Experienced newbie or Newbie Experienced

[Hub]

Hub,
In your opinion some women were too young for you others thought only of your money.Olga.

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Olga, actually they were the same group.  All (except one) too young and I could see the dollar signs in their eyes.

[Hub]

And can you tell us which nationality you liked most? I am sure you will be the only one who has lived with girls from all the FSU countries over a very short span of time. Or is it that they were also 'arranged' by others and you can't remember where they came from?

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Mir, why your insistence on changing my words??  I never came close to being in ALL the FSU countries.

But with respect to those countries I did visit, I can say I found very little difference between the different nationalities.  The Russian and Ukrainian women were perhaps a tad more cuddly than those in the Baltics.  However, many of the women stated they were mixtures of various FSU ethnic groups if you go back to grandparents, etc., so there may be few pure breds there.

Ukrainian women seemed a bit more willing to take on domestic tasks, even where their education and job status was just as high as the Russian women.

[Hub]

Hub

So why do you want to settle with an FSU woman? Afterall from your experience they all want just one thing,money....I would keep away from them if this is true.

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Mir, you are putting words into my mouth.  With reference to the women I was with . . . . . they were too young for me and they were attracted to me because they smelled money.

I never used the word all with respect to the women in these countries.

[Hub]

Hub,

Something I didn't get sorted out.  12 live in g/fs in 24 months; are you bragging or complaining?   

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Actually I am doing neither.  I thought the way to do an intro was to lay out my experience so that others could build on that when they give me suggestions.  For instance, I could have left out the part about the 12 women entirely.  Then, I would be getting a lot of advice about what it is like to live with EE women, etc.  It seemed to me that would be a waste everyones time and space here.

But I am thinking that I have made a big mistake.  There seems to be such furor about this that perhaps I should make everyone feel better and state that all of my relationships were strictly platonic.

[Mir]

What I got from Hub's initial post is that he has spent 12 of the last 24 months in FSU countries,has had 12 live in girlfriends in 12 different cities. So each relation was one month and not two months. Or maybe each relationship was on average one month so some stayed for 3 months while others lasted 3 days.

Anyway Hub I am not trying to put words into your mouth and I agree you never said that all women in FSU are after your money (only the ones you met).
Still I would like to know why you feel that an FSU woman will be a good wife for you?

[viking]

Hub

Back to your orginal purpose. It seems you have met some nice ladies, but most were dollar sign oriented. Most were met through peers, business associates and so forth. Don't these people know some more mature women, perhaps higher caliper, for you to meet? If you constantly have some young hottie in your bed, you may not realize that others are trying to catch your attention. From the nature of your work, I should think that you run across these other women as well? It appears that you are in a unique postion, being very socially active on their home turf, that meeting someone who will be more accepatable to you in the long haul should not be that hard. Meeting someone who is recommended by a friend is a whole lot easier than going to agencies in every city you visit, but that is always an option. And one you may want to consider.

[Mir]

Hub

If you understand the philosophy that forms the basis of the term Platonic then I suggest you do not announce that your relationships were purely Platonic.

[Hub]

That may be your 'problem'.  If you date within that concept- that women will perceive your financial situation and that will the determining factor for them, it could become a self-fullfilling prophesy. 

I was not DATING at all.

You say you will decide who your partner will be, and her decision
will sort of be secondary. That attitude could be a problem for
finding a long-term relationship.

I didn't say that at all.  Someone commented that if he young woman felt the age difference was OK, then it should be OK for me.  I decided it was not OK.

My dating advise is this:
The moment you realize the woman you are seeing is wrong for you,
move on. If she seems interested in you because of your money,
move on.

I repeat, I was not seeking dates.

You need to sharpen your ability to perceive her view of you, to the point where you can determine whether or not she is attracted to your character or just your money.

I thought I made it plain that I did very clearly perceive.

It's that simple.  If you are spending a month with a woman
you know is not appropriate for you, you are wasting your time
and hers. 

I wasn't wasting anyones time.  I was in the city for a month ;  with or without a particular woman or any woman.  I told the women there was no future.  They chose to continue.

Yes, get over the beauty thing. If she's too young for you, don't date her at all, don't bring her home for 'dinner'.

You need to reread how I met these women.  I think I am wasting my time replying to you, so I will stop.

[BillyB]

The old American adage was "a way to a man's heart is through his stomach." And there is another way to get attention but I dont discuss it on G rated boards .

This 45 YO woman understands what you're talking about but somehow I sense she's not exactly what we should be looking for.
http://freepersonals.ru/showProfile.da?id=232056&photo=1

[William3rd]

Housekeeper and cook, then?!?!?!?!?
Temporary assignment?!?!??!?

This dog don't hunt, compadre. . . .

[viking]

I wasn't wasting anyones time.  I was in the city for a month ;  with or without a particular woman or any woman.  I told the women there was no future.  They chose to continue

Hub, this may be true, but when you are with these women, you ARE wasting YOUR time (assuming you are giving them your attention) by not looking for something better for you. You realized there was no future, so why not just say no thank you, and move on? They choose to continue, but so did you. You and I are similiar in age. When I made a trip, it was my choice not to even look at someone who would not be compatible in age, among other things. I did not have the luxury of staying in any one place for a long time, so I needed to be focused.

[jb]

But I am thinking that I have made a big mistake.  There seems to be such furor about this that perhaps I should make everyone feel better and state that all of my relationships were strictly platonic.

No furor from me... I stand in admiration of your experience.  12 women indeed...

I lived for a time as an ex-pat in Russia, but my experience was totally different.

[Hub]

OK, I am now convinced I got off to the wrong foot here.  Many of the respondents are seeming to want to attack me.  Where no viable means of attack are available, they refuse to carefully read the facts I laid out in my original post and my replies.

I see the option of locking this down, so I think I will try it.

I will however, make some clarifications that I did not state in my original post.

For the past two years when I lived for 12 months in EE, I was not interested in finding a wife.  I wasn't even actively looking for dates as I stated.  I have only been divorced for these two years and had a lot of things to clean up re my financial portfolio, joint properties still owned with my ex-wife to manage, properties to sell, distributions to make to children, set up college trust funds for grandchildren, etc.

It is only now that I am ready to start looking for a wife.

Also, I am not going to be making any more business trips.  From now on, everything will be on my dime.  I won't be staying in luxury apts and the women I meet will not see me in $3,000 suits and $1,000 shoes; nor will they see me as an important business man.

Hopefully I can find and attract an age appropriate woman who does not smell the money.

Oh, to answer a couple of respondents; I  did very much like the EE women.  I found them quite warm, charming and interesting.  No AW could give me a chess challenge like most of these women could.

I am going to look for a wife in in EE because I found that there seems to be quite an imbalance between the quality women there and what they consider to be quality men.  I am not falling for the idea there is a huge imbalance in the actual numbers, but the quality of the women seems to be higher than the quality of the men.  So that makes for a much bigger potential pool for me than compared to here in the USA.

Sorry that I offended so many and, in the future, I shall try to minimize my experiences.