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Beware Natalia from Kazan
« on: January 18, 2007, 03:42:23 PM »
Met Natalia (no last name) from Kazan on a personals site.
First couple of letters she tells me she has no phone. Suspicious.
This is how it progressed:

Letter 1:

----- Original Message ----- From: "Natalia" <Natalia111@list.ru>
To:
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 1:08 PM
Subject: Hello my friend !!!


        Hello my friend !!!
I so am glad to receive your letter,
let it not such big, but it is very pleasant. I looked forward to hearing
from you. Because as I have told earlier, I liked your structure.
I want to tell, that I to not have a house of the computer. I to write
to you from work. I work in agency on sale of female cosmetics.
And at us at work only one computer. It is the computer of my Boss.
It very kind person and it has allowed to write to me to you from
his computer. I was bad to know the computer. But I accepted the
friend at work as I can write to you and I at once have understood all.
I am not fast to understand the English language as I am
simple to love this language when to go to school and institute.
Therefore forgive me at once for my mistakes, well? Now I want to
tell you slightly about myself. I was born in Russia, in Beautiful city
Kazan. My day a birth on December, 25, 1978. Now to me of 28 years. I have finished school
after that Institute, but now I work at all on a trade. I simply find
people which want to sell or buy an cosmetics. I live with parents.
My mum name Maria and Daddy Nyrmyhamet. In family I one, at me is not
present the brother the sister. So I have turned out that to not have
the apartment. And I am glad that I live with Mum and with Daddy.
I very much love them. tell to me too about your family, well?
I heard that in other countries at people a lot of close, it is the truth?
And as I want that you spoke about yourselves more. I was interesting
to what type of girls to you for liking? As if you have more photos
I very much would like to see them. I shall send you the photos.
I have many photo. But I should make them on this computer.
And I shall send you. Today I have made only one photo. I hope
to you to like. Still I want to tell that I have access to the
computer approximately 30 minutes per day. As my work consists
in movement. I am constant to go to search for clients on the
purchase or sale of cosmetics. But I want and I shall write to
you each day. I want to learn each other more. Earlier I did not
think never of moving to other country. But who knows? Probably all!!!
Now it is time to me to go. I shall wait your letter tomorrow.
And as I shall write to you much. Also I want to write you more,
Well?
Your new friend Natalia

Letter one hooked me. Seemed Sincere.

Letter 2:  Now on this letter look at the typo about 2/3 of the way down. She calls me CARL. I am not Carl!!!


        Hello my friend Mark !!!
I am again glad to see your letter, and I very much
It is glad that we learn each other better. As soon as I to reach work,
I at once to go to the computer and to search for your letter.
I do not know why, but I not
Might fall asleep this night. I all to think of your answer to me. Now I want
To tell you about my life. After I have finished to study, I have not found work.
And little bit later to me has offered to go the girlfriends to work in this Agency. And now
I work here 4 years. My wages not big, but are enough of one to me.
I think you understand, that I do not have any close person and I never to be it is married.
So it has turned out that I always avoided acquaintance to whom or. I want to tell why
I decided to write to you. I have girlfriend, its name Irina, she 3 more years back
Has found in Agency the love. She had acquaintance in the man from his Germany
Name Albert. And I already for a long time wanted to try the happiness in this agency. But now
One more girlfriend works for me there. And she to advise me to choose
Persons which to like me. And further to write to it by hand. And, I
To choose you and to write to you. And now I receive already second your letter. I hope that
We shall learn each other much. Now I to be at work. And through some
Minutes I will need to go. As I to speak earlier, that my work consists
In that to be constant somewhere. I as want to inform you that
I like from life. I like to go to cinema, and madly I love summer! As well as all
I like to listen to music. At us in Russia a lot of good music. I do not know, know
Whether you something from Russian music? I like both quiet and dancing music.
Still I always dreamed to learn to play Baseball, at us in Russia it not so is widespread
As at you. And you played it? I much that like, but at me usually was not present on it
Time. My business hours it from 8.00 till 19.00 . I know that at you is Am and Pm. and me
Very interestingly how many time divides us. But I to not know
It is exact. And you to know it? I think that now at you much less time than at me.
CarlI want to tell as that you were fair with me and I as I shall be fair with you.
I do not like when people to deceive. I to respect fair people. I hope that at us with you such bad
Attitudes will not be. I want to tell at once, that you have very much liked me. And I not where to not
hasten.
But, if something in me was not pleasant to you or to not like, speak it at once, Well?
I very constraining person. And I worry slightly when to write to you... I hope you to understand me, and
that
That I to write to you. Now it is time to me to run, on my work. I want to write to you much. Also want
that you to write to me much.
I to apply one more photo. I hope to you to like. I shall search for your letter tomorrow,
Approximately in same time when to be at Work. My Mum as sends the regards to you.
Because I to speak it, that I to write to the person from other country. And she is glad that I have found the
friend. You see you my friend?
I speak you up to tomorrow my friend.
Natalia


