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Riga Trip Report
« on: January 24, 2007, 01:24:07 AM »
23rd January, 2007

The Three Faces of Riga

I took a Fokker 50 with AirBaltic from Hamburg to Riga and as soon as the doors opened on the tarmac I knew I was in for a different experience.  The people on the plane looked mostly western except for a beautiful, tall, potentially high maintenance girl sitting directly behind me.  For almost the whole flight I wondered if she was intrigued by my slowly emerging bald spot but I never had the opportunity to ask because we never achieved eye contact.

She was there… but not there!

The new impressions of this strange city hit me immediately.

Smoke. That’s the first thing I smell.  Not cigarette smoke, the smell of burning grass hung heavily in the air. Immediately I made a mental check I had my asthma medication because I know at home that my asthma can sometimes become ugly I am in very unclean air.

Body odour.  After I entered the small but modern airport I walked straight up to the Visa Control counter and the thick foul smell of body odour hit me.  The two “Police Officers” behind the counter were dressed in new uniforms that looked to be of a deliberately faded green colour, and one or both desperately needed a shower and change of clothes.

There were no smiles.

He looked at my passport… Looked at me… Looked back at my passport and asks the reason for my visit. 

“Holiday, I will be here until Friday,” I replied.

“You come from Australia, that’s a very long way.”

“Indeed it is a long way,” I said, trying to keep it short.

“You have a Russian name, did you come to visit family?”

“No, I have no family here, they immigrated to Australia many years ago.”

“They went to Australia?  That’s a very long way.”

“Indeed it is a long way,” I said with a smile, hoping to get a reaction from him but all I got was the sound of the stamp smashing onto the paper and my passport back in my hand.

Waiting in the arrivals area was my taxi driver, my name written on a piece of paper.  As soon as I walked up to him he screwed up my name and tossed it in the bin.  “Welcome to Riga,” he thought, without smiling.  I say he thought this because he didn’t say “Welcome to Riga but from the way he threw my name away I was sure he meant to say it.”

He takes one of my bags and we step out into -4c air and again I make a mental note about my asthma medication.  It’s fine, my lungs aren’t twitching and the car is only 20 metres away.

His taxi is a very nice new Toyota, sparkling new and spotlessly clean.  As soon as I sit in the passenger seat I smell the sweet smell of tobacco.  The third face of Riga.

Setting off from the airport I quickly discovered everything in Riga would come in threes.

The houses around the airport are difficult to describe. Would I call them soviet style?  No, they are traditionally Latvian in style but very old and very dilapidated. Maybe the deterioration was Soviet style but the houses themselves were authentic according to the many web sites I’d studied before my trip.

The second style of building was a big surprise.  Glass and steel shopping centres 30 story office towers.  Glowing Neon lights connected the tops of the buildings to the thick foggy sky and beyond.

I’m truly surprised at the amount of construction and the amount of new investment.  Was it possible Latvia was doing so well enough economically that it can support such extravagance?  When you have slum like houses within 3 Kilometres of any sparking new monolith you can’t help but think of the people living in the houses. Where are they? What do they do?  Are the people living so modestly the same people working in those towers?

The beauty in third type of building I see is fully expected.  We’ve crossed the river and are now touching the boundary of Old Riga and I immediately recognise the subjects of many photos I’ve seen. Riga Castle is the first building I recognise.  It’s not an impressive castle but it’s the residence of the Latvia President.  Mrs President has returned to the homeland of her parents after they left for a brighter future in America.  I’ve seen her web site and read of her determination, hopes and dreams for the place of her ancestors.  She’s beautiful for a woman of her age and lion-hearted when compared to any man.

Finally we arrive at my hotel.  I’m very happy.  On the outside Hotel Forum looks as quaint and tastefully restored as I expected. I enter the lobby and find clean (if not clinical) ceramic tiling leading to a large wooden hotel desk.  To my left are leather couches that seem slightly out of place in this bathroom with no shower or tub.

The girl behind the counter is quite attractive but I don’t like the nose piercing.  Her manner is professional and clipped and she repeats the standard spiel as if she’s done it without feeling a million times before.  “Breakfast is served from 6:30 to 10:00. This is your room key. If you have any problems phone reception.”

“Ummm.. thanks, you have lovely cleavage” were the words that went through my mind, but I decided not to verbalise my thoughts. 

There’s a lift - it’s a new lift.  I can fit in the lift with both bags and my notebook but I make a mental note that if there’s any reason to bring someone back to my room during my stay I should make sure I don’t have my suitcases and notebook with me at the time otherwise I would be spoiling the mood but doing multiple trips!

My floor has a tiled hallway leading to freshly painted white walls and doors that have new electronic lacquered brass door furniture and a nice crisp feel.

My card goes into the lock and I’m surprised by having to pull the door to open instead of push.  In Australia we only ever do that in really small rooms like toilets.

I pull the door and am surprised it only opens half way until it rubs on the tiles and comes to an abrupt halt like a car breaking heavily at traffic lights.

As I look through the door I see the hallway that is my room and realize why the door opens outwards.  It’s a very small room.  A new wooden wardrobe is on the left of my “hallway”, a desk comes next, a fridge and a bin are under the desk and then I see my bed squeezed into a tiny room. This is my room.  Renovated Riga on the outside and Seductively Soviet on the inside. 

