Ukrainian girls......and how to catch them..

[Thor]

I have been to Ukraine many times the last 2 years, and I was lucky to find a girl I fell in love with, and in the end I got married to her. Why was I lucky??  I was lucky because only 5 of 100 men that comes to FSU find a girl and get married to her...Why so few men find a girl here in FSU? I am not shure why but I believe that this things can be a reason why:

1. Some men are to picky..If you have a average look or below average, you must be a millioner to find a very beautiful girl here in Ukraine. You may ask why?? The economical situation in Ukraine are improving every day and there are more money among peoples now. The most beautiful girls are hunted not only by forreign men, but also by rich Ukrainian men. My impression is that the girls here most of all wants to stay in Ukraine and have a nice man and family here. But it seems to me that there are more girls than men here,  that means that many girls do have to look abroad to find a husband..

2. Some men look for to young girls...If you are in your late 30, 40 or 50, then don't look for girls at the age of 18-22. This girls are what we call party girls. They are to young to settel down and have a family. Maybe if you are lucky you can find a girl at this age in small villages, but not in big city's like Kiev, Kharkov, Dniper and so on. Time has changed and girls at this age has high demands,mands and don't want to marry men much older than them self. They are the new generations of Ukrainians, They don't remember Soviet union time. They are use to western standards and western clothes, mobiles and western lifestyle. If you are in your 30 s look for girls from 25-32, are you in your 40 s look for girls from 27 to 35. Are you in your 50 s look for girls from 35 to 45. If you meet a girl at 18-22 on the internet, be carefull. Most likely she will scam you or take you to restauran gs and nigthclubs so you can pay her fun...Be realistic, dont date to young girls if you have serious intensions.

3. Some men dress badly. Ukrainian girls like men that dress well. ALWAYS dress to impress. If you dress fashion clothes you will impress a Ukrainian girl!! They like men that can dress. This is very important to many girls..Some of you may say that how you dress is not important, but believe me, it is VERY important!!I can tell you that many Ukrainian men are very good dressers. If you dress old fashion or cheap clothes, the girls Will think that you are a cheap guy, and Ukrainian girls don't like cheap guys. They want men that can take care of them..Many of you will be angry at me, but my impression here in Ukraine is that European men are much better dressers than the US guys..The Europeans are much more fashion minded..

4. Don't drink to much. Yes the piva nd vodka is very cheap in Ukraine...BUT, don't drink to much when you are with the girls you are dating. The Ukrainian girls don't like Ukrainian men because they drink to much..And the last thingthey want is a man that drink to much....If the girl refuse to drink, then don't drink!!!

5. Be a gentelman...Yes I know..In the US and western Europe we are not used to be gentelmen anymore. BUT here in Ukraine men are gentelmen, and the girls expect you to be the same. ALWAYS help the girl put on her jacket, help her with the chair at restauran-gs, give her a elping hand out of cars, open the door for her and so on. And of course always pay the bill at restauran gs...If you ask her to splt the bill at restauran gs she will be offended. This is very important for Ukrainian girls.

6. Don't believe the bull*snip* you read about Ukraine and Ukrainian men on agency sites. Ukraine is not so poor as you may think, the prices here are actually very high, 99% of Ukrainian men are very nice and famillyminded. Ye some drinks but in big city's no more Ukrainian men drinks than in the west. Ukrainian men are quit nice.

7. Prepere before you go to Ukraine. Study the history of Ukraine, the culture and learn some phrases of Russian. I used 5 monts before my first arrival to study Ukraine, the history and the culture. If you believe the girls will love you because you are a foreigner you wil be very disappointed. Time has changed, now it is hard to work to find the girl of your dreams here in Ukraine..You wil impress the girls a lot if you follow my advise about study Ukraine before your arrival. Remeber the Ukrainian girls are VERY VERY proud of Ukraine!!

8. Imagine what kind of girl you want to find...Do yo want to look for a big city girl, a village girl, a young girl, a girl with a child?? Be very specific what kind of girl you want to meet and look for this girl.

9. Never vaiste time on girl you don't like at all. If you meet a girl you don't like, then go further very fast. Prepere excuses so you can end dates very fast if you fast feels that this girl is not for you. Remember most men have limited time when they are in Ukraine....When I was in Kharkov October and November I meet almost 40 girls. When I meet girls I did not like at all I ended the date VERY fast, but always in a polite way...My time was limited and I had no time to vaiste..

10. Don't use agency's. Agency's are almost always scam...They are only interested in earning money, and the most beautiful girls at agency's (the girls everybody wants to meet), are money machines for the agency's. Do you peoples really believe that the agency's really want you to take away this girls from the agency's???? Wake up guys, this is scam!!!! When I read about men that comes back time after time to agency's I keep wondering cant you see that this is just scam. There are many different ways to meet sincere girls and  I know how to do it, just ask me!!