When I asked her about Carl...no response. At this point I suspected she wasn't even reading the mails.

Letter 3 still pretty normal

Hello, Mark!
How are you doing? I'm doing fine!
Thank you for your answer on my last e-mail so much, Mark. In my
opinion, it's so wonderfully, that we are writing to each other,
because from our messages we learn about each other more and more,
really, Mark? I'm interested in our correspondence very much, it's
very interesting to learn about you, about your life in your country,
believe me, as a whole, I read your letters with a huge pleasure!
Ok, Mark, I hope that it will be interesting for you to learn
about my enthusiasmes, my favourite things as a whole:)
From music???:) I like to listen the russian and foreign musical
executors. From Russian musical executors I like to listen the songs
of the following groups 'Zemfira', 'Splin', 'Avaria', 'BI-2', and so
on. Did you heared about this musical groups? Ok, from the foreign
executors I like to listen ' Bon Jovi ', 'U2', ' Cranberries,
' Scorpions,'Elton John ', and so on. In general, I like to listen
good and modern music, Mark, and what kind of music do you like?
It would be interesting to me to learn about it. Please, tell me, ok?
From movies? I like to look the comedies, fantastic films, romanticism
and so on. But very huge impressions have left to me the films 'The
Lord Of Rings', 'Titanic', 'The vanilla sky'. I hope what you looked these films?
But especial impression was for me as the film ' The Patriot ' by an
actor Mel Gibson, where the war between England and America is
described. This film has liked to me by that this film show the
natural spirit of the patriotism, the love to a Native Land! I
consider, that it's very important qualities, which should have all
people on the world! Really? Mark, I hope that you looked this
film too, and that you had a magnificent impressions from a viewing of
this film. Mel Gibson has played his role as a talented actor on my
opinion! I liked to look the film ' Cruel Intentions', on my opinion,
it's very sensual and instructive film for all youth. Also from
comedies I liked the film ' Me, Myself And Irene ' by the comic actor
Jim Carrey:) I hope that you looked this so ridiculous film:) From a
fantasy, I liked film ' Planet Of The Apes', it's a very entertainment
film in my opinion '.
Also I want to tell to you, that I like to read the books, especially
the literature of the domestic writers: Tolstoy, Chehov, Pushkin, and
so on. But I was in huge delight from a reading of th book S. King
' The Dark Tower ', in my opinion, it's very interesting book, where the
main hero Roland is a purposeful man, he goes to the purpose, to a
dark tower, and I like the quality of Roland is the purposefulness! I
consider, that this one of the important qualities of any man. I hope
what you will agree with me, really, Mark?
About food? Ok, from the favourite food dishes, I want to allocate a
fried potatoes, various kind of the soups, also I like a meat too, I
don't want to hide it from you:) I like the fish and chicken very
much, do you like the chicken? It's so tasty, really? Also I like a
pizza very much. It's very tasty too, I like pizza with a cheese. I
would like to say you that I like a fruit and vegetables, especially,
an apple lemon, orange, banana, tomatoes, cucumbers and so on, there
are many kinds of vitamins. Mark, do you like to cook? I cook not
bad as my family and the friends said me at once:)
Also about my favorite kind of sports, I like to sport very much, do
you like it? In winter I like to ski, it's cool to be on the fresh
air. Also I like to play on volley too. But most of all I like to
aerobic, we are with my girlfriend Natasha engaged by the aerobic in
the free time, on my opinion, this kind of sport helps to support my
body in the good form. Also I would like to say to you that I like to
dance ball dances:) Have you ever danced the ball dance with any girl?
:) It's so attractive and beautifully, really, Mark? I'm sure,
that you would like to dance the ball dancing with me at once?:) It
will be wonderful! Probably, in the future, we will dance the ball
dancing with you, it would be cool! Really?:)
About my hobbie? I like to collect various beautiful female magazines,
about a style, about female life for example and so on. For a small
period of the time, I have a large collection of different magazines.
Simply, I like to read the best magazines.
I would like to tell you about my dreams too. I'm dreaming to drive a
car in the future, it would be so cool and interesting. But I want to
tell, that our family don't have the car, it's very expensive to buy
the car, but our father has told that probably, through two years, he
will can to buy the car and I'll can to learn how to drive the car:)
Mark, would you like to learn me how drive a car at once?:) It
will be kindly since your side:)
By the way, my parents and friends ask about you all time:) Especially
my parents, I have told to my parents, that you are decent and good
man, my parents are very pleased to our ñorrespondence on the Internet
and our relations, Mark. My parents wish to us a good relations in
the future, and it's possible, in the future, if we will be together
in your country, they would want that we will be a magnificent pair
too:) But remember, Mark! We should learn each other ever more and
more! Really.? It's very important for me, Mark! The fact in
that, if you know, that on the statistics, majority of a pairs are
separated because they knew each other not enough, and I don't want to
do a mistake at once, I hope that you will can to understand me,
Mark, really? As I spoke you earlier, we must to learn about each
other more and more from our e-mails. As I want to tell, that we can exchange
By home addresses. To avoid in case of something, loss of dialogue. And I shall be can
To write to you the letter by hand. And as I could cause you on the phone. I am insulting, that not
To have of the telephone of a house. But I could cause you from telegraph. As you look at it.
I very much would want to hear your vote. Now it is time on my work. Forgive me for
Each my mistake, I hope you understand that I to you to write. I shall wait your letter
Tomorrow very much. I speak you up to tomorrow!
Your friend Natalia.