I won’t complain because it looks clean and the bathroom is spacious.  I actually feel more comfortable in the bathroom so I consider moving the desk in there so I can use my notebook in relative comfort. Instead I’m writing to you from my bed, notebook resting on a suitcase that’s wedged between my legs.

There is a chair in the corner but I can’t see how my legs would go under the desk because of the fridge, and even if I can displace the chair from being wedged between the wall and the bed I’m not sure I’d be able to get it back in there! 

I’m not sure what I’ll do in the room.  It’s not quite the respite we sometimes need when traveling, yet it’s my home for the rest of the week.

My suitcases are in the hallway because I can’t find anywhere else for them but that’s OK… falling over them means I won’t forget where they are.

Within minutes I decide I can’t stay in the room so put my coat and scarf back on and head downstairs. As I come to reception I notice that the receptionist still looks bored so I wonder if she could help me with my family questions.

I ask her name and if she can help me with something. She immediately reacts positively, I think hoping someone is about to break the boredom of her day by asking for extra towels or the location of the nearest shopping centre.
 
I explain to her that I am in Riga because my stepfather was from here and after he died I made myself a promise I would visit.  He did his shipbuilding apprenticeship at age 14 in the Riga shipyards and I am trying to visit so I can walk through the places he talked about when I was a child.

She was immediately interested but said to me Riga doesn’t have a shipyard.  This is something I’ve been told by Latvians in Australia but either they just hadn’t heard of it or Google Earth lies.

I promise her Riga has a shipyard and ask if she could help me arrange a visit there. I know some of the original buildings are still standing and I’m hoping to find the old paymasters office because it’s the location of one of my stepfather’s favourite stories about his early working life.

She grabs a Riga Tourist guide from the desktop and looks for a map. 

Nope - this map only covers Old Riga. 

Next tourist guidebook, nope - no map

Next – still no.

Next – No, we’re out of luck!

I had to wonder why a city the size of Riga had attracted so much competition in the Tourist Guidebook Business.  Four books for a city of 1 million people seemed like advertising saturation to me…

Merge my friends! Innovate, automate, become efficient and find new ways to suck the money from tourists and tourist operators!!!

Latvia’s relatively recent introduction into the EU has changed many things but I can’t help but think the evolution is just starting.

Finally I succeed in getting her to Google the shipyards and I sensed her feeling of accomplishment when she told me the URL is XYZ before clicking in the link and telling me with a big smile that she’d found it.  It was the first time she smiled and I realized she was actually a very attractive girl.

I came around behind the desk and we “rediscovered” the website together.  She went to the map and said she knows the area but never new a shipyard was there.  She clicked on some photos and showed me how big it was. 

“They do big business there, we have large ships come in, see,” as she pointed to the screen.

As I was standing behind her she asked what I wanted to do, and while I felt like saying “Nibble on your neck” I decided to ask her if she could call them and try to arrange a visit.

She commented that they probably wouldn’t be open but wrote down the three phone numbers and started dialing without success.  As she was dialing my taxi driver came back in and they started speaking in Russian but as I saw him make the hand movements for “Over a bridge and turn sharply to the left” I realized form my Google Earth studies that he was talking about the shipyards. 

With a big smile I said, “Yes, that is exactly where the shipyards are, you sound like you know it well.”

The receptionist laughed and said, “You speak Russian” but I told her that “I don’t, but (mimicking his hand movements) I speak hand movements.”

The taxi driver asks if I want to go there tonight but she interrupted by saying she was organizing the visit.  He left, we stayed.

She explained to me that she was having a day off work tomorrow but if I liked she could arrange the visit and after she finished her personal business she could come to the hotel and take me out there.

This was more pleasant than expected so of course I accepted.  She told me she finished work at 8 o’clock that night and my immediate goal was to go out for a walk and be back to the hotel by 8, and maybe take her out for a drink.

Hmmm… I never did make it back at 8!

Out into the cold I went and after walking for a few minutes I realized Old Riga’s street map looked like a bowl of spaghetti.  Small laneways with bars and hotels on each side, winding streets reminded me of those seductive pathways in gardens that hide your destination from view but leave enough to see to tempt you inside.

I decided the best idea without a map was to stay on one road and walk as far as I could.  It only took 10 minutes to reach the river so I decided to turn back and risk branching out along other streets.  As I walked back along my tracks I looked into the windows of empty bars and restaurants until I saw a modern establishment with a few barmen and three patrons.

From the back I could see one blonde haired girl was wearing knee high black boots and a tight fitting black dress.  She looked like she’d come straight from work but her workplace could have been that of a fashion model from the way she was dressed.

Well, if that’s not a good excuse to go into a bar nothing is.

The layout of the bar was uncomfortable and the only place to stand/sit was my least preferred place, behind the girl in black and well out of her line of sight. I sat down and ordered a beer with my best Australian accent and had a quick chat with the barman.  He asked where I was from and the usual Kangaroo/Koala/Nicole Kidman conversation was off and away.

I was getting no reaction from the blonde girl which was unusual after Hamburg, so I settled in to look at the glory and beauty of the back of her head.  I had no goodreason to walk around her, have a look or break the boundaries of her peripheral vision, so I waited… All good things come to those who wait!

