For The New Guys.

[Kuna]

From Kuna:
vwrw, I'll also be very interested to read your response!

Kuna, what I know surely ALL do not exist. There are you, I, my Turbo, Gator, JB, I/O…and much more people who are involved in international relationships. To answer how many are there women or men who are worthy of marriage I need to interview each of them BUT even in this case if I state the percentage of marriage’s worthy people in both group I would be mistaken because people have different preferences and who I consider worthy of marriage one maybe she is not for worthy of marriage you.
I smile to myself when I/O says that observations (obviously, the observations are taken around the major airports arrival halls) suggest to him that a higher percentage of the women involved in this pursuit are worthy than the percentage of men.
Personally for me it is not enough to observe people only I need to communicate with them to understand who worthy of marriage. 

vwrw,

During my trip I met two different types of western men:

- Men traveling to Ukraine to marry a woman, and;
- Ex-pats who were working in Ukraine and not as highly motivated to marry.

Out of the half dozen men in the first group I can honestly say that all but one had questionable characters.  They didn't seem like bad men, but they had poor dating success at home, poor physical presentation, too heavily involved in fantasy not reality or they were men who simply had NO IDEA about the risks involved. That's 5 out of 6 who were in my opinion not well prepared.

Out of the ex-pats I met I'd think that they all will find a marry a Ukrainian woman at some time in the future, BUT they had cautionary words to share on the character of many of the women they know. They were infinitely more skeptical than the men travelling there FOR marriage and some of the cuationary words were quite scathing.

I think that those who can't afford the time on the ground (or the financial cost) will probably rush and are at extreme risk of a failed marriage.  Those that take their time will better understand their future partner and therefore will incur a reduced risk.

How much time is enough time?  I think it depends on each individual circumstance but  I think knowing the character of the person you're intending to marry is the vital thing, and that doesn't happen overnight!

The thing that is STILL heavily on my mind is... How can I be sure that I'm not one of those tied up in the fantasy (romanticising the concept of marrying a UW)?  Perhaps the only way to be sure is by spending more time with "my girl" and therefore knowing her better... but I'm still searching for the ability to understand UW as well as I understand Western men.


Turbo,

I'm surprised you say that "most guys aren't losers".  I'm not sure what "the average man" in your community is like but I was astounded at the low quality of men I saw (and met) while in Ukraine.  Maybe I was bumping into the wrong men but even comparing them to the ex-pats I met gave a stark contrast.  I think many of them I met would have little or no chance of getting a woman at home and I wonder why they think they can marry a woman from FSU?  Maybe they think an FSU woman is desperate or some sort of lower being.  If FSU women are superior to western women (as we often hear in here) then I'd think that a successful marriage will require a man who is also superior to the average in his own community.

By the way superior doesn't mean money... It means personal character!

Just my thoughts...

Kuna

[Turboguy]

I may have been a little tainted by my last trip where I was around other guys which was Jack's tour.   Jack recruits from the forums so he gets guys about like the ones here.   I would not consider anyone I met on Jack's tour a looser.   Some were good enough that an AW who was a 9 would consider them a catch. 

Yes, I have met a lot of guys over there looking who would fit the description looser but they were basically nice guys and successful to some degree.   It was more a case that the big tour agency's with a little help from scammers and pro daters messed with their heads enough that they were not realistic in what they were seeking.   They were also quite willing to get engaged after a few minutes with a gal with a pretty face and hot body which is not a route to lifetime happiness as we all know.   Perhaps it is just me.  I tend to look for the good in people and not the bad.

[LEGAL]

Russian poet Nikolai Nekrasov wrote in one of his poems about Russian woman, she can stop a galloping horse and she will not be  afraid to enter in the house on fire.
Russian woman says about herself with irony - I'm woman I'm man I'm working horse and I'm  ploughing bullock. Of course Russian woman gets tired with this role.  
When woman says "I would like to meet worthy man" she wants to find a man with whom she can be just woman - loving and thoughtful wife, mother of children,  charming lover, keeper of family hearth; she wants to find a man who will not betray her feelings and with whom  she will not be alarmed for every next day. If she find her "worthy man" she will become a  reliable  support for him at the joy and sorrow of life, at the wealth and poorness, at the  health and  illness.

Olga.

