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Kuna's Ukraine Trip Report
« on: January 29, 2007, 12:53:22 PM »
Prologue

Ahhhh…. I’m home!

Firstly, may I say that after several days away from RWD “I’ve missed ‘youse’ guys”!

I have only been able to find a dial up connection for the apartment so at the first opportunity I logged into the site, [right click>CMD N] every unread topic and have spent the last hour reading up on all the gossip.

All I have to say about the posts over the past few days is:

Let’s not forget what our pursuit is… and let’s not forget what is truly important in life.

We’re here to discuss, share, learn and experience all that is wonderful (and strange at times) in FSU.

It’s what has made my time on these boards so enjoyable…  and I’m pleased to be able to contribute with my little stories from my first trip to Ukraine.
« Last Edit: January 29, 2007, 04:17:12 PM by Kuna »

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Re: Kuna's Ukaine Trip Report
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2007, 12:54:12 PM »
Rounding off my Riga Impressions

Riga was an important place for me to visit but after reflecting on my first five days in Kiev I will be bold enough to advise anyone (including newbies) that I think finding a wife in Latvia will be very difficult.

If you read my Riga TR you’ll know I met a few girls and all were lovely in their own right.

I think if you’re looking to marry a Latvian girl you might find that all beautiful, emotionally balanced and successful girls either:

a)   have no interest in leaving Riga,
b)   highly skeptical about western men’s intentions, or;
c)   will require an extraordinary amount of dating time on home soil and if you’re lucky you might find one that will consider leaving her homeland… and only if you’re an exceptional bloke!

I can’t help but think that the doors on International Marriage in Riga are almost closed.  They’ve turned on the lights and they’re balancing the tills.  Once we finish our last drinks we’ll be politely asked to leave and if we don’t they’ll throw us out.

It was very sad to see this location ruined by the poor behaviour of many.  It’s a consequence of the behaviour of the less desirable ones amongst us and as usually happens, the genuine ones will no doubt suffer.

So…  for those currently involved in relationships of all sorts with ladies in Latvia I congratulate you but suspect you may be amongst the last of us to successfully marry a Latvian girl via methods frequently discussed on these boards.

For those of us still looking,  I would encourage you to “b!tch-slap” every sex tourist you ever see.  They’re setting the low standards for all of us and of course locals will judge us all against this dreadful benchmark.

Elfa is lovely, fun, intelligent, sexy and many other things.  She isn’t going to be the one I finally marry.

I’ll enjoy maintaining contact with her because of her intelligence and national pride.

If any sex tourist had the character of that girl they wouldn’t be a sex tourist… they’d be outstanding humans.

Sex tourists aren’t outstanding humans… they’re scum!

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Re: Kuna's Ukaine Trip Report
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2007, 12:55:42 PM »
Onwards to Ukraine – My Arrival

For those of you reading my pre-trip posts you’ll know I was a little nervous about entry to Ukraine because an error was made on my Visa.  It was only one letter in my name which was incorrect but I’d heard many horror stories about Visa control and customs that I was convinced I was in for a world of pain.

What a day it turned out to be!

Once I’d said my goodbyes to Elfa and made my way to Riga airport I was confused with the maze on stairways and poor signage to the departure gates that I was convinced I would have to turn around and go back to Old Riga for the remainder of my trip.

I had in fact decided that if I was refused entry to Ukraine I would bite my lower lip and head to Budapest instead to see my ex-girlfriend who is now working there.  If this did happen I had my story straight and I would explain to her several important things:

a) I was not there to marry her;
b) I would never marry her;
c) I think she’s lovely and we had a great time, but we’re not compatible so I wouldn’t marry anyone like her, and;
d) I like her a lot so if I can share a pillow or crash on her couch it’d be great… but I’m still not marrying her.

If I made it past that point I would ask her to introduce me to the blonde girl that was in a photo of her new staff because she’s less attractive than Anja but still looks like fun!  (Hmmm…  she might pick the lie about the “less attractive” bit but then again we are never getting married anyway!)

Thankfully I didn’t have to explain any of this because my entry to Ukraine was packed with surprises.

I had thought long and hard about the potential possibilities for the day and employed an old technique I used in my sporting days.

The night before big competitions we would visualize every movement for the day ahead.

From waking to breakfast, the car ride to the stadium, the warm up and the motivational moments prior to stepping onto the platform were all played out moment by moment.  Imagining perfection and feeling the adrenaline build throughout the day brought us to a frame of mind that didn’t only imagine the scene, it inspired perfection.

Each lift (yes, it was a strength sport), bars whipping with free energy,  all white lights,  applause and cheers, unhappy faces of competitors and the beaming smiles and crushing bear hugs from coaches.

Everything wasn’t imagined, it was “real” in our minds eye.

So as my plane started it’s decent into Kiev I started my visualization… Alighting from the plane, walking up to the Visa Control Desk, looking into the eyes of some faceless nameless official… Oh damn… I didn’t have time for this.  I’d never been to Borispol and I had no idea what to expect!  What would I visualize…? I was fooling myself.  This was never going to work.

I needed something else and FAST!

OMG… What to do… WHAT TO DO!

Then it hit me…  This was a simple and successful technique that often helped me through daily life… Whenever I’m looking for a car park in a busy shopping centre I just think positively!  “Yeah… that’ll work for sure!”
 
“Yo, dude, how goes you?  I see you’re holding my flawed Visa in your hand and I know you’re dying to kick my a$$ but we both know deep down inside you’re a fun loving guy like me.  Let me in… I mean no harm.  I promise to only fall in love with one girl and I won’t even whisk her off to Australia for a long time yet”.

