Kuna's Ukraine Trip Report

[Kuna]

Damn it...wrote a long post and lost it.  Will redo later!

[TexasBoar]

Damn it...wrote a long post and lost it.  Will redo later!

Ya big tease you! 

Great TR.  Loving it.

~Boar

[Nat]

wrote a long post and lost it.  Will redo later!

Kuna, please, don't give up! Write further, it's so interesting to read!
And, like it was said above, your style is super

[Kuna]

OK,  so where did I get up to???

Oh, first, a couple of responses to questions/statements earlier...

Regarding Ms C and the moustached man...   I've thought about the dinner a lot and really have no idea what was going on.  Maybe he was a stranger from her building at work?  Maybe an ex?  Maybe a friend standing guard?

During our dinner there was lots of handholding, laughing and generally very good behaviour.  She was definitely distracted by him at times but then at other times it was like I was the only person in the room.

I've tried to raise it in a sensitive manner but she either avoids it by passing it off as "Don't understand" or, ummm... avoids it.

Re: prices and the guide...  Yeah, I know I'm paying too much and I should be gutted because it's represented as a service to save you money.  I'm not going to get all bitter and twisted about it though because he's provided value, and I've learned enough to not need a guide next time.  I'll be here many more times and I don't think he'll ever see me again... unless I have a desperate need only he can satisfy!

[Kuna]

Finishing off Dinner

Ok, so we're about to leave the restaurant and she gets another phone call and then comes running over to me trembling and crying. 

"The Militia are waiting outside for us because they saw you had brown shoes on.  Kuna, quickly, you must take off your shoes."

OK, that's our lighthearted entertainment for the day...  maybe I should get back tot he trip report!!!

We've left the restaurant without incident.  I've asked Ms C a couple of times who the moustached man was but she either passes it off as "don't understand", or passes it off.

Our taxi arrives and we share the cab back to my hotel and as it pulls up we say some simple farewells and I lean over to give her a kiss on the cheek.  She pulls away and I give the first air-kiss I've given since I was 12 years old and in primary school... and even then I wasn't in the company of a girl, I was just practicing!

I frown at her, get out of the cab and walk up to the hotel doors thinking "what the hell was that?"

That night I did a lot of thinking... a LOT of thinking.  I wasn't satisfied with how the first dinner went because it raised way to many questions without giving any answers.  I was seriously considering pulling the pin and heading down to Dnepropetrovsk the next day.

Finally I got some sleep and must have made some reasonable decisions in my sleep because i woke up and decided that there was too much happening to make a fast decision so I'd ride out the next few days and see what happens.

Day 2 in Cherkassy

I should comment here... for me, and I'm not saying it was bad, but for me, the breakfast in the hotel was unusual.

I've frequently had a giggle to myself at breakfast buffets in hotels when I see Asians pile their plate with scrambled egg, sausage, cheese, fruit and a heavy springling of breakfast cereal over the top just because they aren't aware of the order that we'd normally eat breakfast in.

For the first time in my life I felt like one of those Asians, but I did resist putting any pickled carrot in my cornflakes!   

Ms C was coming to meet me at the hotel and we were going to the Cherkassy Museum of History and down to the river today.

As she arrived I stood from the couch and walked forward with one objective in mind... NO MORE AIR-KISSES!  I felt like such a dating loser that I don't think I'll ever "go for the cheek" again.  I figure if I'm going to strike out it may as well be while trying for babies or something!

As we were approaching each other her speed quickened and she planted a big soft, enthusiastic kiss on my cheek and gave me a very nice warm hug.  I stiffened, pulled back and looked at her to make sure she was the right girl.  Yep,  that's her alright!

I was confused but I'll just notch it up as another anomaly for this trip.  Anyone that says RW/UW and AM are the same has rocks in his or her head.  Without a doubt they are more complex, or maybe our girls at home are just a little simple?   ???

So off we go into the cold (which wasn't too cold) and we finally arrive at the Museum after walking through a park and down some nice streets.

The feeling was good, totally different to last night, and we spent a very, utterly and totally fabulous day at the museum.

I'll say that the Museum at Cherkassy, for a small city of it's size, was fascinating.

The number of exhibits they have from the iron age, and the quality of some of the findings from the original settlements in Cherkassy and around Ukraine was well worth seeing.

We thought it would take a few hours to make our way through but we ended up missing the walk to the river because we spent a full 5 hours at the museum.

