Desperate or not? FSU women

[Jazzyclassy]

    I don't mean to offend you Mir, but I don't think that you understand the Ukrainian mentality here...I have like many men on this board dated and meet  many girls in Ukraine, and I KNOW that many singelmothers would put the child's happines and safety before her own happiness....But also as Mila said, more mature men means often a safe future...If the child is safe the mother will in many cases be happy too. What is th rue love??? I don't believe in love at the first meeting, I believe that love comes during the time together...                 

I can agree with the fact about  ukraine women that they sacrifice themselves in order for their kids to live better

it has been one of my fav topics here about ukraines , I love them so much that I have no words to describe  how deep is my love towards them:)

Again about ukraine women to be desperate I do not know really , my opinion is yes, but again it is only my personal experience and experience of my family,  I can tell such words towards russian girls too or some other ones, it is just  never met pure nice honest kind and friendly  ukraine girl in my life , though it amazes me how other people are praising them I wish I could do so hahaha, I had not been lucky here in this world, my life is not complete cos I can not worship ukraines hahaha ,

 so I can not actually tell how they are ,  I know that Cossack woman wont tolerate ukraine's woman ignorance about some questions and wont fight for the man ukraine  is trying to take away , she will just walk away......

[LEGAL]

Material or spiritual?

In our lives, she brought sunshine
A petite sweet lady, whom to my wife and I,
is so ever thoughtful and kind
At first glance, I knew she has a
beautiful heart
This lovely lady, I could foretell,
would make a sincere neighbour
right from the start...

(Raymond A Fernando)


I would really wonder if this man wrote :"I knew she has a pragmatic mind..." 

Olga

[Zhena]

I can agree with the fact about  ukraine women that they sacrifice themselves in order for their kids to live better

it has been one of my fav topics here about ukraines , I love them so much that I have no words to describe  how deep is my love towards them:)

Again about ukraine women to be desperate I do not know really , my opinion is yes, but again it is only my personal experience and experience of my family,  I can tell such words towards russian girls too or some other ones, it is just  never met pure nice honest kind and friendly  ukraine girl in my life , though it amazes me how other people are praising them I wish I could do so hahaha, I had not been lucky here in this world, my life is not complete cos I can not worship ukraines hahaha ,

 so I can not actually tell how they are ,  I know that Cossack woman wont tolerate ukraine's woman ignorance about some questions and wont fight for the man ukraine  is trying to take away , she will just walk away......

Oh my Gosh
Are you normal,Jazzy? ???
By the way...dont you have any armenian people between your relatives? Just thoughts.

[catzenmouse]

Oh my Gosh
Are you normal,Jazzy? ???
By the way...dont you have any armenian people between your relatives? Just thoughts.

Probably as normal as someone can be with verbal diarrhea. Perhaps the lights are on, but from the words there is nobody at home.

[LEGAL]

Hey catzenmouse  You could be a rock and roll song writer 



LEGAL

[Zhena]

You know,I have the mixed feelings about Jazzy. I feel an irritation when she says that nasty things about my country and the people from my country,and about the beautiful girls. From other hand,I realize,she has some problem with a self-esteem and tries to show shes better than someone...Jazzy,if you have such a good soul as you write,you wouldnt say what you say. Dont be an evil selfish little girl,you re grew up. Stop to have a pity on yourself. Dont deny,you think a life or the people are not fair about you. Ok,I dont feel any wish to work as a psychologist for you. Just stop to talk like that,I feel a need to slap you. I cant bear that,sorry.

[Jazzyclassy]

    Ok,I dont feel any wish to work as a psychologist for you. Just stop to talk like that,I feel a need to slap you. I cant bear that,sorry.           

I feel the same for you and stop telling me who am I and what should I do

am not Armenian my father is Cossack from Rostov on Don

Stop telling me about being stupid awful and so on
, you have  no right to tell me anything

I tell my opinion and my personal experience , I am not asking you to like me , I am standing my ground , and  plus I never insulted you and let it be shame for you to tell such words about the person you do not know

This forum is your life , it seems to me you do not live your real life outside , you are so willing to hurt and to offend people, if you are so high self esteem why then you bring down the ones who have low self esteem??? a?

  Probably as normal as someone can be with verbal diarrhea. Perhaps the lights are on, but from the words there is nobody at home.       

This words I send back to you sending all negative you told to me back to you. thank you

I wont let somebody to bring me down for my opinion

It seems to me that you are 12 cos you are talking on the same level with me and since I am 12 so what can I say.....

you are a crowd  who is ready to kill anyone who talks and thinks differently


think about it , think about you being civilized......

[Mila]

In our lives, she brought sunshine
A petite sweet lady, whom to my wife and I,
is so ever thoughtful and kind
At first glance, I knew she has a
beautiful heart
This lovely lady, I could foretell,
would make a sincere neighbour
right from the start...