Well… that’s something like I was thinking but by the time the tyres screeched on Ukraine tarmac I was calm and at peace with the world.  My grandfather came from here… I deserved to be here…  and I definitely didn’t want to go to Budapest to fight a marriage with a girl who is frankly a little scary when I knew an awesome adventure awaited just past those doors.

I ignored some advice from several people (some here, some at home) to pay for the VIP service at Borispol because I thought that anything out of the ordinary might draw more attention to my entry and therefore I was happy to melt into the hoards and take a punt on the line up.

I have no idea where everyone went when we were approaching the Visa Control Desks because I arrived at the thin yellow line and only one person was ahead of me.

Damn!  So much for the hoards!

I suspect my AirBaltic flight was heavily populated with Ukrainians and therefore everyone else went to a different aisle but I didn’t have a chance to get nervous or look suspicious because it was my turn and within moment I’d know my fate.

The girl behind the glass didn’t look attractive.  She didn’t look like she was formally attractive.  In fact, if I was pressed I would say she didn’t know any other girls who were attractive because her skin was badly flawed and her eyes were lifeless. This girl hadn’t lived and to be honest I’d say she was barely surviving.

Ahhhh… she hates her job.  She doesn’t want any more hassle than she needs.  I was confident I was…. [BANG]!

Yep… that BANG was “stamp hitting paper” and I was on my way.  It was as easy as that!

The only other thing I was slightly worried about was getting through customs because again I’d heard may horror stories about corrupt officials and bribes being demanded in the form of “informal taxes”.

I was heavily laden with gifts so I thought if I was stopped and searched it was going to be hard to say the wine, run, books, CD’s, stuffed toys, chocolate and perfume were all for my personal use while away.

Actually, I might have gotten away with everything other than the stuffed Koalas because… well… lett’s be honest.  How many stuffed koalas does one grown man need on a holiday to Ukraine?

My bags were already on the carousel and after loading up a trolley I took a few breathes and waited as one Ukrainian family (Mum, dad and child in tow) and an American in a cowboy hat steadied their loads and as they walked towards the green isle I followed. 

“Ukraines are all GO!”

Cowboy hat… “Sir, please come over here”

Aussie on his first FSU adventure… “Walk dude, walk.  Don’t look back!”

Ahhhh… I was through.  Now to just find my “guide” and I’d be on my way.

I couldn’t believe it.  A total of 15 minutes after stepping off the plane I was now searching for my ride to the city and not once did I ever think it would be that easy!

This trip was going to be a breeze!

So…  after hearing the word Taxi forty times I danced with my trolley in circle after circle looking for someone holding a sign with my name on it.  I remembered Riga and my driver unceremoniously throwing my name in the bin and I hoped in Kiev they at least waited until they got eye contact before disposing of your name.

Again and again I looked and then I started to worry that I had sent the wrong time in my “final itinerary” email.

OK,  this wasn’t working so off I went in the crowded and fairly rundown terminal to find some Internet. 

Yeah baby… nothing could stop me now…  I was on a roll!

Three circles of the terminal and I decided my research on the Cyrillic alphabet might have failed me because I saw nothing that resembled Internet.

Finally I had to ask.

“Hello, do you speak English?”

Shaking head…

“Hello, do you speak English?”

Shaking head…

Hmmmm… then out of the blue one of the recently rejected taxi drivers said to me, “You need help? 

What could I do???  “Yeah,  I need Internet.”

“Come with me,” he said.

Damn… my roll had ended.

I was about to say “Yeah mate naah” when I noticed he wasn’t walking towards the doors but rather he was walking back up the terminal,  from where I had come.

When we got to the café at the far end of the entry lounge he told me this was the Internet café and I could use the Internet there.

He also asked if I had cash because they wouldn’t accept cards and when I said no he walked me over to the currency exchange.

As I was waiting he asked why I was lost…  and again if I needed a taxi.

I told him my friend was late so I just needed his number and he again told me “maybe you’ll need a taxi later.”

Hmmm… I couldn’t help it…  “Yeah mate naah!”

Success… I had cash…  back to the Internet café and after finally getting some service I logged onto the web and checked my mail.

Nope, no bad news… Yep, I’d sent the right time.

Enough was enough… I went back up to the arrives gate only to find my guide who, in a very nice way, berated me for walking off and explained that he was waiting there the whole time.

I know he wasn’t, and a few excuses later we were out into the cold.

Now, I have to say that as cold as it was in Kiev that afternoon it was nothing like Riga.

That wind in Riga was really something else so while I was getting apologies and explanations about the weather I was just staring outside and drinking in the new sights and sounds.

First stop was the apartment and I’ll always remember my initial impressions as we fiddled with the door and walked into the entrance hall.

Wow… I hope the apartment is nicer inside than it is on the outside.

After talking to the babushka in the glass box we got some keys and headed off upstairs.

Ahhhh… these lifts.  It reminded me so much of Riga’s except this time I had me, my bags and another person squeezed in and crawling upwards.

Once we entered the apartment I was relieved because it was spacious, clean and functional.

We “jiggered” around in the apartment for a while and after paying for my stay I was a little frustrated that I had someone else taking control rather than living my usual “independent traveler” routine.

Questions, assumptions, where’s you phone, where’s your notebook computer, do this, do that…  “Why the hell am I doing this and that,” I asked myself.

Finally we were off and down the hill, and I’ll add, at a gradient you just can’t appreciate on Google Earth.  We walked to Independence Square and bought an Internet card from a punter who really couldn’t be making much of a living if he was playing the game straight.

Next we were off to a mobile phone shop and after looking at phones, talking about SIM cards and testing a few in my phone I decided to “Just Say No” and do this at my own pace later.

Again we were off and this time I wasn’t sure where because we had the Internet Card and we rejected the phone offers and yet we were still walking as if we were trying to avoid being noticed while knowing someone threatening was following.  I looked around and noticed no one threatening so I stopped… and stopped… and stopped…  and waited…  and finally my guide stopped.

