Is it only narrow-minded and lonely women seeking a husband abroad?

[LEGAL]

Elen, one of members of RWD, made an interesting point about women who are seeking for foreign husband.

Well I think that 99% of those RW who are seaking for husband abrod are exactly those type of lonely narrow-minded women 

1.RW(99% of them)  who are seaking for men abroad ARE lonely
2. RW(99% of them)   who are seaking husbands abroad can't solve this problem of loneliness here in Russia
3. RW (99% of them)  who are seaking for husbands abroad name one of the main reason of such decision  that there are not DECENT males  for them here

I think it would be interesting to know the opinions of other members of RWD.

Olga and LEGAL

[funkola]

Narrow minded? I would think someone willing to chance an international relationship would be open minded  ???

[El Rock]

Narrow minded? I would think someone willing to chance an international relationship would be open minded  ???

Not necessarily , if they had no idea what they  were getting into  ,  they could be  anything   , narrowminded , sicko ,  bi-polar ,   those  and many more would cause a person to not think things out , incorrectly  process  an idea , be irrational , in fact  , that would make them more agreeable    to the idea of international   husband  searching .
This is why it is important  to spend as much time with her ,  in the hopes she is normal , like you , or as much as you are .

[LEGAL]

Funkola,

you have a chance to change your  decision to marry Russian woman while it is not late  

Olga

[funkola]

Olga, I must admit my enthusiasm has dropped after joining this forum. 

[El Rock]

Olga, I must admit my enthusiasm has dropped after joining this forum. 

Why , in a  few words ?

[Mir]

Olga

Any woman (or man) seeking a partner anywhere will be lonely otherwise she/he will not be looking.
As for being narrow minded,well here Elen has to elaborate what he/she means.Perhaps some mistake has been made in translating thoughts from Russian to English.

[El Rock]

Olga

Any woman (or man) seeking a partner anywhere will be lonely otherwise she/he will not be looking.
As for being narrow minded,well here Elen has to elaborate what he/she means.Perhaps some mistake has been made in translating thoughts from Russian to English.

99%   of the time , people will just start responding as if they know  what the intent of the  threat was , very rarely do they ask   for a   in depth  explanation 
so the right response can follow , just as you did ,..
 You may of just aborted and long and meaningless thread by asking her to articulate her thoughts better .
Good job

[LEGAL]

Dear Funkola,
according to Elena's statement 99% of Russian wives of foreign men are lonely narrow-minded women but you have chance to get 1%   do not lose your enthusiasm  

Funkola,
read what guys write about their Russian wives and girls, look at photos and you will see  they are happy with their FSU women.  

Olga.

[Kuna]

HAHAHAHA  I could see this coming...

Rock,

I don't think any discussion is pointless IF it raises other peoples awareness.  You might have learnt all there is to learn but others are still seeking truth and reality.


Funk,

If your enthusiasm has wained and you're still searching it's probably a good thing.  It's easy to get tied up in the hype and head over the FSU without a realistic impression of what it's like and what our responsibilities are.  A level head is dfinitely needed if we're to take this journey.


Olga,

Elen may very well be one of those women who looks down on others that seek International relationships.  It's her choice but her opinions really should have no impact on us.

It takes courage to marry someone from another country and I tip my hat to every woman who's taken the journey!

Live and let live!

Kuna

[El Rock]

HAHAHAHA  I could see this coming...

Rock,

I don't think any discussion is pointless IF it raises other peoples awareness.  You might have learnt all there is to learn but others are still seeking truth and reality.
I had to modify that before you read it , hope I did it in time :-)

I think  it  may be  pointless if   they misinterpret  the thread  , assuming she meant one thing when she really meant something else  and the thread goes on & on  , based on that "assumption"

[I/O]

1.RW(99% of them)  who are seaking for men abroad ARE lonely

No brainer really.  Why else does anyone seek a lifetime mate?

2. RW(99% of them)   who are seaking husbands abroad can't solve this problem of loneliness here in Russia

Not sure that most would say "Can't", perhaps many would say it is difficult.

3. RW (99% of them)  who are seaking for husbands abroad name one of the main reason of such decision  that there are not DECENT males  for them here

Impressions I have gotten over time suggest that perhaps there is not ENOUGH decent men available in some places.  Subtle but important difference.

I/O

[El Rock]

I've seen women around here say somehting like , " I cann't find a good man "
This , coming from a women   that would mkae 99% of  men run like hell.