I think both of us had a fantastic day because she obviously liked showing me a little about Ukraine, and especially the region where she lives and I was (at times) enthralled with what I was seeing.


After we left the museum we went back to my hotel and I arranged a taxi to take her home allowing her time to freshen up, and me time to post a confusing (and now lost) trip report before we went out for dinner.

Big tip if you're coming to Cherkassy.  Make reservations for dinner on the weekends!

Tonight we were to go out to a Georgian restaurant and after a 15 minute cab ride to the northern outskirts of town (literally within the forest) we found that they were fully booked.

Four restaurants later we decided to go back to the hotel nd eat there but on arrival we discovered that the restaurant was empty, but the private dining room was the venue for a dinner (that sounded like a party) for the Ukrainian Minister for Natural Resources.

Obviously the Minister was going to get priority on this night so the only 2 staff in the restaurant spent the whole evening running past us with more food, wine, vodka and coffee and on each pass they would apologise emphatically and indicate they'd be back at sometime in the near future.

I watched and judged Ms C's reaction and she didn't seem the least bit surprised so I just kinda went with the flow up until the point where I thought I would die of thirst so I got up, went behind the bar, asked her if she wanted a drink and grabbed a bottle of water for our table.

She could barely control the pannicked look on her face but i figured after 1 hour of waiting and not even being asked for drink orders if they were to get upset about me helping myself to a bottle of water, which I would have paid for anyway, well, life just wouldn't be fair!

Eventually the Minister and his party left amongst much backslapping and fake laughter and we got served.

Dinner was lovely, I really enjoyed it.  We ate, and drank, and talked and laughed.  It was a very cool time.

Afterwards I walked her out and found her a taxi.  I know there's a bit of debate about taxi's versus buses when you're in a girls hometown but for me, late at night, in the depth of winter, I'd never forgive myself if I didn't give her the 10H instead of expecting her to make her own way home!

Today I've got a little free time because she's at church (I thought about inviting myself but remembered someones comments about kneeling for 3 hours in very uncomfortable positions and decided to have a sleep in instead.

At around 1pm she'll arrive and we'll take a walk down to the river.  It's beautiful outside at the moment because it's lightly snowing crisp white flakes at the moment and there is barely any moisture underfoot.  Of course, there was moisture there yesterday when we were walking so that means there will be ice and ample opportunity for me to go butt-up if I'm not careful.

So, that's my few days in Cherkassy so far.

I'm getting many SMS and email from Ms D, and Ms D#2 still wants to know if I can make it down there to see her.

I'm not sure what my decisions are yet but I know I'm having a great time and I'm glad I got to spend a few days outside of Kiev.  they're definitely two different countries because I've noticed the concept of a tip hasn't really caught on here.  it's not as if they're rejecting my tip, they just look at me as if I have Alzheimer's and forgot my change and hurry to catch up and give it to me before we leave the cafe or restaurant.

Tonight I'll be meeting Ms C's Mother which should be an interesting experience... and I hope to post more for you fine people soon.

Cheers!

Kuna

[ScottinCrimea]

     One purpose of a guide is to help you to negotiate better prices.  That's his job, not yours.  You're not getting full value from him.
     I wouldn't worry too much about the air kiss.  Many women here have been told they must be ver conservative on the first date or they will appear easy and the man will lose interest in them as a wife.  They usually open up a heck of a lot on the second date, though.  I think there are still a lot of unanswered questons with the "other man".
     I see you've learned about tipping in Ukraine.  It's very simple---don't do it.  It's not expected, it won't get you better service, and the end result is that they will think you can't count change.
     Did you ever find out what church she belongs to?  It might give you a few more clues to go on.
     Keep up the great TR.

[Kuna]

Scott,

The church is Ukrainian Orthodox but it's very obvious that her involvement in her religion is very different from Ms D's involvement in the church (she also attends the Ukrainian Orthodox church).

Ms D told me she "Believes 80% of what the church says but still believes and likes to go.  Her friends go to church and it is good."

I don't in anyway want to sound like Ms C is not a great girl... she is, but from my early impressions we wouldn't be a good match. My life is much more "liberal" than I think she'd be comfortable with.  Hers is more conservative, and whilst that wouldn't be a bad thing, I can't help but wonder if I'd become bored with all the "clean living"???

She'll be here soon and we need to talk.  One wy or another I feel like I need to go to Dnepropetrovsk.   

There's a twist that people will have to read closely to pick up huh!