After a while one of her friends left, leaving a male companion.  Was it her boyfriend?  Hmmm... I've flirted outrageously with girls infront of their boyfriends before...  but never so far from home.  Three new people entered the bar so that brought the total population in the bar to eight, including the barmen.

Another beer and another quick chat to the barman and I get a comment from the other end of the bar in English from a heckler with a Norwegian accent.

“Where are you from?”

“Australia, where are you from?”

“Norway, it’s a good city isn’t it.”

“Beautiful, I’ve dreaming of this visit for years.” (Keeping in mind locals from any city like to hear people say nice stuff about thier city)

He sits with his two friends, one male one female and every 20 seconds I hear the word Australia.

He calls to me from across the bar, “Do you want to come and join us?  Come and sit.”

I didn’t want to because I’d already recognised this guy as a sleaze but the one benefit was that it would allow eye contact with the blonde girl (or at least a look at her face).

As soon as I sit down he tells me the girl in his party only speaks a little English, the guy none, they are Russian and the girl wants to marry him but she is only 29 and he is 60.  He asks me how old I am, I say 38, and he tells her she should marry me.

Hmmm… tempting offer but this girl looks like she’s been living the hard life of a stripper so my interest is not aroused.

Within 90 seconds the Russian stands and says their taxi is there.  The party stands and leaves after the briefest of goodbyes.  By this time the blonde girl's last remaining friend has left and she’s sitting at the bar talking on the phone.  I sat at her friends recently vacated chair and order another beer.

As soon as she hangs up I turn to her and say, “Men are so unreliable aren’t they?”

She asks why and I tell her I can’t speak Russian but she is alone in a bar talking on the phone, and that normally means a man is late.  She laughs and says, “No, it was my mother, she wanted to know why I am not home.”  … and the conversation started.

Elfa is 24 and works in the government department for business license registrations, the same role as one as my friends in Ukraine.  I’m thinking there must still be a lot of Soviet style red tape in Latvia even though the glass and steel boom has started changing the city.

We talk on many topics, politics, religion, culture, music and more.  Her national pride is not only evident, it’s the shining thread in everything she says.

She’s passionate. Tells me about when the Germans forced themselves on Latvia.  Then the Russians.  Now its corruption.  Her countrymen are battered but not beaten!

We have things in common. We’re both Lutherans, neither of us is “interested in dating because relationships are unreliable”  ;), we both like cognac (quick change of drinks for me at that point), I introduce her to one of my favourite drinks (Jaegermeister and Dry with Burnt orange), we’re both impressed with the Latvian female President, and she’s highly impressed I knew Mrs President studied in America when her parents went there seeking a new life. 

We talk about Riga castle and website with beautiful photos of the rooms themed by Latvian history. She says she must look for the web site to see for herself, she’d not heard of these rooms before.

She tells me she was once invited to Riga Castle because the nation’s top students have a Presidential reception in the grounds once a year. She says she went but the President of the time wasn’t there.

She asked many questions about Australia but rather than talking about the kangaroos/koalas and Nicole Kidman she wanted to know about the cities and the desert.  She wanted to know about the aboriginal communities, education, healthcare, laws, corruption, prisons and travel.

She tells me her dream is to go to Australia one day and I tell her that when she is ready she should contact me because I would love to be her host. 

“When you come I will take care of you, I live very close to the city and have a lovely view across the river.  My couch is very big and you’ll be very comfortable sleeping there. I should offer you my bed but I’ve slept on my couch too many times already… [pause] and I don’t know you well enough to share a bed - yet.”

We’re having fun.  The conversation has turned to flirting and she asked me when I am leaving Riga.  I tell her that unfortunately I must go to Kyiv on Friday and after some more flirting and banter she tells me I should cancel Friday and stay in Riga so she can take me to the clubs and give me the best impression of her city.

It’s very, VERY tempting but I feel like I have to keep moving east…  Hmmm… it IS very tempting.

We leave those comments in the air and I realize it’s now 11pm so I pull out my camera purely for the benefit of RWD members.

I remember "the Gator rule" and I’m an obedient student so we pose for some photos.  After we settle back into our seats she tells me she doesn’t want me to think that women in Riga are “difficult” but they have many problems in Riga with tourists (especially coming from UK) who only come for sex.

She said when she first heard my voice behind her she thought I was English so she was trying hard not to turn around.

She said Riga has three types of girls.  (More of things coming in threes in Riga)

1. Girls who will have sex with men for a few drinks in a bar,
2. Girls who will have sex for money, and;
3. Girls that won’t talk to foreign men because they suspect all foreign men are sex tourists.

I was tempted to ask her if she was a Type 1 girl but remembered what my mission in FSU is, so I bite my tongue. 

I told her I was happy I met a girl that would normally never talk to foreigners, and I was even happier she broke the rules by talking to me.

She asked if I was married, I said no, but one day I would be.  She said she would like to be married one day but now she is concentrating on her career.  I asked if she wanted children and she said she did but not now (I wasn’t offering at that exact time)… “but Maybe when I am 28.”

She asked if I was on this trip to get married and I said “No, but if I meet a girl I think is a good person on the inside then I would return in summer to spend more time with her.”

“I want to be married again one day, but not to just anyone. I want a wife who remembers what is important in life, and when I find her we will do important things.”