[Kuna]

I understand your point much better now Turbo and I mostly agree.

With regards to men being realistic or unrealistic I think that can be a part of worthiness but only because someone who's too tied up in the fantasty is on a high risk path... and I will naturally try to reduce the risk.

I tend to look for the good in people and not the bad.

I too look for the good in people but we've got to be realistic.  Whenever I meet anyone I assume they are good but events, discussions or interactions will give me an opinion pretty quickly.  If someone's a loser I will make a mental note of it but you'll rarely hear me calling someone a loser.  I also subscribe to the phrase "If you have nothing good to say don't say anything at all"... but then again we should also be honest in soe situations yeah?

Kuna

[TwoBitBandit]

[...]The bulk of the failures we read about come from the ranks of drop-outs who have never enjoyed successes in life, either in relationships or their business life.

I'm surprised you say that "most guys aren't losers".  I'm not sure what "the average man" in your community is like but I was astounded at the low quality of men I saw (and met) while in Ukraine.  Maybe I was bumping into the wrong men but even comparing them to the ex-pats I met gave a stark contrast.  I think many of them I met would have little or no chance of getting a woman at home and I wonder why they think they can marry a woman from FSU?  Maybe they think an FSU woman is desperate or some sort of lower being.  If FSU women are superior to western women (as we often hear in here) then I'd think that a successful marriage will require a man who is also superior to the average in his own community.

I took a class on interviewing skills once, and I will never forget one thing the instructor said: "The biggest predictor of future success is past success."  Success itself is a skill and a talent, depending on characterstics like looking at your own failures and correcting them, developing relationships with people, planning, etc.  The characteristics that make someone successful at one thing will also make them successful at other things.

I work as a manager in a semiconductor company, and I conduct first interviews with a large number of candidates.  After awhile, they become easy to sort out.  One of the best yardsticks for measuring people is trying to figure out their success level in the past.

Jb, I think that's why your post stood out to me.  You're right to correlate success between various aspects of life.  Guys who are stand-up guys in their community and successfuly professionals or businessmen are much more likely to have success chasing women in the FSU.

I think that those who can't afford the time on the ground (or the financial cost) will probably rush and are at extreme risk of a failed marriage.  Those that take their time will better understand their future partner and therefore will incur a reduced risk.

How much time is enough time?  I think it depends on each individual circumstance but  I think knowing the character of the person you're intending to marry is the vital thing, and that doesn't happen overnight!

The thing that is STILL heavily on my mind is... How can I be sure that I'm not one of those tied up in the fantasy (romanticising the concept of marrying a UW)?  Perhaps the only way to be sure is by spending more time with "my girl" and therefore knowing her better... but I'm still searching for the ability to understand UW as well as I understand Western men.

This is the one thing I absolutely *don't* get about some of these guys.  It is easy to wine and dine a girl, go on trips together, walk holding hands and consequently fall in love.  Each person is on their best behavior.  The true nature of a person is only revealed with time.  How do they react to a financial problem?  A sick parent?  A car accident?  A moral delimma?  Life throws these things as us randomly, and if you're not with the person to see what they do and what choices they make in these situations, you can't get a good feeling about their suitability for a long-term relationship.

How a guy can go propose marriage to a girl he's known for a week just boggles my mind.  He doesn't know  anything about how she reacts to adversity.

[Son of Clyde]

A successful marriage to a RW can be a challenge to say the least.
JB made a long list (and I know I will never measure up according to jb's standards) but I would imagine for some of them it was a struggle and a challenge. Many do not choose to make their marriage problems public knowledge on the board.
No marriage is without problems. I am saying that marriage to a RW is not easy and don't think it will be. These women are incredibly strong willed and it can also be a good thing. Go into it with eyes wide open. BTW, I liked the video and the woman seemed like someone real, not a glamour queen. This is the kind of woman to pursue.

[Kuna]

How a guy can go propose marriage to a girl he's known for a week just boggles my mind.  He doesn't know  anything about how she reacts to adversity.

It's pure desperation, that's what it is!

[catzenmouse]

Just as an FYI:

 The video that started this was filmed in Omsk. When Elena and I started watching it she said right away that it looked like Omsk and when she heard the accent and saw the products on display in the shops she was sure it was Omsk. We went to the site and looked up the Bella lady and sure enough she is from Omsk.