[wiz]

I can understand the reasons that drive the FSU women to look for a western husband, but I can’t understand how they risk getting married to people they can barely talk to. Many foreigners view these women as not only amiable companions (well it’s hard to be an amiable companion when they don’t speak a word of English), but also as housekeepers, easily satisfied with basic living by Western standards. I think many of the FSU women are ready to accept the fact, since the brooding instinct is so strong that they agree to live for their future (or present) kids rather than for themselves. But I can’t understand some Western men. How can one respect himself when he knows what reasons are behind the lady’s “I do”?. I agree that FSU women are prettier and take more care of themselves than most of the women I saw in the USA and Europe and see daily in the UK. So it’s easier to fall for them and since you can always find one, have some fun while in foreign country and also marry her.

On the other hand I would have thought that it’s fairly obvious, because these women want a better life. It comes down to the difference between the West and Russian/Ukraine. In Russia/Ukraine there are relatively few available men, by "available" I mean, healthy, intelligent, financially and emotionally secure. In the West there is actually a surplus of such men relative to the population of women, and as a result the men in the West are not very "valuable". Therefore the less valuable men can simply go to Russia/Ukraine where they are perceived as having higher value. Think of it as an import-export business.

In Russia/ukraine the average young man either lives with his family or shares a tiny apartment with several room-mates. He does this because his two – four hundred USD/month salary doesn't allow him enough money to live on his own. Is this the kind of man women would find attractive to start a family with?

Many men in Russia/Ukraine are also very arrogant towards women, especially if they're the only or older son, they've been brain-washed by their mother's into thinking they're "special", and people who think they're special, aren't concerned too much about other people, does that sound attractive for a mate?

So given a choice, a lot of women would gladly choose a Westerner, even if he's older, not as good looking as a young Slavic god, just as long as he isn't like the men she's had to deal with all her life. So it's not just the lack of drinking Vodka that makes a Westerner more attractive, it's all of the advantages he can offer a Russian/Ukrainian woman, that a Russian/Ukrainian man can't.

The reason that the divorce rate is so high in the FSU countries is because many FSU men (not all) do not respect women. Many girls also marry when they are very young, because they are pregnant; there are FSU women that are already divorced by the time that they are 21. 

Of course we all know most of the reasons why so many Russian/Ukrainian women are prepared to sacrifice their dignity and so much else, just to get out of the poor financial situation they live in. I have to admit that they are very brave taking such huge chances and marry men to whom they hardly can talk. The situation there must be very desperate for these women to take such desperate measures and accept to be used by western men so blatantly. For this reason they will use any tool and method available to them and the obvious is sex. I finding also astonishing on the other hand that men from the west, will marry a Russian/Ukrainian woman, just because she is very attractive, submissive, a good house-keeper and child bearer. I just wonder how they expect to create a happy family when they hardly can communicate with each other.

What is more astonishing is the age gap in some cases I heard of. Some of them go and marry very young ones and when they come here, as soon as they can, the women, leave them.

Any marriage counselor will tell you that one of the main reasons why couples break up is their inability to communicate well with each other. Regardless of whether or not a conversation might be about shared personal issues, what's happening at work, mutual interests, or the state of world affairs, couples need to find time to talk with each other.

The language barrier and the different cultures between western men and Russian/Ukrainian women must be acting against a successful relationship. Hopefully there are a few good examples around which prove the general rule.

On my 60th birthday, I was in Prague and one evening I met this American guy and his Ukrainian “girlfriend”. He was happy as Larry but she hardly could talk any English. They only just met for first time after one month e-mailing to each other. He showered her with jewellery and other presents and she obviously reciprocated accordingly. Through a Ukrainian friend of mine and while her boyfriend was in the bar I asked some pointed questions and became clear that the only thing they had in common was sex. Of course her aim was the passage to America and better life style.

Personally I fully realise that anyone can have sex but true intimacy is the shared experience of two people who genuinely care about each other. One night stands are acceptable in certain circumstances but not as a norm. Maybe it's because I value the feelings of others. Maybe it's because I enjoy knowing that the person I am with is loved and loves me, too. Maybe it's because I am a true romantic. At any rate, it's essential for me to have a real relationship with my woman and not an artificial one.

You see, the actual sexual act lasts about 15 minutes, 30 minutes or in extreme situations 1 hour. On the other hand, intimacy lasts for hours and, usually, a lifetime.

"Romance is all the little kisses in between."  