I was joking that my German vocabulary was better than my Russian so maybe I should look for my wife in Germany.  She was very serious when she said, “Yes, but in Germany the girls are not as attractive as in Latvia I think.”

I can’t disagree with that.

Anyway…  all in all a very interesting first 8 hours in Riga.

We swapped email addresses. She asked me to email her if I could change my flights and said she would like a new friend from Australia.

I walked her to the tram stop and kissed her on the cheek before she boarded, turned and said to me, “Email me tomorrow, we can meet again.”

With that, she was off…
 
I spun on my heel and skipped (on the inside) back to my hotel knowing that the Art of Attraction does indeed work in FSU.

Upon entering the hallway which is my hotel room, I realized how tired I was.  I have a busy day tomorrow and am hopeful the Receptionist comes in to help me get to the shipyards.

If not, I’m sure there are many opportunities to meet some girls and drink in the sights, sounds and smells of my stepfather’s former home.

Gents, sorry if this post is extraordinarily long.

In my trip reports I’m hoping to give you an insight into the places I visit and the places I’m visiting.

Since being a member of RWD I’ve been concerned that so much of this pursuit is about the girls and not the experiences we can have while away.  I think if we have broad interests and deep knowledge we’ll be more interesting to the girls we meet anyway.

My early impression is that it’s very possible to meet girls in normal life whilst here.  Elfa isn’t interested in a westerner. She recongises the difficulties in her country but she’s fiercely proud of it.  She wants to be a small part of fixing it and giving it freedom and prosperity.  Meeting Elfa reminded me that we’re all looking for love, but we all need trust and confidence before we take that step.

Dating sites are a great way to make an initial contacts but dating on the ground is probably also possible for many men.

Whoever attempts “on the ground dating” should gives themselves a reality check first because if you’re not a successful dater at home, you won’t be a successful "on the grouond dater" here.

I think I’ve got fairly “advanced dating skills” at home, and therefore I think the process of meeting/flirting/dating in Riga will be similar for me as it is at home, albeit with a much more limited timeframe to play with.

I’ll contact Elfa today and I hope to catch up with her before I leave.  She’s the sort of girl I like because she is a thinker… and I find that very sexy!

Kuna
« Last Edit: January 24, 2007, 02:22:10 AM by Kuna »

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Re: Riga Trip Report
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2007, 02:15:50 AM »
You seem to be on a good roll to start off with and I suspect it will only get better.

Sounds like Riga has struck you pretty much the same way it struck me, but from my impressions, the Latvain pride has driven them at a faster pace of advancement since the breakup of the FSU than a lot of other areas. 

Just remember it is 48% Russian and there is often not much love lost between the two.  Don't tread on toes. I loved the place and I'll be interested to see how you find it after a few days.  If you get the opportunity, visit the museum in the centre, I spent hours there reading the progress of the country.

Continue to enjoy the scenery, animal, vegetable and mineral.

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« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2007, 02:43:12 AM »
Besides they are being helped by European money since they joined EU.

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« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2007, 03:04:43 AM »
sounds like a great start!

Good luck

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« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2007, 06:11:36 AM »
Someone else who has been to Riga. I found it charming to an extent and corrupted to an extent. A strip club in the Hotel Riga where I was staying. Russian mafia everywhere, beggars on the street and hookers approaching me asking if I want some company. Take the white taxi because all the others will charge an arm and a leg. Did you have dinner at Lido's? I made an ally in an American who runs a tour group. We had dinner at Lido and he told me about the white taxi, where the good money exchange was (in a shoe store of all places) and that the Mafia pretty much owned the hotel I was staying at. All in all it was a nice experience except the people are very remote. There is a nice MacDonald's.

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« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2007, 06:18:01 AM »
Just remember it is 48% Russian and there is often not much love lost between the two.  Don't tread on toes. I loved the place and I'll be interested to see how you find it after a few days.  If you get the opportunity, visit the museum in the centre, I spent hours there reading the progress of the country.

I/O,

I know what you mean about the Russian/Latvian thing.... seems neither side wants to acknowledge the other as having rights and obligations.

Re: the Museum... Did you mean the War Museum right near Blackheads House?  I was there today... Particularly touching because of my stepfather and what he lived through before immigrating.

Anyway... I was just getting out of the cold.  More stuff to do now that my face isn't numb anymore!

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« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2007, 07:06:32 AM »
You're a smooth one, Kuna!  Keep up the good effort and keep the stories and photos coming!
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« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2007, 07:16:27 AM »
Kuna,

Superb writing skills.

You are a traveler, not a tourist.   I think many men limit themselves to just meeting women and they miss an excellent opportunity for travel adventure.  A traveler experiences everything he sees, while a tourist sees only what he came to see.

This Elfa is certainly very appealing, intellectually as well as physically.  The women you meet serendipitously will differ from those listed with an agency in a key way - they are not as motivated for a relationship with a foreigner.   Accordingly, the relationships will not develop as fast because they know you are leaving soon.  Yet, they are intrigued when meeting someone different, especially someone interesting which you are, and not some randy pommy.

Thanks for he photo. A photo of Riga would also be appreciated.  Photos do not have to be all women.

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« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2007, 07:29:35 AM »
Great stuff, Kuna.