11. Consider girls with a child..YES, girls with a child is much easier to find that other girls. WHY?? Because in Ukraine it is very difficult for girls with children to find a man that Will take care about her and her child. It is a different culture her in Ukraine..In many cases this girls are very motivated to meet forreign men. Besides that so do I truly believe that a girl with a child will settel down more easy in a forreign country. Why?? Because then she will her child to care about and this will keep her busy. I know that there can be trouble with the father in Ukraine and that you may pay him money to bring the child out of the country. But I know way to avoid this problem. It is a ugly way to do it but...Just ask me and I will tell you how to do it..

12. Don't look at nigthclubs for serious girls. In nightclubs there are many sexy girls, but mostly party girls..

13. Use helpers that know how to find serious girls. Avoid agency's. My friend Slava knows many serious girls. In fact girls calls him to help them meet serious foreign men. I meet my wife thrue Slava. He has been in this business fro almost 12 years and know this business. He can customise the girl you are looking for..Then it is up to you.

This is just some advises. I am not a expert at all, but I have a lot of experience. I have helped several men here in Kharkov to meet girls, what restauran gs to go to, nigthclubs and so on. I know the mentality of Ukrainian girls. How they think and so on. I am married to a Kharkov girl, I know EVERYTHING about how to arrange for a marriage her in Ukraine and so on. I know the Ukrainian mentality and I know that the most sexy and beautiful girls lives in Ukraine!!!! Ask me any question if you like and I Willl answer them.

I realize that many of you wil not agree with me when it comes to this post, but I will answer your posts....Be a hard worker and be successful!!!!

[Nat]

My impression is that the girls here most of all wants to stay in Ukraine and have a nice man and familly here. But it seems to me that there are more girls than men here,  that means that many girls do have to look abroad to find a housband..

Hehe, we even have a folk song here: “It’s because there are only 9 boys for every 10 girls”

[William3rd]

Nice post, Thor- there is a lot of insight here.

[2tallbill]

Nice post, Thor- there is a lot of insight here.

I agree, great post.

Bill

[Thor]

Thank you guys. Please I am not a exspert at ALL, but this is how I look at this topic after several trips to Ukraine and after I have spoken to local girls here and several men that has been here in Kharkov. Some of this men has been around dating FSU girls since the late 90"s.

[wxman]

Very good insight! I also agree very much about the single women with children. You can also tell a lot about the woman by how her child acts. Not the very young children, but the ones around 10 or 11. If the child is very polite, happy and does well in school, you know her mother takes great pride and effort in raising her child.  It tells a lot about the character of the woman who works full time and yet creates quality time with her child.

[Thor]

Yes I totaly agree with you. You can look at the child and see what kind of mother she is.

[corp]

Thor that was a great post and only thing I would doubt is that 99% of guys make good husband. I doubt that number would be true in any country

But I like your posts and I am glad you found a good woman.
Thanks for sharing your "on the ground" experiences and insight.

[Thor]

Thor that was a great post and only thing I would doubt is that 99% of guys make good husband. I doubt that number would be true in any country

But I like your posts and I am glad you found a good woman.
Thanks for sharing your "on the ground" experiences and insight.

Yes 99% is to much of course, but every time I read about Ukraine and dating girls in Ukraine on agency sites I read about how terrible UKrainian men are. This is just bullshit. They are not worse than men in other countrys.

[Mir]

So Thor you have exploded the myth that the majority of FSU men make bad husbands.

We also read that women outnumber men in the FSU so they can't find a mate locally. I think that is another myth. No doubt the population census will show more women then men but most likely this relates to people who are over 60 years old considering the much longer female average age plus the large number of young men who died in WW2 (here the women will in their eighties).
I wonder if there is any difference in the numbers for age groups 20-40?

[Thor]

Yes I also wounder if there are more girls than boys from the age of 20-40. As you may know so did 20 million FSU peoples, not only men but also many girls (because many girls was in the red army too) die during ww2. But we must also remember and this is not so common known, that Stalin cilled 20 million FSU peoples and almost only men during GULAG...

[Nat]

We also read that women outnumber men in the FSU so they can't find a mate locally. I think that is another myth.

It’s not myth, believe me It’s reality

[Thor]

It’s not myth, believe me It’s reality

This is my impression too. In Norway I am used to that the rate of men at nigthclubs are at least 70% , but here in Ukraine it is opposite. Much more girls than men..A paradise

[SANDRO43]

As you may know so did 20 million FSU people...

Not quite on the same scale, but for a similar demographic imbalance you US members might want to consider another country ... PARAGUAY !

In 1865-1870 they fought and lost a very bloody war against Uruguay, Argentine AND Brazil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_Triple_Alliance) :some 15 years ago, a friend of mine visited an uncle who had been long living there, and was chased by bevies of affluent girls, many of them blue-eyed blondes, too (the country was a favourite refuge for Nazis escaping Germany at the end of WWII through the Odessa network ).