Ken

[timothe]

Just as an FYI:

 The video that started this was filmed in Omsk. When Elena and I started watching it she said right away that it looked like Omsk and when she heard the accent and saw the products on display in the shops she was sure it was Omsk. We went to the site and looked up the Bella lady and sure enough she is from Omsk.

Ken

I was close.  I was going to guess Novosibirsk.  The Catholic Church in the first scene is a dead giveaway.

[Jazzyclassy]

     This is the one thing I absolutely *don't* get about some of these guys.  It is easy to wine and dine a girl, go on trips together, walk holding hands and consequently fall in love.  Each person is on their best behavior.  The true nature of a person is only revealed with time.  How do they react to a financial problem?  A sick parent?  A car accident?  A moral delimma?            

Exactly!

But there are still that category of men who have this prejudice about cheap russian slave wife , they do not care about her personality and character all they think is well she is good looking , nice body , can cook , can do housekeeping and that will do! they do not need any soulmate , any support partner , any friend

they need only good looking piece of furniture , that is why they do not care about knowing this woman better  and how she will react in this or that situation, they just think -Oh she should be so glad that am spending already that sum of money on her, that will be enough , let her appreciate that- then i ll bring her home and she will satisfy all my needs , and she should be thankful anyway for such an attention to her- That is how they think this category of men, very narrowminded and full of such confidence, very superficial, just amazes me

I/O posted a very nice video , I hope  new people will pay attention to it , that is worth thinking of.

  When woman says "I would like to meet worthy man" she wants to find a man with whom she can be just woman - loving and thoughtful wife, mother of children,  charming lover, keeper of family hearth; she wants to find a man who will not betray her feelings and with whom  she will not be alarmed for every next day. If she find her "worthy man" she will become a  reliable  support for him at the joy and sorrow of life, at the wealth and poorness, at the  health and  Illness            

I absolutely agree with this , that is so true , at least that is how I want to be for my boy  

[I/O]

Just as an FYI:

 The video that started this was filmed in Omsk. When Elena and I started watching it she said right away that it looked like Omsk and when she heard the accent and saw the products on display in the shops she was sure it was Omsk. We went to the site and looked up the Bella lady and sure enough she is from Omsk.
Ken

Pretty sharp is these two.....   Gotta say in isn't all that indicative of much of Omsk, IMHO and that appealed to me for this purpose because I thought it would be hard for most to identify.  The little road side shop was the thing that gave it away for me when I first looked at it.  Although it could be anywhere, I can walk you right to that shop.  It sells the most expensive "Choko Pies" in Omsk. There is just one tiny unique thing about that building, but one needs to see many of them before it becomes obvious.  Ken, no it wasn't a bait to see if you would pick up on it.    I honestly didn't think of you when I posted it.

I am surprised others didn't find that video long before.  It was actually sitting in a side window in the videos that Bruno posted and it caught my attention.   It has been most interesting for me to read the married guys comments about the video and I sincerely hope the freshmen read their comments also.  I disagree with only one of the married guys comments thus far regarding the Lady.  Lucky to win her.  Nope..!!  Not Lucky....he will need to be dammed smart and a good deal better than many who will try.  She is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too smart for "Joe Smuck" IMHO.

I/O

[catzenmouse]

Pretty sharp is these two.....   Gotta say in isn't all that indicative of much of Omsk, IMHO and that appealed to me for this purpose because I thought it would be hard for most to identify.

 Think it is the hometown girl just knowing her city!  And you're right it is more indicitave of Russia in general as the same streets, shops, and flats are all over the country.

It has been most interesting for me to read the married guys comments about the video and I sincerely hope the freshmen read their comments also.  I disagree with only one of the married guys comments thus far regarding the Lady.  Lucky to win her.  Nope..!!  Not Lucky....he will need to be dammed smart and a good deal better than many who will try.  She is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too smart for "Joe Smuck" IMHO.

I/O

We both agree with you here. She shows a lot of what the Western man is looking for in the FSU. No dummy here that's for sure.

Elena & Ken

[I/O]

Think it is the hometown girl just knowing her city! 

And...................The local "Accident". Priveeeeeeeeeeeyet is almost unique to SW Siberia.   Even my awful Russian language and understanding thereof  picks up on that.

I/O