Don't worry about writing too long, the details are what makes your report interesting. If any members have short attention spans they can go pop some Ritalin.

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« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2007, 07:50:23 AM »
This is the site of the man I had dinner with in Riga.
It may whet your appetite for a visit to Riga.
He has taken hundreds of photos.
Latvia is home to the first Christmas tree.
Don't let a few negative comments change your mind, this is an extremely beautiful country. Almost looked like a train garden from the top floor of my hotel. The buildings are colorful and small. You will not see domed churches as in FSU. Beautiful art noveau architecture.

http://www.rigalatvia.net/
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« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2007, 08:09:13 AM »
Great update, Kuna!  I especially like your "inner thoughts."  ;D  LOL

Great work with Elfa....and maybe the hotel receptionist :-)    It makes your travels even more interesting... bonus girls :-)
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« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2007, 08:38:33 AM »
Thoroughly enjoying your posts Kuna! Keep up the good work, both here and out there in the real world.

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« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2007, 09:17:01 AM »
Nice trip report.

I read a small portion but I am supposed to be working.   ;D

Will read the entire report this evening.

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« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2007, 09:20:49 AM »
Wow, that was a fun read! Right up there with Groov's.

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« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2007, 11:54:24 AM »
 Hey Kuna,

 I felt like I was in that bar with you, great details and don't worry about the length, it's a good read and interesting, keep the updates coming.

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Re: Riga Trip Report
« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2007, 12:39:02 PM »
Re: the Museum... Did you mean the War Museum right near Blackheads House?  I was there today... Particularly touching because of my stepfather and what he lived through before immigrating.

Kuna:  Yes I think that is correct.  I'm a sod not to remerber street locations by name.  I could drive in there now and take you directly there, but ask me to describe the location and I can't.  The decription you give makes me think you have the same place. 

It was remarked to me once that Riga is Eastern Europe's Paris.  Perhaps not for wide of the mark.  Try to get yourself up to the beach area north of the city.  It's about 20 minutes by mini bus and only costs about 2 "Lats".  Cold as, but is worth a walk and look. Doubt you'll spot too many white pointers at this time of year but...............

Keep it happening.  Gator got it right, you are travelling, not touring.

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Re: Riga Trip Report
« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2007, 03:13:37 PM »
Thanks for the positive comments guys.

I’ll reply to some of the comments first and then give you a Trip Update.

Clyde… Agreed.  Riga has an odd feel to it.  The people on the street aren’t very receptive but if you can get a few words exchanged I’ve found that they relax pretty quickly and you can get some rapport going.

It seems to come partly from resentment of Soviet control (which has been described to me several times), distain for English and German sex tourists (Which I think has really left a stain on the city) and a feeling that Riga is “busy busy busy” and therefore people are rushing to go somewhere (and that may just be out of the cold).

I haven’t been to Lido but have found a couple of nice and affordable restaurants thus far.  I wish I had more time here but I’ve got “things to see and people to do”… or is that “things to do and people to see”?  ;)

So.. the update.

Today I wanted to get in as much sight seeing as possible but priority one and two (in no particular order) was posting my TR for RWD and sending off an email to Elfa.

Once that I was done I set off to have a good look around Old Riga and I was as impressed as I expected to be.  I agree with I/O in saying the War Museum was a great way to spend some time.  To be very honest I struggled a little bit when I read about the “Citizen Camps” where many Latvians were interned, sometimes for no crime at all.  My stepfather was in one of these camps and saw his mother die and his fiancé (who he became engaged to in an attempt to disguise her Jewish religion) raped and murdered in the camp.

The tug of war between the Nazi’s and the Russian left Latvians in a perpetual state of pain and suffering.  I’m not surprised there’s so much distrust of the Russians (Though unlike my stepfather they don’t mention the Nazi’s much).

I think my only disappointment was that there were other tourists because when I travel I like to imagine I’m totally submerged in the local experience, not mixing with other camera touting “fly by nighters”.

Often when I’ve traveled in the past I’ve heard disparaging comments about Americans but I’m sad to say the English have the bad reputation here. I think the people see Americans favourably because of their President but as mentioned previously, the sex tourism business has definitely left an impression on the locals.

As I walk through the streets I can see that people have no interest in interaction.  They’re moving in total isolation and happy to look unhappy.

Almost everyone I’ve spoken to speaks English, except for the Scottish guy in the snazzy white coat.  I’m still not sure what he wanted but I think he was lost.  I just pretended to be a local, didn’t change my facial expression and waved my hand down the street in a random direction.  I hope he wasn’t looking for a toilet or the poor bugger might have burst before he found one!  ;)

If the above sounds uninspiring it shouldn’t.  Old Riga is beautiful with quaint little winding streets and beautiful architecture.  I think it’s quite expensive here compared to Hamburg but it’s possible to maintain your budget if you keep your eyes open. 

The girls you see on the street are “interesting”.  At home I think I would see 10% of girls as being 8’s or above (on my scale).  Here it would only be 30% I’d say, but those that are attractive are stunning.  There are some very attractive girls here too though.  I don’t want to sound awful but it’s kinda like comparing women in the Philippines who have an Hill Tribe heritage (Negritos) compared with a Filipina with Spanish blood.

