Scammers and suspect Agencies

[jb]

Kvinna,

All well and good, but you are very willing to condemn the American man without any evidence of wrong doing. It's just to easy to blame the victum of the scam.

dearest dear, I am not afraid look like idiot in your view because I don't think about you anything good first of all

My guess is you don't think good of anybody. Frankly, I view you as a soured old prune, not very tasty under any circumstances.  I wouldn't have you anywhere near me under any conditions.  I'll bet you are the ugliest woman on the planet, scorned by all men, and this is the only place you can get your kicks.

You need to get a life outside the internet.

[Kvinna]

dearest dear, I am not afraid look like idiot in your view because I don't think about you anything good first of all

My guess is you don't think good of anybody. Frankly, I view you as a soured old prune, not very tasty under any circumstances. I wouldn't have you anywhere near me under any conditions. I'll bet you are the ugliest woman on the planet, scorned by all men, and this is the only place you can get your kicks.

You need to get a life outside the internet.


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so also you are funny ... lol

do you have something to say about subject of this topic or you are willing talk only about me?

[jb]

It's now personal, yes, we are talking about you.  When you attack a person, you are also open to questions. You have no evidence that Kevin was not telling the truth about this scam.  Truthfully, I think he was.

Are you, in fact, an ugly old prune?  Don't bother with an answer, I already know.

[Kvinna]

It's now personal, yes, we are talking about you. When you attack a person, you are also open to questions. You have no evidence that Kevin was not telling the truth about this scam. Truthfully, I think he was.

Are you, in fact, an ugly old prune? Don't bother with an answer, I already know.

 but you also have not evidence that Kevin was telling the truth

so, old fat guy, word against word...

[Turboguy]

I just love the new policy of everyone being nice to everyone.   It is always so pleasant to read all the compliments and nice comments everyone has.  

[Fiorella]

Kevin, are you police with license to investigations of crimes? If you have proof that someone make crime scamming, report all you have to loval police or Ukrainian Serurity Service. And if not, then all your words don't cost anything.

 

 

[Kevin]

Geez, I post the scammers email address, copies of the emails and they still want more proof. Have you tried emailing the interpretor yet and asking what happen. I did and she refused to answer.  Didn't like the fact that she got caught.

Also I showed a copy of lady standing in front of my office with my sign in the background proving that my office did make contact with her. I also have a writing statement from her (not the interpretor) but the scammer picking up her gifts and cash from the office.

The only thing missing is a blood sample and DNA. But if you want proof she was getting  money. I have her sign reciept for the money. Want proof that the interpretor was aware of it. Read her emails and she mentions the amount of money picked up from the office.  And why does the interpretor get the ideal the men should pay her bills, the lady is her client not the men.

But lets blame the guys. He did make a mistake and sent money to a lady he never meet in person.  Under the impression that she was interested in him. But I guess it was only the money she wanted.

[user=159]Fiorella[/user] (why not use your real name)
 This lady has been reported to the local police in Kherson and Finland when the men is from.  And Yes, I will investigate all scammers in Kherson and post there names for other to read. If they don't want to see there name on my site then they shouldn't be scamming.   But the biggest difference between you and me is I will have proof to support all of my posting on the internet.

Again orginal copies of all emails are availabile if you wish to email me off list.

thanks

Kevin Hayes

[Kvinna]

[user=159]Fiorella[/user] (why not use your real name)
This lady has been reported to the local police in Kherson and Finland when the men is from. And Yes, I will investigate all scammers in Kherson and post there names for other to read. If they don't want to see there name on my site then they shouldn't be scamming. But the biggest difference between you and me is I will have proof to support all of my posting on the internet.

Again orginal copies of all emails are availabile if you wish to email me off list.

thanks

Kevin Hayes

Ah, so that was a guy from Finland?????

By Dan: Kvinna, I edited your message to remove the link to that photo on the antidate site.

Please tell me why you chose to post that photo in response to Kevin's thread?

- Dan

[Kvinna]

By Dan: Kvinna, I edited your message to remove the link to that photo on the antidate site.

Please tell me why you chose to post that photo in response to Kevin's thread?

- Dan

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That photo is of  guy from Finland who acussed Kherson ladies from another agensies like a scammers. he merely blackmailed them to get their naked photos

if you wish you can read wholw story not only on antidate (there is in Russian) but also on antiscam.net (forum, there is in english)

[Fiorella]

Kevin, you (or better say, your wife) know email of antidate, yes, please, send us your proof.

