post them as scammers who lived in Lugansk. Even after I sent them proof of where they lived and my own knowledge of these ladies, they did not care to know the truth. Some single dis-gruntled rejected man made a false claim against a woman and now she is a scammer.

Many women have their photos stolen and used by a scammer, good women who have no idea as to why they are being accused of being a scammer.

Scam reporting has it's place in this industry if it can be verified. I for one will not post a woman as a scammer unless I have two confirmed reports from two separate individuals. On probably a half dozen times over the past few years I have had a woman write me asking why her photo was being shown as a scammer and each of these times I would get the accusers, the two or three guys who made the reports and the women in an exchange of e-mails and the guys told what she did, she read what the guys wrote and she had the chance to defend herself and in each of these cases but one the scammer disappeared, she knew she was caught. On the one time I removed a woman I had posted as a scammer one of the two men who had reported her had his e-mail bounce back to me, we could not reach him and even though the one guy who we could reach had a very compelling argument against her, and I believed him, with only his single report I decided to remove her.

I do have a suspected scammers list where the evidence is so overwhelming, but it is from a single source, that I have to classify her as only a suspect scammer.

I often wonder what procedure these anti-scam site owners go thru to verify that the women they have posted are actual scammers. I have sent an e-mail to Honest Jim asking him to explain his procedure in verifying the women he post's are scammers and am awaiting

[Felice]

BC and BrunoI see that we do come to the same conclusion, indeed blacklists are not needed. There are several people running a blacklist so-called for warning people.Their goal is let pay agencies for being recommended. How can you pay for recommendation? This is a process of good behaviour during years.

This is not the case, there are 3 professional fake blacklists using this system. Worst is Jim with his stolen profiles in Agencyscams. Another partner in BAD behaviour is Saul Hudson with his fake Antiscam.net He and Jim are fighting about who may kiss Elena Petrova's 50% affiliates!

Number 3 is www.scamalert.freeservers.com must be an American agency too, because his site was once closed while he was in Russia. Than there are the blacklists recommending their own agency, now closed because Bob Captain's fiancee Katya's relatives in Kiev  from www.russianwife.co.uk got visitors telling to be carefull.

Than the one starting these blacklists is Mafia Queen Elena Petrova. Now are running www.stop-scammers.com owned by IKAR INTERNATIONAL which agency does not delete his own scammers. There is scamagency www.1st-international.com with a small blacklist but having hundreds of Lugansk scammers which they do daily sell. There is Anti Scam Org related to True Loves does delete indeed all scammers but has no reason for existance because why joining this club of fakers.

There is Russian Scam Org where agencies have never one violation.

But Bruno and BC all blacklists must go better yesterday than tomorrow.Why they only charge from agencies, present scamagencies as being honest or recommend their own agency. The result is the same, they are all BULL better stop yesterday than tomorrow. Shout it from the roofs Bruno and BC: Blacklists go away, all!!!!!!!

Now.

[Bruno]

This is not the case, there are 3 professional fake blacklists using this system. Worst is Jim with his stolen profiles in Agencyscams. Another partner in BAD behaviour is Saul Hudson with his fake Antiscam.net He and Jim are fighting about who may kiss Elena Petrova's 50% affiliates!

Antiscam.net ??? Is it not your post at http://www.antiscam.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=2439 ...

Jack, check these URL... the text is identic to these posted by Felice... strange, isn't it ?

If he have not make these post, he have copy and past it from antiscam.net to here... if these post is from him, he use a site that he name a fake site...

Like write previously in one of my post, the article from dating-world is very different from these post here... but the post on antiscam.net is the same that these of Felice...

And now, Felice say that antiscam.net is fake and fight again Jim... if he have post on antiscam.net , he have use a site who is for him a bad site ... if he have not post, he have copy a past a article from a site who fight against Jim and give us false reference... in any case, something is not normal...

Now, about Jim, don't worry... if he don't reply to the topic in some days, i have some shoot for him too...

Jack, about scam-list... they cannot verify ... do you imagine the work ??? for black list with several hundred of scam... until now, i have know only one real scam... she have wish place a ads but the IP lead to a other place... she have send a copy of passport... but it was a false... i have send a e-mail with a cookie inside a trojan... and i have detect 3 man who have write her... for the american, it was too late... for the italian and the finland, it was just in time... together, we have ready a full report and send it.... but the antiscam site have only post the photo and the name of the woman... it was really crazy because the passport was from a man... and the man was always able to make a other scam...