After returning he said “Hey man,  where are you going? We have to go down here.”

I had to ask, and guessed I might have known the answer, but I said, “Where are we going” to which the response was “down here”.

I said no,  we’re going back to the apartment but first I’m going to the toilet (yes, it was cold enough to inspire FSU… that’s Frequent and Sequential Urination”) to which he said, “Yeah, let’s go here!”  And off we were again.

I suddenly wondered why Ukraine hadn’t won many more medals at the Olympics for the walking events because I was really struggling just to keep up!

Finally we got to a restaurant/bar on the main street (yes, you'll all know it but I can't remember the spelling YET!) and once inside I ask him to order a beer and something for himself and went off to the loo.

Hmmm… nice bathroom.  Again I’d heard bad stories about Ukrainian loo’s but I was pleasantly surprised that not all amenities would induce nausea!

Back at the bar I received my change and a copy of the receipt he explained that he gets a discount here because he was a regular and I get the feeling this is where we were coming in the beginning so he could show me a bar and tell me about his discount.

After my beer and his water we were off again and this time (thankfully) back toward Independence Square.  We get to the stairs for the Metro and I ask him where he’s going and he explained he was coming back to the apartment to help me with my Internet setup.

I explained it was fine… I wasn’t going straight back to the apartment and I was sure I could work out the set up later.  With that he was off down the stairs and I had my first chance to stop, take a breath and drink in the sights.

Independence Square.  I’d seen it so many times on the web and during the Orange Revolution I marveled at the people standing in the cold wishing for change and cheering for a better life.

It was an incredible feeling… knowing my grandfather had come from this place and my stepfather had come here when escaping the Russians and the Germans in his own homeland of Latvia.

It was very surreal… and I HATE the word surreal because it’s so clichéd.  ;)

Anyway… I was here and I was off.  Kiev at my speed where I could experience my first few hours and develop the types of memories I wanted to take home.

Now…  let me say something that’s very important.  Some of you know who I am using as my guide while in Kiev and nothing I said above should take away from his good work.  I am certain that he helped me and saved me time but I’m not here for a few days and I am not a first time traveler.

When I travel I like the experience to be an experience, and not a race.  I’m still happy with my choice of guide and endorse the positive comments I’ve received from others prior to my trip.

So… that was my arrival in Kiev!

More was to come on this first night but I’ll leave that to the next chapter…

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Re: Kuna's Ukaine Trip Report
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2007, 01:40:28 PM »
My First Night in Kiev

Well, I was in town and I was alone.  One of my three girls had sent an email that I luckily saw at Borispol apologizing that something had come up and she wouldn’t be able to meet me tonight.

This was neither a big surprise nor a big disappointment because I’ve estimated from our correspondence that she’s living an “unusual” lifestyle and while she might SAY she is looking for marriage and a family I think (as with all of us) actions speaks louder than words.

I’ve written about her before and asked questions about the probability of her story holding true and I’d say after 3 months of correspondence that her story IS true but it makes her much less likely to be “the one” out of the three I anticipated meeting.

She is a television presenter and often travels in Europe and other places like some Pacific Island nations.

In a very quick email at Borispol I told her that it was a shame that we couldn’t meet on my first night and it was an even greater shame that I was so busy on my trip but I might have time later next week when we could have coffee.

The next morning I received a response saying she knew I was with another girl for 4 days but if I could excuse myself from her for an hour or two we could meet at a coffee shop near Independence Square because it is close to my apartment and her work.

I didn’t respond and won’t, but I did see her on television today and I think I might weaken!  ;)

OK…  so what was I to do on my first night in Kiev.  It was Australia Day and while I thought it was unlikely to bump into any Aussies I was keen to have a look around. 

O’Brien’s is mentioned so often and being an ex-pat pub I thought it was as good a place as any to start.

It was still quite early when I got there so there were plenty of tables free and after my eyes tearing their way through Cyrillic item after Cyrillic item on the menu I used some common sense and asked for a menu in English.

Hmmm… First night in Kiev so what was I going to eat?  Chicken Kiev!

May I say that when advice is given in RWD you should just LISTEN TO IT!

My meal was terrible!

I’d had a beer and struggled though the meal and watch the pub fill with the most beautiful women I’ve ever seen.

Not just physically beautiful but 90% of the girls that entered moved with grace and style and demonstrated the type of poise I had hoped I would find.

Some Americans sat at the table in front of me and some locals carried some sound equipment to a spot under a big screen showing sporting highlights.

Ahhhh.. live music…  something to make up for my dinner might be on it’s way.

Some of the things I noticed going on around me were more than just a little interesting.

Two girls sat at a table diagonal to where I was and I noticed two men sitting at the table next to them and trying quite incessantly to strike up some conversation.  They wanted to move the tables together and the girls reacted as if the blokes had syphilis, or worse,  a wife!

As I’d finished my meal and was getting close to finishing my beer I had to make a decision to either go back to the apartment or risk the music being as bad as the chicken Kiev…  The Americans looked like they were about to jump on my table as soon as I stood so I just waited,  knowing that the tables had all filled up and if I was to voluntarily give it up for anyone I’d rather give it up to the girls who were still entering in twos and three rather than a couple of Americans who looked like they wanted it too bad.

I pulled my chair out as if I was about to stand up and these two poor buggers looked like some stunning girl had just walked in the room.  Ok, OK, stunning girls were walking in the room but I kinda joked with them that they “wanted my table, they really really wanted it” and then we had a little joust about the music being too loud once it gets going and me trying to decide if I was going to leave or not.

Eventually I offered to let them sit with me and almost immediately their place was taken by two Pommy guys!

