Desperate or not? FSU women

[Photo Guy]

Hi Mila,

How did you find RWD?

Anyway... you have an interesting beautiful face, a similar
vibe - aura to Turbo's VWVR.

Back to the topic- I agree with recent posts by
Groov, Thor, and BC.  BC said 'cunning'.  There are many degrees
of desperation. I'm thinking about women using seduction techniques-
the 'power of the bush', as a tool for their ambitions. I don't think
it's a terrible thing to want to live in a country where most people
buy new clothes rather than previously owned clothing. And if she
wants to start her own business and beleives it would be more
possible in the West, that could motivate her, even to the
point of desperation.  If material goals are more important to her
(and you) than spiritual/loving goals, the relationship will be
tainted and fragile. Beware. If you are desperate, I agree that
it could enable a woman who is similarly desperate.

Again, the idea that there aren't any desperate woman over there
with cute personal ads, seems absurd to me. I think Green Card girls
are desperate and dishonest about their intentions.

[DKMM]

Mila,

I think because he cannot tell the difference between these two:

[Jumper]

mir- a woman with a young child ,regardless her age,,
may often have the childs future in mind and see the west as a better chance for him/her.

it isnt always about a better life for HER..but a better possibilty for her child.
and for the record , i have no issue with that.

just pionting out there is often far more to the equation,,

and also feel that thor is correct..

from my experiences in the FSU i would say aRW with a child would consider marriage to a foreigner much more quickly on average,
(yes a generalization, each individual ios different)

its simply that , in that culture and circumstance ,
they "generally" have fewer options to have a safe happy family
than the same RW that is single without children.

it is not rocket science.
and at its core reflects why there is even a MOB industry?
even though getting better, it is a depressed ecomomy.
in a depressed ecomomy , with hard living situations,
and especially in the FSU culture, another mans  child,  is viewed by a single man often as simply another financial burden
that he wil struglle to bear..
and in that cuklture he certainly has hopes of his own children with her..
it is a complication that hurts her chances tyo remarry far more than in western culture..
it isnt impossible for her to remarry of course!
but will cause issues.

 families in general have far less children in the FSU..
culture and ecomomics are key reasons
you VERY seldom see more than 1 or 2 children to a family.

and it is the only modern culture in the world,
 with a almost shockingly receding population growth..

the reasons for this, should not be lost on men looking there.
 



as far as deperate FSU women,
for those who dont think they exist..

are you sane?

there are extremly desperate women (and men) in the west?
they certainly exist in the FSU.

will the average RW a guy meets jump at the chance to marry him? no.

but yes , if he looked a bit , he could find one that would.
It would not be easy, bu tthen again it would not be all that  difficult.
thats desperation on both thier parts??



as far as desperate WMen?

LOL fat yuri , and quite a few agencies,
 makes a few million a year off just the desperate keyboard romeos?

lets not forget its a whole industry almost entirley based on milking the desperate western man..

the real connections and marriages are the anomolies?
 not the routine.

*shrugs*

[Mila]

Hi Mila,

How did you find RWD?

Anyway... you have an interesting beautiful face, a similar
vibe - aura to Turbo's VWVR.

Hi!
LOL, I guess it is due to my father and her father’s are native brothers. I think the answer how I found RWD is obvious now.

[Jumper]

Mila,

 welcometo RWD ,,

and that's funny!

[Mir]

Mila

I am not saying how old the husband should be and there have been enough discussions about this but that to marry an older man just for economic reasons and to get out of FSU is not a good enough reason.

AJ

Same as above. Some people may think that the answer to all their problems are dollars but I don't feel that is right.
And that is the reason why all FSU women have not listed themselves on marriage agencies asking for a foreign husband so that they can marry and leave FSU.

[Mila]

Desperate women are not a reason for smart and strong men to worry about. Real men, they are somewhat wizards with magic stick. They come in women’s life and women’s desperation does not exist any more.
Certainly, if a man is a weak or he does not know how to treat women and make them laughing or he has other similar problems, then he is not wizard and he needs to stand away from desperate women.
Guys, when you want in toilet for a long time but you cannot find it.  Can you think about spiritual/loving goals then or maybe you can only think about a toilet?
It is the same about women. Most of them can’t think about spiritual/loving goals while their material goals are not achieved. Some else of them can think about spiritual/loving goals while their material goals are not achieved  and Thor has said about them who did so in his posts above...  young, poor girls with children.

[Mir]

Mila

So one should achieve material goals before spiritual ones?

And are you also very goal focused like your cousin?

