Argument between my friend and me

[Turboguy]

Yes, Bruno, Parts 1 & 2 seem very interesting and seem to portray a very realistic set of stories about this process and some of the things that happen.   I will be looking forward to seeing the other parts to see how these guys & gals make out.   I will be real surpised if the first guy keeps his gal. 

[Bruno]

I just watched part 1, everything is working fine.

part 3 :

part 4 is uploading ( very slowly )

I have never seen this documentary, what year was it made?

It was show at TV last year... i have put it on torrent a few day after but with time, the torrent was dead...

So far I have seen the total loser Dave in his shabby apartment with the fiance the same age as his daughter...hmmm I wonder how that one will turn out? 

Yep, he is a looser... for the end, watch the remaining part...

I was surprised by the second guy though, also named David (common name for RW chasers I guess, it's my name too) he is 46, been married has a couple of kids, seems normal, nice looking guy, but then he goes and proposes to a girl after the 4th day together, what the ?  I just don't understand that type mentality, especially from a normal man who has experience with women.

Don't judge David too much fast... a lot of difficulty on his way to hapiness... propose fast... girl accept but need agrement and meeting with parents... i put him in the categorie of almost normal guys... maybe a little "cheap" ( girl pay her trip )... but he can be a good potential husband...

Ok, I'm going to watch part 2 now, please post the rest Bruno, I'm bored at work today, this will help pass some time 

The last one, Rod is not a looser... but meet 300 girls in 10 days and return empty hand... it simply show that big social don't allays give the miracle result...

The only back side of so documentair is that it only show the black side of the process... never see something about relation who are 100% successfull and where both partner are fully normal... good story don't bring $$$ to the producer... people who see so programme associate all the western men seeking a foreign bride to the personage of the documentair... and it is why we have a very bad reputation...

[Makkin]

Hello,

  These videos are interesting and I look forward to part four to experience the conclusion of sorts.
  Thanks for posting the links Bruno.

Makkin

[viking]

I wonder if say 9 out of 10 men who go over are jerks and the number 10 man is a good guy, will the woman say "look at this good guy, what a find" or do they say "well another american jerk" and blow him off like the rest. Do they look at each guy as an individual or clump everyone together?

[jinx13]

The last one, Rod is not a looser... but meet 300 girls in 10 days and return empty hand... it simply show that big social don't allays give the miracle result...

 I know this is the wrong place to be talking about this documentary, but whatever, here we are.... Rod may not be a loser, but he has issues. He said he hasn't been in love since high school and he is 58, seems a little strange. The deer heads all over the house are a bit creepy too, I understand hunter types like to show off a prize buck or whatever, but this guy has a house full of heads..weird.

 Where's part 4?, don't leave us hangin Bruno!

[prince_alfie]

Well P. A. (aka Return to Sender), between the two boards do you have enough information now to do something real to warn this girl? Or are you still being "brutally optimistic" about her future with your friend?

 No matter what kind of naive spin you put on this I truly hope that you will catch a single tiny clue regarding your responsibility in this.

 I doubt it will and I doubt that you will do anything more than hang more noodles on RWD ears. What a waste and a shame this is. Maybe it is SNAFU in your world. I hardly think it is in hers.

Ken

Kvinna has already contacted me on this issue. It will be rather helpful. No luck reaching my friend yet. I suspect he could have left his cell phone in his apartment.

[Makkin]

Hello,

  I believe he stated his age at 51. Makes no big difference but he had me wondering why he would buy that girl a phone on a first date?

  All three are associated with alcohol as One drinks heavily as stated by the girlfriend and another has shots of Tequilla at what looks like a rapid pace and the third works at a bar as a bouncer.

  I suppose it would have been proper to purchase a bed for the girl and himself as well as cleaning up the flat for her arrival? He seems like a nice fellow (older Englisman) but he is not too prepared for impressing her with the basics of cleanliness and a bed?

Makkin

[Bruno]

Where's part 4?, don't leave us hangin Bruno!

part 4 :

[Makkin]

Hello,

  Yep...That was conclusion that was coming it seemed. Thanks again for putting the link up again.

Makkin

[jinx13]

 Thanks Bruno,

 That was very interesting, I even felt bad for Dave at the end, not such a bad guy, just kind of clueless, his house was a total wreck. I can't say that girl was really out of his league, even if she was much younger she was not attractive at all, probably has a very hard time dating in Russia.

 David seemed very nonchalant about everything for a guy going on his third marriage, he didn't seem to take much of it seriously, even when speaking with the parents it was more like a chore, he put forth very little effort. His wife Luda has some beautiful sisters, good genes in that family!