Well… this was about as good as it would get because I couldn’t find any Aussies BUT the roundup from the One Day Cricket game in Adelaide appeared on screen and I leant forward to ask the pommy guys if they knew what happened at the cricket.  They kinda cringed and then I said, “Ohhh, it’s on TV now,”  and the conversation was off and going. 

We were having a really good time and compared notes on our experiences in Riga.  My notes at that stage really could have been written on the back of a business card but it still would have looked feeble unless I used really big writing.

I was happy to ask questions and swap some scorching eye contact with the girl that was rebutting the men at the table next to her earlier.

The service was terrible and the band was about to start so I got up to get a beer from the bar.  While I was up there “Ms Eye Contact” was there, waiting to pass while the manager was trying to eject a guy on crutches.  It looked like it was going to turn into some “argy bargy” so I grabbed her arm and pulled her behind me.

After the “scene” had cleared she asked me where I was from and I told her, in a broad Australian accent, “Australia!”

She looked to my table and asked if my friends and I were here to look for wives, “Because many western men come here because they think they can find wives”.

I responded by telling her I wouldn’t marry a Ukrainian girl because, “I hear they divorce too often”. 

Then I smiled and said, “It’d be nice to find the future mother of my children though.”

She said, “What?” 

I repeated it…

She said, “What” again, and I said, “It doesn’t matter, I don’t want to get married”.

As we both made our way back to our tables I bade her farewell and went back to asking questions and listening to the stories of the men at the table.

They English guys work in or around or had something to do with Chernobyl.  It’s not the type of work I’d like but hanging out in Kiev seemed like a good gig if you could get it.

The Americans were here looking for wives and had been to Ukraine a few times before.

They’d spend a week in Odessa and one found a woman he thought would be a good match.  He hit the jackpot because for some reason she carries a German passport and has visited America before.

The other had met a woman in Odessa as well but his trip didn’t go so well.

We were having a genuinely good time even though buying a beer had to be harder than finding a wife and the band was pumping out some seriously good tunes.

Girls were up dancing,  guys were trying to get some attention by dancing near them and the bar staff must have all gone on strike because everyone else was having too much fun.

When I went back up to the bar “Ms Scorching Eye Contact” was up there in front of me and when she turned around she said, “Oh it’s you.  Why did you say Ukrainian girls always divorce?  It’s not our fault.”

I said I didn’t think it was the girl fault but when I get married I want it to last.  That takes a lot of trust.

She kinda scoffed at me and brushed past and I decided no matter how much eye contact I got later I was sticking to my original plan and not getting sidetracked by someone who looked attractive on the outside but undoubtedly was ugly on the inside.

The English guys had to leave but the Americans and I stayed for a few more drinks.

After some talking I took them up on their offer to go to the River Palace because it was supposed to be some hot nightclub.

I’ve got to say… if you ever have the chance to go to this place DO NOT GO!

Yes, there are hundreds of beautiful girls and yes it is a nice venue.  Why not go?  It may have just been a bad night but the place was FULL of hookers.  It was impossible to find anyone that didn’t ask for a drink and $300 for sex and while that may “jerk some men’s gherkin”,  I’m not into paying for sex!

We stayed there late and I got talking to another Englishman… perhaps one of those that formally stuffed up Riga, and then decided to head back to the apartment for a much needed sleep.

That was the end of my first day in Kiev and while it sounds like it had its ups and downs it was certainly an experience and the initial impressions will stay with me forever.

What were my initial impressions???

Let’s be honest, you only want to know about one thing!

1)   The girls are the most beautiful I’ve seen, and;
2)   The number of them was unbelievable.

There was little eye contact on the street but it was a different feel to Riga.

People didn’t scowl at you when they heard you accent and it actually felt safer than the streets of Riga, even though I had no problems there.

If you’ve made it through my Riga trip report and can still maintain your attention during this one I’ll tell you one thing.  If I were you, and you were looking for a wife, I would be going straight to Ukraine not Latvia.  I can’t make any assertions on Russia but I’ll have money on you having more success in Ukraine than in Latvia if my experiences were anything close to the common experiences one will have.

OK…  Want to hear more?

You’ll have to wait…  I’ve got to write it!   ;D
« Last Edit: January 29, 2007, 04:18:06 PM by Kuna »

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Re: Kuna's Ukaine Trip Report
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2007, 02:48:48 PM »
Sounds like a fun day.

Yes all Ukrainian women can decide to pull out of a meeting at the last minute even if the man has travelled half way around the world to meet her.Good thing is that this hapend to you with the girl you were least keen on and hopefully the others will turn up.
Been through Borispol several times.The only thing customs ask is:'How many dollars you have and what is the value of gifts you are taking?' They never checked what I told them (although I always told the truth)

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Re: Kuna's Ukaine Trip Report
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2007, 04:02:38 PM »
Kuna, what about write a book... you write it, i publish it... you are the celebrity, i become rich  ::)  ;D ;D

Your writing style is wonderful... i enjoy your trip report...

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Re: Kuna's Ukaine Trip Report
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2007, 04:03:09 PM »
Welcome to Ukraine.  Kiev is a fun city.

As expected, great read.

As expected, food at O'Brien's is bad.

As expected, River Palace is full of hookers and expensive at that (never been but that is its reputation).

As expected, some of the Kiev women can be a little difficult.

Unexpected, UW does not show.  I agree, she had her chance or at least needs to give a complete explanation rather than a vague, "something came up."  

If the next UW does not show, God forbid, go one block uphill from O'Brien's and visit Kiev Connections.  I have the name of another very personal introduction agency, , the manager will come to your apartment with her catalogue, and she knows which women are serious and what they seek.

Be sure to get the Ethiopian coffee, espresso not Americano or cappuccino (unless early in the morning).