[Elen]

I think that LEGAL and Olga  play NOT FAIR game taking my post out off context of dicussion about Russian show  "Balzak's ages..." where it was OLGA who first used that definition to females' characters described in that show.
 Everybody who wishes to understand WHY I said that and WHAt it was must go and read that thread ( To WATCH-  but not just read some others' opinion from acticle in interent-  the show we were speaking about in order to understand what types of women Olga insulted with her " narrow mind" definition" - would be not bad as well .

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=3899.0

to make any explanation HERE is useless because my words had nothing in common with idea Legal and Olga try now to picture HERE 

[Elen]

Olga,

Elen may very well be one of those women who looks down on others that seek International relationships.  It's her choice but her opinions really should have no impact on us.

It takes courage to marry someone from another country and I tip my hat to every woman who's taken the journey!

Live and let live!

Kuna

Before making conclusion about my personality and instead of posting "guessing" what I think aout international marriages better go and READ WHO looked down at who. It was nobody other but Olga who made such statement about characters of Russian women represented by the show we discussed ( while those characters are close to majority of RW from my point of view. ) My post was ONLY an answer to show her that by her OWN definition 99% of of those who were seaking husband/ wives abroad could be marked exactly like that.

[LEGAL]

Russian show  "Balzak's ages..." where it was OLGA who first used that definition to females' characters described in that show.
 

In topic "PBS: Moscow's Sex and the City" I wrote my opinion about the Russian show and personages of this show - if Russian women who  are suffering from loneliness begin to blame all men I think such women are narrow - minded.

If you, guys, meet such lonely woman who says that all men are bastards in Russia I think you should leave this woman alone because  probably you will be a next American bastard in her life.

Olga
 

[I/O]

Seems to be a lot of "Bastards" being born into this thread......has marriage gone out of fashion? 

I/O

[LEGAL]

I think that LEGAL and Olga  play NOT FAIR game taking my post out off context of dicussion about Russian show 

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=3899.0

In topic about the Russian show I have written my opinion about show and personages of this show. Elen, you have written your opinion about 99% of RW who are seeking a husband abroad.

Who was out of context of topic about the Russian show?

[Elen]

I gave a link to that thread No need for you to retell here what discussion was about Let everybody who wishes to find out what all fuzz about go there and read all by themselves ( if they wish to do that of course)

[LEGAL]

Olga, I must admit my enthusiasm has dropped after joining this forum. 

Dear Funkola,

Do not drop your enthusiasm. Steady!
I know the Russian woman who are  not typical Russian women for some members of RWD but they are typical Russian women for me. The Russian women who I know have a nice job, they are intelligent and wonderful persons, they will not to seek for rich men to get a happy life, they will not have fast sex with men in their car  changing men every time to find the best men, they will not have a relationship with  swindlers, crazy showmen, prisoners and  boss for career because these women are not narrow - minded women   , they do not think that all men are bastards  , these women have not  a man who is near their heart right now but they are not suffering from a loneliness because they have  interesting life and wonderful friends and these women try to find a part of their heart and they do it   carefully and seriously. I know there are many such women in FSU because I have such friends.
Only God knows where a part of your heart is and where you can find your love.
Fukola, if you want to find your wonderful women you will find her even  at the back of beyond 

Olga.

[Mir]

Olga

I am sure all you say is true but tell one thing.
An intelligent woman who has a wonderful job where is appreciated. She has good prospects of promotion based on her ability and hard work.Once she finishes work she is surrounded by a lovely family and wonderful friends.
Why should such a woman even think of leaving all the above and move to a totally alien country to start a new life with a man who does not even speak her language and is 20 year or older then her.
Why should she even consider placing an advert on a site which is in English and is subscribed by men is far off western countries.
No something does not add up,something is missing here......
Yes only god knows where we find our happiness but the truth is that we only find what we are looking for.

[Makkin]

Hello,

  It's Mermaid right? Not Mirmaid..(no offence/offense)..lol


  When did they become telepathic? Or when did I miss that part of the fairy-tale? Is it true you can swim with a Mermaid only if you promise her legs to stand on and a green card to lean on? Mermaids seem to have a lot in common with FSU women in regards to mystery,faith,love,and beauty?

Makkin

[LEGAL]

Why should such a woman even think of leaving all the above and move to a totally alien country to start a new life with a man who does not even speak her language

I moved with my LEGAL to his country because I have understood that it would be too difficult for my LEGAL to work in my country not speaking my language so well.  But in the future we have some plan  Mir, not all women  are going to move "to a totally alien country"

Olga

[LEGAL]

Makkin,

I don't know what type of woman your prefer...

"We are what we think.  With our thoughts, we make our world.”
(Hindu Prince Gautama Siddharta)

Olga