Kuna

[KenC]

Kuna,
Ahh, the first kiss mambo!  How it brings back memories!  After our first dinner together in Russia, Lena and I faced the same crossroad.  Mind you, we had a rip roaring first meeting, dinner and drinks with instant chemistry.  To say we hit the ground running would be accurate.  The situation was this: Lena and I shared a cab back to my flat and she was to continue on home after dropping me off.  She gets out of the cab with me to say our goodbyes.  The big guy leans in to go for the kill.......and she stops me by holding up her hand and says, "wait a minute!"  An instant WTF? comes to mind but she then proceeds to say "let me help you with the lock on the door."  We walk to the outer door of the flat, fumble around with the keys and she comes inside the outer door.  That is where and when I got my first taste of sugar from Lena.  A warm, caring kiss with a very nice embrace to top it off.  Of course she then immediately scampered back to the cab with a "we will talk more tomorrow."

Lena has since explained her actions to me.  "Good girls" simply are not seen kissing their dates on the street for everyone to see.  Even cab drivers.  Even though it was a kind of role reversal (her dropping me off and walking me to my door), it was still a perfect ending to a perfect first night in Russia for me.
KenC

[Mir]

I think it is quite obvious.
Any young girl from Russia or Ukraine seen kissing a foreigner will quickly get a reputation that she would not like.

[I/O]

We walk to the outer door of the flat, fumble around with the keys and she comes inside the outer door.  That is where and when I got my first taste of sugar from Lena.  A warm, caring kiss with a very nice embrace to top it off.  Of course she then immediately scampered back to the cab with a "we will talk more tomorrow."

Lena has since explained her actions to me.  "Good girls" simply are not seen kissing their dates on the street for everyone to see.  Even cab drivers. 

Yep....!!!  Thats about the standard drill...!!! Hasn't changed in the last few years Ken.

I/O

[Gator]

Kuna,

Ms. D is not only in your head, she seems to be in your heart.  Your time with Ms. C seems to reinforce that sentiment.     

Ms. C and the man in the restaurant.  Something is there and she does not know how to explain it.  Being a good church girl, she will not lie to you, although some consider being evasive as less than honest.  Time to speculate - perhaps a brother of a past boyfriend (10% probability).  We all have a past.  Personally, I like women who hold nothing back, and can tell it to me straight.  Few are like that, however. 

[Kuna]

Kuna,
Ahh, the first kiss mambo!  How it brings back memories!  After our first dinner together in Russia, Lena and I faced the same crossroad.  Mind you, we had a rip roaring first meeting, dinner and drinks with instant chemistry.  To say we hit the ground running would be accurate.  The situation was this: Lena and I shared a cab back to my flat and she was to continue on home after dropping me off.  She gets out of the cab with me to say our goodbyes.  The big guy leans in to go for the kill.......and she stops me by holding up her hand and says, "wait a minute!"  An instant WTF? comes to mind but she then proceeds to say "let me help you with the lock on the door."  We walk to the outer door of the flat, fumble around with the keys and she comes inside the outer door.  That is where and when I got my first taste of sugar from Lena.  A warm, caring kiss with a very nice embrace to top it off.  Of course she then immediately scampered back to the cab with a "we will talk more tomorrow."

Lena has since explained her actions to me.  "Good girls" simply are not seen kissing their dates on the street for everyone to see.  Even cab drivers.  Even though it was a kind of role reversal (her dropping me off and walking me to my door), it was still a perfect ending to a perfect first night in Russia for me.
KenC

Ken,

Lena was absolutely right...  It was the "kissing in public thing" and she explained it to me today (Ms C that  is, not Lena...   ).

Keep in mind I was sort of going for a peck on the cheek like I'd give the shopkeeper at my local convenience store.

Today she explained that her and her sister had discussed kissing in public and her sister used their brother as an example.  He is nearly 40 and recently married a 22 yr old girl.  Both Ms C and her sister think this girl isn't a very nice girl because one of their friends saw the newly married couple kissing in public once.  SHOCK HORROR!

 

Kuna

[Kuna]

Kuna,

Ms. D is not only in your head, she seems to be in your heart.  Your time with Ms. C seems to reinforce that sentiment.     

Ms. C and the man in the restaurant.  Something is there and she does not know how to explain it.  Being a good church girl, she will not lie to you, although some consider being evasive as less than honest.  Time to speculate - perhaps a brother of a past boyfriend (10% probability).  We all have a past.  Personally, I like women who hold nothing back, and can tell it to me straight.  Few are like that, however. 