 

[Kevin]

[user=159]Fiorella[/user] and [user=184]Kvinna[/user]

For started I made a mistake Gary is from Idaho and Not Finland. The men from Finland is name Kim Kolehmainen and he did ask that I blacklist the lady. But I am waiting on the final results from the Finland Consult and from the Kherson police who are still working on there investigation. 

It must had been Kim nude picture that you tried to post. He is quite upset that a lady from over a year ago would post such a photo on the internet. I do not understand why Kim or any guy is going to send a  nude picture to a lady that they hadn't meet in person. But this isn't a crime. Eventhough the investigation by the Kherson Police isn't complete yet, Posting a nude photo shows a low level of charactor on the ladies part to post a private photo of a men for others too see.   Since Kim is now married to another lady I don't blame him for getting upset when his photo's show up on your site.  

Natlia had join our agency but when we refused to allow her to make request for money though our agency she was removed.  She was also remove from special-lady, anastasweb (wow) and khersonpearls for asking for many gifts and money from there clients.  So this lady has a history of asking for money of being removed from agencies in kherson.

below are some of the email from Natalia to Kim asking for money.  She is already blacklisted on Unaprofiler.  Again send me an email to blacklist@khersongirls.com and I will respond back with the orginals.   

Also can you give me the link on your site that she is posing on so I can read it.  I am interested in her side of the story.  Plus how did her father do with the "emergency surgery" that she needed money for last year?

** copy of the emails used in Kim complaint ***

05-10-2004
PRIVET KIM KAK DELA?KIM MNE OCHEN NUZHNA POMOSH.ESLI
MOZHESH POMOGI SKOLKO SMOZHESH MOEMU PAPE NUZHNA
OPERACIYA U NAS NE HVATAET
DENEG.POZHAYLUSTA.OTVET.CELUYU.

Sent:
15:37:22
05-10-2004
KIM MNE OCHEN NADO DENGI POMOGI SKOLKO MOZHESH.

Sent:
15:59:11
05-10-2004
TU MNE POMOZHESH S DENGAMI?TEBE NADO MOY ADRES?

[Admin]

That photo is of guy fromFinland whoacussed Kherson ladies from another agensies like a scammers. he merely blackmailed them to get their naked photos

if you wish you can read wholw story not only on antidate (there is in Russian) but also on antiscam.net (forum, there is in english)

Kvinna, since this episode is already posted on your site (antidate) in Russian, and in English on antiscam.net, it seems there is plenty of information already on the internet about it, so we don't need to pollute our board - especially with inappropriate photos.

- Dan

[Kvinna]

Kvinna, since this episode is already posted on your site (antidate) in Russian, and in English on antiscam.net, it seems there is plenty of information already on the internet about it, so we don't need to pollute our board - especially with inappropriate photos.

- Dan

Ok Dan...

[rasmus]

It must had been Kim nude picture that you tried to post. He is quite upset that a lady from over a year ago would post such a photo on the internet. I do not understand why Kim or any guy is going to send a nude picture to a lady that they hadn't meet in person. But this isn't a crime. Eventhough the investigation by the Kherson Police isn't complete yet, Posting a nude photo shows a low level of charactor on the ladies part to post a private photo of a men for others too see. Since Kim is now married to another lady I don't blame him for getting upset when his photo's show up on your site.

Hello Kevin.

I will try to answer to your topic.

Yes, ever man or girl can send nude, naked, swimsuit pics to each other. It is not a crime.

But, why did this man post this girl to blacklists??

He wrote that the girl asked money from him.

But lady sad that Kim sent nude pics for her and requested her nude pics too. If lady will send her nude pics, Kim will removed her from scam lists.

It is unfair.

Putting girl in scam lists man specifies her home address and private cell phone number.

Ever bad guy with health problem can call or write a letter this girl with any desgusting things.

Why did Kim be right to put lady in the scamlists?

All pics and letters from Kim here:

http://www.eleo.com.ua/dating-marriage-scams/men-scammers-ru.php

http://www.eleo.com.ua/dating-marriage-scams/letters_kim_natasha.php

Best regards

Leonid Zichkov

www.eleo.com.ua
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[andrewfi]

Hmmm...

If the messages were not made up (and the guy writes like a Finn!), then I reckon somebody is more sinned against than sinning. Certainly not a clear case of nasty, nasty scammer woman unmasked. Certainly a clear indication that some people might want to reconsider their role as judge and jury in matters they know not enough about.

[Kevin]

[user=352]rasmus[/user]

Welcome to the group. I am glad you are hear since I can't get you to answer my emails dirrectly.