 As for Rod, I just don't get these guys that throw thousands of dollars at these tour operators, what a waste of time and money, at least he got a hand job out of it, but thats not what most of us are looking for...he went home alone to his deer heads...sad 

[Turboguy]

Yes, I thought it was interesting as well.   I thought for 3 experiences it portrayed things pretty well.   Another 15 or so and you could get a true prospective of everything.

I think with Dave he felt it was her not liking England.  I think her expectations of England were a little over blown but I can picture any woman being too thrilled with the living conditions and she sure did not like his drinking.   I have to agree that despite the age difference the seemed like a decently well matched couple.  I am glad she has found another man and hope it works out better.  She does not seem to have much hesitation with having men send her money.

As far as David the story left off with a happy ending.  I really question how long that one will last.  I think Luda has read a few too many romance novels and really seems to have tried hard to make it work.  I hope her dreams come true but David seems like someone who may be a little less desirable than he seems on the surface.   First the three marriages, second working as a bouncer in a bar, letting her pay for so much stuff, wanting her to work in a bar. 

Rod to me seems to be the best catch of the group except he also seems to drink a lot.   I thought the portrayal of the social scene was pretty realistic.   In saying that I will add that I have attended socials in the same city and same hotel he did.   Actually I think his outcome is pretty typical just often they go home thinking they have had success.   I agree with Jinx it is amazing that guys keep throwing away the big bucks on the tours but some of the reason is they just don't know better.  I have done it myself and had to learn the hard and expensive way that it is not the way to go.  Rod needs to find his way to RWD.

[viking]

Thanks Bruno. I enjoyed it.

I agree with most of the comments here. Rod seemed to have his head screwed on somewhat straight. He was  looking for a wife not a whore. That woman who found herself a better offer saved him some grief. I wish him luck. The first Dave was a bit of a loser. Way too much drinking, never even bothered to fix his place up. What a trash bin, sleeping on the floor,  and there seemed to be no romance at all taking place. The second Dave? Cannot fault him for having 2 previous marriages as we dont know why they failed. But  if I was going to met her parents and knew they did not speak english, the twerp would have been there day one. And no gifts for the family? And she had to pay for her expenses? Sorry, that is so wrong. Although the show portrays a somewhat happy ending for them as the visa was granted, we never see them again together on the UK. So I think all bets are off.

[Bruno]

And now, for these who have see the video...

Can you imagine the situation if one of the personage was the friend of Alfie... All the guys in the video were with problem but they are minor when compare to the Alfie's friend problems...

[jinx13]

 Way to bring things back "on topic" Bruno   

 There is another interesting American version of this same type of documentery, I have seen it on the Discovery Channel a few times, any chance you can find that one and post it here Bruno? I only ask you because you are so good at this stuff, if I tried I wouldn't have the slightest idea how to do it.  ???

[TwoBitBandit]

God, Dave is a loser with a capital L.  That flat of his looked like hurricane Katrina ran through it.  How exactly did he think she would react to that?  The trash, the hole in the ceiling, the putrid green walls.  No wonder why he landed in the FSU.  And he thought she was leaving because she didn't like England?  OK, where is my clue bat...?

The other two guys weren't that bad.  David was fairly polished, but there were some things about his decision-making that were just odd.  Why did he propose after such a short period of time?  And didn't he want to meet her family before he proposed?  Any why didn't he bring an interpreter with him when he had dinner with the family the first time?  It's such a delicate situation, why take the risk?  Buying professional services (like interpreters) is dirt cheap in Russia.  Some things don't quite line up, like why is he still working as a bouncer in his forties?

Rod seemed OK, and seemed to have a high but still reasonble expectation (like using the matchmaker's rule of divide-by-two-and-add-seven).  Some guys would have just married the RW that gave him the hand job, at least he's capable of thinking with his big head.  Hopefully he learned something and won't repeat the same mistakes again.  I saw him make a few mistakes early in my search that I also made.  I learned, I hope he did too.  I agree that the deer heads on the wall was a little odd, but at least his house was nice and well-maintained.  (I'm sure if he finds an RW, those heads will be the first thing to go!  )

Thanks for posting this Bruno, it was interesting.

[jinx13]

 Bruno,

 I guess I could post a link too, I'm not that computer illiterate, but I'm having trouble tracking down that documentary, maybe you guys can help me remember the name?

 It was all Amercian men, one guy was dating a woman from St. Pete, she had two kids, a boy and a girl. The guy was much older than the woman, he proposed and she said yes, but never moved to him, but he still supported her.

 Another guy was younger, maybe late 30's early 40's, Mike was his name, he found and married a young girl with dark hair, they had language problems, but other than that a pretty good relationship, he called her "princess"

 Next was a couple already married for many years, they lived in Southern California, 3 kids I think, she was much younger than him, she loved her life here, and spent time painting and being a mom.