The next move was more interesting, i have send the copy of passport to the foreign office in Moscow... they was very friendly... they have confirm me that the passport nummer was from a man and from the suspected city... more, they cannot inform because now a police enquete is started... not for scam but for falsification of officiel document...

For a real scammer, be listed in black list is not a problem, they use other photo, other e-mail address, ... the best way, it is to inform the official authority... but of course, in so case, you need real proof... and not only a story...

 

[Felice]

Bruno, you tell that things are strange. I never posted on Antiscam.net I never posted in forums before. I do not run any blacklist and do agree with you that any blacklist best disappears now than tomorrow. I do mean what I do say that Elena Petrova is the cause of all these problems by having started her blacklist. It is only commercial what this Mafia Queen has done.

It is bussiness why she did start her blacklist. You must see dating as a market. So furst of all find the best place to sell. Than do shout more loud than others. Find public and/or other vendors shouting: Elenas Models is the best. Than start a blacklist where you put stolen photo' s from models and some names in it. The goal is: When others are BAD than I am GOOD! Start an affiliate program and give so much to your advertisers that nobody can beat you. Now you have a list of bad agencies/scammers. Simple people must believe that you are a really honest person. You did call your women models.

The truth about Elenas Models is that her data-base is from a very poor quality. All her profiles are for free brought in into other semi-open dating-sites.

She has only a contract with an agency from Kiev which did call their "ladies" to appear in swim-suits and do some creative listing about the age of the men for whom these ladies are available. What MAFIA QUEEN Petrova does never say: Scam is crime, bring scammers and the agencies where you found them to justice. Let these agencies pay you back, let them spend time in jail. No Petrova  did put some photo's from models in a blacklist and did act to protect the world. Meanwhile going on acting as if her second class profiles found anywhere are models, selling books, using guys like Jim, Hudson, Forest Spencer  and other fakers to recommend her.

Bruno I do not have an agency, I have no blacklist, I only say that these blacklists are all cheaters and that Jim is the biggest faker of them all.

[Bruce]

All these slime balls, paid web "advice" boards, "turrs," phony agencies, phony photos, phony letters and he said, she said spats between agency owners do is drive more legitimate guys seriously looking for a bride from the FSU away from the process  :X.  It is a shame because statistically there is a need on both sides of the Atlantic for RW and American guys to meet.  I am glad I am not swimming in those waters.

[Fiorella]

Jack, about scam-list... they cannot verify ... do you imagine the work ??? for black list with several hundred of scam... until now, i have know only one real scam... she have wish place a ads but the IP lead to a other place... she have send a copy of passport... but it was a false... i have send a e-mail with a cookie inside a trojan... and i have detect 3 man who have write her... for the american, it was too late... for the italian and the finland, it was just in time... together, we have ready a full report and send it.... but the antiscam site have only post the photo and the name of the woman... it was really crazy because the passport was from a man... and the man was always able to make a other scam...
 

Well, well. Do you know that acting as a hacker is a crime?

[Jack]

Hello Fiorella,

  So Fiorella, do I get to treat you to a glass of vine, shot of vadka, bottle of beer or glass of juice in Mosocw?

  Fiorella, I think hacking is a crime but if your referring to adding this cookie as hacking then we have a LOT of companies in America who are doing this. You visit some sites and they put a cookie in you and low and behold you start getting pop up's from that company. Very annoying.

[Fiorella]

Hello Fiorella,

  So Fiorella, do I get to treat you to a glass of vine, shot of vadka, bottle of beer or glass of juice in Mosocw?

  Fiorella, I think hacking is a crime but if your referring to adding this cookie as hacking then we have a LOT of companies in America who are doing this. You visit some sites and they put a cookie in you and low and behold you start getting pop up's from that company. Very annoying.

Glass of vine or cup of cofe is ok for me, thank you.

May be I understood it wrong what Bruno said. If he means tracking cookie is one thing (althoug I check my computer regularuly for that kind of staff), but when it leads to trojan - to me it means using of kind a virus that send back all personal info.

[Jack]

hummm, only good Trojan I know is .......uh, never mind.

Bruno, you doing something illegal?

[Fiorella]

hummm, only good Trojan I know is .......uh, never mind.

Bruno, you doing something illegal?

May be it is missunderstanding but I would not like it if someone tracked my emails and look in my mailbox who write me and to whom I write...