-0- Next letter. You see in the first one or two she says she has no phone?  Read her excuse for not wanting mail delivered to her home!!!


Hello, Mark!
How are you doing? I'm doing fine!
Thank you for your answer on my last e-mail so much, Mark. In my
opinion, it's so wonderfully, that we are writing to each other,
because from our messages we learn about each other more and more,
really, Mark? I'm interested in our correspondence very much, it's
very interesting to learn about you, about your life in your country,
believe me, as a whole, I read your letters with a huge pleasure!
Ok, Mark, I hope that it will be interesting for you to learn
about my enthusiasmes, my favourite things as a whole:)
From music???:) I like to listen the russian and foreign musical
executors. From Russian musical executors I like to listen the songs
of the following groups 'Zemfira', 'Splin', 'Avaria', 'BI-2', and so
on. Did you heared about this musical groups? Ok, from the foreign
executors I like to listen ' Bon Jovi ', 'U2', ' Cranberries,
' Scorpions,'Elton John ', and so on. In general, I like to listen
good and modern music, Mark, and what kind of music do you like?
It would be interesting to me to learn about it. Please, tell me, ok?
From movies? I like to look the comedies, fantastic films, romanticism
and so on. But very huge impressions have left to me the films 'The
Lord Of Rings', 'Titanic', 'The vanilla sky'. I hope what you looked these films?
But especial impression was for me as the film ' The Patriot ' by an
actor Mel Gibson, where the war between England and America is
described. This film has liked to me by that this film show the
natural spirit of the patriotism, the love to a Native Land! I
consider, that it's very important qualities, which should have all
people on the world! Really? Mark, I hope that you looked this
film too, and that you had a magnificent impressions from a viewing of
this film. Mel Gibson has played his role as a talented actor on my
opinion! I liked to look the film ' Cruel Intentions', on my opinion,
it's very sensual and instructive film for all youth. Also from
comedies I liked the film ' Me, Myself And Irene ' by the comic actor
Jim Carrey:) I hope that you looked this so ridiculous film:) From a
fantasy, I liked film ' Planet Of The Apes', it's a very entertainment
film in my opinion '.
Also I want to tell to you, that I like to read the books, especially
the literature of the domestic writers: Tolstoy, Chehov, Pushkin, and
so on. But I was in huge delight from a reading of th book S. King
' The Dark Tower ', in my opinion, it's very interesting book, where the
main hero Roland is a purposeful man, he goes to the purpose, to a
dark tower, and I like the quality of Roland is the purposefulness! I
consider, that this one of the important qualities of any man. I hope
what you will agree with me, really, Mark?
About food? Ok, from the favourite food dishes, I want to allocate a
fried potatoes, various kind of the soups, also I like a meat too, I
don't want to hide it from you:) I like the fish and chicken very
much, do you like the chicken? It's so tasty, really? Also I like a