Gator,

Yes, there is something with the guy in the restaurant and I think you're right... she doesn't know how to explain it!  Ms C is coming to Kyiv for a few days and during that time I want to expand our conversations a little.

Ms D is a great girl... so is Ms C.  I will say that I think I've been very lucky to contact, identify and get to know two girls that are really good people.

In another thread there there's a lot of comment about WMVM and while I don't have any final conclusions yet I'd say:

1. It's hard when you meet two great girls on the same trip. I wish I didn't, I have!;

2. It's easy for me not to compare the girls like I'm choosing the best tyres for my car.  My thought process isn't like that at all.  I'm simply looking for the girl who I feel would fit into my life best, and me into hers. If one is wonderful, yet may not fit into my environment easily, it's surely best for her AND me to let her know that.
I/O made comments the other day about it only being fair to let a girl see your home environment so she can choose too.  I agree, but don't know how possible it'll be for most girls to come to Oz for a visit;

3. It may eventuate that I return home and continue some correspondence with both for a time, and neither may eventuate into a Long Term Relationship.  With Ms C I think we can be friends for a long time.  There's a mutual respect that we've found that is quite rare.  The thing is, I'm not stupid enough to think either girl would find it hard to date at home, or indeed with other foreigners that come to Ukraine.  They both say they're off the sites and I don't know if they are or aren't because I don't visit them anymore.  If our connection is good enough, timing is right and we have some luck, things may continue and grow into something real.  As Ms C said today, "We cannot predict the future, we must just keep living."

I've had a great day but I'm tired.  I need some rest and thinking time.  Maybe I need less thinking time?  On Wednesday I'll go to Dnepropetrovsk to see Ms D.  On Saturday she'll come back to Kiev for the weekend.

I really don't want to comment much more until I have things straight in my head but I've had a very nice day today and I feel very lucky to have avoided the distasters many men have encountered and to have met two really wonderful people.

Kuna

[Gator]

Kuna,

Somewhere a long time ago I predicted two.  Also, I took the "over" in the over/under wager with the bookie's number being one.  You have too many threads and posts to find it.

You seem like a well-adjusted man and I am sure you will make a good decision.  If you are indeed a one-woman man, your feelings will decide for you. 

There is plenty of time left; one may just reveal something fatal. 

It does not sound as if there will be three women to deliberate.

but I'm tired.

I bet you are!

[Michelangelo]

On Wednesday I'll go to Dnepropetrovsk to see Ms D.  On Saturday she'll come back to Kiev for the weekend.

Hey Kuna,

I think it's a great idea to go to Dnepr...i love that city!

You'll like the BIG Dnerpt river, and the lights on the bridge and water at night.

There are a lot of new malls there (nice in wintertime), and some fine restraunts, and the European Square is very nice. Europa is a new nice market on the square with some pretty good food.  There is also a new internet cafe right off European Sq. on Moscowskaya.

Be sure to enjoy Vienna coffee in Grand Plaza; I'm sure Ms. D will want to partake sushi
at Most in the new big mall (the one with the movie theaters).

Our favorite coffee shoppe is Pastoral....really nice coffees and cakes.

Behind McDonads is a really nice pizza house--Pizza Chelentano.
It's -15 in Dnerpr today, so bundle up.

And have a great time!

michaelangelo

[Michelangelo]

Somewhere a long time ago I predicted two.  Also, I took the "over" in the over/under wager with the bookie's number being one.  You have too many threads and posts to find it.

You seem like a well-adjusted man and I am sure you will make a good decision.  If you are indeed a one-woman man, your feelings will decide for you. 

Hmm..one made him a scarf "with her own hands."  The other refused a kiss on the cheek.  Dosen't take any more than that for me to figure out which one...    LOL

[Kuna]

Hey Kuna,

I think it's a great idea to go to Dnepr...i love that city!

You'll like the BIG Dnerpt river, and the lights on the bridge and water at night.

There are a lot of new malls there (nice in wintertime), and some fine restraunts, and the European Square is very nice. Europa is a new nice market on the square with some pretty good food.  There is also a new internet cafe right off European Sq. on Moscowskaya.

Be sure to enjoy Vienna coffee in Grand Plaza; I'm sure Ms. D will want to partake sushi
at Most in the new big mall (the one with the movie theaters).

Our favorite coffee shoppe is Pastoral....really nice coffees and cakes.