I wanted to head back to the hotel to see if Erica (the Receptionist) had left a message so I set off in sub-zero temperatures, hands stuffed in pockets and feet moving at about twice the speed they normally would at this time of year in Brisbane.

These people walk fast, very fast!  I’ve noticed the girls tend to walk faster than the men but that might be because their long thin legs and svelte bodies catch my attention more than some dude dressed in all black.

As I walk through the doors of the hotel I’m happy to see Erica is there.  She looks worried and tells me she’s contacted the Ship Yards but the girl she spoke to needs to speak to the boss so we may not be able to go there this afternoon.

I said it was OK and I appreciated her help… and suggested we go for a coffee.

She agrees and covers up that damn fine body with her coat and we head off back to where I had come…  the freezing cold that is.

I take her to a café that I was in earlier that morning and we spend the time talking about Latvia, Australia and the inevitable topic of sex tourism.

She has an unfortunately realistic view of the situation as she sees almost everything as men come and go in the hotel. 

Erica is 21 years old and proudly Russian.  Being born in Latvia doesn’t mean she’ll ever feel Latvian. I think that’s a shame.  I know in Australia our ability to integrate different cultures from around the world has added much to the fabric of our society.  I can’t help but think that the fabric that Latvia is made of is still fragile.

It was pleasant but Erica isn’t someone I would pursue anything with.  If she was in Australian I might try to date her for a while because she seems fun (and sexy) but I fear we’d have little in common other than our appreciation of being out of the cold.

By the way… it was cold in Riga today… very cold.  I think tonight it is -11 Celsius but it feels much colder than that.  The coldest temperature I’ve ever experienced was in Canada about 10 years ago when the temperature hit -26.  Today felt that cold… but then again on that day in Canada I had a skin full of booze and today I was drinking black tea with lemon.

So,  tea break over we set off in different directions and I go back to the hotel to check my email.  Elfa has replied to my message and said she was very tired but would like to catch up for dinner tonight.

We met at a new modern shopping centre close to my hotel and greet each other with a kiss on the cheek.  She seems happy to see me and I’m “quite” happy to see her too.  :)

I notice that she’s freshly applied her makeup and perfume and looks more attractive than last night, not that I thought she was a “pork chop” last night or anything!

I take her up to a nice little restaurant I saw during my sight seeing today and we go inside and take a table near the windows.

The conversation is a little strained in the beginning though it has little to do with a language barrier.  Her English is quite good but her accent is strong, but as we settled in and warmed up so did the conversation.

She apologized for last night and explained that she woke up feeling very “tired” this morning but I realized she meant she was a little hung over.  I asked about her mother and she said her mother was upset with her for being so late because it was mid week and her mother doesn’t think she should be out during the week.

We talk about family, work, Latvia and Australia.  This time it was more about people and feelings, wants and desires.  She’s a really nice girl but is verging on the point of becoming western in her distrust of men and her desire for a career (sans men).

She says career is important and has no time for relationships but then she says thing like she wants to be married with children by the time she is 28 (only 4 years away)???

Perhaps their powerful female President has motivated the women of Latvia to “greater” things?

OK… so dinner.  We went to a small restaurant named Red Fred that has a fire station theme, not so much in décor, but the wait staff are all wearing red T-Shirts and pants with braces and stripes down the side that you’d expect to see a fireman wearing.

Our waitress is very nice and very friendly and enthusiastically agrees with my menu choices.  As I normally do with wait staff, shop girls and anyone else I am attracted to, I ask her name and introduce myself, and of course “my friend Elfa”. 

We drink tea with dinner instead of alcohol which is a refreshing change from how dinner would normally go at home. 

Elfa gets up to go to the bathroom and within half a second Katrina (Our waitress) is at our table offering more tea and asking if Elfa was my girlfriend.  I tell her no, we’re just friends, and I’m only in Latvia for a few more days so unfortunately I don’t have time for a girlfriend.

Elfa returns,  Katrina retreats, and we finish off our dinner.

I walked Elfa to the tram stop again (thankfully not the one of the other side of the old town) and share a delicious, but slightly reserved kiss as the tram came to a stop.

I have rules about kissing early in dating and that is I ALWAYS finish the kiss before the girl does.  No point being a “bloke” and being more forceful than a girl appreciates!

Elfa is a little strange. I think the modernization of Riga has opened opportunities for her but she can’t quite touch them yet.  I know she’s living on a very modest income but she has goals.  While she has goals she still claims to want a traditional family, unlike many of the goal driven girls I’ve met at home.

We plan to meet again before I go and I think at this stage I’ll stay in touch with her.  Twenty four is younger than I would like but I think that’s based on experiences I have with “sub25” girls at home.

Anyway, I turn back towards my hotel and walk one block before I need to make a decision.  Turn left and go to my hotel or continue one more block and go back to the restaurant for another cup of tea.

Tea and Katrina won so as I walk through the door she smiles broadly and escorts me back to my table.

I order my tea and as the restaurant is quiet she spends the whole time at my table asking about my trip, Australia and not surprisingly Elfa.

At the bar last night the barman told me he works at a place called the Pupu Lounge tonight and suggested I go there.  Apparently it translates as Tits Lounge but he assured me it isn’t a nudie bar.

I ask Katrina about Riga, the nightlife, her recommendations on things I should see and Pupu Lounge (adding that the barman that recommended it said it wasn’t a strip club).  She says she hasn’t been there, “but it’s a…” [and screws up face and doesn’t finish the sentence].