pizza very much. It's very tasty too, I like pizza with a cheese. I
would like to say you that I like a fruit and vegetables, especially,
an apple lemon, orange, banana, tomatoes, cucumbers and so on, there
are many kinds of vitamins. Mark, do you like to cook? I cook not
bad as my family and the friends said me at once:)
Also about my favorite kind of sports, I like to sport very much, do
you like it? In winter I like to ski, it's cool to be on the fresh
air. Also I like to play on volley too. But most of all I like to
aerobic, we are with my girlfriend Natasha engaged by the aerobic in
the free time, on my opinion, this kind of sport helps to support my
body in the good form. Also I would like to say to you that I like to
dance ball dances:) Have you ever danced the ball dance with any girl?
:) It's so attractive and beautifully, really, Mark? I'm sure,
that you would like to dance the ball dancing with me at once?:) It
will be wonderful! Probably, in the future, we will dance the ball
dancing with you, it would be cool! Really?:)
About my hobbie? I like to collect various beautiful female magazines,
about a style, about female life for example and so on. For a small
period of the time, I have a large collection of different magazines.
Simply, I like to read the best magazines.
I would like to tell you about my dreams too. I'm dreaming to drive a
car in the future, it would be so cool and interesting. But I want to
tell, that our family don't have the car, it's very expensive to buy
the car, but our father has told that probably, through two years, he
will can to buy the car and I'll can to learn how to drive the car:)
Mark, would you like to learn me how drive a car at once?:) It
will be kindly since your side:)
By the way, my parents and friends ask about you all time:) Especially
my parents, I have told to my parents, that you are decent and good
man, my parents are very pleased to our ñorrespondence on the Internet
and our relations, Mark. My parents wish to us a good relations in
the future, and it's possible, in the future, if we will be together
in your country, they would want that we will be a magnificent pair
too:) But remember, Mark! We should learn each other ever more and
more! Really.? It's very important for me, Mark! The fact in
that, if you know, that on the statistics, majority of a pairs are
separated because they knew each other not enough, and I don't want to
do a mistake at once, I hope that you will can to understand me,
Mark, really? As I spoke you earlier, we must to learn about each
other more and more from our e-mails. As I want to tell, that we can exchange
By home addresses. To avoid in case of something, loss of dialogue. And I shall be can
To write to you the letter by hand. And as I could cause you on the phone. I am insulting, that not
To have of the telephone of a house. But I could cause you from telegraph. As you look at it.
I very much would want to hear your vote. Now it is time on my work. Forgive me for
Each my mistake, I hope you understand that I to you to write. I shall wait your letter
Tomorrow very much. I speak you up to tomorrow!
Your friend Natalia.