Behind McDonads is a really nice pizza house--Pizza Chelentano.
It's -15 in Dnerpr today, so bundle up.

And have a great time!

michaelangelo

Mate,  you really ARE in love with that city aren't you!!!

I think I'll go down on Wednesday... maybe Thursday.  I've heard many good things about the big D that I think it'd be a shame to be close and not go there!

Also...  it'd kinda fulfill on I/O and jb's desire for old fashioned romance if I wait outside Ms D's work with a bunch of roses and a big cheesy grin!   

Kuna

[Kuna]

Hmm..one made him a scarf "with her own hands."  The other refused a kiss on the cheek.  Dosen't take any more than that for me to figure out which one...    LOL

Hmmm.. yeah but Ms C is MUCH more conservative, I think because of her religious upbringing.  Our interactions over the past few days have been lovely.

Ms D is definitely more "out there" which is good... Ms C is much more "let's go step by step... too fast is no good for me and no good for you... OK Koonah (or something like that if you know my real name)" which is also good.

I'm almost embarrassed to say both seem very happy with our meeting. Both are similar in many ways but still very different. Ultimately it'll depend if they ACTUALLY choose me... and then if I can imagine them fitting in comfortably with my lifestyle at home.

I think I have to just wait... not rush... and I'm sure my final feelings will emerge.  It's not a competition or a race, hopefully it's the start of something good.

[DKMM]

Nice TR Kuna, been following it the whole time.  

I also enjoy the live TR as opposed to the write it all when you get home variety.  For one, I'm sure you use this as the place to bounce what's going on inside your head around a bit.  You can't talk to anybody there about it or expect your mates back in Oz to really understand.  And for us, its like reality television except its reality wife hunting.

Anyways, to respond to some of your points that haven't been covered much yet:

1.  Yes the girls there like to sleep!  They can easily sleep all day if given the chance.

2.  I too found the biggest surprise to be English ability.  Some seem to write better english than they can speak and vice versa.  And "Fair" English vs. "Good" English on profiles is widely interpretted as I'm sure you've noticed.

3.  I wouldn't overanalyze the guy in the restaurant thing.  He's probably just a colleague, not an ex.  Its common to run into their guy friends there while on a date.  But only you know how dirty of a look he gave you.  Maybe he likes her... or maybe its because she didn't tell him that she's looking at foreigners and was scared of his reaction finding out.

Some more on the big picture thing.  Even if you like her a lot and she you, if you know she wouldn't be happy to emigrate you are setting yourself up for pain down the road if you continue with her.  I would gently prod ms. D into speaking truthfully about the concept of emigration, unless you are seriously entertaining living in the Ukraine.

DKMM

[Michelangelo]

I think I have to just wait... not rush... and I'm sure my final feelings will emerge.  It's not a competition or a race, hopefully it's the start of something good.

Yes, that is the wise approach.  Get home, think it over, and decide. 

And then the good part comes~really getting to know her and coming back and spending time with her this summer.  That's the way it happened with Vik and me~ we met, I left, and we were ready for a deeper relationship on our second meeting.  IMHO, that's the way it works best...

[Michelangelo]

Also...  it'd kinda fulfill on I/O and jb's desire for old fashioned romance if I wait outside Ms D's work with a bunch of roses and a big cheesy grin!   

Dude, it's -15 there now!!!  You will freeze, and so will the roses!  Better to have her meet you at Most or Chelentanos  :-)

[Kuna]

Nice TR Kuna, been following it the whole time.  

I also enjoy the live TR as opposed to the write it all when you get home variety.  For one, I'm sure you use this as the place to bounce what's going on inside your head around a bit.  You can't talk to anybody there about it or expect your mates back in Oz to really understand.  And for us, its like reality television except its reality wife hunting.

Anyways, to respond to some of your points that haven't been covered much yet:

1.  Yes the girls there like to sleep!  They can easily sleep all day if given the chance.

2.  I too found the biggest surprise to be English ability.  Some seem to write better English than they can speak and vice versa.  And "Fair" English vs. "Good" English on profiles is widely interpreted as I'm sure you've noticed.

3.  I wouldn't overanalyze the guy in the restaurant thing.  He's probably just a colleague, not an ex.  Its common to run into their guy friends there while on a date.  But only you know how dirty of a look he gave you.  Maybe he likes her... or maybe its because she didn't tell him that she's looking at foreigners and was scared of his reaction finding out.