[Mir]

Sandro

You have twisted my arm.I have booked my flight to Paraguay
A similar imbalance will also exist in Iraq. A future hunting ground?

[Michelangelo]

Thor ~ great post! My girl Vik was saying
"yes, yes, yes!"
at your every statement 

You have it right, man.

[FunIndieBloke]

2. Some men look for to young girls...If you are in your late 30, 40 or 50, then don't look for girls at the age of 18-22. This girls are what we call party girls. They are to young to settel down and have a family. Maybe if you are lucky you can find a girl at this age in small villages, but not in big city's like Kiev, Kharkov, Dniper and so on. Time has changed and girls at this age has high demands,mands and don't want to marry men much older than them self. They are the new generations of Ukrainians, They don't remember Soviet union time. They are use to western standards and western clothes, mobiles and western lifestyle. If you are in your 30 s look for girls from 25-32, are you in your 40 s look for girls from 27 to 35. Are you in your 50 s look for girls from 35 to 45. If you meet a girl at 18-22 on the internet, be carefull. Most likely she will scam you or take you to restauran gs and nigthclubs so you can pay her fun...Be realistic, dont date to young girls if you have serious intensions.

The girl I've had the most correspondence with and going to meet in Ukraine in a few weeks is 21.  I'm 32, by the way.  She does not come from any of the major Ukraninan cities, just Zaporizhia.  She told me she is serious and doesn't play games, she is looking for a man in her life not a sugar daddy.  I feel I can trust her, but once I meet her, I'll can tell for sure.  Or should I just stay away from 18-22 year olds?  I did go out with one (a 20 year old Russian expat who was living in Paris, whom I didn't progress with because I felt that she was interested in my wallet)

[Kuna]

Hmmmm... the age gap thing again.

FiB,

I just wonder if many 21 year olds REALLY know what they want in the future and are mature enough to actually be on-track for that future. 

What I mean is... I was concerned when I was searching that I would find a younger girl and we'd hit it off, marry, immigrate, etc and then by the time she is 26 her goals will have changed.

I've dated young girls in Oz and I just didn't see enough substance.  Yes it's fun...  but I was looking for a committed LONG TERM relationship.

In my opinion it introduces a higher risk... but others have successfully married younger girls and are very happy. (look at KenC).

Just my opinion... but there are no hard and fast rules! Let your big head make the decisions... not your little head!

Kuna

[SANDRO43]

A similar imbalance will also exist in Iraq. A future hunting ground?

Not for blue-eyed blondes, I'm afraid (not enough former Nazis in Iraq ).

Although there were some similarities between the two countries : Paraguay was also a VERY quiet and law-abiding country under President Stroessner (much like Bulgaria in Soviet times) .

[Turboguy]

The girl I've had the most correspondence with and going to meet in Ukraine in a few weeks is 21.  I'm 32, by the way.  She does not come from any of the major Ukrainian cities, just Zaporozhye.  She told me she is serious and doesn't play games, she is looking for a man in her life not a sugar daddy.  I feel I can trust her, but once I meet her, I'll can tell for sure.  Or should I just stay away from 18-22 year olds?  I did go out with one (a 20 year old Russian expat who was living in Paris, whom I didn't progress with because I felt that she was interested in my wallet)

There are 21 year old women that are very settled and mature and 40 year old women with the maturity of a child.   There are general trends that will say a woman is not too ready to settle down until she is 25 or so but there are lots of exceptions.   If she seems like she might be the right gal for you don't worry about the age.  Give her a chance and see how it works.

[Thor]

The girl I've had the most correspondence with and going to meet in Ukraine in a few weeks is 21.  I'm 32, by the way.  She does not come from any of the major Ukraninan cities, just Zaporizhia.  She told me she is serious and doesn't play games, she is looking for a man in her life not a sugar daddy.  I feel I can trust her, but once I meet her, I'll can tell for sure.  Or should I just stay away from 18-22 year olds?  I did go out with one (a 20 year old Russian expat who was living in Paris, whom I didn't progress with because I felt that she was interested in my wallet)

This is only 11 years in ahe difference, it is not a problem. It is also very good that she is from Zaporizhia, most likely she is not a gold digger then. You are quit young to look for a FSU girl and that is good. Go and meet her, but have a back up plan..You will soon see if she really likes you or your wallet..If she only wants to go to restaurangs and demand that yo buy her gifts before you feel you know her then dump her..But so far it seems that you should go and meet her!!

[Thor]

Thor ~ great post! My girl Vik was saying
"yes, yes, yes!"
at your every statement 

You have it right, man.

I take that as a great compliment when a Ukrainian girl like Vik likes my post. Maybe I hit the bull eye here...?

[Natalia]

10. Don't use agency's..............There are many different ways to meet sincere girls and  I know how to do it, just ask me!!

Ok, I'll ask  How?
Just curious

[Shadow]

Thor, a good read. Just too bad that most guys gain this insight after they find the right woman. 

[Thor]

Ok, I'll ask  How?
Just curious

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