Have fun.  In a way I wish I were there.
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Re: Kuna's Ukraine Trip Report
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2007, 04:14:15 PM »
Kuna, what about write a book... you write it, i publish it... you are the celebrity, i become rich  ::)  ;D ;D

Your writing style is wonderful... i enjoy your trip report...

Bruno... for a moment I thought you were taking the p!ss...  but now a book offer is on the table all I'll need is a small retainer to keep me in Ukraine for the duration of the writing and the deal is all yours.

Seriously had a great few days and just about to post the "chapters" of my first "meeting".... No, that is not "meating" but "meeting".

Hmmm... trying to decide on photos...  Legit or not?  I think the photos speak a thousand words.

It's late... very late...  but I want to get this down before sleep steals the memories!

 8)
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Re: Kuna's Ukaine Trip Report
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2007, 04:31:00 PM »
Welcome to Ukraine.  Kiev is a fun city.

As expected, some of the Kiev women can be a little difficult.

Unexpected, UW does not show.  I agree, she had her chance or at least needs to give a complete explanation rather than a vague, "something came up." 

If the next UW does not show, God forbid, go one block uphill from O'Brien's and visit Kiev Connections.  I have the name of another very personal introduction agency, , the manager will come to your apartment with her catalogue, and she knows which women are serious and what they seek.

Be sure to get the Ethiopian coffee, espresso not Americano or cappuccino (unless early in the morning).

Have fun.  In a way I wish I were there.

Indeed it is!!!

Loved it actually.  This girl was flirty and all angry at the same time.  On at least 20 occassions during the night I looked up and she was looking at me/us and instead of looking away I would give her a smile.

At first she'd look away immediately as if she'd bee "caught".  After a while she would smile back and look embarrassed.  She was HOT not because of her looks... but because she had attitude.  I'm tired of vanilla and predictable!


She said it was work but work isn't a good excuse for me.  She's the only girl that knew I was coming to meet her and others and she's been manipulating for the past month.  It's OK, I have options.  I'm still interested in her but I don't play games.  I didn't break my time with Ms Dnepropetrovsk but I do have some free time coming up.  If she can get over the fact that I'm meeting others we can have a nice meeting.  We'll see!

She showed... AND HOW!   ;)

I'm glad you said the Ethiopian and not the cap.  We were there today for a cap and I wasn't impressed.  I'll definitely try the Ethiopian tomorrow!  I'm a die hard coffee drinker.  Once I needed blood tests and the Doctor said I had too much Blood in my coffee system.  I've been drinking tea and enjoying it but I NEED my coffee.   ;D

Gator,  I wish you were too!  I'm sure we'd have a ball!

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« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2007, 04:49:43 PM »

Hmmm... trying to decide on photos...  Legit or not?  I think the photos speak a thousand words.


Kuna, photos do speak a thousand words and if you post them, I'll give you my $99.95 opinion for free, just for you. I call it the friends and family discount.

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« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2007, 06:14:38 PM »
The Arrival of Ms Dnepropetrovsk

On the morning of January 27 I was up and at it early because I still had to unpack and get myself and the apartment ready for the arrival of Ms Dnepropetrovsk.

Early in the morning my guide called and said that he should come over to the apartment to help with some things and then we had to get to the train station to pick up my friend.  We didn’t need to get to the train station until noon but he wanted to come over at 9:30 or 10:00 but I tried to explain that there was no need.  If the driver was going to pick me up at 11:15 then he should just come at 11:00.

At 10:30 there was a buzz at the door and there he was… full of beans and ready to go.  Unfortunately, I wasn’t quite ready to go so I threw a shirt on and we headed off.

For the life of me I really can’t remember what we were going out to find but by the time we got down onto Independence Square I’d realized I hadn’t shaved.  I told my guide I wanted to go back to the apartment but he said we’d be back up there to meet the driver but after walking in circles we could have either raced back to the apartment and then had to rush to the train station or kill some time down around Independence Square and take our time getting to the train.

God help me… we went to McDonalds!!!

I KNOW I KNOW…  How ridiculous!  I needed to go to the gents so in we went and while there we ordered something light (but tasteless) to eat.

Keep in mind we had a schedule to meet so I urinated, ate, drank and finished in an appropriate amount of time but NO, I didn’t do all three at the same time.

When I noticed my guide taking his time and enjoying his meal I said I’d wait outside and see him when he was finished, hinting that McDonalds really wasn’t something to be savored.

Once outside I noticed that the same types of people hang around outside McDonalds stores in Ukraine as they do in city centre stores in Brisbane and Sydney.  Young boys and girls seeking an identity and going to the only place that’s guaranteed to attract other young “lost” people.

The only difference here was that the young girls were playing by the rules their older sisters had created and the boys…  well the boys are still like we were when we were 15 years old.

I’d had enough waiting so I went inside to find someone who looked like they were enjoying McDonalds so I said, “[Guide], it’s time we left, would you like to bring those fries with you.”

No, no worries.  Another wipe of the sides of his lips with his napkin and then slowly pack up his antibacterial gel (given by a client from the US) and other assorted tools of the trade and we’re off.  As we hit the doors I ask him if he’s called the driver to tell him to meet us down here instead of the apartment and I hear “No, not yet, but I will now.”

OK,  at this point I realized I was anxious.  I took a breath, smiled at the kids waiting to be discovered and set off at a more reasonable pace.

Ms Dnepropetrovsk was interesting to me through our correspondence for a few reasons but not the least her humour and potentially a vulnerability that I found very appealing.  I don’t want or like wounded women but she would confirm with me a few times whether I would call her as promised (and for a time when I was struggling getting phone connections into Ukraine she would write me emails asking if everything was OK) and confirming three or four times that I would be at the train station to meet her.

