Scam Sites Policy re: Addition of Girl's Profiles to Blacklist

[Admin]

Hey Folks - this is the first of several polls to gather information about what you guys think are reasonable policies for Scam Site Black Lists.

This one addresses the question of ADDITION of a girl's profile to a Black List. What do you think are appropriate guidelines for deciding to list someone on a Black List?

- Dan

[Bruno]

Dan, what do you call "Verifiable Complaints" ?

[Shadow]

To make a blacklist that does meet high standards is not easy. Whatever criteria used can be countered.
So here is my personal opinion.
1. Traditional scammer :Being in posession of at least one verifiable clear scam report.
This report should include money request, full e-maill headers and full correspondence leading up to the money request. If this report shows the characteristics of form letters and a well-known modus operandi, it is enough.
Note: the pictures of such a scammer should always have a disclaimer that there is a high probability the person in the picture is not the scammer.

2. Ghostwriter-scam: Being in posession of at least two verifiable reports.
Ghostwriter is when an agency writes letters on behalf of the women, and breaks off relations right before a visit.
In such cases the agency should be blacklisted, not the women.

3. Pro-dater:Being in posession of at least three verifiable unclear reports.
In case of pro-daters one report is not enough. It takes multiple reports that describe the same way of working to be clear a person is pro-dating and not just having bad luck in meeting men.

[Bruno]

3. Pro-dater:Being in posession of at least three verifiable unclear reports.
In case of pro-daters one report is not enough. It takes multiple reports that describe the same way of working to be clear a person is pro-dating and not just having bad luck in meeting men.

So, in a reverse case, if a men meet 3 or more ladies, he is a pro-dater too 

I think that a woman have the right to be difficult in the choice of her life partner... specialy when you see all loser who visit the FSU...

1. Traditional scammer :Being in posession of at least one verifiable clear scam report.
This report should include money request, full e-maill headers and full correspondence leading up to the money request.

Hmmm, who will prove that the man send ALL correspondance... i have know the case of a lady accused to be a scammer since she have ask some financial help to the guy... the guy have send me the e-mail where she ask 50$... but since she was on my site, i have contact her... and she have forward everything to me... in the begin, she was writing two time week from internet club... the guy have ask her to write every day... mother of two child, alone and with low income, she have refuse to spend so much money for the internet... the guy have propose her to help... she have ask 50$... they have continue to communicate during two month... during these two month, the guy have begin send sexual explicite letter... the women have stop write him... he have try to list her in several scam list...

Before put a woman on a scam list, evidence showed by man is not enough... women need to have the opportunity to defend herself... in so case, the more simple method is to contact the lady and ask more info... in case that the story show that the man is guilty of false accusation, himself need to be listed on the scam site...

EDIT : i have vote "other"... these post explain why ! Too much difficult to see who is really a scammer or not... specialy with the actual method used where only men is accusing, with women not knowing it ( some antiscam site block IP from FSU so ladies never know they are listed, never know why and have not the opportunity to defend themself )

All these black list have no real use... professional scammer change from identity when they wish... too much non guilty listed... a god antiscam site need only one page where they wrote :
"never send money before you know ( visit ) a woman... and if you choice to send money, it is at your own risk since we have warm you !"

[Shadow]

So, in a reverse case, if a men meet 3 or more ladies, he is a pro-dater too 

I think that a woman have the right to be difficult in the choice of her life partner... specialy when you see all loser who visit the FSU...

I am not talking about 3 reports of a woman meeting a man, but 3 reports that show her taking advantage of the men, like making them buy expensive gifts, deals with taxi drivers, interpreters and such.

Hmmm, who will prove that the man send ALL correspondance...

As said in the other topic, if the report turns out to be falsified, the reporter should be blacklisted.
Also the 1 report is in case of the clear case, like the visa-and ticket scam. What you call would already be  2-report case at least, and your idea of contacting the woman is case of any doubt is certainly one of the things a ood blacklist site should do before blacklisting.

[Patrick]

This is one poll that I will be active in. I have been around for sometime and have made my share of trips to many countries and have even had a so called scam  put on me two times and lived to tell about it. When I look back at one of the scam's I did it to myself by sending money trying to be the white night, if nothing else it made me feel good about helping someone who at the time needed help.

   A few weeks Maxx made a comment about a man here that was writing to a woman or so he thought. It turned out that it was the woman's mother who offered $10,000 to marry her  daughter and get her and the children to the US. Was this a scam ? The offer was not made until the the man was in country , money and time spent. Emotions and feelings had started so what do we call this ? Oh, BTW. A refund was offered for the price of the ticket by the mother. To me that was a business deal that just did not work out. The man was in country, he was in a great hotel, saw the lady everyday, had a great time and just happen to be bright enough to add 2+2 and it did not add up to 4. That is a trip report for another day.

 Pro-daters. I have no problem with that. Most of the women who do that let you know what they are, all you have to do is read what they are writing and saying to you. Like Bruno asked , do we have pro-daters here on this site ?
  Thanks for your time, how this will help to make  policies I have no idea.

[viking]

Define Scammer. A woman (person) who requests money?  Or one who actually receives money, UNDER FRAUDALENT REASONS.
Since most men who are scammed will NOT post their experiences, due to being embarressed, just wanting to put the whole thing behind them, cannnot find the time to go through the process of accumulationg all the data (letters with headers, WU receipts, etc), sometimes even only one instance should be enough to make a black list. If that one guy can show the money letter, and a receipt then this womans pofile should be posted.A second posting is the nail in the coffin. Have we not heard a thousand times an honest woman will never ask for money?

In my personal experience, I met a woman in person. (Pro-dater) The letters came later. I did all the searches. Nothing. Why.? She was using an alias. When I found her PHOTO ( and purely by accident) and confronted her, she used an excuse that the ONLY profile listed was from a vindictive man, it was over 3 years old and nothing else was ever posted. By then some damage was already done. Later did I find 5 others who were scammed but never posted a thing under her real name or alias. Had they done anything, It would have saved me a lot. How do you combat this?

I have seen some sites that have both a grey and black list. One complaint puts the woman into the grey list as a warning to be careful. Perhaps here she has a chance of rebuttal with her own letters from the guy? Second complaint and she is blacklisted. The other thing I have found interesting is the cross referencing of several names with different photos. Takes time but very helpful.