[BC]

Building a relationship that lasts is as much a practical as emotional matter.  Maybe even more practical is required with fast track relationships.

My feeling is that women first evaluate how practical a relationship could be before investing too much on the emotional side.

Men on the other hand seem to first fall head over heels emotionally, often disregarding matters that may make the relationship impractical.

Nothing really bad about this as I also believe the differing priorities balance things out a good bit.

[Elen]

My feeling is that women first evaluate how practical a relationship could be before investing too much on the emotional side.
 Men on the other hand seem to first fall head over heels emotionally, often disregarding matters that may make the relationship impractical.

agree
 But to other hand investing ( for purpose)  emotions in realationship  which was calculated rather pratically is harder than to deal with consequence of not practical decision made because of emotions built without calculation a practical side of realtionship.

 That;s why many wives of rich practical" men have young "impractical" poor lovers 

[Turboguy]

Guys, when you want in toilet for a long time but you cannot find it.  Can you think about spiritual/loving goals then or maybe you can only think about a toilet?

Good point Mila.   Probably Maslow invented his hierarchy wondering around one day thinking I am thirsty and I am hungry but I really need to use the toilet.   I wonder why that one did not make his list.   Very good comment.

[Mila]

Mila

So one should achieve material goals before spiritual ones?

And are you also very goal focused like your cousin?

Mir, I think men certainly should achieve material goals before spiritual ones. As about woman, she should try achieve material goals if she is not able… then she can allow man to do it for her. 
I am goal focused but my goals differ from hers.

[funkola]

Yes some people are desperate to leave but I met dozens of young women, men and coupels who are happy to stay there and build a life for themselves.

I haven't met dozens of women but the girl I am in contact with would like for me to consider living in Ukraine.

[Mir]

Mila

I think material and spiritual development can progress side by side.
Also the goals often change depending on what is achieved and what is not achieved.

[Jazzyclassy]

     Mila

I think material and spiritual development can progress side by side.
Also the goals often change depending on what is achieved and what is not achieved     

I agree with Mirushka:)

[Zmejka]

mir- a woman with a young child ,regardless her age,,
may often have the childs future in mind and see the west as a better chance for him/her.

I completely agree with this. That's why so often it could be seen on different forums when a marriage is failing and women are trying to survive - they refuse (well, most not everybody) to go back and the main reason is that they see a better future for their children. And in the long run who knows they can meet somebody for themselves, the opportunity to do it back home is close to zero. They could start their searches again but most of them prefer to have little but now rather than coming back into uncertainty even having a back up of their family and friends.

[Jumper]

zemjka said

I completely agree with this. That's why so often it could be seen on different forums when a marriage is failing and women are trying to survive - they refuse (well, most not everybody) to go back and the main reason is that they see a better future for their children. And in the long run who knows they can meet somebody for themselves, the opportunity to do it back home is close to zero. They could start their searches again but most of them prefer to have little but now rather than coming back into uncertainty even having a back up of their family and friends.

just to clear things up, I have no problem at all with this!!

Like a good husband will do what is needed for his family,, 3 jobs or whatever it takes,
the woman in this situation is doing what is needed for hers.

despartion may be too strong of word,in such cases.
 
practical orpragmatic perhaps?

and initial thoughts of practicality , or pragmaticism,does not rule out the possibilty of sincere feelings or building a happy relationship.

as mila mentioned a man with his head on straight ,should be able to work such a situation out,and see if its developing well ,or not.

*shrugs*

as far as the truely desperate? they exist everywhere..
terrible situtions may leave some little choice..
others despair for small reason.

inner character is still not defined by a rough circumstance,,
it normally reveals it?


anyway, there are desperate people in ever country of the world,,even on your own street..
it doesnt mean you shouldnt leave the safety of your home ! 

[Thor]

Mila

So one should achieve material goals before spiritual ones?

And are you also very goal focused like your cousin?

I don't mean to offend you Mir, but I don't think that you understand the Ukrainian mentality here...I have like many men on this board dated and meet  many girls in Ukraine, and I KNOW that many singelmothers would put the child's happines and safety before her own happiness....But also as Mila said, more mature men means often a safe future...If the child is safe the mother will in many cases be happy too. What is th rue love??? I don't believe in love at the first meeting, I believe that love comes during the time together...

[Thor]

I agree with Mirushka:)

I also so agree with Mila!!!