She’s also the girl I woke up and captivated me with her purrs and sighs as she stretched like a cat who’d woken from a long sleep.

Finally the driver arrived and we were off to the train station and once we got there we found that the train arrived at 12:30 not noon.

Hmmm… the tension was building and if they offered amateur boxing bouts at that station I would have had to jump in the ring to get rid of some frustration.  12:05, 12:12, 12:16… could time crawl any more slowly?

Finally I said to my guide that I would go down to the platform alone because I our first few moment together to be uninterrupted and stress free.  The only problem was he didn’t listen and I couldn’t find the amateur ring so there we were standing on the platform outside Car #1 and watching people alight all too slowly.

Tall blonde, blue eyes… I’m thinking, “Get out of the way”!

Tall blonde, blue eyes, large breasts… I’m thinking, “Get out of the way”!

Bloke in leather jacket who looked like he found the amateur ring…  I’m thinking, “Get out of the way, no even better come here and let me give you one you won’t forget”

OK… deep breathes.  It took so long to see her face that I almost hyperventilated but one flash of that smile too all of the stress away.

I pressed through he crowd and took her hand as she took one step, two three down to me and for just a moment there was nothing to say.

“Hello”… 

Well that seemed so hollow after we’d shared so much correspondence and laughter so after bringing her a half dozen steps away from the remaining “jostling bunch” I turned to her and told her how happy I was to see her, bent to give her a kiss on the cheek and saw that animated smile I’d seen in my mind for the past 3 months.

With that “our” guide took her suitcase and off we went.  I have to admit it was nice to walk without having to lug her bag along and this mornings stressful moments seem a million miles away.

Once we reached the car my head was racing.  She smelt better than I imagines.  She had finer bone structure.  She was taller.  She was… well, she was here! :-)

In the car we made small talk and she swapped some Russian with the guide and driver and by the time got to the apartment I’d seen the sense of humour and effervescent personality that I had unexpectedly discovered “online”.

As the car pulled up I asked our guide how much the services were in total and expected to hear around 100H because the original quote for the driver was 25H.  I was a little shocked to hear 220H but dug into my wallet and handed over the cash.

As I got out of the car I was deep in thought and cursed myself for not being sterner when arranging the morning but I really could have no complaints because the total sum wouldn’t break the bank and our guide had provided a good service.

Mental note for next time…  “Control everything about your holiday yourself, even when it requires delegation.”

So there we were at the door to the apartment fiddling with the lock and resisting an impromptu “yahoo!”.

After dropping her bags off and giving her some time to freshen up and feel grounded we went for a walk down to Independence Square. 

We talked about nothing and both marveled at our meeting after sharing so much correspondence over the past few months.

She was hungry but tired so I suggested we head back towards the apartment and stop at O’Brien’s because it was close and convenient.

As we walked we started to relax and even though we knew we only had a few days together it seemed as if a few days had already passed.

Ms Dnepropetrovsk is an interesting girl because she studied law before deciding she didn’t like law and then took several trips and ended up studying in Germany for 2 years to refine her German language skills.

Now she was back in Ukraine and is fiercely proud of her Ukrainian/Russian heritage.

She asks questions, and lots of them, and during our correspondence it was some of her questions that made me question myself and my motivations.  I attribute a part of my readiness for this trip to her unintentional counseling and am more than happy that we have developed some form of understanding in a virtual world that seemed to have a some reality in the real world.

Once we’re seated in O’Brien’s some of the staff recognise me for the night before and smiled as they waited table to a point where my friend asked if I’ve been there often before.  I said only once “but I told them I was bringing a special friend tonight so please make me look good.”

She laughed and said I already looked good and dinner was off and running.

We had a terrific time, talking about our respective journeys and talking about the days ahead.

Unfortunately her current workload has forced her to cut her trip from 4 days to three but over dinner we discuss the possibility of me returning to Dnepropetrovsk with her but I’m not sure it’ll fit in with my schedule.

After dinner we return to the apartment and I fiddled with the TV while she showered and readied for bed.

What seemed an eternity later I woke we a start as she tapped me on the shoulder and woke me from my sleeping position on the floor in front of the TV.

As I rolled over my heart jumped and my mind screamed.  I knew my trip would have surprises and I understood the potential for titillation but her sleepwear caught me totally by surprise.

At home I’ve been confronted with girls in tracksuit pants, oversized t-shirts and a variety of cotton nighties with all too cute kittens or sheep scattered across but her sense of “style” was tasteful yet very sexy.

This was my test!  When we talked about accommodation for out time together she suggested saving some money and having a 2 room apartment and my actions would be my bond, even if she trusted me enough to share a bed.

She hopped into bed and I went to shower and by the time I came out she was fast asleep snuggled under the covers.  I crept in via the other side of the bed and dozed off slowly thinking about what might lay ahead.

In the morning I could see she was going to sleep for a long time so I got up and ready and headed off down to the shops with my trusty phrase book in hand.  I hadn’t yet had time to stock the fridge and thought it would be a nice touch to cook her breakfast and start a leisurely day in a leisurely fashion.

It was cold outside, very cold, and my adventure at the shops was truly that!

Mental note: 
Phrase books are useless because they use words that apparently don’t even exist in the Russian language.

I had a fun time trying to explain to the lady behind the counter that I needed eggs.  The pronunciation in the book wasn’t helping so I tried hand actions to demonstrate breaking an egg into a bowl.

Showing the shape and size of an imaginary egg, holding it in my right hand and cracking it on the side of an imaginary bowl wasn’t helping.

I know… Miming! 

Pull on right ear lobe and point to leg…  You know, sounds like leg.

Nope, no good!

What else could I try???  I was desperate as I tucked my hands under my armpits and started making chicken wing flapping movements much to the delight of more than 3 women behind the counter and several of the customers.