Anyway, to cut a long story short she finishes work at 12:30 and we’re catching up to go out and have a few drinks.  She’s nice, but for me it’s more about getting out of the hotel room and not wasting my time in Riga.

I could have stayed there and drank tea until it came out of my ears but instead I decided to come back to the hotel and post this to fulfill upon my duty to “the community” ;).

So… my day in Riga has been really interesting.

I conclude so far that it’s very possible to meet and date girls once you’re on the ground but to be realistic you’d need a significant amount of time in one place to develop any real connection with a girl.

If you remember the three types of girls Elfa outlined when we met I’d say Elfa is definitely a Type 3 (ignores foreigners) and Erica and Katrina may be Type 1 girls. 

It’s not surprising because both are younger than Elfa and I think all young girls have an instinct that makes them want to explore because they don’t recognise the risk of hurt feelings as much as someone who’s gone through the exploration phase already.

My intention for this trip isn’t “casual sex” and therefore tonight I’ll look forward to seeing a little more of Riga and hopefully not staying out too late.

“Onwards and Upwards” as they say!
 
Kuna

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Re: Riga Trip Report
« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2007, 03:31:49 PM »

My intention for this trip isn’t “casual sex” and therefore tonight I’ll look forward to seeing a little more of Riga and hopefully not staying out too late.

“Onwards and Upwards” as they say!
 
Kuna


Unattached in Riga? Go have a good time and enjoy!.. after all who knows what will happen tomorrow.

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Re: Riga Trip Report
« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2007, 04:32:26 PM »
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The people on the street aren’t very receptive but if you can get a few words exchanged I’ve found that they relax pretty quickly


FSU people are rude to strangers, yet are not xenophobic, just mistrustful.

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They’re moving in total isolation and happy to look unhappy.

These are probably jovial compared to the people you will see riding the metro.

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By the way… it was cold in Riga today… very cold.  I think tonight it is -11 Celsius but it feels much colder than that.


Muscovites complain that St. Petersburg is a cold city, yet Moscow has a lower temperature in the winter.  Something about the humidity and wind near the Baltic.

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Elfa...verging on the point of becoming western in her distrust of men and her desire for a career (sans men).

I think many competent women feel the same.  Marriage in the FSU is even more problematic than in the "Western" world.  Infidelity is a problem too (not with all FSU men).  The intelligent women understand this and realize that the fairy tale of living happily ever after is not guaranteed.  Yet, she has an Eastern woman soul and still hopes to form a family.  Until then she knows she better provide for her own suppport and otherwise create a state of independence so that she will not be compelled to take any man who comes along.  The growing economy is enabling some FSU women to be as independent as AW.   Elfa sounds like a slightly older version of DKMM's woman.  She will take her time.

Casual sex and safe sex with someone you like are not the same, IMO.  But we are all different.  And this is YOUR journey of self-discovery, not mine or anyone else's..



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Re: Riga Trip Report
« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2007, 04:48:25 PM »
Kuna: Your comments about the "Occupation" of Latvia ring bells and had much the same effect on me.  But acccording to my "Local Friend" at the time I was there, it goes back further than USSR and Nazi Germany days.  I understand the country has basically been under occupation for almost 100 years, first by the Sweeds then the Poles and then Germany and so forth.  My impressions of the "Latvian" Latvians is that this has made them a little more standoffish than some other FSU people.  The "Russian" Latvians seem a little more open initially. 

I am not surprised with the curiosity for Australia amoung the Lats, as I struck the same thing and found it to be generally quite a deep and well informed curiosity.  Way way more informed than K, K and N type questions. Stern faces, but educated, articulate and altogether good company after breaking the ice.  Will be most interested to see your final thoughts on Riga.

The Baltic cold is just "Something else". ::) ::)

Keep up the good work of cummunity engagement. (Yeah couple of edges to that)

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Re: Riga Trip Report
« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2007, 03:21:44 AM »
Well so far this winter is quite mild.
I was in Kiev around this time last year it was around -20 and with the wind-chill something like -30 brrrr.
Still Kiev can be a romantic place in winter and I still get nostalgic memories from the couple of my winter visits to this city.
Just be careful when walking on the pavements as they are icy and slippery like and ice rink.
If you are in Kiev for a few days try going to the Opera house.

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Re: Riga Trip Report
« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2007, 02:35:16 PM »
Just be careful when walking on the pavements as they are icy and slippery like and ice rink.
If you are in Kiev for a few days try going to the Opera house.

Mir,

Ice...  We haven't had any snow in Riga but any puddle on the road has turned to ice.  In Old Riga there are beautiful cobblestone lanes and the photo below shows one of the traps for those of us from sub-tropical climates. 

I'm in Kyiv for a little over 2 weeks (other than a weekend when I'll travel to Cherkassy).  The Opera House is definitely on the agenda!   ;D

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« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2007, 02:36:53 PM »
Casual sex and safe sex with someone you like are not the same, IMO. 

Agreed... but no comment!   ;)

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Re: Riga Trip Report
« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2007, 03:37:52 PM »
Day 3

I don't think I should do my "Riga Roundup" yet but I thought I'd include todays activities in my trip report even though there wasn't a lot of "girl action".