-0-  WOW now her family and friends now me.


        Hi my dearest friend Mark!
Mark, I was so happy to get your answer again and again, it was so
good part of my day when I have saw your words in the computer. It's ok now.
Dearest Mark, I see that we are interested in each other more and
more, and I think that it's so good for us, because I have so good and
liked friend as you, Mark. I'm so interested by you Mark, that
my life became better than before an acquaintance with you, Mark,
I feel it, really. You are so good friend, you can understand me as a
good friend to good friend, and I think that it's important thing in
the life. Mark, I see that you trust me, as I do it with a great
pleasure to you, and I think that it's so good thing in our
friendship, really, Mark? I hope that you understand me, Mark,
that in my opinion, all people in the world must to understand each
other in spiritual plan of a dialogue. Do you agree with me, Mark?
Tell me about it, ok?
By the way I want to say to you that believe in God very much, I
believe in Jesus, I am a Christian woman as I said you earlier. I like
to go to Church (Russian Ortodox), it's not far from our bar too. Our
City's Church is a very beautiful place, there is a lot of an
beautiful icons too, I like this. The priests sing beautiful songs and
I like it very much. This so calms my soul when I have a bad mood too.
But now, I want to say to you that your e-mails calms me too when I
have a bad mood, I feel it, Mark. My by a road I as want to tell,
At my work everyone know, that I to write to you the letter and they very interestingly,
What life at you. And all for me are glad. I hope that all will be good.
And we shall write each other each day.
My dear friend Mark, also I want to ask you your full name and
your home address on any unforeseen case also. Please, send me it, okey?
Mark, I would like to send you my home address too. As a matter of
fact may be, possible, our director's computer will break in the any
time, as director have warned me, and I think that it will be so pity
that we willn't can to write to each other by emails during long time.
But I think that God willn't admit it, because he know that we like to
write to each other our e-mails as I feel it. Mark, I can send you
a postmails or postcards by the usual mail service also. But you must
know that will be better if you willn't send me a postmessages or
other any parcel posts, for example by our city usual pochtamt.
Mark, I want to say to you that it's so shame that we in Russia
have a peoples or some mail organizations who like steal the
postsendings of any peoples. I know many so shame, so bad cases about
it from my girlfriends. It's the shame for this peoples and
organizations, realy? I hope that in your country all ok with
postorganization. Please, don't send me anything by the our city's
pochtamt, I don't want that your postsending will stealed by any
thieves! But I will give you my home address and my full name on any
case.
It's here:
My full name is Natalia,
City Kazan,
Street Krasnoarmejskaja, the house 74, apartment 41
Index 424031
Russian Federation
Please, write this datas on a paper on any cases, ok, Mark?
I so want to hear your
voice, it will important for me to hear your voice, Mark.
Could you give me the telephone number, I could search
Whence you to cause. On this
note, I will finish my e-mail to you. Please, answer me soon, ok,
Mark? I will wait for your messages, Mark.
ALSO AS IT'S USUAL,
'HELLO' TO YOU
FROM MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS TO YOU!!

MY BEST FRIENDS HUGS TO YOU!
Sincerely, your dear friend,
Mark.

Now, for some reason the next letter got lost. In that letter she gave me the "I love you" "I have a friend who who has a friend that can give me a visa".

After this letter I began to check and found her IP address listed among other scammers.

I then checked various sites and found her on them.

When I wrote and asked about it she stopped writing.

OK, just to satisfy my curiosity I had to hire scam check.

This is my response:

This message is regarding the order number 1168555986 for delivery to Natalia (Unknown Last Name).


We went to the address you specified:

 #74 Krasnoarmejskaja  Apartment 41 in Kazan, I l Russia l I.