[Thor]

mir- a woman with a young child ,regardless her age,,
may often have the childs future in mind and see the west as a better chance for him/her.

it isnt always about a better life for HER..but a better possibilty for her child.
and for the record , i have no issue with that.

just pionting out there is often far more to the equation,,

and also feel that thor is correct..

from my experiences in the FSU i would say aRW with a child would consider marriage to a foreigner much more quickly on average,
(yes a generalization, each individual ios different)

its simply that , in that culture and circumstance ,
they "generally" have fewer options to have a safe happy family
than the same RW that is single without children.

it is not rocket science.
and at its core reflects why there is even a MOB industry?
even though getting better, it is a depressed ecomomy.
in a depressed ecomomy , with hard living situations,
and especially in the FSU culture, another mans  child,  is viewed by a single man often as simply another financial burden
that he wil struglle to bear..
and in that cuklture he certainly has hopes of his own children with her..
it is a complication that hurts her chances tyo remarry far more than in western culture..
it isnt impossible for her to remarry of course!
but will cause issues.

 families in general have far less children in the FSU..
culture and ecomomics are key reasons
you VERY seldom see more than 1 or 2 children to a family.

and it is the only modern culture in the world,
 with a almost shockingly receding population growth..

the reasons for this, should not be lost on men looking there.
 



as far as deperate FSU women,
for those who dont think they exist..

are you sane?

there are extremly desperate women (and men) in the west?
they certainly exist in the FSU.

will the average RW a guy meets jump at the chance to marry him? no.

but yes , if he looked a bit , he could find one that would.
It would not be easy, bu tthen again it would not be all that  difficult.
thats desperation on both thier parts??



as far as desperate WMen?

LOL fat yuri , and quite a few agencies,
 makes a few million a year off just the desperate keyboard romeos?

lets not forget its a whole industry almost entirley based on milking the desperate western man..

the real connections and marriages are the anomolies?
 not the routine.

*shrugs*

VERY GOOD POST!!! This is how it is in FSU!!

[Mir]

Thor

Yes I know this already and thats why I never said that this argument was without merit.I have an idea of the mentality of Ukrainians but I would like to tell you that generalizations are always incorrect. There is no such thing as Ukrainian mentality that applies to all Ukrainians, but maybe it was the mentality of all the girls you dated.
The quote you have written was not in the context of desperate Ukrainian single mothers etc etc
You can also read Mila's story when she went to live with her BF in USA and you might understand what I meant by the hardship a girl might face when she relocates to US, and add in a little demanding child as well.
Still people do what they have to do and not everyone is the same. So some of the girls would look as a foreigner as their saviour and some won't.
BTW will you take your new wife to Norway to live there for a while or she will stay in Ukraine?

[Mir]

Thor

Jazzy agreed with me (I think)

[Jazzyclassy]

Da Da Da  I agreed with Mir absolutely not with somebody else

Mir + russian ending ushka=  Mirushka -cute little name of a nice person

[Jazzyclassy]

But  wait  a sec  let me write something later I jut gotta run to University  from work , so I have something to say about Thor posts too


Jazzichka

Jazz+ichka russian sweet ending= Jazzichka:))

[Thor]

Thor

Yes I know this already and thats why I never said that this argument was without merit.I have an idea of the mentality of Ukrainians but I would like to tell you that generalizations are always incorrect. There is no such thing as Ukrainian mentality that applies to all Ukrainians, but maybe it was the mentality of all the girls you dated.
The quote you have written was not in the context of desperate Ukrainian single mothers etc etc
You can also read Mila's story when she went to live with her BF in USA and you might understand what I meant by the hardship a girl might face when she relocates to US, and add in a little demanding child as well.
Still people do what they have to do and not everyone is the same. So some of the girls would look as a foreigner as their saviour and some won't.
BTW will you take your new wife to Norway to live there for a while or she will stay in Ukraine?

I totally agree with you that re-colate to a new country is not easy at all Mir!! It can be very hard, but I believe that it depends on your husband and his family too. And yes off course the Ukrainians are different. Some would never leave the country, other would jump on the first fligth out off Ukraine .

My wife will move to Norway in August. I am not stupid and now that this Will be hard for her and for me. I have read Michelangelo's very interesting post about how his wife Vika adapts to her new life in Texas. My wife is also nervous about how she Will settel in in Norway off course. But if she don't like Norway at all we must consider to live in Ukraine. Time will tell. But I am doing a lot off homework in Norway. I try to find Ukrainian clubs, Ukrainian society's, Russian church, and so on. In Norway will she start at a school to teach the language as soon as she is in Norway. To speak the language is the key to success...