Are Ukraine and Russia the last frontier when it comes to find a bride??

[prince_alfie]

I don't quite agree.  There is no "last frontier" place of where to find a woman honestly. In fact, people who go to a foreign country out of mere desperation are not going to swim very well and sink fast.

This attempt to recreate Russia and the FSU in some idealized paradisical state isn't very smart honestly. We can argue about economics all day but really this is an individual situation where the guy simply has to argue that finding a gal one on one is the pudding proof that he can make it. The background of the guy is somewhat important but the big steps and responsibility are on the shoulders of the guy.

Even if individual countries improve in their economy, that wouldn't make a difference of whether a guy is successful or not over there. Honestly, it boils down to what the original intent of the guy wanting to find a girl in the FSU in the first place. If it is devious, that's all his future investment will have to show for it.

[Thor]

Did your contact tell you that girls in the Baltic states thought western men were sex tourists because the western men going there ARE sex tourists?
Kuna

Hi Kuna. My contact told me that MANY men from Europe goes to the Baltic as sextourists, and I truly believe that that is thrue. In Riga there are so many strip clubs, whores and so on. Of course the good girls believe western men are sex tourists. So when a honest man like you come there she will think you are a bad guy even if your intensions are totally different.

[Kuna]

Hi Kuna. My contact told me that MANY men from Europe goes to the Baltic as sextourists, and I truly believe that that is thrue. In Riga there are so many strip clubs, whores and so on. Of course the good girls believe western men are sex tourists. So when a honest man like you come there she will think you are a bad guy even if your intensions are totally different.

Thor,

I met a girl in a bar in Riga and she explained to me that when she heard me speaking English earlier she did everything possible to not make eye contact because she thought I was English.  If we're all honest we'll acknowledge some American tourists have given Americans a bad name in some countries...  but in Riga it's the English that are most disliked.

While we often talk about the expense of airfares in RWD it seems to be the thing that is a barrier for sex tourists because once the discount airlines started to service Riga the Poms decided they needed to go there to get serviced.

In a way I hope Kiev NEVER gets the same cheap airfares as Riga because it will suffer the same fate.  Kiev already has enough hookers hanging around in bars and God knows what it would be like once hoards of Engishmen on bachelor parties start to invade the city...   

[Zhena]

To say frankly,to me all foreigner men in the bars appear the sex tourists...It might be my point,but I would never look for a serious man in the bar...The first thought is he looks for someone for one-night stand. When I was meeting my girlfriends in some cafe or disco club in Odessa,I saw many foreigners there and some tried to get introduced-but I just cant take a man seriously if hes there...

[Mir]

Zehna

Is there much difference between a man who travels to another country and tries to pick up a girl in the bar c/w the one who corresponds and grooms girls before travelling there? Just wondering....

[Zhena]

Zehna

Is there much difference between a man who travels to another country and tries to pick up a girl in the bar c/w the one who corresponds and grooms girls before travelling there? Just wondering....

The right spelling of my nick is Zhena,not Zehna In russian,it means wife.
For the man,there might be no difference,of course. But it exists-I wouldnt look for a potential wife in the bar also. The good girls happen there;though most of the girls not so decent and visit those places quite often.
 Same attitude I have for a man who looks in the bar and cant help to it.
About grooming some girls...Maybe its strange to you,but my attitude to this is ok. You never know a person really before you meet her/him. If a man flies from america,for example,he couldnt go too often for the each girl personally. Its naturally that he afraids to fail with the one girl so he prefers to get to know some and choose. I would do the same on his place. Did I understood your question right?

[IAmZon]

Quote: "Is there much difference between a man who travels to another country and tries to pick up a girl in the bar c/w the one who corresponds and grooms girls before travelling there? Just wondering...."

The negative characteristics do not come from boys and girls being boys and girls ... it comes from the implicit exploitation at work in some cases.
1, Trade-up AND Out of League (55 year old, out of shape and bald AM = spends three days with a hot, 25 year old RW)
2, Insufficient time and consideration given to the women before the pudding is sampled. (woman feels compelled to close the deal)

[Thor]

Thor,

I met a girl in a bar in Riga and she explained to me that when she heard me speaking English earlier she did everything possible to not make eye contact because she thought I was English.  If we're all honest we'll acknowledge some American tourists have given Americans a bad name in some countries...  but in Riga it's the English that are most disliked.

This is so thrue!! I know that many Englishmen goes to Riga for Bachelor partys and so on. And Englishmen especialy men in theyr 20:s are the worst. They drink a lot, figth, are rued and so on. I have seen some many of this sort of men at Riga airport, and I fell ashmed of their behavour. I also pray to good that this peoples will start to go to Kiev....

[Mir]

Zhena (sorry for the wrong spelling)

I think you did answer the question although there are men who would correspond and then travel to meet the girls with similar intentions to the men in the bar.

Rivardco
Perhaps these are the subtle variations,however it looks as the primary reason for looking to FSU for a wife is the trade up.
The question is who decides what level of trade up is correct and what is wrong.
Why should a 55 year old,bald man be disallowed to pursue a pretty girl?
What if he has a great personality and high intelligence?
Afterall don't we all claim that looks are of secondary importance?