 The other story was about a single mother living in Moscow, she wasn't about to settle for a "strange foreigner" that never married, she made a good living and didn't understand these women that marry older men and leave their country.

 Ok, thats what I remember, and I saw it on Discovery, or Discovery Health Channel. Anybody else see it? Would be great if we could post it here for all to see like Bruno did with the U.K. version. 

[Jet]

I guess that Eric just cuts it barely. But no adjustment for where they live in the US?

Yeah, he needs to make even more if living in Alaska or Hawaii.

Alfie I plodded  through this whole thread from start to finish and I wholeheartedly agree that

• You have a moral obligation to keep your "buddy" from destroying this woman's life
• Nobody "deserves" a shot at international dating, least of all your pal
• You should work REAL hard at finding a better class of friends

Sorry dude but you are one of the rare examples I've seen of someone who is actually regressing rather than progressing over time.
It is refreshing to hear that if you make the trip at all, it may be several years before you head out, cuz you ain't even CLOSE to ready now.

[LEGAL]

Dave is one of two prevalent  types of men in Russia.
This is type of infantile alcoholic man . He needs wife-nurse or wife-mother. He can not handle his problem - weakness for drinks, he listens to all  reproaches of wife and does not contradict her. He looks in wife's eyes guiltily, weeps  and promises to  turn over a new leaf and does all what his wife says. If she says nothing he does nothing. He again goes to cafe or to meet friends after work to  "philosophize" about life drinking beer or vodka and then again weeps and promises. 

One Russian woman continue to live with infantile alcoholic man  out of pity for him trying to set him on the right path. Another Russian woman can not bear and  resigns her position of mother Teresa.

Olga.

[Bruno]

Way to bring things back "on topic" Bruno   

If i have upload and post these video, it is because i think that it is related to the topic...

Eric ( friend of Alphie ) have thing in common with two of the video personage... the first one is a loser with a home who is not ready for his bride... Eric is similar with his home shared with friend... the second guy is greedy ( the girl pay the trip and hotel during the marriage ), propose very fast.... Eric propose fast too... why ? Because he is short in money and wish cut in the expense... For the last guy, Rod, not really similar to Eric, he is clueless but not a idiot...

[Rvrwind]

I have no idea but he does want to get married as soon as possible. I think that one of his ultimate goals is to reproduce and continue his family lineage.

Please tell him not to reproduce, there are enough idiots in the world now & judging by this guy who is running for the crown his offspring should fit right into that group!!!
Give me a break, too many idiots & not enough ammo!!!!

[I/O]

Give me a break, too many idiots & not enough ammo!!!!

ROFLMAO  Too true to be funny in some ways...!!!


I/O

[prince_alfie]

Please tell him not to reproduce, there are enough idiots in the world now & judging by this guy who is running for the crown his offspring should fit right into that group!!!
Give me a break, too many idiots & not enough ammo!!!!

My friend and I had already talked about this and he is extremely intent on achieving this goal. (Perhaps read too many  sci fi books?) He wants to start a new clan of his genetic structure because he says that he must continue the moravingian bloodline (direct descendant of Christ a la Dan Brown) or something to that effect. I guess that you can't persuade a stubborn mule to move.

[Admin]

My friend and I had already talked about this and he is extremely intent on achieving this goal. (Perhaps read too many  sci fi books?) He wants to start a new clan of his genetic structure because he says that he must continue the moravingian bloodline (direct descendant of Christ a la Dan Brown) or something to that effect. I guess that you can't persuade a stubborn mule to move.

P_A,

This is starting to sound sufficiently bizarre that it/he possibly needs professional help. As he cannot receive that here - and certainly not through proxy (you acting as intermediary), it seems time for this particular 'issue' to die.

- Dan

[Bruno]

My friend and I had already talked about this and he is extremely intent on achieving this goal.

Advice from a gardener :

Make some thee from blue passion flower (Passiflora caerulea) and give it to him... These plant have a isoflavone ( Chrysin ) blocking the aromatase enzyme... these enzyme is needed for convert Testosterone in Estrogen... Perfect natural castration...

[Kuna]

My friend and I had already talked about this and he is extremely intent on achieving this goal. (Perhaps read too many  sci fi books?) He wants to start a new clan of his genetic structure because he says that he must continue the moravingian bloodline (direct descendant of Christ a la Dan Brown) or something to that effect. I guess that you can't persuade a stubborn mule to move.

Bizzare is definitely the word for this. All I want to hear is that Alfie does the right thing and this girl hears the truth before she is subjected to this idiot on his home soil.

Alfie, I trust that you will correct your wrongs AND give up the amateur matchmaking.  You're judgement is poor to say the least!

Kuna