(Raymond A Fernando)


I would really wonder if this man wrote :"I knew she has a pragmatic mind..." 

Olga

It is funny. Each time I found a splendid man I could like to see beside me I warned him “I am a heartless bitch but life with me will be full of surprises and a half of them will be unpleasant.” Each of them thought I was kidding. Each of them was saying me similar words as you posted. Each of them wanted to marry me. Each of them I left 6 -9 months later I met.
Dear, you see, men in love are blind. It seemed to them issues from my pragmatic mind were issues from my beautiful heart.
I still hope to find a seeing splendid man who will love my pragmatic mind, not his own self – delusions about my ‘beautiful heart”. 

[Mir]

Mila

Both men and women can be blind in love.
And one needs to be partially sighted to stay in love

[Jazzyclassy]

back to the topic Despearate or not  ?

that is just how you see them , for some people they are desperate for the girls who married russian men , these girls  who are in search of some foreign men , they are desperate ,

For example I have a friend who tells me that I am desperate that I 've fallen in love with foreign person when she thinks I could have a lot of nice russian guys, for her I am desperate and I can not judge her it is her point of view,

so why do not we all  stop this stupid silly competition who is desperate and who is not, it is up to individual mind, we can just share opinions here, nothing more, we can not blame a person for thinking differently and for the fact that he/she actually lives in different society in a different world. Well yeah the other question is that truth is the one for everybody , but everyone of us has it's own little truth and only with time we will come to that Real  the only one Truth

     Probably as normal as someone can be with verbal diarrhea. Perhaps the lights are on, but from the words there is nobody at home.    

Once again this comment..........

Do not make all people think like you think , we are all different here, why you're trying to make this forum as a theatre  of one actor or 2 , when we have bunch of people with different up bringing, values, issues , state of mind,finally education,  everything is different , why then you want us to think the same?
What is this forum for then? - For personal insults and pointing out  how smart and wise these bunch of people(and you the athour of this diarrhea comment ) are and how silly and little brats are the other ones.That is mean!

I understand and realize how silly I can be , but  I also notice such kind of things about any of you here, so why tell anything , if you are not perfect yourself.

 you can  spread any wise words here, can tell anything  whatever you want, but you wont be pure in your soul , if you allow such kinda comments towards a woman who is 100 y.o. younger than you and who is of course not that smart than you but a millions of times tactful and respective of other's people opinion........

And I am not gonna think underneath and make excuses about my self esteem that is my private world and my own decision and soul work , which of course does not involve  this so called  

   Zhena  ......    psychologist for you. Just stop to talk like that,I feel a need to slap you. I cant bear that,sorry.    ..... Dont be an evil selfish little girl,you re grew up. Stop to have a pity on yourself. Dont deny,you think a life or the people are not fair about you   

and what you know about my life and who I am, to tell this mixture of nonsense?
Who are you to tell me what I should do and how I should think ,  Is life fair for you? why you left your loving Ukraine, if life  is fair for you? Why you have courage insulting and expressing your irritation towards people ? think about it yourself , if you are so wise ..............

Life is not so narrow minded as you  think , life is enormous and it allows people to grow and allows people to be different, and express themselves as how they like it ,  Life it is not only citing philosophers all the time and spreading flat humour jokes  and point at people how badly and silly they act and at the same time those people act exactly the same and they never notice these mistakes about themselves but easily blame other people.

[Turboguy]

Jazzy,  When you started posting here I was not too much of a Jazzy fan, mostly because your posts seemed opinionated and argumentative and you were attacking people who knew much more.   I think you have come away in fitting in here and I find your posts much more interesting.  You do come off as having the thoughts of a very young person which you are and that is not bad.  I sort of enjoy watching some of the thoughts of the RW and how the culture and lifestyle have created thoughts that are far different than what I see in America.   That applies to yours, Olga's, Zhena's, Mila's, VWRW's and even Elen's who gets about as strong willed and stubborn as you can get.  I think it is pretty common for people from Moscow to think they are better than anyone including Russians not from Moscow, for all Russians to think they are better than Ukrainians and for Ukrainians to think they are better than Russians.   The cold hard reality is that women from all parts of the FSU have some wonderful qualities and in truth all people are created equal.   As far as who is desperate and who is not, a man who hunts for a desperate woman is desperate. 

Mir, good post.  Love is blind but marriage is an eye opener. 

Mila,  the two leading causes of divorce are money problems and boredom.  It sounds like when you find the right guy the second will not be a problem.   6 to 9 months and you leave them.   Sounds like you do better than my former fiancee who said that everytime she met a man she liked after 4 days she could not stand to be around them. 

Ken,  the old saying when I was a kid was that someone had been vaccinated with a record player needle.  I wonder how many people would even recognize a record player needle if they saw one these days.

[SANDRO43]

I wonder how many people would even recognize a record player needle if they saw one these days.

I would (they were sold in little tin boxes of 100 each, IIRC), and used them for "nefarious" reasons (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=2735.msg58047#msg58047) .

