Will you meet many women - Part 2

[Albert]

As I noted in the first posting, my procedure has been to merely drop any woman who asked that question. So despite my many experiences with RW, I never followed up with the type of woman who asked these questions. I never really thought about the psychology of what the women were thinking and how they might respond to alternative answers I might send them.

However, in searching to answers about my SMS question, I came across a website of a Ukrainian man who is a professional interpreter working with western men pursuing the FSU ladies. In reading down through his question and answers section , I found his very thoughtful analysis of the women who ask such questions (will you meet many women), and he gave his recommendations.

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I was asked an interesting question by a woman I am corresponding with: "Are you going to meet only me or several women? I want us to be honest from the very beginning" ……

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You know, honesty and women are hardly compatible things. What is more, women do not appreciate honesty on the ground, whatever they say. (Do not believe them either). Words that you say to her matter much more that what you actually do. There is a saying, ''actions speak louder than words'', but if we apply this to women, ''words are more efficient than actions''. In my experience no actions are enough without words, but words alone can help without any actions. This is women, we cannot change them. All we can do is to understand them and act respectively. The only real use that women have for honesty is for manipulating men. So do not buy it. Tell her you are going to meet her only but do have a back-up plan. She will be happy. All she wants to hear is that you are coming to her only. But remember that she may be dating other men and can dump you without the slightest doubt if she finds it suitable.

Yes, I do suggest telling the lies. ""Do not ask silly questions and you will hear no silly answers"". It should be her fault for making you lie, not yours. Why lie? Simple. Women do not appreciate honesty. Strange as it seems it is true, believe me. I am not sure about American women but Ukrainian ones like to hear how much you love her, that she is the only one, lots of this bullshit, etc. I guess that all women are like that. So, if they like to hear the bullshit even if they know that it is bullshit, let them do. Tell her that she is the only one if that is what she wants to hear.

Of course she wants you to meet her only. But, asking you whether you are going to meet other women is actually against unwritten rules. Because if you are smart, you are. But if you answer honestly, she will be put off. If you lie, it is a lie. So she is putting you into a bad position where you lose both ways.

But, you have to be very careful and make sure she does not know anything. On the other hand, you always have to be careful when it comes to women. "Women worry about their future until they get married, men do not worry about their future until they get married"……

There are plenty of gorgeous women here and few earnest American men looking for Ukrainian brides. The math isn't hard to figure who is in demand and who is in command of the situation. And further, no one can know for sure if he only wants to meet one woman until he actually meets that one woman.

In my humble opinion, if I were the girl, I would do my best to make you forget all the other girls on earth, and then she would not even have to ask. But I am logical. As a man. Women's logic is actually NO logic.

So, before she is the only special one for you, do what is best for you, not for her. If she dumps you tomorrow (she can easily do it, refer to the above paragraph!) you will have to start over again. So, meet many and if they ask silly questions, provide them with relevant answers. They will only be happy . I do not imply that women are stupid, this is life.

[Bruce]

Absolutely excellent advice!

[Elen]

No comments:?

(only one note. Don't underestimate female's abbility to feel a lie:? and don't think you can meet here many women who would like that "feeling" Most probably you will deal only with those who would play their own games. And nobody knows who will be a winner)

[Bruno]

I have be honest from the beginning... i have say that i write many women but that with time, i go narrow my choice... and the woman have accept it...

In the begin, i write many, narrow to write only one... and i meet one... and if the alchimy is not working during the meeting, i spring in several local agency and i meet many during the rest of stay...

Since several woman write to a lot of man, and narrow her choice, i don't see problem to make the same...

Be honest is not the problem... it is more how you say it... specialy if you say "i love you" to a woman and i the same time, you say that you write to many... sorry, but i am not able to share my heart between several women... i have never say to Galina that i love her before the first meeting... now, we have plan for the marriage, and maybe during the second meeting next month, i go ask her for marry me... i love her and she love me but some little problem ( his father and religious ) need to be resolved before think to marry...

I don't know how women make it but they feel it if a other woman is in the game... in some way, woman are professional in "lie" and detect it very fast...

 

[Elen]

I don't know how women make it but they feel it if a other woman is in the game... in some way, woman are professional in "lie" and detect it very fast...

 Right.:P  It calls females' intuition.

[KenC]

Maybe it was just the agency I was working with, but none of the women I met through Lifetime Partners, in Tver, even asked if I was going to meet others.  All assumed I would.  Even my now wife never considered it a possiblitiy that I would not meet other women.  We had had a very nice phone relationship prior to my visiting.  I have to admit that the only one uncomfortable with me meeting multiple women, was me.