I ended up having a pretty late night with Katrina last night and had a good time.  This morning I had a bit of a sleep in (which was a luxury I haven't yet had on my holiday) and after breakfast I set out into the bitter cold again to finish off my sightseeing.

Riga is both good and bad... I can't help but think it would have been a better location to visit before so many tourists found it but then again I'm a bit of a fan of independent travel. (i.e. I genuinely enjoy the difficulties associated with travelling to strange places and struggling with strange languages).

I think if someone is looking for an easier travel location and has an interest in FSUW Riga would be an excellent option. Very few people speak no English at all and most have a very good grasp. A wide variety of restaurants and bars are available, and if you're prudent you don't have to murder your budget.

Example?  Tonight I went back to Red Fred and had grilled Pork Tenderloin, Potato with sour cream (though it was more like "sour" cream cheese), some salad (I could only describe it as pickled Julienne Carrots, some baby corn and lettuce leaves), a cup of tea, a pint of local beer and a mineral water and the bill came to about 10 Lats (AUS$16 or approx US$12).

Red Fred is a really nice little restaurant and I can thoroughly recommend it when anyone comes to town. Funky music, lots of locals (not just tourists) and a good place to do some people watching if you get a table by the window.  (Actually, there's definitely some people worth watching inside whether they're at a table with their boyfriend or like tonight, at a table of 4 girls that would make most Western 10's look cheap and classless).

After my trip I'm going to post some "City Guide" type reports so I'll give more details on the address etc later.

If you're coming to Riga though don't expect the women to fall over themselves to get to your wallet.  I can't help but think this is a nation on the repair and while they still live modest lives we should be honest in saying that most people in our own countries are living modest lives too.

There's definitely a suspicion over foreigners but I think if you come here with genuine intentions and prove you're not a sex tourist you'll have a good time.

Don't count on the bars being heavily populated during the week... especially in winter.  Apparently things only liven up on the weekends.  If you're here during the summer expect to see throngs of drunken poms on bucks parties but if you're here at those times I'd be sticking to one of the several restaurants and bars that have "No Bachelor Party" signs on the doors.

The architecture and parks are well worth seeing, as are the museums.  I also went back to the War Museum today because I felt like I wanted/needed to absorb more than what sunk in yesterday.

I also finished off my meandering through old Riga and stumbled upon an Ice Rink in one of the city squares.  There was an older lady there that was having a glorious time and I couldn't resist standing in the cold watching someone have so much fun.  Towards the end I noticed a reporter and camera man interviewing her but I don't know who she is/was, but it was great to watch someone enjoying themselves so much.

There was a little kiosk near the rink that sold wurst and warm red wine with cinnamon on top (I'm sure someone will be able to tell me what it's called).  It was delicious so I had two cups.  ;D   

I spoke with Elfa...  we're meeting for coffee in the morning before I go out to the airport.  Tonight I saw Katrina back at the restaurant but I spent more time talking to the supervisor this time (Julia).  She's a lovely girl who again had lots of questions. 

I/O, you're right about Latvians being well informed about Australia, though Julia's impressions of Australia centred on Sydney and things she's seen on the discovery channel.

Julia had a "friend" from Australia and said that she learnt much about it when they were corresponding but sadly she was writing to some turkey from Sydney who told her Sydney was the best place in Australia.  Sheeesh... get real!   ;D

I/O... you'll back me up on what Sydneysiders are like huh?

Anyway, in a way I wish I spent more time talking to Julia last night but I got her email address and may shoot off a couple of messages when I get home.

I fully intend visiting Riga again but I've got my trip in Ukraine coming up next so who knows what will happen.

I feel like the past few days has morphed from my original WMVF (F = few) in Ukraine to a trip that is a little more like Avi8tors where I've come to town, met some girls and now will return home to see how things mature.

I'm still confident the 3 girls I'm meeting in Ukraine are quality people,  so my days in Riga may end up being a few fun days of dating, etc at the real potential will be found in Ukraine.

Elfa is definitely a great girl but the issue I have is that I FEEL like I know my three friends in Ukraine much better than I could know Elfa after several hours spread over 2 dates.  In reality I know that we understand a person more in after one date than writing and telephone conversations can ever tell you about someone you've never met.

Hmmm.. dunno... I'll continue my trip and stick to my plan of "One Step at a Time" and not making any hasty decisions.

Anyway... it's late and I'm tired but I wanted to give everyone an update.

I fly to Kyiv tomorrow afternoon so I probably won't post my TR until Saturday.

Tomorrow night I'm meeting "the Newsreader" and then on Saturday my friend from Dnepropetrovsk arrives.  We'll be spending four days together in Kyiv so I'm not sure how regular the posts will be.

I'll try... but the girls come first!   ;)

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Re: Riga Trip Report
« Reply #24 on: January 25, 2007, 04:06:04 PM »
Ukrainians are fond of making beverages with fruits and berries mixed and incorporated in horlika.
They are not high in alcohol and are drunk warm (poured from a large pot on the slow burner).
These include various kvas,nalyvka,varenukha,zapikanka etc.

Can I ask where you are staying in Kiev?
If in central Kiev then the main post office (on Independence Square) has a good internet cafe. Used to be around 12 Hr (US $ 2.40) per hour.

 

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