First about Kim.  His complaint was based on the false request for money for a Ill father and the fact that he found that she was also removed from other agencys for making money request.  Like I said before she isn't blacklisted on my site until I read all of the facts. But I do agree she tries very hard to get money from clients because she tried to do it from my agency. I also agree that the nude photo request isn't something that I would allow though my agency.

Now that you are on the list I have a a few question for you.

1. Could you be so kind as to remove the term kherson girls from you web site.  . You are using keyword such as kherson girls search engine, kherson brides last update, presents for kherson girls, ladies in Kherson girls and kherson girls thoughout your site along with the other kherson agencies causes some confusion.  I understand it is a common term but you are using it to get clients who are seeking my agency.

2. Your search engine includes the ability to search for ladies for Sex/Escort services.  Are all of the ladies in your agency available for Sex and what do you charge for this service? You are the first marriage agency/Escort service that I've seen that advertise this fact on there web page. 

3. Are you the only agency in kherson that works for Anastastia Web. 

[rasmus]

1. Could you be so kind as to remove the term kherson girls from you web site.  . You are using keyword such as kherson girls search engine, kherson brides last update, presents for kherson girls, ladies in Kherson girls and kherson girls thoughout your site along with the other kherson agencies causes some confusion.  I understand it is a common term but you are using it to get clients who are seeking my agency.

2. Your search engine includes the ability to search for ladies for Sex/Escort services.  Are all of the ladies in your agency available for Sex and what do you charge for this service? You are the first marriage agency/Escort service that I've seen that advertise this fact on there web page.  

3. Are you the only agency in kherson that works for Anastastia Web.

1. Kherson girls, Kherson brides, Kherson women, Kherson ladies are regional keywords.
Your agency has name =Kherson girls=.
Please register trade mark =Kherson girls= in Ukraine Register (in other words, please buy the right to use =Kherson girls=  keywords on your sites and other advertisments matherials from Ukraine government)and send us the document about it, and we will remove all =kherson girls= keywords and we will write =girls from Kherson=.

Agency http://khersonbrides.com/ does not ask us to remove or change all =kherson brides= keywords.

And you use our keywords here
http://kherson.com/eleomarriageagency.html

2. Thanks for your message. Our previous programmer trid to do universal dating site. We will revove it as soon.

3. As I know, some kherson agencies  work with anastsiaweb.com
 

[Kevin]

[user=352]rasmus[/user]
 Thanks for the quick reply. I will remove your name from the kherson.com site. At one time we listed all of the kherson agencies but no longer do.

I do not have kherson girls copyrighted in Ukraine. But I do have it copyrights in America.  I will work on getting the copy right for Ukraine.  . I was thinking more on the lines of ethical rights. 

Also since you are in contact with Natasha and I guess she is in your agency.  I would like to see some proof that her father was in the hospital. If she provide this proof that her request for money for her father emergency surgery would be justified and I will remove Kim complaint. If however there was no emergency and I believe this is the case because we couldn't find any records of her father in the hospital then you would have to agree that requesting money for Emergency surgery was a scam.   Just send me a email with her father full name, the name of the hospital and dates he was in the hospital and I will have my office verify it and I will post the results.   This should be a very easy way to resolve the question (Scammer or Not a scammer).

Again welcome to the group.

[rasmus]

[user=352]rasmus[/user]
 Thanks for the quick reply. I will remove your name from the kherson.com site. At one time we listed all of the kherson agencies but no longer do.

I do not have kherson girls copyrighted in Ukraine. But I do have it copyrights in America.  I will work on getting the copy right for Ukraine.  . I was thinking more on the lines of ethical rights.  

Also since you are in contact with Natasha and I guess she is in your agency.  I would like to see some proof that her father was in the hospital. If she provide this proof that her request for money for her father emergency surgery would be justified and I will remove Kim complaint. If however there was no emergency and I believe this is the case because we couldn't find any records of her father in the hospital then you would have to agree that requesting money for Emergency surgery was a scam.   Just send me a email with her father full name, the name of the hospital and dates he was in the hospital and I will have my office verify it and I will post the results.   This should be a very easy way to resolve the question (Scammer or Not a scammer).

Again welcome to the group.

About Kim.
You can place lady in the black list of your agency provided that your clients or translators complained of the girl.
Men who are not your clients can want to revenge girls, as in this case to Kim Natasha.
Your right to put Kims conlaint on your site.
But if Kim will put the lady in pther public scamlists (like antiscam.org, etc.) we will contact to scamlists admin and we will send whole picture of this history.

Best regards, Leonid

[andrewfi]

Errmmm sorry to be a sadsack, but...

Kherson is a name of a city, girls are young women. Kherson girls are young women from Kherson.