There was an incident where I had two women in the agency office at one time.  One that I had just finished speaking with and another that actually arrived early for a dinner date.  I admit that I squirmed a little bit.  Neither woman gave it a second thought though.  As a matter of fact, an American man that just happened to be in the office at the same time, quickly asked the first woman to go to join him for dinner too.  As fate would have it, they ended up dinning at the same place as me and my date.  All through dinner, the "other girl" kept going to the powder room and flirting with me behind my date's back.  There seemed to be a great deal of compitition going on.

After a few days of this nonsense, I quit meeting anyone but my future wife.  Even if she was busy, I used my time (and interpreters) for sight seeing.  I thought that the women should have been uncomfortable with my actions, but they were not.  I thought it was insincere on my part, after I knew I had a future with my now wife, and stopped the charade.

KenC

 

[Coulter]

US bias, of course. When you have the possibility to invite the lady to see your place for the first meeting, there is no choice to meet "many" and it is much much better for the lady in any case.

I find it strange that some men are unable to develop a trustful relation before meeting. Unable to speak Russian? Unable to understand one woman? Unable to have a good judgment? Holes in their education?

[Fiorella]

These girls who use marriage agency will not care if you meet many women. Agency staff usually instruct them about all details.

[Fiorella]

One more - every woman who has spent some time in internet dating can recognize this kind of lie in 2 seconds. It is easy. Of course she can make face that "she believe" but she will know the truth. It can work only with very newbie.

[Leslie]

The original advice comes from a Ukrainian man.  Of course he knows that all Ukrainian woman will realize that he is telling lies.....  (maybe except for a teenager or someone very stupid!).

HE EXPECTS THIS.

REMEMBER  UW HAVE BEEN TRAINED BY UM!

Virtually NO Ukrainian man would agree to a demand for an exclusive relationship from a woman he has not met.  The simplest thing is to lie.  If the woman backs off and still agrees to date fine.  The future will tell if a relationship grows.  If however she won't let this issue go - then best to dump the ***** immediately. 

It took me 4 trips to realize that I must act more like a Ukrainian man.  Western men have been turned into pussies by the feminists.  If you treat a UW in the same way as a western woman you will be seen as weak.  It is the first step in her loosing respect for you.  Once she has lost respect for you then you are a "white bird"  Socially it is smart to take advantage of such a stupid person.  It is not seen as wrong in Ukrainian culture.

A lot of sob story posts by western guys start here.....

 

[Bruno]

REMEMBER  UW HAVE BEEN TRAINED BY UM!

Virtually NO Ukrainian man would agree to a demand for an exclusive relationship from a woman he has not met. 

Very true... and after these training, they don't wish anymore a UM... Since several UM don't have exclusive relation with woman, same after marriage... the quality of a man if mesured by how much vodka he can drink and how much maitress he can have...

Remember that UW search the type of man that they cannot find in own country... if they can find a good man in Ukraine, why she begin search a western one... for other quality that us, western man have...

 

[Elen]

The original advice comes from a Ukrainian man.....

REMEMBER  UW HAVE BEEN TRAINED BY UM!

It took me 4 trips to realize that I must act more like a Ukrainian man.

Wonder should UW/RW ask advices from AW how to deal with males who have been trained by AW?

May be then there will be less of sob stories Eastern guls posted at Russian sites
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[2tallbill]

"Are you going to meet only me or several women? I want us to be honest from the very beginning"
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If a woman asks that Question, you have written too many letters. If you are meeting many
For the purpose of finding an excellent candidate for marriage, then you want to sift through
a great many women, convince them to meet you for coffee, tea and maybe cake so that
you can see if you have mutual chemistry.

This is a numbers game at first, not a letter writing/get to know you campaign. Why get to
know each other before you know about the mutual chemistry?

Albert went to the FSU to bed women. He was of the opinion that if he somehow met the
perfect girl then something might develop, but otherwise he was there to insert tab a into
slot b.

If you are going just to date then you will have a different strategy and tactics.

[Donna_Pedro]

As a mother of a young man, I can not help but support the idea to  "do what is best for you, not for her". Just beware that it works both ways. Seriously, I do not think that new generation of girls from Eastern Europe  are any different from those from the  west.

---Wonder should UW/RW ask advices from AW

--- They already have!  Men, however have fallen behind. They still think it is 1960s.


My generation was born and grew up in the USSR. Our culture and mentality was (is) indeed rather  different.  But  girls born during or after perestroika definitely took a leaf out of a AW's book .  Conditions are now mutual. It would take a while for RM|UM to realize it. 