Flap flap…  crack and egg in a bowl.  They were laughing but trying to understand what I wanted when one woman pointed at some smoked chicken in the window.

We were getting nowhere fast when I turned to my left and saw a young guy of maybe 25 with a puzzled frown on his face, repeating my flapping wing routine as he tried to work out what I wanted. 

He asked for the phrase book and I showed him the English word and the phonetic pronunciation described therein.

He didn’t get it until I tried the word again a few times and finally he said “AHHHHH,  [RUSSIAN WORD FOR EGG]!”

The poor women behind the counter squealed in exasperation as they explained to him they don’t see eggs and he’d have to tell me where I could find them.

The problem we all shared was that we didn’t share a language. Off we go (my new found wing flapping friend and I) along the street and around a corner where he told the woman behind the new counter what I wanted.

We were all happy… I found eggs,  he’d done his good deed for the day and everyone had a good laugh.

After I had my eggs I went back to the original store to find some bread, butter, bacon, tomato’s and juice.  I didn’t exactly understanding everything that I’d bought but ultimately I was able to get back to the apartment and ready to cook all before my friend had woken from her sleep.

Once up she was very impressed I was able to go to the market and buy the groceries but being the natural born hunter that I am, I never doubted that I could bring home the bacon.

Well, I didn’t quite find bacon but I did find other smoked pork products that substituted quite nicely.

While she showered and came to life I set the table and cooked our breakfast.  It was a great achievement even if it was such a small thing and a lovely way to start the day.

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Re: Kuna's Ukraine Trip Report
« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2007, 06:17:03 PM »
Today we had snow, and lots of it!

On our agenda for the day was making our way around the centre of the city without too much fanfare but with ample opportunity to see each other in real life.  We’d had a little snow overnight but not enough to slow us down but as the day progressed more fell in phases that forced us inside to the warmth only available in shopping malls and tropical islands.  There were no tropical islands around so the shopping malls had the pleasure of our company and once warm again we headed back out.

In the late afternoon the snow really fell and we shared some very special moments in a place that I have to think would be hard to match.

Kiev has some genuine beauty to its architecture but add snow and the hope of two internet strangers and some very poignant moments were born.

We were very comfortable with each other and I don’t think either of us had under or over estimated the potential friendship/relationship that might lie ahead.

I knew she had to return to her home the following evening but she wanted to change her booking to get the express train home instead of the overnight service.

We went to the train station and stood in line only to be told we could go to any other counter except the one we were in.

Some may have been frustrated at this but we just laughed because I think we’d both guessed that small adventures like this would be good barometers to each others personalities.

That evening we didn’t want to go out for dinner but instead we ate some fruit, drank tea, talked and exposed our thoughts for criticism or blessing, whichever may come.

It was a very pleasant evening that I wouldn’t have wanted to share with anyone else.

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« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2007, 06:17:56 PM »
Departure Day

Today we knew she had to return to Dnepropetrovsk and we knew I couldn’t make it down there.  It was sad that our short time together was quickly coming to a close but for me it was a great relief that I wasn’t fantasizing about the connect we’d felt in email and on the phone.

We spent the morning talking, eating and drinking tea.  Later in the day we went for a walk to see the Dnepro River.

Back to the shopping centre for some warmth

Ultimately we’d come to some decisions but those may change or may be realized at a later date.

We want to spend more time to get to know each other and while there are no promises of a “big decision” or a “big future” we’ve both recognised there might be something there.

She’s cheeky and fun.  She’s the sort of girl that could ground me when my work and my life get too serious.  Her requests of me are quite simple and her beliefs and desires are well founded.

I think she suspects I’ll be meeting others here but she never raised it.  I’d intended on telling her but instead I said there could be no promises but I was more than happy we’d finally met and if we both choose we want more then we can start to take some steps to get to know each other better.

If the rest of my trip falls in a screaming heap I’ll be very happy because I’d have achieved what I wanted to.

I don’t think it will fall in a heap because I’ve got other strong virtual connections to explore and possibly the hardest decision I might ever make will lie just weeks ahead of me.

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Re: Kuna's Ukraine Trip Report
« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2007, 06:22:24 PM »
A New Twist in the Road

A second girl from Dnepropetrovsk who writes back sporadically emailed me tonight saying she realizes I would have now left Australia but if it’s possible she would like to meet.

She explained her absence and expressed the kind of thinking and feeling I could appreciate so I’ve offered some options and we’ll see what happens.

My friend who I’ve just shared some days with is a spectacular person and I’m sure that if we don’t end up together she’ll find the man to fulfill her dreams.  I say this because she’s obviously thought through the process in detail and she knows what she wants.  She seems stubborn about her goals but she remains flexible to enhancements but not changes.

I respect her for many reasons but I know I have a trip plan to fulfill and stopping now may be stopping short.

Hopefully I’ll bomb with all the others and there will be no decision to make.

If there is one I will try to maintain my integrity and stay focused on my own future goals.

Right now this is my dream but if all works out there will be an addition, and we’ll have to call it our dream.

Tomorrow I’ll call my newly appeared friend from the south and if a meeting is possible we’ll do that.  Later in the week I’m scheduled to go out of town to meet another girl I’m expecting to realize another strong connection with.

I had planned a “Plan B” but I don’t feel like I need it.  Maybe I’ll let the week unravel and see where it takes me.

I have many thoughts and observations, both positive and negative, of the process I’ve chosen so far but I’m not sure if this is the place to add it.

I’ll have a think over the next few weeks and by the time I return home I’ll hope to be able to tie up all of my thoughts and share some of them.

I’ve included some photos but will admit to being a little uncomfortable doing so.  I might leave them here or I may remove them.  I think there’s some value there if you believe pictures are worth a thousand words.