Good luck in persuading anyone that you can have copyright in a generic pair of words that used together but seperately together form another generic description, especially when they have been used elsewhere previously.

BTW, as you obviously did not know, copyright is automatically granted when a work is created. If you had registered a copyright formally, which can still be done, then normally a copyright symbol would be attached to the created work in a visible manner.

Some guys are just funny.:dude:

Perhaps you might want to consider registering the word 'Khersongirls' as a trademark, it is not noted as such on your website, nor is it yet, apparently, registered in the US. Fly, fly like the wind!

BTW, it looks as though you do what you accuse your competitors of doing, in that you use your competitors trade names to link to your site. You are a kind hypocritiacl sort of a bloke are you not?

[Kevin]

Leonid

 Natasha isn't on our blacklist because of our requirement that the Kherson police complete an investigation or the evidence that is so strong that is it quite obvious what they are doing. In Natasha case we haven't been able to verify if her father was in the hospital or not  That is why our blacklist in kherson is a small list at this time.  You will notice we have only 4 ladies on our list. http://www.khersongirls.com/blacklist/blacklist.htm    I do have another list of ladies that have complaints filed against them that I do not publish it but I do provide the complaints to people who are asking about a lady so they can make there own decisions.

I also understand that many ladies that show up some blacklist list do not belong on these list.  That is why I have such strict requirement to be blacklisted on my site.  But at the same time there are many  ladies who shouldn't be allowed to join agencies because they have only a single desire in that is money.

It is very difficult for US Americans not to offer our assistance to these ladies by nature and the ladies know this.  That is why agencies should take the responsibility and ensure that there ladies are sincere and not just out shopping.  I have no problem removing a lady from my agency no matter how beautiful she is if she tried to scam a client. At the same time I have no problem remove a client from my agency if he isn't sincere.   We have to give the same respect and rights to both the ladies and men.

I hope I clarified my stand on this issue.

[rasmus]

Leonid

 Natasha isn't on our blacklist because of our requirement that the Kherson police complete an investigation or the evidence that is so strong that is it quite obvious what they are doing. In Natasha case we haven't been able to verify if her father was in the hospital or not  That is why our blacklist in kherson is a small list at this time.  You will notice we have only 4 ladies on our list. http://www.khersongirls.com/blacklist/blacklist.htm    

Kevin, do not mislead members of a forum.
The request of money (even if it was)  not a crime side - it is a  moral side.
The work of Kherson police - to investigate robberies of foreigners, theft of things at foreigners etc.
They will not investigate the request of money.
If man has really sent the money for lady, has  copies of  money orders and other documnets and would complain in police - then they would do it.

And now askiing for money in e-mail o SMS can be the reason to put lady in the scam list, but not to police.

Or do your want to say that your marriage agency has a police functions??

hm...................

[Bruno]

Errmmm sorry to be a sadsack, but...

Kherson is a name of a city, girls are young women. Kherson girls are young women from Kherson.

Good luck in persuading anyone that you can have copyright in a generic pair of words that used together but seperately together form another generic description, especially when they have been used elsewhere previously.

Yep, Very Funny...

First a sexual ill men who have problem with a scammer... for myself, you can post the two, woman and man... in black list... of maybe they can marry, they will make a lot of little scammer together...

Second, keywords are not with copyright... Everyboy who sheel softaware for windows can use the keyword "windows" without the copyright symbol... only if the word windows is on the text page, what is see by the visitor, you need to inform "Windows" is a trademarks of Microsoft or ads the copyright symbol...

Hey Dan, copyright the three words "Russian", "Woman", and "Discussion"... so, other people can not use it... imagine the result after... each guys who type "Russian woman" in search engine will have for result only your site ... yep, some million visitor each days... seriously, this become ridiculous...

And how, American have can copyright the name of a foreign city... is the ambassy of Ukraine in USA paying you some right for use the name of "Kherson" on his site :D:D... really, American, you always surprise me... maybe i need copyright my family name before some American make it :?...

[Kevin]

If you wish to promote these types of ladies in your agency you may do so. I will not and will do what ever I can to stop these ladies from lying to men for fiancial gains.

 Every scammers and scam agency  likes to accuse me of being a marriage agency police department. And every client who gets married though my agency accuse me of doing a great job keeping the scammer out of my agency.  Maybe it is my law enforcement background that drives me to protect others. but just because the scammers do not like it isn't going to get me to stop.

[Kevin]

Bruno

The term I copyrighted was khersongirls.com .  Not the city name but the name of my agency.  In American you can copyright just about anything.  The term "your fired" is copy righted by Donald Trump and it is a common term.