Some more on the big picture thing.  Even if you like her a lot and she you, if you know she wouldn't be happy to emigrate you are setting yourself up for pain down the road if you continue with her.  I would gently prod ms. D into speaking truthfully about the concept of emigration, unless you are seriously entertaining living in the Ukraine.

DKMM

DK.... Mmmmmmm.

OK, sorry, couldn't help it.

Couldn't sleep so I'm back in the Sales and Marketing office of my hotel just hanging out at RWD and trying to kill some time.  It's much warmer in here than in my room and I think one more night with a chill on my back and I'll be hobbling home to Oz.

Funny thing just happened though.  There must be a volleyball tournament on here at the moment because there's all these really tall buggers walking around.  Anyway, I'm sitting here reading RWD and in walks a super-tall chick and it turns out to be ummm... have to look up her name again.  Anyway, Silver medalist at the Sydney Olympics named Luba.  Had a fun chat... some laughs...  some pics...  bit of self deprecating humour but she said I wasn't "that short".  Who said Russians couldn't be kind!

Thanks for your comments...  

English ability... I found Ms D's English better in person that on the phone.  In writing she's fine but I wonder how long it takes to write each email.

With Ms C... again fine in writing but she freely admits to needing time to write because she checks dictionaries etc.  Talking on the phone was really good but now I wonder if she was "faking" some of the "OK, I understand(s)" on the phone.  Still, the communication is quite good.  I'm trying to give each of them time to relax over the conversations because I can appreciate how difficult it'd be if we were having the same conversations in Russian.  Hat's off to both of them!

Re: the guy in the restaurant... Oh, it was a dirty look.  Ya know...  stick "that look" in a can and we might be able to patent a new paint stripper.  It was a doosey!

She was definitely distracted during dinner... more than once.  I don't think he works with her directly, maybe he is in the building.  They must know each other though because she reacted too much for it to be someone she'd seen around "once in a while".

She has a senior role in government here and she's told me only her family and 2 friends know about my visit.  She says she doesn't like to tell people what "might happen" because then it never does... and her boss would be upset if she thought Ms C could potentially leave for OS one day.

Maybe it was as Gator said, a brother of her ex.  Maybe someone sweet on her... maybe someone else. It's not her ex because I know he's a lawyer and they studdied together.  No lawyer I've ever seen has perfected a look like that!  

I agree with you fully on the big picture.

I'm basically at a point where I could imagine myself with either girl but now we have to get into more of the like "how do you feel about immigration/missing family and friends/language differences/career changes/heat/humidity/driving on the wrong side of the road/loud family Christmas'/etc.

Lots to talk about with each girl...

Re: living in Ukraine.  it's a possibility but that wold be a long and winding road to get there.  Got some responsibilities in Oz and no matter how much I like it here THAT decision would be based purely on logic not feeling.

Ironically I looked in the Kiev Post this week and there are probably three roles with foreign companies I'd be ideally suited for.  $'s, benefits, trips home, etc would be the defining factor... and of course a chat with Scottincrimea because he'd be "the man" on that topic!

Hope you're well!

Cheers,

Kuna

[Kuna]

Dude, it's -15 there now!!!  You will freeze, and so will the roses!  Better to have her meet you at Most or Chelentanos  :-)

Apparently it was -15 in Cherkassy yesterday but I've gotta tell you, nothing has come close to -11 in Riga.

If I get to DNR my arrival will be a surprise.  She thinks we'll meet up in Kyiv but I would like to see DNR.

I actually wanted to meet her there to start with but she thought Kiev would be better because her family is in Moscow and her best friends are in Germany and Spain.

After being together in Kyiv she said she wished we were in DNR so she could cook for me but the timing was bad.  I might be able to arrange the time later in the week, if only for a day or two.


On a different note...

Anyone tired yet?  I'm having another one of those nights where I know i won't sleep much. 

[BillyB]

Kuna, don't look into much about the guy at the restaurant. Some women don't want to be the subject of gossip at work and women do get fired when their boss knows they might be leaving to go to another country, especially one he potentially hates. If I'm correct, even thought the guy she knows was present, you mentioned Ms. C  did hold your hand. That's a good sign the body language was there. Remember... photos speak a thousand words and we're here to help if you feel a need to post them.

[CaptB]

As Billy says.......keeping the fact she is dating a foreigner from from coworkers, other tenants in the building she resides.......is very common. It is a bother why....at this stage.....she would not explain who this guys is.

Keep those trip reports coming.


Capt B