[Thor]

Afterall don't we all claim that looks are of secondary importance?

I don't!! One of the reasons I went to FSU to find a girl where that I knew that there where MANY beautiful girls there, MANY. For me it was important to find a beautiful girl. It may not be political correct to say that, but this is the simple Truth..I am just honest.

[Stirlitz]

The right spelling of my nick is Zhena,not Zehna In russian,it means wife.

And, it is not pronounced like Zena. For some reason this is how Americans pronounce ZH. Just like Z. However, it is similar to voiced SH, or J without D.

[Mir]

Thor

Yes that what we want for everyone to be honest.

[Thor]

Thor

Yes that what we want for everyone to be honest.

Some men says that apperance dont matter at all, but I dont belive this. Why so many men date so many girls here in Ukraine?? Because the belive they can do better, even if they meet very sexy girls..This because there are so many krasivaya girls here in Ukraine . Much more than at home.

[Mir]

Thor

Maybe or maybe there are many kraseevy girls in FSU who are available to these men c/w their homes (easier to trade up in FSU).

[Thor]

Thor

Maybe or maybe there are many kraseevy girls in FSU who are available to these men c/w their homes (easier to trade up in FSU).

There are unbelievable many krasivy girls in Ukraine. Much more than I ever could imagine. Walking in the streets of Kharkov a summerday with all this sexy girls walking around in high heels and miniskirts.....Puhhh!! And here in Ukraine it is like that the girls you want to see dress in miniskirts dress in miniskirts. Back home it is often the girls you don:t want to see in miniskirts who walks around in this skirts...

[catzenmouse]

Yup, there is not much scarier than a 5 foot tall, 200 pound woman in a mini skirt!  :hairraising:

[FunIndieBloke]

Lets face it, Belarus is because of the political system not a good place to find a bride. Besides it is very difficoult to get a visa to bring girls from Belarous to your country. The Balticks have been members of the European communiti for some years and the political and economical situatuation is fast improving and cloose to western standards, at least in the citys. I have spoken to a girl from Latvia who lives in Norway and she told me that girls in Latvia no longer are interested in marry forreign men if not it is THE ONE!!!! Besides this, this girls can travel where they want in Europe and she told me that girls prefered to live in Europe. Girls from the Baltics want to stay in the Baltic or in the neigbour countrys like Scandinavia, Germany or England.

Regarding the ex-Warsaw Pact countries who are now part of the EU (Poland, Czech, Baltics) most of the young people live in London now!  If you fancy girls from these countries (especially Polish girls) you should consider coming to London instead and just going to one of the Polish expat social groups!  Romania and Bulgaria are part of the EU now, but they don't have free working rights yet.  It breaks down like this: the British, French, Germans, Spanish have unrestricted working rights throughout the EU.  Poles, Czechs, Hungarians, Slovakians and citizens of the Baltic countries only have free working rights in Britain, Ireland and Sweden.  Romanians and Bulgarians only have free work rights only in Sweden and have to qualify for work permits anywhere else!  Maybe that's why I still see Romanian girls on the agency websites?

[IAmZon]

I do not understand why Romania is not discussed more?

From what I understand:
1, The language is easier - Latin based.
2, Passports easier
3, Greater rule of law, barely
4, higher frequency of English speaking.

I fully intend to visit many Romanian cities this Summer.

[DKMM]

Rivardco,

fwiw I have a friend from Romania who thinks its a much better idea to look for a bride from Romania than from Russia.  He says there are plenty still there looking for the right guy, and America is considered the best place in the world to a lot of them.  Good luck!

[IAmZon]

DKMM-

Me too!  Maybe we are focusing several hundred miles too far east?

[Shadow]

It somehow worries me to see a discussion about which countries have the best economy to find a bride from. Not only because it is no longer fashionable to marry on economic grounds.
These is always the risk that if you marry a woman who does it to 'trade up' she will be looking for another switch after some time.
Whenever I had the feeling economic motives were at play, it would be a complete turn-off for me.

[Thor]

It somehow worries me to see a discussion about which countries have the best economy to find a bride from. Not only because it is no longer fashionable to marry on economic grounds.
These is always the risk that if you marry a woman who does it to 'trade up' she will be looking for another switch after some time.
Whenever I had the feeling economic motives were at play, it would be a complete turn-off for me.

Yes there is always a chance that the girl marry you to get out of FSU. You can never know, but I think that most men can see if there are some sparkling between him and his wife..

[Shadow]

Yes there is always a chance that the girl marry you to get out of FSU. You can never know, but I think that most men can see if there are some sparkling between him and his wife..

From some of the things I read I am seriously beginning to doubt that.
A lot of men are dazzled by the strange environment and the beauty of the girl and realise only later ( too late) it was a game.

[DKMM]

A lot of men are dazzled by the strange environment and the beauty of the girl and realise only later ( too late) it was a game.

Uh oh, I'm screwed!

[Kuna]

A lot of men are dazzled by the strange environment and the beauty of the girl and realise only later ( too late) it was a game.

So what's the magic formula to work out if it's real and sustainable?

Even spending LOTS of time together is no guarantee of sustainabiity if someone is playing a game.

Of course it's got to do with a persons "value system", but isn't it a bit of a gamble at the end of the day anyway?