There is one thing though that would definitely [/size]move the odds in AM's men's favor - current [/size]economic and political situation. They want away from Ukraine now and it makes them susceptible to compromise.

[2tallbill]

As a mother of a young man, I can not help but support the idea to  "do what is best for you, not for her". Just beware that it works both ways. Seriously, I do not think that new generation of girls from Eastern Europe  are any different from those from the  west.

---Wonder should UW/RW ask advices from AW
--- They already have!  Men, however have fallen behind. They still think it is 1960s.

My generation was born and grew up in the USSR. Our culture and mentality was (is) indeed rather  different.  But  girls born during or after perestroika definitely took a leaf out of a AW's book .  Conditions are now mutual. It would take a while for RM|UM to realize it.
There is one thing though that would definitely
move the odds in AM's men's favor - current economic and political situation. They want away from Ukraine now and it makes them susceptible to compromise.

No man should pursue a desperate woman. Desperate women tend to act desperately. Once they
are no longer desperate they will return to norm. So a man doesn't want a woman to make any
big compromise to be with him.
He needs to
1. Find a good girl
2. Win her heart

My advice is to avoid agencies, if possible. The purpose of agencies are to make money. They have
very little incentive of a Western man marrying one of their women. They lose a customer (the man)
and they lose a pretty face, to lure more men to spend money.

---Wonder should UW/RW ask advices from AW

--- They already have!  Men, however have fallen behind. They still think it is 1960s.

Western women do not give good advice to men or to women. They are ridiculously jealous of
FSUW or any foreign woman. They totally mischaracterize them as
1. Desperate
2. Naive
3. Uneducated
4. Will take any man (only to rob him as soon as she gets her feet on Western Soil).

Go to YouTube type in Passport Bros. If you want to see what Western Women think of FSUW.

In my next post I will explain the strategy/tactics decisions of visit one vs visit many

[2tallbill]

Will you meet many women - The actual thought process
Most men screw this up this thought process. So I am going to explain it.

Meeting one girl

A Visit One type writes a zillion girls letters sifting through the girls who answer, trying to
get any high potential girl on the Whatsapp or messenger as soon as possible eventually
distilling everything down to one excellent girl and then getting on a plane right away to
meet her. You should NOT fall in love before you meet, you should be hopefully optimistic
but prepared to move on at all times if there is no chemistry or you find a fatal flaw.
(lying, smoking, drug use, Crazy, or having a local husband) are examples of what might
be fatal flaws.

If you visit a woman and it doesn't work out you need to use your backup plan. If you
are a crybaby then your backup plan can be to mope around looking at local tourist crap
and take photos and feel sorry for yourself. My advice is that your backup plan should
be to move to a visit many strategy for the remainder of the trip.

I have been on several visit one trips that didn't work out. I've been heartbroken, but
I went to my backup plan and didn't just give up. Give yourself a pep talk then go after
it. I found my wife using my backup plan!

Visit many girls
This is for guys who would prefer to determine mutual chemistry first before wasting a
lot of time writing letters or makes a great backup plan for a visit one trip that goes bad.
Pick a city with more than 500K people in it and buy a ticket to the city, arrange for an
apartment, a translator, etc. One week before you leave you write ONE zillion girls who
you find attractive and ask them if they would like to meet you for coffee or tea.

Don't mix visit one and visit many tactics!!!!
Don't write a dozen girls several letters and have skype and phone calls for a
visit many trip. This will always blow up in your face. If you have questions ask,
Either myself or one of the others can elaborate further.

5. Do NOT recycle girls if you are writing to Sveta in Sochi and Olga in Omsk
and decide to meet Olga and for whatever reason things don't work out with Olga
then don't go back to Sveta. Why? because Sveta was your number two pick. You
don't want a number two girl you want a number one girl. Sveta doesn't want to
be a number two girl either. You picked Olga for a reason, you didn't choose Sveta
for a reason. You want a number one girl. Don't recycle. Find new girls and start over.

6. If you don't have mutual chemistry with Olga/Sveta or whoever move on This is
NOT Hollywood. She is not going to suddenly realized you were the man she always
wanted. If there is no mutual chemistry on the first date then Dump her forever. Don't
waste your time or her time. If you don't have a date for all day Saturday don't call her!

Never call some girl that you've rejected for any reason. Spend the time writing more letters.
Even if the girl is so hot that you can't look at her without drooling on your shoes, if
there isn't mutual chemistry between you NEVER ASK HER OUT AGAIN!