[Photos have been removed for the sake of discretion]   ;)
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Re: Kuna's Ukraine Trip Report
« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2007, 06:46:32 PM »
Don't tell us your REAL name is Olya >:(. And by the way, where were you on January 27th ;D?
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« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2007, 06:48:53 PM »
 Thanks for the pics Kuna, even if they are short lived. She is a cutie! Nice job  :D

 It's funny, I was going to tell you to take the short walk to that little amusement park, and the spectacular view of The Dnepro, but I see from Your pics you made it there. Looks MUCH different in winter!  Here is a pic I took from the same location in summer.

 

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« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2007, 06:52:53 PM »
Don't tell us your REAL name is Olya >:(. And by the way, where were you on January 27th ;D?

HAHAHA... nope.. neither of us is named Olya! 

Ummmm... Jan 27 was Kiev... Yup... Kiev!

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Re: Kuna's Ukraine Trip Report
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2007, 09:47:01 PM »
Kuna,

I am impressed in many ways, particularly with Ms. Dneproetrovsk.  Besides being really good  looking, I sense a bubbly personality plus a high level of neuron activity in her cranium.  She has a sweet character to have made you feel comfortable about the unstated obvious – namely, your other dates.

Those are very happy photos.  You are having a good time.  So much so that you failed to mention your genealogy investigations (hope I spelled that correctly   ;) ;) ;)).

The coffee shop I visited was two story and not far from Mickey D’s.  Their cap should have been good, but all I ever had was triple Ethiopian espresso (several times).  Americans and Ozzies may have different tastes, and if so, so be it.

I am trying to identify your competitive sports.  Weight lifting and perhaps a little boxing, maybe wrestling?   Nothing with a ball.  Do not get too feisty around UM, they enjoy boxing very much.

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« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2007, 10:42:04 PM »
Here's my $99.95 opinion free of charge. Based on the photos, Ms. D is into you bigtime Kuna! The fact that she ask you lots of questions is very good. She is sizing you up to be her mate.
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« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2007, 11:28:37 PM »
Kuna,

Good TR thus far, I am glad to hear that your first experience in the FSU is going well!  Looking forward to hearing how it ends...

Best to all,

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« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2007, 02:27:34 AM »
The photo IMG_0633.jpg is really great... do you have always so mimic when a cute woman kiss you  ;D ;D ;D

Hmmm... are you always seeking info about your origine or are you only busy try to find a partner for start a a new genealogic line  ;D

Seem that you enjoy your trip, it is the more important...

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« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2007, 02:54:59 AM »
OK... just to answer a few things...

1. I admit over the past few days I've totally forgotten to pursue the family heritage thing in Kiev but I've allowed a few days to struggle within the Archive office later in the week.

2. Gator,  yep...  you got it!   ;)

3. Must find that coffee shop...  The one we were in yesterday must be a chain because I saw some in Riga too.  Coffee there was terrible... like Starbucks. Get's the job done but generally tasteless.  :(

4. Thanks BillyB.  Yeah, we have an immediate and strong connection.  It's funny, after reading so many horror stories about trips etc I almost expected it to collapse in a heap as soon as she stepped off the train.  It didn't.

5. Avi8or...  Hmmm... I've been thinking about the ending though I suspect this trip will just be the beginning.  I've got a few more meetings to go on this trip and still have 12 or 13 days to go.  In a way I'm glad I met Ms D first but the temptation to head south is strong.

6. Bruno...  There's a funny story behind the minutes before that picture.  Our connection was strong on several levels  ;D and while we were taking those photos she would say "Kiss me", "I'll kiss you".  There was rasberry blowing on cheeks and lots of laughter.  There's even a short little video of her giggling and wrestling during one rasberry blowing sessions. Very cute and very irresistible!



OK... question for those of you who are more experienced.

Are there any catches with the word "remarkable" in the way she would use it?  :-\

The words "family", "serious", "real man", etc have different meanings...  I'm guessing remarkable is as it should be taken but thought I should check.

Kuna

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« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2007, 03:41:25 AM »
We were having an incredibly mild winter here until about the time you stepped off the plane.  Too bad for you because up until maybe three days ago I was still seeing miniskirts on the street.  Sounds like your preparations have paid off and your trip is a success.  I met my wife in Kiev for a few days on my second trip here and also have some great memories of the place, but my heart's in Crimea.  If you get a chance, you need to come this way.

I could relate to your experience trying to buy eggs.  The people at the local market used to groan and roll their eyes when I would first come there alone because they knew they were in for a long game of charades and pointing.  Just be glad you weren't trying to buy some kalbasa.  That pantomime might have gotten you arrested or at least slapped.

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« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2007, 05:24:43 AM »
Repriza was voted the best cafe in Kiev by Kiev Post readers last year.
Coffee House and Kafka are popular places for Coffee.
I think food is better at the other Irish pub: Golden Gate and Eric's Pub on Red army street has decent atmosphere.
I would recommend that you get yourself invited to one of your friends mothers for dinner. Authentic Ukrainian food is quite a experience.

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« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2007, 06:41:28 AM »
Nice update, Kuna!

I think you had great chemistry with your first lady.  Too bad this is your first trip....normally I would recommend that you ditch the rest of your schedule and spend all the time with this girl.  But in your case, you do need to be able to make comparisons with other FSU girls, so I think you should proceed with your schedule.

Good luck, mate!

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Must find that coffee shop...  The one we were in yesterday must be a chain because I saw some in Riga too.  Coffee there was terrible... like Starbucks. Get's the job done but generally tasteless.  :(

Man, you think Starbucks is tasteless?  They have coffee from all around the world, and many are too robust even for my taste...What kind of booze have you been drinking down under that killed all your tastebuds?
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