We found that there is no such   person at that address.

We asked the surrounding residents if they knew Natalia  at that address, but they said that they did not know such person.



Based on the these findings, we may suggest that Natalia is likely a scammer.

If you wish, you may submit her to the scammer blacklist on our site: http://www.russianscamcheck.org/cgi-bin/submit_scamer.cgi

Regards,

Olga Samoilenko,

Russian Scam Check, Customer Service


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Re: Beware Natalia from Kazan
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2007, 04:37:40 PM »
Mark, I'm impressed how Fat Yuri has written your name so much throughout his cut and paste letters, otherwise this is standard scammer stuff. A lot of talk about nothing, very few questions asked about who you are and then the scammer falls in love with you, a stranger.
Fund the audits, spread the word and educate people, write your politicians and other elected officials. Stay active in the fight to save our country. Over 220 generals and admirals say we are in a fight for our survival like no other time since 1776.

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Re: Beware Natalia from Kazan
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2007, 05:30:16 PM »
This is as standard of a scam as they come.  Right away, the familiar form letter "...I xx years of age..."  "Mum is....Daddy is...." and the wrong name, "Carl" - and not answering direct questions - don't need to go any further than that.

Scam - end of story.

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Re: Beware Natalia from Kazan
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2007, 03:39:42 AM »
Mark, I'm impressed how Fat Yuri has written your name so much throughout his cut and paste letters, otherwise this is standard scammer stuff.

Not really a problem... make a form letter where the name of the guy is "qwerty"  : " My dear qwerty, ... bla bla bla ... i love you my teddybear qwerty ... bla bla bla ... qwerty, since i am short of money for the visa, can you ... bla bla bla ... "

With the text editor, simply use the "search and replace function" ... seek "qwerty" and replace it by any name... any scammer know this... these one is certainly a "newbies"... a professional scammer don't ask money, but drop hints in each letter... when it is good make, it is yourself who will propose money to her ( him ) after some time...

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Re: Beware Natalia from Kazan
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2007, 03:45:23 PM »
This has been an education thread on the behavior of men. The scammer's photo where she shows a lot of leg got the most views. Tied for second place, as I type this, are the photos where she's bent over and has her ass reared up. The simple head shot where she's smiling, with no cleavage, ass or legs involved, is dead last with ZERO views.
Fund the audits, spread the word and educate people, write your politicians and other elected officials. Stay active in the fight to save our country. Over 220 generals and admirals say we are in a fight for our survival like no other time since 1776.

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Re: Beware Natalia from Kazan
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2007, 05:57:56 PM »
Scammers are notorious about writing totally meaningless dribble. She has only 30 minutes a day on computer, but she sure does write a lot about movies and music.  Must spend a lot of time the night before preparing  about the plots in those movies and about the actors and musical groups. Scammer think wrongly that the more they write about meainingless dribble, the more you will think they are interested in you. And to be able to write that much every day! Let's face it, most of us do not have a lot happen to us from day to day. We get up, go to work, come home,  do a few odds and ends and then go to bed. Sometimes, some of the best emails from someone who is interested in you or cares about you, are the shortest ones that just want to let you know they are thinking about you that day, or says something short and sweet that makes you smile.
« Last Edit: January 19, 2007, 06:00:03 PM by wxman »
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Re: Beware Natalia from Kazan
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2007, 07:48:16 PM »
Anytime I get a letter from a lady where I suspect it is a form letter
... which is acceptable at first, I send them back a short letter with a few bullet point
questions. If they write me again and don't address my questions, because I am such a nice guy I give them one more chance at it.
Usually you can send them anything at all, I have even copied and pasted their own letter back to them and they will send the "next round".

Unless you are a superstud looking guy (Like me :) and someone writes you out of a thousand other profiles, it is almost always a scammer unless,... you are signed up with some agency or you post a "new profile" and it is right up front.

At least that been my experience ::)


 

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