7. If you find a beautiful girl with whom you have mutual chemistry and she
passes all the first date tests. Then you stop dating others to pursue her exclusively.
Explain to her that you want to spend as much time with her as possible. If she is as
hot about you as you are about her, she will find a way. If she can't find a way then it's
NOT her, dump her and move on.

8. Be ruthless be a gentleman but dump any girl who isn't the future
Mrs______________ (your name here). Don't waste her time AND don't waste your time.
The sooner you get her out of way the sooner both of you can find your future mate.
You are doing her a favor by dumping her and not wasting her time.

9. Don't listen to excuses. if a girl starts making excuses then dump her.
A serious interested girl will find a way and not make excuses. If you need more info
on what I mean then ask so somebody or myself can elaborate further. A serious
good girl will come up with a solution.

10. Get back on a plane to see her again soon It's best if you make plans to
see her again before you even leave. When you leave you are not there! and it's your
job to keep things rolling along. Don't be vague! FSUW don't do vague! Say I am going
to be on a flight to see you on XYZ day and I want you to wear your red dress and black ]
panties so I will be checking the panties. You need to be a man of action! The relationship
is fragile as soon as you leave so make sure she know you are coming back in 2 or 3
months. Call her daily, messenger with her daily, send her sms daily it's your job to romance her
and to seduce her. She wants to be romanced and she wants to be seduced!

LASTLY, FSUW are not for entry level daters. You know who you are. If you are considered
gullible by your friends or are socially shy or inept then it might be best to avoid FSUW
or ask me about a different strategy. 

Udachi!

Bill

[Donna_Pedro]

Western women do not give good advice to men or to women. They are ridiculously jealous of
FSUW or any foreign woman. They totally mischaracterize them as
1. Desperate
2. Naive
3. Uneducated
4. Will take any man (only to rob him as soon as she gets her feet on Western Soil).

Go to YouTube type in Passport Bros. If you want to see what Western Women think of FSUW.

In my next post I will explain the strategy/tactics decisions of visit one vs visit many

Surely not all of them are that narrow-minded!

Some  are independent, confident, well educated. They know their rights and stand their ground. I, personally, have always  looked up to  this type of women.

[krimster2]

No More Samichkee in Lubyanka as Czar's Cars aims for the stars

You are so like the lady with the mystic smile in Lubyanka Square
in the cold dawn of the Meshchansky District
near the moscva metro
where the militsa chased away the samichkee sellers from their traditional 'spot'
and made it samichkee free
shortly before Putin's Limousine exploded
killing the actual Putin, who is now replaced by one of his "stunt doubles" and "AI Putin"

AI Putin sez "The war must go on" "and all sanctions on Russia must end for there to be PEACE IN OUR TIME"

[Donna_Pedro]

No More Samichkee in Lubyanka

You are so like the lady with the mystic smile in Lubyanka Square
in the cold dawn of the Meshchansky District
near the moscva metro
where the militsa chased away the samichkee sellers from their traditional 'spot'
and made it samichkee free
shortly before Putin's Limousine exploded
killing the actual Putin, who is now replaced by one of his "stunt doubles" and "AI Putin"

Have you stopped drinking Cognac in the morning yet?

[krimster2]

I haven't stopped...
but, I also haven't started....
also, not alchohol related...
society likes to label and categorize it's citizens
I'm a paranoid schizophrenic
and Russia was an ideal environment for me
I could REALLY THRIVE there!!!

[2tallbill]

Surely not all of them are that narrow-minded!

Some  are independent, confident, well educated. They know their rights and stand their ground. I, personally, have always  looked up to  this type of women.

All of them? No, not all of them. I was warned by many women who had never traveled outside
the USA about the dangers of Eastern women only wanting a mule to bring them to the USA.
I laughed, as if woman is going to look me in the eyes while I am looking into hers then
convincingly lie that she loves me? 

The media creates all these wacky narratives, like all the men going to the FSU are losers who
could never date a real woman in the USA. There were plenty of losers that headed to Eastern
Europe for sure, I saw them all the time. FSUW have to sort out the losers and misfits just
like Western men need to sort out the cRaZy girls and those with a bad character. 

When an American woman meets Angel Eyes for example, none of them think any bad things
about her. It's the theory that normal American men can go overseas, then find true love that
they can't believe.

The easiest way to find a girl with dubious motivations is for a man to contact women half
his age. They could have daddy issues or maybe they just want to sell your kidney's so
they can buy a new pair of boots. That's the shortest path to find a bad girl. 

That's my opinion