And I also remember the shellac (pre-vinyl) 78 rpm records which we used in our very first home dancing parties (circa 1956). My father's collection of Glenn Miller's hits was in great demand for fast numbers, as well as Moonlight Serenade for slows .

For more details : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramophone_record

[jb]

Sandro,  we must be of the same age, in my grandfather's house it was still called a "Gramophone", it wasn't until the the early 60's when we got a *stereo* system that it was called a record player.  I recall those old needles, I made blow gun darts of them.

[BC]

Grandpa had a Grammaphone..

She could get quite loud and repetitive at times!

[SANDRO43]

Sandro, we must be of the same age

JB, the two-digit number ending my nick stands for my birth year in the last century .  

I recall those old needles, I made blow gun darts of them.

That's exactly the "nefarious" use I was referring to, it appears we are also sharing an "evil" mind in addition to an age bracket .

[SANDRO43]

Grandpa had a Grammaphone..She could get quite loud and repetitive at times!

Brian, I shall report you to the Italian Police authorities and have you expelled for "humour unbecoming an expat resident". Expect some knocks on your door in the wee hours of the night, and have your stamped train ticket ready for proper examination, unless you want to spend 4 hours in the clink, too .

[jb]

BC,

Your grampa's Grammaphone... was prolly made by RCA, while my grampa's Gramophone was made (I think) by Victrola.

[BC]

BC,

Your grampa's Grammaphone... was prolly made by RCA, while my grampa's Gramophone was made (I think) by Victrola.

Think he was referring to 'her' and not 'it' 

[catzenmouse]

jazzy girl,

 You just go right ahead and spout off all of your wisdom all you want. I believe I'll just go back to what my father would tell me to do in a situation like this.

 "Don't get into a battle of wits with someone who is only half prepared."

 So just have yourself a wonderful life and good luck.

Ken

[WmGO]

Jazzy,

Please elaborate on your comments about Ukrainian women. I am not understanding your points. What do you consider as differences between Russian and Ukranian women relevant to marriage, family and their relationships with native men (and then of course Western men)?  You were trying to make a point about this but I could not understand what you were saying.

Mila,

have you made yourself available for marriage considerations with a Western man? If so, why? And what are your goals and ambitions in such a marriage? I find this interestng to know more. And what is your age if you do not mind me asking?


Turboguy,

Boredom is not even on the list of causes for divorce. The first and most common reason for divorce in America is adultry. The second is money problems (almost always due to gross fiscal irresponsibilty), then drug and alchohol abuse, physical/verbal abuse, sexual incompatibilty, and on down the line. 

[I/O]

it has been one of my fav topics here about ukraines

Jazz  Everyone is more than well aware of your opinion on this subject.  Frankly, you have beaten it to death and IMHO gone way over the top in trying to compell others to see it from your point of view. 

You will find that there is a large number of people here who completely agree with you and also there is a larger number of people who think exactly the opposite.  Everyone, including you is entitled to an opinion, but I draw the line at ceaselessly bashing another nationality based on a handful of bad experiences.  There is plenty of people who could expound their bad experiences with Russians, Moscovites, Cossacks, people of the 'Don', but they don't because they know they are wrong to generalise. 

Remember my opening post on that other forum which caused so much anger....?   "Generalisations are Generally wrong". 

A line from a famous book, athough many criticise the writer, his words are true, "A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still".  Think about it.  Jazz, I know your value as a person better than most here ever will, but your posts are not living up to the standards of your real qualities.  You can do much better.  Give up on the Ukraine thing until you have spent some time there, you will find it quite different and the people very different from the way you picture right now.

I/O 

[funkola]

  I wonder how many people would even recognize a record player needle if they saw one these days.

You mean a stylus? 

[jinx13]

Give up on the Ukraine thing until you have spent some time there, you will find it quite different and the people very different from the way you picture right now

 I/O,  If and when Jazzy ever goes to her b/f in the U.K.  she will have a completely different feeling about Ukrainians.  She will be so happy to speak Russian with another girl, her Nationality will not matter at all, and just maybe some of her prejudices will begin to dissapear.

 

it is just  never met pure nice honest kind and friendly  ukraine girl in my life

 Jazzy, you obviously never met my girl Nataly   

 Oh, and Happy Woman's Day! 

[Kvinna]

You know,I have the mixed feelings about Jazzy. I feel an irritation when she says that nasty things about my country and the people from my country,and about the beautiful girls.

Do you meant Ukraine?
Well, this country turns into borthel unfortunatelly, it is not a big secret for anybody now
see Odessa Girls. Part 1/7. Legalised pimping or true love?

[ScottinCrimea]

I'm curious what Jazzy would have to say about my wife.  She's lived all of her life in Ukraine but her mother is from St Petersburg and her father from what is now Kazakhstan.  She considers herself Russian but maybe to Jazzy she's just another Ukrainian.